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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:44 PM

I drank fracking fluid, says Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper went to unusually great lengths to learn firsthand the strides the oil and gas industry has made to minimize environmental harm from fracking.

The first-term Democrat and former Denver mayor told a Senate committee on Tuesday that he actually drank a glass of fracking fluid produced by oilfield services giant Halliburton.

The fluid is made entirely “of ingredients sourced from the food industry,” the company says, making it safe for Mr. Hickenlooper and others to imbibe.

“You can drink it. We did drink it around the table, almost rituallike, in a funny way,” he told the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources. “It was a demonstration. … they’ve invested millions of dollars in what is a benign fluid in every sense

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/feb/12/colorado-gov-hickenlooper-i-drank-fracking-fluid/#.URqUq39uhQo.twitter


Ritual-like, sorta like communion? I am reminded that DDT was "so safe you could eat it."

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Reply I drank fracking fluid, says Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (Original post)
LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 OP
dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #1
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #20
gateley Feb 2013 #2
Bennyboy Feb 2013 #3
Glassunion Feb 2013 #4
LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #9
octoberlib Feb 2013 #17
MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #35
Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #37
denverbill Feb 2013 #5
Paladin Feb 2013 #32
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #6
ret5hd Feb 2013 #26
joeybee12 Feb 2013 #7
joshcryer Feb 2013 #8
LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #11
joshcryer Feb 2013 #12
panzerfaust Feb 2013 #10
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #16
LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #21
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #22
joshcryer Feb 2013 #23
Downwinder Feb 2013 #13
forestpath Feb 2013 #14
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #15
indie9197 Feb 2013 #18
Fumesucker Feb 2013 #19
LiberalAndProud Feb 2013 #24
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #25
Johonny Feb 2013 #27
maryland native Feb 2013 #28
kentauros Feb 2013 #29
Omaha Steve Feb 2013 #30
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #31
Lint Head Feb 2013 #33
Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #34
politicat Feb 2013 #36
Hard Assets Feb 2013 #41
Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #38
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #39
Hard Assets Feb 2013 #40

Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:46 PM

1. Now try drinking it after its been used.

and gone into the water table.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:01 PM

20. That's one of the issues.

It's one thing if you're talking about a fracking fluid that's freshly made and clean - depending on the fluid, you very well might be able to drink it.

But what's in that fluid after it's been pumped out of the ground? Heavy metals? Carcinogens? Other toxins? That's why people don't like fracking.

Also, which fracking fluid? There's endless formulations - some of which are edible, some of which aren't.

Then, there's the issues with natural gas or oil seeping into the water table (which leads to poisoned water supplies, sinks you can light on fire.)

Then there's the pollution from all the drilling and pumping equipment - diesel engines running 24/7, spills... Case in point: http://www.9news.com/news/article/316565/222/Workers-stop-fracking-fluid-leak-after-30-hours

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:46 PM

2. I hope he pukes for a month.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:47 PM

3. Same story, different lie...

 

I remember Jerry Brown doing the same thing with malathion when spraying... Brown did it in public however....

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:49 PM

4. Is this him?

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:04 PM

9. That must be somebody who shared his cup.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:14 PM

17. LOL! nt

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:09 PM

35. Nah... that's just normal Colon Blow!

Wait a while.... He should continue drinking it... But, if anything really happens, his doctor WON'T be able to publicly call our attention to it...

No-No-No-No!

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:23 PM

37. But see? He's SMILING!

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:52 PM

5. That explains the beer I used by get at the Wynkoop.

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Response to denverbill (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:35 PM

32. My Thoughts, Exactly.... (nt)

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:54 PM

6. According to legend, a guy who developed and sold aviation hydraulic fluid (skydrol)

Would actually drink a glass of it while pitching it to airline boardrooms to prove its non-toxicity...

(previous generations of hydraulic fluid were very dangerous and potentially fatal for aviation maintenence crews)

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:53 PM

26. skydrol will burn your skin off.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:58 PM

7. Would that be called a bait and switch...the damage from fracking is not

whether the water is toxic, but that it is being used in this method and then stored underground.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:03 PM

8. Fracking fluid can be almost any fluid.

They put waste into the ground.

If they really were putting ingestible shit into the ground they would, you know, allow for disclosure. But because they're using toxic waste (as a side business, gotta put it somewhere), they do not want to allow disclosure.

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:12 PM

11. Oh, joshcryer, stop being such an alarmist.

They wouldn't frack if it were actually toxic.
/sarcasm


“If we were overzealous in forcing them to disclose what they had created, they wouldn’t bring it into our state,” he said.


Environmentalists will find very few political allies in this, I'm afraid.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:02 PM

12. That's perfect logic, btw.

"It's purely ingestible stuff. Not poisonous at all. But we won't make them disclose and have periodic random testing, because, yaknow, they wouldn't bring it into our state if it was poisonous."

