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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:25 PM

I told you they were going to burn him out.

right here, in this post..note the time:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=397704

and now this:

Fugitive ex-cop believed dead, as cabin stronghold goes up in flames
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/

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Reply I told you they were going to burn him out. (Original post)
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 OP
cali Feb 2013 #1
rightsideout Feb 2013 #6
DollarBillHines Feb 2013 #7
ThomThom Feb 2013 #18
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #23
Texasgal Feb 2013 #14
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #15
frylock Feb 2013 #41
babylonsister Feb 2013 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #11
babylonsister Feb 2013 #13
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #17
babylonsister Feb 2013 #20
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #25
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2013 #24
Dash87 Feb 2013 #16
Liberal Veteran Feb 2013 #3
HipChick Feb 2013 #4
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #19
arely staircase Feb 2013 #29
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #31
oldhippydude Feb 2013 #30
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #32
Ernesto Feb 2013 #5
Cleita Feb 2013 #8
kickysnana Feb 2013 #9
malaise Feb 2013 #10
mythology Feb 2013 #12
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #21
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #26
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #22
liberalmuse Feb 2013 #27
greyl Feb 2013 #28
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #33
nc4bo Feb 2013 #34
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #35
nc4bo Feb 2013 #37
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #39
nc4bo Feb 2013 #40
chowder66 Feb 2013 #36
nc4bo Feb 2013 #38
Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #42
lost-in-nj Feb 2013 #43
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #44
HipChick Feb 2013 #45
dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #46

Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:27 PM

1. so what do you want? A rose? kudos? oohs and ahs over your prognostication?

I know people like to be right about stuff, but crowing about being right about this is weird to me. to put it kindly. And how do you know he didn't blow his brains out before the fire?

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:34 PM

6. Here's a possible scenario

The police fired tear gas into the cabin. Dorner figured the end was near and killed himself since the police heard one gunshot after they fired tear gas inside. The tear gas caused the fire. He's being cremated.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:35 PM

7. I'll wager he shot himself after the fire started

He didn't have the cojones to Butch Cassidy it.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:58 PM

18. msnbc just said there was a shot inside the cabin as the fire started

he may have started the fire then shot himself
of course the first thing the media says is usually wrong so we will wait for more information
personally I hate this type of reporting and just turned it off

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:01 PM

23. Last online news is they think he may have escaped.

foot prints leading away from back door of cabin.

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:53 PM

14. Nasty reply.

How do you know she did not mean it that way?

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:54 PM

15. Do you live near there, Cali ?

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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:00 PM

41. what, you the only person here allowed a vanity post?

can't wait for your followup about how awful Ed Gein was.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:28 PM

2. Does anyone know if he's even in there? He could have fled; he's

'disappeared' before.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:41 PM

11. someone was shooting out of the cabin, weren't they?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:48 PM

13. I don't know; know there were shots fired early on, don't

know if they were shot from the cabin or if he was in there at the time.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:56 PM

17. Yeah there was gunfire exchanged at the cabin

There was a news reporter on scene hiding from the shots.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:59 PM

20. So he might be toast.

No puns, no puns.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:02 PM

25. He knew this would end in his death

He probably shot himself before burning.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:01 PM

24. Yes, that's fuzzy to me too. But feel sorry for the owner of the cabin. He actually noticed and

recognized it when he turned the TV on. Oops...all gone.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:54 PM

16. Oh he disappeared again.

Just not in the form you're thinking of.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:29 PM

3. Oooo! Ahhh!

I got nothing.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:33 PM

4. good observation..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:58 PM

19. Actually, I had watched the same scenario in my area.

Back in the early 1980's a group of right wing militia in Idaho were robbing banks in the Pac. NW to support their gun fetish.
One of the ring leaders was pursued onto Whidbey Island and holed up a street away from my house.
( really dumb thing to do, there is only one road off the island)
All sorts of police were at both ends of the road where he was holed up in a cabin, including 2 fire trucks.
I thought that a bit strange at the time.
But 4 hours later, the cabin burst into flames, and the fire trucks went in, the guy was declared dead in the press.

