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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:39 PM

About that cruise ship with the clogged up plumbing, I know they aren't supposed to

dump their sewage in the ocean, but in this case, it seems like it would be okay in an emergency. I mean at least it's organic not like the crude oil BP spilled in the Gulf. I know it would be hard to pump sea water through those systems because of the lack of electricity, but at least they could deal with the waste. I don't know what maritime authority could make the exception, but this is really pitiful for those poor people.

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Reply About that cruise ship with the clogged up plumbing, I know they aren't supposed to (Original post)
Cleita Feb 2013 OP
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #1
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #25
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #2
gateley Feb 2013 #7
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #14
gateley Feb 2013 #15
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #16
gateley Feb 2013 #19
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #60
gateley Feb 2013 #72
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #74
gateley Feb 2013 #75
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #76
actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #31
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #34
Cleita Feb 2013 #47
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #63
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #33
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #59
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #71
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #73
Horse with no Name Feb 2013 #78
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #79
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #61
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #62
Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #3
cbayer Feb 2013 #4
Cleita Feb 2013 #10
cbayer Feb 2013 #11
Cleita Feb 2013 #12
cbayer Feb 2013 #13
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #37
dipsydoodle Feb 2013 #5
malaise Feb 2013 #29
Ian David Feb 2013 #6
marions ghost Feb 2013 #8
malaise Feb 2013 #30
davidpdx Feb 2013 #57
malaise Feb 2013 #64
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #46
marions ghost Feb 2013 #48
TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #9
SummerSnow Feb 2013 #17
Cleita Feb 2013 #18
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #20
Cleita Feb 2013 #22
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #27
Cleita Feb 2013 #49
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #53
Cleita Feb 2013 #54
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #21
Cleita Feb 2013 #24
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #39
oldhippie Feb 2013 #77
malaise Feb 2013 #23
Cleita Feb 2013 #26
malaise Feb 2013 #28
mainstreetonce Feb 2013 #32
malaise Feb 2013 #35
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #44
Cleita Feb 2013 #38
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #40
Cleita Feb 2013 #45
elehhhhna Feb 2013 #66
Cleita Feb 2013 #68
lynne Feb 2013 #42
Sancho Feb 2013 #36
Cleita Feb 2013 #43
Incitatus Feb 2013 #69
Cleita Feb 2013 #70
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #58
RKP5637 Feb 2013 #41
Cleita Feb 2013 #50
truebluegreen Feb 2013 #51
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #52
Sancho Feb 2013 #55
Cleita Feb 2013 #56
Incitatus Feb 2013 #65
Cleita Feb 2013 #67

Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:41 PM

1. Yeah its a real shitty situation.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:15 PM

25. Argh, you're grounded. Go to your room. (nt)

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:43 PM

2. If it is so bad and I am sure it is why in the heck doesn't the US send a military

 

ship to get these people off that ship. After all it is our tax dollars that paid for those ships. Then I would bill the cruise line.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:48 PM

7. That's a good idea!

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Response to gateley (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:57 PM

14. I think so. Gee you would have thought someone would have said something about that

 

already. By the way did you try that soup yet? LOL

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:58 PM

15. Haha! Not yet! But I really really will!

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Response to gateley (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:00 PM

16. Ha, I know you will. I know your busy guy. Me on the other hand not so much.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:07 PM

19. I'm not a guy -- and I'm not busy!

Obviously, just lazy! .

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Response to gateley (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:56 PM

60. Oh I thought that was a picture of you. Your entitled to be lazy.

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #60)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:41 PM

72. I've got to change that avatar -- lots of people have asked

who 'she' is. It's Scott Olsen - the former Marine who was shot during an Occupy demonstration in Oakland. He really touched my heart. Here's a story:
http://action.fooddemocracynow.org/sign/support_I522_gmo_labeling/?akid=746.330905.Qrxz-q&rd=1&t=7

Plus, lots of people think I'm a guy becase of my username, but that's my real last name.

And don't know if I'm "entitled" to be lazy, but I am anyway!