Just brilliant logic, really, I'm astounded.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:12 PM

10. The guy who invented leaded gasoline washed his hands in TEL at a press conference

 

and deliberately inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds in order to show how safe it was. He said he could do this every day for a year without ill effects.

Shortly thereafter, he then vanished for a year whilst he was treated for lead-poisoning (the second time he had been so treated).

Interestingly, he - Thomas Midgley - also invented the first chlorofluorocarbon, Freon.

This single person may well be responsible for more deaths and environmental destruction than all the wars of the twentieth century: death and destruction which continues to this day.

Look him up.

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Response to panzerfaust (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:14 PM

16. I read that in Bill Bryson's "A Short History Of Nearly Everything".

That's exactly what this reminded me of.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:12 PM

21. Now I want to read it.

I scanned Midgley's bio on wiki. His death was ironic if not karmic.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:17 PM

22. It's one of my favorite books of the last decade--he covers Midgley in a really interesting way.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:18 PM

23. Great book! :)

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:04 PM

13. If it was the acid frack we used to put down

he will never have to worry about colon problems. He won't have one.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:08 PM

14. I bet he wouldn't let his kids (or grandkids) drink it.

 

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:12 PM

15. Oh, Hick...why? Come on, man!

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:50 PM

18. Every location has a different fracking liquid "formula"

but many of them contain a biocide to kill or prevent bacteria growth. Here is the MSDS of one of the two common biocides:

http://www.closedsystemlabs.com/Pdf%27s/MSDS%20-%20Quaternary%20Ammonium%20Chloride.pdf

Usually used in concentrations of one or two gallons per 1000 gallons fracking fluid

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:51 PM

19. The jokes, as they say, write themselves n/t

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:47 PM

24. I wonder if he'd be interested in a bottle from this well.

http://www.9news.com/news/article/316565/222/Workers-stop-fracking-fluid-leak-after-30-hours

WINDSOR - Oil-laden fracking fluid gushed from an oil well near Fort Collins for nearly 30 hours before it was stopped Tuesday afternoon.

A hydraulic failure around 9:30 a.m. Monday caused a piece of equipment to fall onto a valve and break it at the drilling site 4 miles east of Fort Collins. A horizontal stream of green-tinted fluid flowed from the valve for nearly a day and half before crews gained control of it.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:50 PM

25. On purpose?....

Reminds me of one of my favorite lines from Clerks

"My girlfriend sucked 37 @#cks!...." " In a row?..."

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:55 PM

27. I breath in carbon dioxide all the time so what is the big deal about climate change

says the person purposely misleading the conversation...

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:57 PM

28. He did NOT drink Fracking fluid

He drank the petroleum industry's Kool Aid...

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:14 PM

29. I believe it was MiddleFingerMom that shared this quote:

"All mushrooms are edible at least once."

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:26 PM

30. HAZARDOUS placard for fracking fluid photo



http://www.marcellus-shale.us/fracking.htm

Who wants to drink this?


Hydrochloric Acid
Hazmat placard 1789


What some of the "one-half of one percent"
actually looks like


SOME OF THE CHEMICALS USED
Source of chemical list: FracFocus
Chemical descriptions: Multiple sources
TRADE NAME PURPOSE INGREDIENTS CHEMICAL ABSTRACT NUMBER (CAS #)
Acid, Hydrochloric 15% Acid Hydrochloric Acid 7647-01-0


Concentrated hydrochloric acid (fuming hydrochloric acid) forms acidic mists. Both the mist and the solution have a corrosive effect on human tissue, with the potential to damage respiratory organs, eyes, skin, and intestines.
WIC-641L Iron Control Agent Citric Acid 77-92-9
WAI-251LC Corrosion Inhibitor Ethylene Glycol 107-21-1


Ethylene glycol has been shown to be toxic to humans and is also toxic to domestic pets such as cats and dogs. Ethylene glycol is a toxic, colorless, odorless, almost nonvolatile liquid with a sweet taste and is occasionally consumed by children and dogs for its sweetness. Following ingestion the symptoms of poisoning follow a 3 step progression starting with intoxication and vomiting, before causing metabolic acidosis, cardiovascular dysfunction, and finally acute kidney failure.
Dimethyl Formamide 68-12-2


Dimethylformamide (DMF) has been linked to cancer in humans, and it is thought to cause birth defects. In some sectors of industry women are banned from working with DMF.
*Proprietary* *N/A*
Decanol 112-30-1