Few years later, Waco happened.

Seemed less co-incidental and more of a pattern.


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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:10 PM

29. so what lesson should we draw from your two observations?

the cops kill random, innocent people? Don't join a rw militia and rob banks?

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:14 PM

31. whatever lesson you wish.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:13 PM

30. lets kick this one further down the road..

remember what happened to the S.L.A. after Patty Hurst was rescued

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Response to oldhippydude (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:21 PM

32. Yep.

That was part of the pattern that clicked in my mind.
Almost a forgone conclusion, actually.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:33 PM

5. Enough of this crap!

I want hear about that martian that recently quit his job!

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:37 PM

8. Uhm, that's sort of what they do. When the tear gas canisters come out,

you can bank on it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:41 PM

10. You were right

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:46 PM

12. That's a relatively standard siege approach when dealing with this sort of situation

It minimizes the risk of casualties to those laying siege and gives the people inside an incentive to get out. It's how the government approached the end game of the Branch Davidians and in dealing with Bob Mathews of the Order for example.

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Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:07 PM

26. Yes! I posted up thread about him holing up close to my house at the time

on Whidbey. Had forgotten his name till you mentioned it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:00 PM

22. I did not expect him to make it into any

Courtroom.

Neither did he.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:07 PM

27. It was pretty obvious.

Hell, I watched Waco. I was surprised they didn't firebomb the cabin sooner. Ugly, ugly stuff, all of it.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:10 PM

28. You posted that 28 minutes after a post saying the cabin wa engulfed in flames.

Same thread, note the time.

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Response to greyl (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:24 PM

33. I should have checked the DU...

didn't see it, we were eating dinner.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:45 PM

34. Just read on a #bigbear twitterfeed

that they won't go near the cabin until it has completely burned down/out.

Just wow. My skin feels like there's a million ants crawling over it.

Won't even bother to put the fire out, why? This will be a complete cremation with no or hardly any evidence to sift through including bones.

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:54 PM

35. Why indeed.

Maybe they don't want to approach in case he is holed up nearby, or under the cabin,somehow escaping the fire..
They gotta find enough bones to declare he is indeed dead tho.
And according to the cremation industry, some bones survive even the hottest cremation fires.
( I read the damnest things, don'tcha know)

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:56 PM

37. New update says they've pulled a body out.

Suspect. Everything the police state does should be considered suspicious until found otherwise.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:00 PM

40. Thanks for the confirmation dixie. nm

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Response to nc4bo (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:55 PM

36. They probably didn't put the fire out because

of potential weapons, bombs, booby-traps. Too risky considering his training and military service.

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Response to chowder66 (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:56 PM

38. True chowder. nm

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:02 PM

42. How do you know he didn't do it himself? Heard that one gun shot was heard before burst of flames.nt

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:05 PM

43. is there proof of who actually started the fire?

I would like to know because I have heard HE started the fire....

the man was a monster but I still would like to know who started the fire..

I hope the families of his victims get the answers they need

was he still in the cabin?

Thanks in advance

lost

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Response to lost-in-nj (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:19 PM

44. I have been reading several online news reports

which indicate several versions, one of them being tear gas cannisters
another story said police were mum about who started fire, which is interesting in itself.
But I cannot think of any reason to be holed up in a cabin and then set fire to it.

This:
It was not clear who set the fire in the Big Bear community where Dorner apparently has been hiding since sometime last week.
from
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/12/fugitive-ex-cop-exchanges-fire-with-authorities-ap-source-says/


yeah, I know it is Fox, but it was what came up on the Google news search.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:21 PM

45. Execution by fire...

I guess there was too much media around to string him up and hang him..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:27 PM

46. Well, they labeled him a "domestic terrorist"

so it was pretty certain all bets were off of him being taken alive.

Not happy with "terrorist" definition being expanded to cover what we used to call "criminals" or "killers".

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