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Response to gateley (Reply #72)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:45 PM

74. Well I thought the picture was a guy. Your right about Mr. Olsen, he is a hero.

 

Gateley. I would never have figured you for a woman. But am glad anyway so am I.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #74)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:49 PM

75. Probably because I'm as foulmouthed as a sailor -- thanks to Catholic Girls schools!



OR, there's always the fact that I don't know my way around a kitchen -- that, too.

And I know you are -- you're a delightful southern yankee belle!

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Response to gateley (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:13 PM

76. Well am a yankee living in the south since about 95. Are you young? Am an old lady of

 

65. I love to cook. I had a wonderful Italian mother who would say to me watch me cook, steal with your eyes. I use to hate it when she would say put a little of this or a little of that. I to cuss like a sailor. I really try to watch myself on here because sometimes people get bent out of shape. So I bite my tongue.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:22 PM

31. it is very dangerous to...

...do an open water ship to ship transfer, especially when the cruise ship has no power and is listing. The navy would be very reluctant to do this, as that would be a last resort, like if the ship was sinking.

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Response to actslikeacarrot (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:26 PM

34. Does the cruise ship have life boats? Maybe they could be put in them and the

 

military ships could help load the people on their boats. Something has to be done. People are getting ill.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:35 PM

47. They have what they call tenders. They are like buses that float in water all

enclosed and everything.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #47)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:07 PM

63. Oh that's interesting. Why can't some helicopters bring fresh food and water?

 

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:26 PM

33. I was wondering similar, or at least another one of their ships. It all seems inexcusable to me. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:55 PM

59. I would be pretty pissed if my vacation was ruined like that. You can say they

 

didn't know there were problems with these ships.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #59)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:41 PM

71. Yep! This is too major a problem to have been missed during preventive maintenance IMO. n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #71)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:43 PM

73. Really true. You know most people don't get lots of vacation time and take non pay

 

leave.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #78)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:17 PM

79. To me it seems like a major health crisis too. All of the bacterial diseases that could

develop. Ohhhhh, I feel so sorry for your friend's wife. It has to be just a living hell 7x24.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:58 PM

61. Is the ship even US registry?

Send the Panamanian navy (or whomever)

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:00 PM

62. Gee I didn't think of that. However, your right any ship should come to their aid right

 

away. Enough is enough. Let's face it if that ship had big wigs on it you would have already been brought back to shore.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:43 PM

3. Apparently some of the toilets are working again

 

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:44 PM

4. Actually they can dump it if they are at least 3 miles offshore, but

I suspect that the electrical problems they are having is preventing this as the pumps are most likely electric.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:49 PM

10. Yes, but wouldn't mass and gravity help that out? n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:52 PM

11. The sewage systems on boats generally require a pump of some sort.

They don't usually just have a direct outflow portal.

I'm not sure, but I would assume that if they could dump, they would have.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:54 PM

12. I don't know how large ships do it either. I do know for small boats or trailers

it's just a matter of gravity to dump the black water.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:57 PM

13. We can either dump from the toilet itself (directly overboard) or from the holding

tank (in the bilge). Both have manual pumps, though, but a lot of small boats have electrical ones.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

37. They usually blow it overboard using compressed air.

The tank is secured and pressurized with air. They then open the discharge valve and the tank empties to sea. I suspect that they can't fill the tanks due to an inability to run the vacuum pumps for the toilets and vacuum interface valves (used for sink/shower drains).

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:44 PM

5. Might in fact be easier now

if the passengers just dumped over the side : ladies port side - gentlemen starboard.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:20 PM

29. Too good

I say aim for downwind

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:46 PM

6. We could dump tons of gelatin around the ship, so when they dump sewage, it just sits on top. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:48 PM

8. They can dump sewage, garbage and dead bodies

I was on a large ship (not a cruise ship) that had a flu epidemic....9 deaths

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:21 PM

30. You will never see hubby or me on a cruise

not even if it was free.

