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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:35 PM

So, Dorner's Only Means to Expose LAPD Corruption Was To Kill People?

That was the only way? No media outlet would have listened to a war veteran/former LAPD who had evidence of corruption? No ACLU attorneys/Legal Aid Society/Criminal Defese Attorneys would have listened to him? No well-established internet blog site like the Huffington Post would have published his evidence? No national or local newspaper would have been interested in his story? No radio talk programs? Nothing.

His only means of exposing corruption in the LAPD was to go out and kill innocent people some who had nothing whatsoever to do with the LAPD. Do I have that right?

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Reply So, Dorner's Only Means to Expose LAPD Corruption Was To Kill People? (Original post)
Yavin4 Feb 2013 OP
randome Feb 2013 #1
DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #2
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #5
DrewFlorida Feb 2013 #44
robinlynne Feb 2013 #53
randome Feb 2013 #54
gateley Feb 2013 #76
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #3
Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #4
BainsBane Feb 2013 #50
sibelian Feb 2013 #6
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #7
sibelian Feb 2013 #73
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #74
KingFlorez Feb 2013 #8
randome Feb 2013 #55
Downwinder Feb 2013 #9
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #10
Downwinder Feb 2013 #11
bayareamike Feb 2013 #29
Downwinder Feb 2013 #30
bayareamike Feb 2013 #31
HangOnKids Feb 2013 #32
bayareamike Feb 2013 #33
HangOnKids Feb 2013 #36
bayareamike Feb 2013 #38
HangOnKids Feb 2013 #39
bayareamike Feb 2013 #40
HangOnKids Feb 2013 #41
BainsBane Feb 2013 #52
Downwinder Feb 2013 #35
bayareamike Feb 2013 #37
robinlynne Feb 2013 #57
haele Feb 2013 #14
onenote Feb 2013 #49
onenote Feb 2013 #16
Downwinder Feb 2013 #21
onenote Feb 2013 #22
Downwinder Feb 2013 #23
bhikkhu Feb 2013 #75
Downwinder Feb 2013 #77
robinlynne Feb 2013 #59
robinlynne Feb 2013 #58
Fumesucker Feb 2013 #12
BainsBane Feb 2013 #62
Fumesucker Feb 2013 #67
BainsBane Feb 2013 #68
Fumesucker Feb 2013 #69
BainsBane Feb 2013 #70
Fumesucker Feb 2013 #72
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #13
MrScorpio Feb 2013 #15
DevonRex Feb 2013 #17
CAG Feb 2013 #56
robinlynne Feb 2013 #60
mokawanis Feb 2013 #18
AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #46
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #19
HangOnKids Feb 2013 #34
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #42
dkf Feb 2013 #65
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #66
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #20
REP Feb 2013 #24
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #26
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #28
Coyotl Feb 2013 #25
slackmaster Feb 2013 #27
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #43
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #45
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #47
datasuspect Feb 2013 #48
robinlynne Feb 2013 #51
Historic NY Feb 2013 #61
geek tragedy Feb 2013 #63
robinlynne Feb 2013 #64
Taverner Feb 2013 #71
TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #78

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:37 PM

1. He waited two weeks to make his allegations.

He made them the day AFTER his partner asked for him to be reassigned.

What about these two data points does NOT point to the likelihood that his allegations were in retaliation to the perceived unfairness of his partner?

Dorner has little of value to say about the corrupt LAPD.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:44 PM

2. I doubt many people would agree that Dorner acted in an intelligent sensible way, however.

Because Dorner did not use a good method for exposing the LAPD does not mean the LAPD should not be exposed for their corruption, abuse of power, neglect of oath to the general public. It has been common knowledge for decades that the LAPD is a corrupt organization, this is just another glimpse of that well known fact. Maybe something should be done about the LAPD instead of just ignoring their bastardly behavior.

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Response to DrewFlorida (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:55 PM

5. Major under statement: "Because Dorner did not use a good method for exposing the LAPD"

He killed people.

It has been common knowledge for decades that the LAPD is a corrupt organization, this is just another glimpse of that well known fact. Maybe something should be done about the LAPD instead of just ignoring their bastardly behavior.


And I agree with you completely on that, but killing people destroys whatever message you are trying to make.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:48 PM

44. Killing people destroys your (Dorner's) credibility, not the credibility of the message.

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Response to DrewFlorida (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:29 PM

53. well said.

