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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:49 PM

 

How Law Enforcement and Media Covered Up the Plan to Burn Christopher Dorner Alive

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by Max Blumenthal


At approximately 7 PM ET, I listened through a police scanner as San Bernadino Sheriffs gave the order to burn down the cabin where suspected murderer Christopher Dorner was allegedly hiding. Deputies were maneuvering a remote controlled demolition vehicle to the base of the cabin, using it to tear down the walls of the cabin where Dorner was hiding, and peering inside.

In an initial dispatch, a deputy reported seeing “blood spatter” inside the cabins. Dorner, who had just engaged in a firefight with deputies that killed one officer and wounded another, may have been wounded in the exchange. There was no sign of his presence, let alone his resistance, according to police dispatches.

It was then that the deputies decided to burn the cabin down.

“We’re gonna go ahead with the plan with the burner,” one sheriff’s deputy told another. “Like we talked about.” Minutes later, another deputy’s voice crackled across the radio: “The burner’s deployed and we have a fire.”


Article continues here: http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive?paging=off

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Reply How Law Enforcement and Media Covered Up the Plan to Burn Christopher Dorner Alive (Original post)
Gentle-man Feb 2013 OP
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #1
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #40
Historic NY Feb 2013 #2
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #16
Light House Feb 2013 #23
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #25
Light House Feb 2013 #26
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #29
Light House Feb 2013 #31
Th1onein Feb 2013 #57
DevonRex Feb 2013 #33
dkf Feb 2013 #58
Historic NY Feb 2013 #60
heaven05 Feb 2013 #36
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #45
Th1onein Feb 2013 #55
Sekhmets Daughter Feb 2013 #3
dbackjon Feb 2013 #4
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #12
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #5
Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #7
robinlynne Feb 2013 #8
brooklynite Feb 2013 #10
robinlynne Feb 2013 #49
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #44
robinlynne Feb 2013 #50
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #52
robinlynne Feb 2013 #53
heaven05 Feb 2013 #38
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #48
zeemike Feb 2013 #46
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #51
jmg257 Feb 2013 #6
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #9
Light House Feb 2013 #11
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #13
Light House Feb 2013 #17
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #24
Light House Feb 2013 #30
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #32
Light House Feb 2013 #34
Gentle-man Feb 2013 #14
Light House Feb 2013 #19
Gentle-man Feb 2013 #20
Light House Feb 2013 #22
Luminous Animal Feb 2013 #27
Light House Feb 2013 #37
heaven05 Feb 2013 #42
Light House Feb 2013 #47
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heaven05 Feb 2013 #39
Light House Feb 2013 #41
msongs Feb 2013 #15
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #18
robinlynne Feb 2013 #54
mythology Feb 2013 #21
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #28
liberalmuse Feb 2013 #43
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #59
Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #35
jsr Feb 2013 #56
ReRe Feb 2013 #61
Son of Gob Feb 2013 #62

Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:50 PM

1. Waco 2013

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:09 PM

40. Symbionese Liberation Army killed by burning by the LAPD in 1974. nm

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:54 PM

2. Burner = hot tear gas canister....

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:14 PM

16. Then why did they impede the fire department from quenching the fire?

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:29 PM

23. They won't let them come up until they're sure

 

that the scene is safe. That's standard operating procedure.

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Response to Light House (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:31 PM

25. And by "safe", you mean a dead suspect? Because a live suspect wouldn't be safe.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:32 PM

26. Not necessarily dead,

 

but no longer a threat.

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Response to Light House (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:39 PM

29. Please remember that PD had been shooting to kill from the very beginning. 64 bullets unloaded

 

upon two women who to this moment do not resemble one 280 pound black man. Then two more shoot-outs without even ID'ing the suspect. A $1,000,000 bounty (but only for capture, meaning they were trolling for location and never intended to pay because they meant to kill). Seven incendiary devices upon a small wooden cabin...they meant to kill him by bullet or by fire.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:47 PM

31. But remember,

 

this wasn't an LAPD op, it was a San Bernardino Sheriff's Dept. op with U.S. Marshals Service and FBI input.
It MAY be as you say, we just don't know at this point and I'll wait for the official investigation to conclude before I render judgement.

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Response to Light House (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:22 PM

57. Yeah, let's wait for the "official" investigation, because that's ALWAYS the truth, right?

Geezus, come on, you can do better than that.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:56 PM

33. Because he had lots of ammunition. Fire + ammunition = bad.

Firemen cannot go in until it is safe - pretty much until the house has burned down. Google it.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:22 PM

58. Because fire fighters don't wear bullet proof vests.

 

They can't go in to save a guy who can shoot at them or become hostages.

And if he isn't alive then what's the point?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:23 PM

60. Yeah ok, at an active shooter situation...

I can just hear the firemans responce.....GFYS.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:02 PM

36. 10-4

on the hot tear gas canister.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:12 PM

45. I doubt they meant tear gas when they said burner. nm

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 PM

55. The article says that it is THERMITE -- an INCENDIARY DEVICE

THERMITE. Like they used at Waco.