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Response to malaise (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:46 PM

57. +1

After hearing the things that have happened the last few years I wouldn't go either. They should be called floating death traps.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #57)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:10 PM

64. I like crowds when we're in a position to walk away from them

Not me and a bunch of strangers for X days with no escape - then add the health and safety risks. I pass

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:34 PM

46. The aircraft carrier I deployed with(USS America CV-66) left MILES LONG trails of trash.

Sometimes the trail stretched to the horizon, which from the flight deck is somewhere around twelve miles.

We used to joke that it was one of the ways the Aviators found their way back to the ship.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #46)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:43 PM

48. I don't doubt it--a carrier could leave a serious trail...

they sure are not thinking of the sea turtles. A good bit of the garbage in the sea and on seashores is from ships.

Here's a pretty good little clip on the subject:



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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:49 PM

9. Was Ted Nugent on board?

There must be a reasonable explanation.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

17. Oh no it's Shitgate ...I would have..

sat on the rail late at night and pooped in the ocean

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:06 PM

18. I wouldn't doubt that a lot of the crew are doing just that. Since they are housed

practically in the bilge, they have to be hurting even more than the passengers.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:08 PM

20. It's probably a vacuum sanitary system.

And without power for the vacuum pumps, the toilets won't even flush. So they have no choice but to defecate in plastic bags.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:12 PM

22. It just goes to show that sometimes you need back up analog or nineteenth century systems.

I was rather upset in the last cruise (and only cruise ship) I was on, that there weren't portholes you could let air in with. I know that the people who have verandas can get fresh air but those of us in the cheaper accommodations had to rely on the air conditioning. If the generators broke down, we would suffocate and that is what is happening now.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:19 PM

27. I'm surprised they don't have backup generators.

Many large ships use vacuum sanitary systems because they use very little water and unlike the old gravity based systems, aren't required to have location constraints for restrooms. I guess they never planned to lose electricity.

Here's a major company that builds components for these types of systems. They are similar to those used on airplanes.
http://www.evac.com/cruise

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #27)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:00 PM

49. Or at least a back up plan. Their operation seems rather shoddy to me. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #49)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:14 PM

53. Without electricity...

You break out the plastic bags. I'm disappointed that they don't have the plumbing and water on backup power.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #53)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:16 PM

54. I'm talking about a back up plan.

Really, they should have a plan in case passengers and crews need to be rescued from a ship. What if it was sinking like that one in Italy that got grounded on a rock or something? That was another disgraceful incident as well.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:10 PM

21. I don't know with ships,

but small boats are permitted to dump sewage if over 12 miles out. I would think that ships can do so in Int waters. I don't think the sewage backup is due to legal issues, I think its probably because the toilets are electric-powered and there's no electricity aboard.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:15 PM

24. I kind of remember reading something awhile back about some kind of international law

preventing ocean going ships from dumping because it was polluting the ocean too much, or they were talking about it, like forcing them to make port to dump their tanks and garbage, but maybe nothing came of it.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

39. Its possible rules for ships are different.

In small boats, you can dump anything over in Int waters, although sailors usually refrain from dumping floating garbage. Pumping sewage OK. Very likely rules for ships are diffent, since pumping the sewage generated by 6000 passengers and crew overboard might not disperse before drifting into coastal waters.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:31 PM

77. I also think I remember the Environmental Compliance Officer .....

.... during our 2008 Med cruise on HAL saying something about the ship dumps NOTHING while at sea. All trash, garbage and everything else is sorted for recycling, compacted, and stored for removal when the ship got to a port. They were pretty proud of it. The recycling center was one of the few ship's engineering spaces we were allowed to visit.

Being an engineer type, I really wanted to see the engines, the engineering spaces, the wastewater treatment plant, the water system, and all the commo and nav gear. The Captain told me that ten years ago he could have, and would have, arranged a private tour for a group of interested individuals. But nowadays there are a lot of security regs that prevent it. The only places we got to see were the galleys and the recycling area.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:14 PM

23. Organic?

The amount of big pharma in that sewage could kill off the seafood

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Response to malaise (Reply #23)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:17 PM

26. I hear you.

News flash! "Schools of fish stop swimming and are sitting around the reef playing bongo drums and reciting poetry."

