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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:15 PM

Christopher Dorner's Criticisms Were Valid, Ex-Cops Say - USNews

Christopher Dorner's Criticisms Were Valid, Ex-Cops Say
Former law enforcement officials understand Dorner's manifesto, but condemn his action

By SETH CLINE - USNews
February 13, 2013

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The manhunt for Christopher Dorner caught the attention of the nation, but for some, the contents of Dorner's manifesto may be what people remember about the tragedy for years to come. Several supporters, many of them former minority law enforcement themselves, have backed the claims Dorner made in his lengthy screed. In the manifesto, Dorner focused on the racism and corruption he witnessed in the Los Angeles Police Department he would go on to terrorize.

Another former African-American LAPD officer, Joe Jones, released his own Facebook manifesto Monday, LA Weekly reports. After detailing racism and threats directed his way by fellow officers, Jones makes a point to stand up for Dorner's claims:

"I present (the above claims) not to be a Whistleblower, However to hope that one would not assume that all of what is being said is Lies as presented by Dorner. I don't know him, But I know me. I will say from my experience, if a person knows they were wrong it is easier to move on without anger. Seems that Dorner obviously could not move on..."


Dorner's own 18-page manifesto described personal attacks on his race, institutional racism and sexism within the LAPD, as well as officers using excessive force on citizens.

Ephraim Cruz, a former border patrol agent who eventually become a whistleblower about police corruption, says the problems Dorner highlighted are not limited to the LAPD. "Christopher Dorner's is an experience I totally understand and sympathize with," Cruz told U.S. News. "He became defiant because the situation got out of his control. That's what we have in common. He reported malfeasance." Like Dorner, Cruz says he tried to notify superiors of fellow agents' abuse of detainees at the border, only to be rebuffed.

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Reply Christopher Dorner's Criticisms Were Valid, Ex-Cops Say - USNews (Original post)
WillyT Feb 2013 OP
Dpm12 Feb 2013 #1
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #8
robinlynne Feb 2013 #13
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #14
malaise Feb 2013 #2
WillyT Feb 2013 #3
malaise Feb 2013 #4
WillyT Feb 2013 #5
AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #6
WillyT Feb 2013 #7
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #9
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #10
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #11
pacalo Feb 2013 #12
ReRe Feb 2013 #15
fascisthunter Feb 2013 #16
WillyT Feb 2013 #18
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #21
heaven05 Feb 2013 #17
WillyT Feb 2013 #19
WillyT Feb 2013 #20
randome Feb 2013 #22
WillyT Feb 2013 #23
randome Feb 2013 #24

Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:16 PM

1. So, did they

find his body?

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:14 PM

8. IIRC, they found a body.

Of course, it was extra crispy, so we won't know if it's Dorner until the results come back from the DNA lab.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:56 PM

13. has their been an official statement about a body yet?

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:58 PM

14. None that I'm aware of.

I'm not in the conspiracy crowd, so my bet is that the body probably is Dorner.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:16 PM

2. I have no doubt but did he have to kill those people

One has a six year old daughter and a four month old son.

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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:37 PM

3. I'm NOT Defending His Actions... I'm Just Posting This Story...

If he really wanted to explain himself, and have his grievances heard...

And... if he had a stable mind...

He would have turned himself in, had a deposition, and a trial.

He chose a violent path... that took away his credibility.

The fact that other ex-cops understand his complaint... says VOLUMES.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:38 PM

4. I know WillyT

Just a rhetorical question

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:40 PM

5. Thank You !!!




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Response to WillyT (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:52 PM

6. I, too, am not defending his actions. But it does seem that the police brass did not make any effort

 

to ask him to turn himself in while even pretending to guarantee his safety.

Such lack of effort on the part of what could be expected on behalf of a professional police department overseen by professionals, as well as the lack of effort to lay siege to the cabin, also speaks volumes.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:09 PM

7. Well... They Said It On TV... But, Supposedly, The Power Had Already Been Cut Off...

No power, no TV...


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Response to malaise (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:15 PM

9. Obviously, the murder-spree was beyond unacceptable.

That shouldn't let LAPD off the hook.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:16 PM

10. BINGO

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:19 PM

11. It's beyond time to start looking at policing

In the US.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:36 PM

12. I read his entire manifesto & I never doubted his truthfulness

but he lost his moral high ground when he threatened to & carried out murder to draw attention to his grievances. I believe the LAPD's inequitable ways of conducting its affairs drove him off the edge & does own part of the responsibility for this tragedy.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:30 PM

15. K&R

Thanks for posting the article, WillyT.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:52 PM

16. the Truth can be very uncomfortable no matter what

as I get older I see more grey than black and white.

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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:05 PM

18. Me Too...




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Response to fascisthunter (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:16 PM

21. Is there any black and white?

Ok, there are a few cases involving genocide, they are the closest to black and white.

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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:53 PM

17. great post

yet with the holier than thous, won't mean anything. Valid criticisms or not by Officer Dorner.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:14 PM

19. Thank You... And Yeah...




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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:15 PM

20. Kick !!!


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Response to WillyT (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:22 PM

22. I didn't read his manifesto. I generally pay little attention to the ramblings of the insane.

But as for the 'excessive force' implication: why does it need to be repeated that he waited 2 weeks to make his allegations and they were made the day AFTER his partner asked for him to be reassigned.

The timing, to use a common CT phrase, 'is suspicious'. All indications are that his 'allegations' were merely a means to retaliate against his partner's wish to be rid of him, which eventually led to his firing from the LAPD.

He certainly did himself -and the hope of reforming the LAPD- no favors by his behavior.

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Response to randome (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:25 PM

23. So... The Fact That Other Ex-Cops Understood What He Was Saying Is ???

I didn't get the feeling they were supporting him...

But apparently they were identifying with him.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:28 PM

24. Human nature is to discount the shouted ramblings of an insane person.

And Dorner definitely found a way to 'shout' at the world. There is no doubt -simply based on what other DUers have said- that the LAPD needs to be reformed.

For those who do not have the benefit of the information we have, Dorner actually hurt his 'cause'.

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