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Response to DrewFlorida (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:30 PM

54. People don't work that way.

It's human nature to discount the ramblings of an insane person. Therefore, Dorner actually hurt his 'cause'.

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Response to randome (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:27 PM

76. Agree. And not just w/insane people. Anybody who screws up once is forever branded

and dismissed/discounted regardless of how often s/he is right thereafter. (Biden comes to mind. )

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:45 PM

3. k&r

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:46 PM

4. Dorner is not different from any other disgruntled ex employ that goes in and shoots up his former

place of employment.

There is no excuse for his 2nd amendment solution to being unfairly terminated.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:26 PM

50. +1

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:56 PM

6. Is there a goddamn straw man FACTORY in town? nt


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Response to sibelian (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:00 PM

7. Because you cannot form a logical rebuttal to my post...

then it's a straw man. BTW, please look up the definition of a straw man argument:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 06:03 PM

73. "an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position"


... from the article you linked to.

Yes. A straw man. Like your OP.

By which you may take it that I mean your OP misrepresents your opponent's position.

Your OP rests on the assumption that anybody thinks Dorner's actions were a morally legitimate response to his treatment. Which, apart from a tiny handful of idiots, isn't true.

"to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition"

Like pretending that those suggesting that the treatment of Dorner at the hands of the LAPD was untoward also feel his reaction was appropriate. Which apart from a tiny handful of utter idiots, isn't being said.

So why did you link to an article that supports my position?

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Response to sibelian (Reply #73)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 07:52 PM

74. I Didn't Misreprsent The Dorner Supporters' Position

Links

I'm pretty sure that if he'd gone the conventional route, no one would ever have known his story, and he knew that and figured this was worth it.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2368014

and

Well, the national conversation now includes LAPD corruption
Something people largely weren't talking about before Dorner.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2369427

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:03 PM

8. He only wanted to make a name for himself

Writing a manifesto, shooting people and then dying while being surrounded by cops means that his name will be remembered. Plus, he probably knew a lot of people would consider him some sort of martyr because of corruption. He accomplished what he wanted, I don't know if he intended to die, but I'm sure he wanted his name to be remembered rather he lived or died.

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Response to KingFlorez (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:32 PM

55. Oh, his name will be remembered all right.

"You're not going to go all Dorner on me, are you?"

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:16 PM

9. How many people has LAPD killed?

Dorner was a product of LAPD culture.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:33 PM

10. He Was a LAPD cop for 3 Years

That's enough time to make him a killer?

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:42 PM

11. Obviously.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:17 PM

29. Maybe he was the product of Navy culture.

He was a member of the Navy for over a decade.

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #29)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:24 PM

30. That could well be.

You want to watch how hard you ride someone who has served in a war zone.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:26 PM

31. Or, it could just be that this was a guy

with problems since he was a kid. The guy wrote multiple stories in his manifesto detailing his violent overreactions to being insulted throughout his life. He was a jackass. I'm glad he's gone.

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:30 PM

32. Dr. Frist?

 

So glad for your diagnosis.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #32)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:32 PM

33. At least mine is speculation

based on Dorner's own writings. Claiming he was the "product of LAPD culture" (or Navy culture, for that matter) is based on nothing more than one's own biases.

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #33)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:34 PM

36. Just spewed coffee on the monitor

 

LOL!

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #36)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:35 PM

38. So, do you want to actually discuss anything

or do you just want to be a jackass who makes snide remarks?

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:36 PM

39. Careful Mikey

 

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:37 PM

40. LOL. Mikey? Nothing like being condescending. We're done here. nt

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:39 PM

41. Good. Bye Bye

 

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #41)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:28 PM

52. No welcome to ignore?

You're slipping.

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Response to bayareamike (Reply #31)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:32 PM

35. LAPD's hiring process should have filtered that out.

Sort of scary that it didn't.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:34 PM

37. Agreed. nt

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #35)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:34 PM

57. and look at the army's current hiring practices.....

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:56 PM

14. I think Dorner was the product of a lot of other cultures before he got to LAPD.

He had that capability within him when he put on the blue.
All they did was put him in a corner when he didn't match their expectations of him when they hired him.
Just like thousands of other organizations and jobs do to people who "don't fit".