He never shot at them, and they chose to burn him, dead or alive. They are no better than him--murderers.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:55 PM

3. Meanwhile the

Sheriff is saying they did NOT burn the cabin intentionally. Amazing.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:55 PM

4. False. And you are smart enough to know that.

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Response to dbackjon (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:09 PM

12. I didn't have the scanner channel up during the execution, but I did see several Twitter

 

channels quoting the "burn plan" and other chatter as they heard it. Those who recorded the channel have posted audio confirming this directly. Law enforcement did indeed tell all media to shut down and even to stop tweeting. Those tweets have subsequently been deleted, but screenshots and chatter as it happened were very clear.

The city of Oakland told media the same thing and they shut off feeds moments before cops attacked Occupy Oakland, nearly killing Veteran Scott Olsen in the process. Oakland then LIED about what had happened, blaming Occupiers throwing M-80s at police, for what was really police flash-bangs thrown at protesters. And more. Police and mayors LIE to cover up their BULLSHIT.

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:57 PM

5. What's the purpose behind your post? What's the point? nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:00 PM

7. Linking a story from a reputable source and reporter.

Max Blumenthal is no conspiracy theorist.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:01 PM

8. You dont find it significant that a person on the scene wrote wqhat he saw, and that is what he saw?

This is the first account I have seen from anyone who was actually there. So far I have seen specualtion. this man signed his name behind what he wrote, and was present. purpose? point? to find out the truth.
and then to understand it.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:04 PM

10. On the scene?

He was listening to radio broadcasts. Maybe he heard clearly, maybe he didn't. Maybe the people he heard knew what was going on, maybe they didn't.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:14 PM

49. He was listening to radios on the scene, with the police.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:10 PM

44. I find it more significant that there has been a ton of stuff reported on this story....

....by the MSM, as well as the local networks, and much of it has been just flat-out wrong and/or highly speculative.

I'm personally not surprised by the the "two wallet" story, but I don't think there's anything sinister about it if you look closely at the facts contained in the timeline:

* On Thursday, 2/7/2013, a shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to the San Diego police.

* On Tuesday, 2/12/2013, a wallet with a California driver's license bearing the name Christopher Dorner was found.

LEOs usually carry two different sets of identification in two different wallets, one that identifies them as an LEO such as that found on 2/7/2013, and a personal wallet like that found on 2/12/2013, that contains a drivers license and other personal items like credit cards, proof of insurance, photos, etc.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:15 PM

50. As several posters pointed out, Dorner had no LAPD badge.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #50)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:17 PM

52. And they know this how, exactly? Did they read it on the Internet? nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #52)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:18 PM

53. Dorner was fired in 2009.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:04 PM

38. seems obvious

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:13 PM

48. See my post #44. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:12 PM

46. I guess it is a sigh of the times that you ask that question.

As if the police taking the law in their own hands is something that is no big deal...happens all the time I am sure.
And that it is pointless to talk about it...and the sad thing is you might be right.
We have morphed into a meaner violent nation.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:16 PM

51. Wow. Read my post #44. nt.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:59 PM

6. Link to this exchange/audio here...

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:03 PM

9. Man says there is corruption in LAPD. sheriffs burn him alive and attempt to cover it up.

 

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:08 PM

11. You do know that the term "burner" refers to a type of tear gas, don't you?

 

It's slang for the pyro tear gas because it burns the mucous membrane, the eyes and the nose.
When those types of cannister's ignite, it can start a fire, especially in a wooden cabin.
Really doesn't matter, Dorner had no intention of being taken alive and he CHOSE the course of action taken against him.
He could have surrendered at any time during his week on the run or during his final stand at the cabin, but he CHOSE to die and he CHOSE badly.
While I won't cheer or dance because he's dead, I will cheer and dance because this monster is no longer a threat to society.

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Response to Light House (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:11 PM

13. They emit flames, don't they.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:14 PM

17. Yes they do,

 

that's why those shouldn't have been used in a wooden cabin.

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Response to Light House (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:29 PM

24. Would using seven of them on a small, wooden cabin constitute extreme negligence

 

or even murderous intent?

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:43 PM

30. Possibly.

 

I can't say for sure, I wasn't there, but my experience tells me that they didn't really care for the welfare of the suspect.
I can kind of understand their mindset, he had just shot and killed a Sheriff's Deputy and severely wounded another one and was still exchanging gunfire with them.

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Response to Light House (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:54 PM

32. It is still an execution.

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:58 PM

34. I disagree respectfully.

 

Dorner had every chance to surrender during his week on the run and during his final stand at the cabin, yet he CHOSE to go out in a, pardon the pun, blaze of glory and he was determined to take as many with him as possible.

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Response to Light House (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:13 PM

14. You do know that there's audio of cops yelling "burn this motherf*cker", right?

 

Well, you do know. Now you do.