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Response to Cleita (Reply #26)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:19 PM

28. Bwaaaaaaaaah ha hahahah

sitting around the reef or the reifer????
That would be organic pharma

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Response to malaise (Reply #28)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:25 PM

32. Why didn't the cruise line

Send another ship? This is just a horrible situation.

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:26 PM

35. For profit cruises

Get real - they don't give a flying fugg

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Response to malaise (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:32 PM

44. Yep, that's the bottom line of it all, follow the money trail. And, even with all of

this they know it will just go away. People will still line up with their $$$$$ for cruises.

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

38. They've been sending other carnival ships to deliver food and water.

That's why this is even more puzzling. Why won't they pick up the passengers instead or at least a few of them at a time if they don't have a whole lot of empty rooms.

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:29 PM

40. At sea transfers are very hazardous.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:33 PM

45. They have the tenders which also double as life boats just in case.

They put us those to go ashore when the ship had to anchor out in the bay up in Alaska. I can't see why they couldn't use them.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:19 PM

66. and the anchor relies on a power system to lower and raise it

so no anchor. The ship is disabled and not under control of the captain. sort of hard to manouver at this time.

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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #66)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:22 PM

68. That's a point, but I was under the impression that tugs had a hold of it so maybe there

is some stability there. But I don't know much about ships other than being on a few of them in my lifetime. Also, if the ship was sinking wouldn't they have to load the life boats even without an anchor. What about the cruise ships that are bring food and water? They seem to be able to make the transfer.

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Response to mainstreetonce (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:29 PM

42. For several reasons -

- What ships? Ships in dry dock are being worked on, the rest are out to sea. You don't keep a spare one of those ships hanging around due to the expense.

Probably the biggest reason is the danger to the passengers to transfer from boat-to-boat in an open sea. Better to be inconvenienced than to be dead.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:27 PM

36. That cruise doesn't qualify for my "bucket" list!

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Response to Sancho (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:30 PM

43. I've heard stuff not so good about Carnival, plus the fact that their cruises are too cheap,

which means they are cutting corners somewhere. I just got an ad in my email for a weekend cruise to Mexico for $99. Really?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:29 PM

69. If you like to drink, the bar tab is where they get you.

$99 sounds cheap, it was probably for an inside room, double occupancy without a window on the lower level, which smells like crap all the time. (There are also additional fees not listed in that offer such as service, gas, port charges ,etc.)

I suspect they have trouble filling those. IMO 3 day cruises aren't worth the hassle. I've been on 7 and 8 day cruises with a balcony room I felt it was worth it and the cruises went smoothly. It was a lot more than $99. The first day you are just settling in and starting to relax and there isn't anything going on the last day. I wouldn't go on a 3 day cruise if it was free.

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:30 PM

70. I wouldn't either and I have no wish to go to Mexico. Been there done that. n/t

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Response to Sancho (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:50 PM

58. It would, if you were actually ON it! ;-)

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:29 PM

41. This brings a whole new meaning to the term "poop deck!"

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:02 PM

50. One of the reports is that it is washing over the decks. Ugh! n/t

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:06 PM

51. Remarkably obvious but

DUzy!

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:07 PM

52. On open ocean none would bat an eye

But from what I read the sanitary systems were taken out of commission.

They should have towed to Veracruz.

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Response to Cleita (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:26 PM

55. Does anyone wonder if the reason for towing to Mexico or Alabama is related to WHO will clean up?

I mean really...are there workers for this job?

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Response to Sancho (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:33 PM

56. These cruise ships use Asians, like from the Philipines, Indonesia and other countries

with a lot of poor people. Since the ships usually have foreign registry, they get away with it. Mostly those guys will probably be the ones who do it.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #56)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:17 PM

65. I heard Clark Howard mention that.

IIRC, they work 14 hour days, 7 days a week for 6 months at a time for little pay. It must be better than what they can find in their home country, though.

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:20 PM

67. That goes for the whole crew. I knew a kid who joined the merchant marines and he was on duty

for six months and off for six months as an officer. I believe the housekeeping and other grunt workers of the crew do the same. While they are on board, they pretty much work around the clock when needed except when they get occasional shore leave.

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