Decanol causes a high irritability to skin and eyes, when splashed into the eyes it can cause permanent damage. Inhalation and ingestion can be harmful; it is harmful in the environment.
Isopropanol (Isopropyl Alcohol, Propan-2-ol) 67-63-0
Octanol 111-87-5
2-Butoxyethanol (Ethylene Glycol Monobutyl Ether) 111-76-2


Moderate respiratory exposure to 2-butoxyethanol often results in irritation of mucous membranes of the eyes, nose and throat. Heavy exposure via respiratory, dermal or oral routes can lead to hypotension, metabolic acidosis, hemolysis, pulmonary edema and coma. Acute exposure to high levels of the glycol ethers in humans results in narcosis, pulmonary edema, and severe liver and kidney damage. Chronic exposure to the glycol ethers in humans results in fatigue, lethargy, nausea, anorexia, tremor, and anemia. 2-Butoxyethanol has come under scrutiny in Canada.
EC6110A Anti-Bacterial Agent Glutaraldehyde 111-30-8


The following health effects have been reported in hospital workers exposed to glutaraldehyde: Throat and lung irritation; Asthma, asthma-like symptoms, and breathing difficulty; Nose irritation, sneezing, and wheezing; Nosebleed; Burning eyes and conjunctivitis; Rash-contact and/or allergic dermatitis; Staining of the hands (brownish or tan); Hives; Headaches and Nausea.
Quaternary Ammonium Compounds N/A


Quaternary ammonium compounds can display a range of health effects, amongst which are mild skin and respiratory irritation up to severe caustic burns on skin and gastro-intestinal lining (depending on concentration), gastro-intestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea and vomiting), coma, convulsions, hypotension and death.
Ethanol 64-17-5
EC6629 Scale Inhibitor *No hazardous components* *None*
WFR-61LA Friction Reducer Petroleum Distillate Hydrotreated Light 64742-47-8


Distillates (Petroleum), Hydrotreated Light can cause dizziness, headache, drowsiness, nausea, unconsciousness from inhalation; and cough, diarrhea, sore throat, and vomiting from ingestion. Swallowing the liquid may cause aspiration into the lungs with the risk of chemical pneumonitis. NIOSH states that it is harmful to aquatic organisms. The substance may cause effects on the central nervous system.
Sodium Chloride 7647-14-5
Alcohols ethoxylated
C12-16 68551-12-2
Quarternary Ammonium Chloride 12125-02-9


Quaternary ammonium compounds can display a range of health effects, amongst which are mild skin and respiratory irritation up to severe caustic burns on skin and gastro-intestinal lining (depending on concentration), gastro-intestinal symptoms (e.g., nausea and vomiting), coma, convulsions, hypotension and death.
WGA-15L Gelling Agent Petroleum Distillate Hydrotreated Light 64742-47-8


Distillates (Petroleum), Hydrotreated Light can cause dizziness, headache, drowsiness, nausea, unconsciousness from inhalation; and cough, diarrhea, sore throat, and vomiting from ingestion. Swallowing the liquid may cause aspiration into the lungs with the risk of chemical pneumonitis. NIOSH states that it is harmful to aquatic organisms. The substance may cause effects on the central nervous system.
*Proprietary* Polymer *N/A*
WBK-134 Breaker Ammonium Persulfate 7727-54-0


Ammonium Persulfate airborne dust may be irritating to eyes, nose, lungs, throat and skin upon contact. Exposure to high levels of dust may cause difficulty in breathing in sensitive persons. This product has moderate oral toxicity and sensitive persons may develop dermatitis and asthma.

Chemicals in Natural Gas Operations


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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:30 PM

31. Hmmm. Interesting argument here.

So, if I aim a fire hose at his house and blow his windows out, can I argue that "it was just water!" as my defense?

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:56 PM

33. Light up a spigot and then stick your mouth on it idiot.

You'll develop a taste for fire water.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:05 PM

34. A) Gross B) Not The Point n/t

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:16 PM

36. Who is our lite gov again?

Because dude, Hick, are you trying to give him a title bump?

Other things "sourced from the food industry" that can kill:

Lye (used in pretzels, tripe, meat processing)
Lime (used in corn processing)
Ricin (byproduct of castor oil production, deadliest poison known)
Cyanide (hello, almonds)

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Response to politicat (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:01 PM

41. Joe Garcia

 

He's currently being considered for Secretary of Labor by Obama. I'm not sure what's going on there...

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 03:34 PM

38. The comic routines of politicians save them from being completely useless.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:51 PM

39. Well. I guess that explains the brain damage then.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:58 PM

40. That's why I'm ready to primary his ass out.

 

Hickenlooper does not belong on the Governor's seat.

We can find someone better. Only because he owned a beer distillery (Wynkoop Brewery) made him a popular guy around the state.

If he finds the fracking fluid safe to drink, the I challenge him to put it on his distillery and see what happens.

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