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Response to Gentle-man (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:18 PM

19. Yes I do know.

 

And I can tell you from experience that they MIGHT have meant to deploy the burners, as in, burn the MF.
I don't know what they meant, I wasn't there and neither were any of us.
Those type of cannister's shouldn't have been used in a wooden cabin because of the potential for starting a fire.
I have no idea of what there thinking was when they deployed the tear gas.

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Response to Light House (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:22 PM

20. lol, so creative

 

it's almost funny.

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Response to Gentle-man (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:25 PM

22. Were you there?

 

I just put forth a possible scenario, that's all, I didn't say that's what happened. I just went by my experience, nothing more.
Please don't be rude.

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Response to Light House (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:34 PM

27. “Burn that fucking house down!”

“Burn that fucking house down!” shouted a deputy through a scanner transmission inadvertently broadcast on the Los Angeles local news channel, KCAL 9. “Fucking burn this motherfucker!” another cop could be heard exclaiming.

While live ammo exploded inside the cabin, the deputies pondered whether the basement would burn as well – they wanted to know if its ceiling was made of wood or concrete. They assumed Dorner was hiding there, and apparently wanted to ensure that he would be burned to a crisp. “Because the fire is contained, I’m gonna let that heat burn through the basement,” a deputy declared.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-law-enforcement-and-media-covered-plan-burn-christopher-dorner-alive?page=0%2C0

The cops, like Dorner, committed murder.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:03 PM

37. We'll just have to disagree.

 

Dorner had no intention of surrendering, he was still firing on the police and was determined to take as many with him as possible, he CHOSE the course of action, he CHOSE to not surrender, and he CHOSE badly.

I guess we'll just have to wait for the official investigation to conclude.

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Response to Light House (Reply #37)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:09 PM

42. yeah

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,. Poooooof!!!!!

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:13 PM

47. Not quite understanding your post.

 

Are you making fun of me or am I reading this wrong?
If I'm reading this wrong, I apologize.

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Response to Light House (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:07 PM

39. I

have seen only corrupt officials as the monsters. NO ONE ELSE.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:09 PM

41. I agree.

 

There are corrupt officials that are monsters also, and Dorner, while not an official, was a monster for the murders he committed.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:13 PM

15. so is the owner of the cabin going to get a new one at sheriffs' expense? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:16 PM

18. Absolutely! Of course!

 

(Now we laugh together so hard we have to lean against each other to hold each other up)

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Response to msongs (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 PM

54. I would imagine so.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:25 PM

21. If one takes a poor strategic view I suppose they could come up with this

Once the other person has committed himself, ie killing an additional leo and trying to take refuge inside, the smart play is to lay siege. As for a plan to burn him alive, what of Dorner's responsibility? He could have surrendered. Or is the author silly enough to think the police would have taken him back inside, tied Dorner up and then lit him on fire? Other wise, there was no conspiracy.

As for why they would commit to making sure he couldn't escape, he's killed 4 people. Letting him escape would be utterly incompetent. And once they've committed to the burn the building plan (which is pretty standard in sieges), they don't want to have Dorner find a hiding place and lay in ambush once the cops let their guard down because they assumed he was dead.

But again, all of this is on Dorner. He made the choice to kill 4 people, he made the choice to try to make a last stand in a enclosure he couldn't hope to defend, and he made the choice to not surrender when the situation was obviously hopeless.

As for the media conspiring, why would you want the media putting information available as to your specific tactical variations? The broad sweep will already be known, but details matter. It's why journalists imbedded with the military don't publish classified material or exact locations. You never want to give the opponent any potential information advantage. That's not conspiracy to commit murder.

And then the author engages in a bunch of speculation about the potential strength of the incendiary devices used by the police, trying to link it to other things like C4 and to the Waco issue. But those were separate law enforcement agencies and different circumstances. At best Waco illustrates why you shouldn't let one of these situations linger.

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Response to mythology (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:35 PM

28. Media are beholden to the people, not the state. And how odd you choose to overlook

 

our legal system's due process aspect, of innocence until proven guilty. Dashing backwards two thousand years to "an eye for an eye". All we have are cop's word on all of this, and cops LIE. I'll need hard evidence such as clear video before I believe PD on this.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:10 PM

43. Thank you.

What Dorner did was horrific, but it still doesn't excuse the actions of the police and media. And the police still aren't telling the truth in their press conferences.

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:22 PM

59. +100 nt

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:58 PM

35. The "State" always resorts to violence.

Read "A Time to Die" by Tom Wicker about the Attica prison revolt as an example. It doesn't matter whether you are guilty or not.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:20 PM

56. Recommend

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:23 PM

61. Scanners are allot of fun...

...used to have one. It's like eavesdropping. Fun because you try to figure out what the different number codes refer to. It's like working a crossword puzzle in your mind. I loaned it out to someone and never got it back. With the way the country is going south, am seriously thinking about getting another one.

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Response to Gentle-man (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:24 PM

62. Locking.

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