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Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:17 AM

AI found better than doctors at diagnosing, treating patients

Applying the same technologies used for voice recognition and credit card fraud detection to medical treatments could cut healthcare costs and improve patient outcomes by almost 50%, according to new research.

The research by Indiana University found that using patient data with machine-learning algorithms can drastically improve both the cost and quality of healthcare through simulation modeling.

The computer models simulated numerous alternative treatment paths out into the future and continually planned and replanned treatment as new information became available. In other words, it can "think like a doctor," according to the university.

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The artificial intelligence models obtained a 30% to 35% increase in positive patient outcomes, Bennett said.

"And we determined that tweaking certain model parameters could enhance the outcome advantage to about 50% more improvement at about half the cost, he said.

The cost of diagnosing and treating a patient was $189, compared to the treatment-as-usual cost of $497, Bennett said.


http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9236737/AI_found_better_than_doctors_at_diagnosing_treating_patients

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:18 AM

1. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:22 AM

2. Markov processes are one of the most important advances of the last century

This is already used in diagnosing engineering problems; this is a great story.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:34 PM

10. AI also isn't hampered by exhaustion

or politics, the human factors mentioned below, or any of the other human factors.

I do wonder what diagnosis and treatment they found for $597 though...

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 02:09 PM

12. Or ego and all it's manifestations

exhibited by many doctors. I've been misdiagnosed a few times, once was skin cancer,which really pissed me off. Thanks to the internet I was able to prove my doctor wrong and have often thought that there are more objective methods that would save time and money when the human factor was reduced.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:27 AM

3. That's because the AI isn't hampered

by human nature, i.e., human biases, prejudices and preconceived notions, which even the most competent, caring doctor is subject to if they're really honest. No one who is human is immune to judgment clouded by such factors.

The AI also isn't motivated by financial factors, such as whether someone is insured, how good it is, how they can pay for it, etc. That also makes a huge difference.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:34 AM

4. Don't forget the influence of pharmaceuticals and the slimy salespeople that sell them. n/t

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:43 AM

7. Yes, indeed, and that could be included

under financial factors.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:37 AM

5. Doctors' expertise and performance would also vary considerably, while AI would be uniform

In other professions, new entrants have a fairly high and uniform level of performance, which increases as they gain experience. However, performance diverges widely after 10 - 15 years depending on the course of their career, whether they keep up with advances, and factors related to their personal and family life.

I would think that doctors would also vary considerably.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:42 AM

6. I want this guy for my doctor!





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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:18 AM

15. Had the same thought

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:44 AM

8. In the very near future, we will submit our DNA to a health algorithm

and it will map the best course of medical care for our entire lives. For example, if you are genetically inclined to have heart disease, it may proscribe aspirin for life and give you a strict diet to follow.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:34 PM

9. Does this mean that when I go to see my medical facilitato (in the past my M.D.),

I will get something like the EMH depcited (several times) here?

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Response to 1monster (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:19 PM

11. Better than Doctor Lexus from Idiocracy.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 12:11 AM

13. Garbage in garbage out. n/t

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:15 AM

14. We're One Step Closer To SkyNet Becoming Self-Aware

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 01:24 AM

16. "the same technologies used for voice recognition" -- Given how accurate Siri is...

...about figuring out what I'm saying, I can't say this inspires me with great confidence.

If the AI is nevertheless better than human doctors, however, I'm going to have to start being terrified of human doctors.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:01 AM

17. Finally

Now this is another great use for computers.

Why am I reminded of Star Trek right now?

Won't be long, if we survive long enough before a handheld device can scan you and determine what is missing and concoct needed chemicals and algorithms to make you all better. In two seconds. If we live that long.

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Response to FarCenter (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:11 AM

18. My insurance company's "Sophisticated computer program" looked at my recent health claims

and told me that I should be sure to follow the recommendations of the American Menopause Society and have 1,200mg of calcium in my diet, and it told me I am overdue for a mammogram. Overdue!

I relayed this information to my doctor at my regular physical, shortly after he had examined my prostate. He scoffed at the idea--but what does he, know, I asked. He's not a sophisticated computer program, he's just a doctor.

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