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 09:31 PM

49. agreed

He was only in the LAPD for less than three years. He'd been in the military. He had gone through school. Who knows exactly what made him what he was. But even though the LAPD is no one's idea of a model police force, the fact is that there are thousands of current and former members of the LAPD, undoubtedly a substantial number with grievances, who have gone on killing rampages and any suggestion that the LAPD "culture" is in any way responsible for his actions is lame.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:04 PM

16. I don't know how many people the LAPD has killed

but that would be an interesting fact. Your post seems to suggest you have some idea. Please share.

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Response to onenote (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

21. I don't know, but when they shoot up newspaper ladies

and a surfer it appears to be more of a killer's culture than defend and protect. I can see where a culture like that would produce an individual that would pick up arms to strike back.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:35 PM

22. Well, the LAPD has 10,000 police officers and you don't know how many have ever shot anyone

so I think your assumptions need some back up.

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Response to onenote (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:44 PM

23. That is why I asked.

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Response to Downwinder (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:08 PM

75. There's some numbers here:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/02/local/la-me-lapd-shootings-assaults-20120702

and then a bunch more here: http://patterico.com/wp/wp-content/images/lapd-data-final.pdf

The average number of officer-involved "suspect fatalities" is 13 per year (if I'm reading the statistics right), or about .0013% per officer per year. I don't know how that compares to anywhere else.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #75)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 08:40 PM

77. Thanks. I'll have to study this a bit.

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Response to onenote (Reply #22)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:36 PM

59. if you live in LA you hear about LAPD shootings pretty regularly. It is not at all uncommon.

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Response to onenote (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:35 PM

58. It happens on a pretty regular basis here.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:50 PM

12. Well, the national conversation now includes LAPD corruption

Something people largely weren't talking about before Dorner.

The two shot up trucks of wrong make, model, color and passenger race/sex also are fairly obvious clues that the LAPD in general is about as sharp as a watermelon.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:39 PM

62. how does that effect LAPD behavior?

in the slightest? That a bunch of people online talk about LAPD corruption? The LA community, the FBI, and the DOJ are the only ones who have any impact on the LAPD.
What people think on DU--or the "national conversation"--means nothing, other than people buy into the justifications of a murderer,

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #62)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:51 PM

67. LAPD is only the tip of the iceberg, police nationwide are becoming more and more militarized

It only effected students and faculty at UC Davis when Pepperspray Cop went for his little stroll too but it sure entered the public awareness and became part of the national conversation.



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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #67)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:53 PM

68. no kidding

and it's not beginning. It's long standing. You haven't answered the question. The police aren't national. What do they care about "national awareness," particularly on websites?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #68)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:14 PM

69. No corrupt organization is going to enjoy that national spotlight being shined on it

I certainly don't expect that the LAPD is going to reform itself or be reformed from the outside, corruption and violence are a tradition there.

However seeing the roaches scurrying from the sunlight suddenly shone upon them is amusing in an unspellable German word sort of way.


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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #69)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:17 PM

70. because of a mass murderer

No. No one who doesn't already hate the police is interested in Dorner's so-called manifesto. He wrote that in an effort to justify his murder spree. Anyone with sense can see as much. Nothing he has any credence. If he wanted to accomplish something, he should have filed a law suit and told his story to the press. But all he wanted to do is kill, so that is exactly what he did.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #70)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:27 PM

72. Oderint dum metuant, let them hate so long as they fear

An idea so long established it was old when said in Latin.

It's the rare person that doesn't get a bit nervous when the blue lights start flashing behind them.

And then there's another old Latin quote, Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who will watch the watchers?

Old problems indeed.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:52 PM

13. You know there are two other officers

Who have said the same things regarding the police culture of LAPD in the last 72 hours.

Where there is smoke...perhaps...there is fire.

But hey, if it makes you feel better the murdering scum is dead, nothing to see here.

One of the two former officers even wrote about vendettas from former officers and that he was surprised this took so long.

But hey, the straw pile is over there.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 05:58 PM

15. I don't think so. I think that he just wanted to do both at the same time

Unfortunately, he killed innocent people while making it all about himself.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

17. You're supposed to love Dorner for murdering US citizens here for no reasons and

hate Obama for using drones to kill terrorists (even US 3 citizens) in Pakistan and Yemen and Afghanistan in order to protect our troops and us. See how that works? Neither do I.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:32 PM

56. Yeah, wonder where the right gets their propaganda spin to convince the middle that

the left may be a little soft on crime??

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #17)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:37 PM

60. who loves Dorner?

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

18. Nobody has said that it was the only means to expose the LAPD

so why are you putting those words in their mouths?

What people have said is that the allegations against the LAPD bear looking into and that any corruption should be exposed. Making those points does not mean people support what Dorner did. Nobody supports his decision to use violence, though many on DU have been accused of doing so.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:02 PM

46. Why? It's as good as a straw-man as any.

 

Plus it creates a foundation for criticizing anyone who is not an authoritarian lover, and who wants an investigation of the allegations, to be called a Dorner sympathizer.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:06 PM

19. He killed because he went off the deep end, morally and psychologically.

It's very possible that the LAPD corruption is what broke him as a human being, but he was not trying to remedy any wrongs. He was killing because he had become a psycho.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #19)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:32 PM

34. Yet another Dr. Frist

 

Where did you get your degree geek?

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #34)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:40 PM

42. No sane person would shoot someone's kid thinking it would advance a cause for justice. nt

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:46 PM

65. You'd think that is the first thing people would realize.

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:51 PM

66. I wonder if I posted that Baruch Goldstein was lynched what the reaction would be. nt

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:28 PM

20. Dorner didn't expose ANYTHING that people in Southern California didn't already know.

That's why I laugh every time I read someone posting bullshit like (and I paraphrase) "LAPD needed Dorner dead! LAPD wanted Dorner dead! They were afraid of what he was going to expose!"

LAPD wasn't afraid of Dorner in any other context than he'd already killed the child of a former LAPD bigwig and her fiancÚ and promised to kill more children (Dorner's words) and officers until he got satisfaction.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:44 PM

24. People in NoCal know LAPD is crooked and dangerous

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Response to REP (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:51 PM

26. I should have said everyone in California who's paid attention in the last 21 years knows... n/t

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #20)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:17 PM

28. Yep. There was even a very popular TV show about on LAPD corruption

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:47 PM

25. Or, So, Dorner's Only Means to Expose LAPD Corruption Was To Get Killed?

HELLO! What effect did the corruption and his job treatment have on his mental state?

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:51 PM

27. His methods were unsound

 

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:42 PM

43. Do you have to be a Dorner fanboy to be allowed to criticize the LAPD? n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:58 PM

45. According to DU's new nannies, yes. I, OTOH, think he was a dangerous person who

did terrible things for which he was due some serious punishment AND i believe he had some legitimate observations about the deplorable racism and lack of ethics at LAPD.

Yep. Makes me a "fan".

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #45)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:08 PM

47. Yep. How dare we show nuance instead of picking sides!

I keep bringing up the point that one can condemn Dorner's murderous actions (which are obvious,) while also condemning the LAPD's long track record of violence, corruption and racism, which has been reported by lots of people, including two other LAPD officers that spoke up in the wake of Dorner's violence.

But if I criticize the LAPD, that means I endorse Dorner...

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:09 PM

48. you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelette

 

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:28 PM

51. who says he did it to expose the LAPD? Dorner didn't say that. He said "I didn't lie."

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:38 PM

61. If anyone thinks his manifesto is the thinking of some one sane....

then I'm heading to Brooklyn to put a sold sign on the bridge.

It absolutely disgusting to have people defending him (a mass murderer) here. How many people think Allen West was completely sane? Killing people to make a point of your grievences isn't sane. Killing innocent, uninvolved people is .......what?

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:40 PM

63. Dorner is much worse than Allen West.

Yet he has cheerleaders here.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #61)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 10:45 PM

64. There was a book written about why the nazis did what they did.

a large, ong ressearch rpoject interviewoing citizens of all walks of life after the war to find out why they particpated in the killing. Unfortunaely, the study concluded, as ahve many many studies since that one, that they were NORMAL.

Calling people crazy does not make it so. It is a way for you to feel better. He is not made of the same cloth that we are. no perosn i know would ever do such a thing. but the truth may be otheriwse, undortunately.

the book is called "They thought they were free." It is rather terrible to acknowledge, but under certain circumstances "sane" people will do terrible things. Remember the research project where they had people think they were applying electric shocks? Didn't at least half of the people actually do it?

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:27 PM

71. No - it wasn't

 

But that has nothing to do with the veracity of his claims

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 09:42 PM

78. Who said it was? Dorner is dead, you'll have to call a soothsayer to have this out with him

but his horrible means doesn't diminish the issues with cops not a single bit just as crazy bastards blasting on random law abiding citizens didn't diminish the need to capture or if necessary kill Dorner.

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