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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:10 PM

1. I hope you don't masturbate

never know what those seeds could have become.




Then again, I probably got you wrong despite your specific admonishment against it.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:10 PM

2. I am too, you have company here.

My objection too is government interference in our bodies, bedrooms...

I have to add that I regret that abortion is even a political topic but I know it is and will be. I assert, there should be no law infringing on our personal choices. I work in medicaid and often times can assist pregnant women in getting the care they need so they don't have to choose abortion. I like that I can help them with that.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:33 PM

41. You work in a government agency and

actively try to steer women away from abortion? Do they say to you - "I really want to keep this pregnancy, but I can't see how I can afford it" before you do that?

I really hope so, because otherwise you are completely out of line. It's not your decision and that includes attempting to sway a vulnerable person into making a choice that suits you but may not be in their best long-term interests. If you're working for the government and doing that, you are interfering in their bodies and their rights.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:34 PM

47. No, I have no other option as I cannot suggest or eve refer for abortion services

Do you not know that? So a woman who may think her only choice is abortion can come to my office, perhaps qualify for medicaid and make a different CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:56 PM

100. I know what the rules are -

I also know what people are willing to do. I was asking if you were doing it. You say you're not. That's good, but I have to say that it's not even something you should be thinking about while in conversation with these women. As you said it's a choice - and it's their choice.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #100)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:14 PM

134. I never engage in that subject accept to refer them to PP

for pregnancy tests, as it is a requirement for medicaid eligibility. My personal enjoyment from the work I do is that I can assist some women who want to choose to have a child can received the medical care to do so. If that eases their minds and effect their decision then I am personally pleased by that.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:12 PM

3. "I'm not a weird rallyer who would kill people like George Tiller or anything, don't get me wrong,"

If you take a stance and have to just throw that out there, you should think about changing your position.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:14 PM

4. How so?

I admit I know nothing about the poster but maybe they are being genuine and trying their best to convey their sincerity?

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:15 PM

5. welcome to du--I wonder if you recognize the disconnect in these two statements (well, actually

in your whole post) I do respect a woman's life to make her own choices, instead of INSTANTLY aborting the baby. gave yourself away there. it isn't a baby, it is a collection of cells, a biological parasite until it can manage on its own. INSTANTLY-- wow, just wow. You give no credence to a woman making a decision--just INSTANTLY.

you never know--yeah, it could grow up to be a hitler or a pol pot or a dick cheney.

seriously, your whole post contradicts your assertion that you respect a woman's right to her own body, because you question her judgment, and her ability to make her own decisions, based on her own criteria. none of what you said is of any relevance to that woman's decision.

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Response to niyad (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:17 PM

11. Nice welcome

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Response to niyad (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:18 PM

16. +1 good reply n/t

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Response to niyad (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:19 PM

18. +1

I get supporting Roe v Wade but never wanting to consider an abortion personally. That's common.

I do not understand calling oneself a Democrat and being "antiabortion" as stated in the OP.

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Response to niyad (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

50. +100000000000000

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Response to niyad (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:43 PM

68. +1

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:15 PM

6. Who instantly aborts without a thought?

RW crap.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:16 PM

7. Then educate them

instead of outright dismissal. No?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:19 PM

20. What?

These people come from a misogynist, religious POV. If they wanted to be educated, they would ask.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:31 PM

36. +100

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Response to Cleita (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:43 PM

70. Exactly!

The whole original post makes no sense...

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:17 PM

8. So you respect a woman's right to make her own choices regarding her body,

but you still believe in forced birth? Could you try to explain how that would work in a little more detail?

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:17 PM

9. Wow. What an insulting post.

If you respect a woman's right to make her own choices involving her body, then RESPECT it.

Do you think women aren't capable of thinking about all their options without your input?

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:17 PM

10. Well, I sure am glad you're not a weird rallyer!

Since you're 'pro life', do you also support ensuring children that are already born receive health care, child care, and a quality education, even if mom and/or dad can't afford it? Are you also against war and killing of innocent children?

You say you respect a woman's right to make her own choices involving her body. Does that mean if she chooses to have an abortion, you are ok with it?

It's always interesting to me when someone proclaims they are 'pro life', what those words really mean to them, other than being against abortion.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:22 PM

25. Yes

I am alright if a woman ultimately decides to have an abortion. I said it is the woman's choice, I just said that there are other options. I didn't expect so many people to hate me for that. Only one person agrees with me.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:30 PM

33. Wow. Who knew there were other options? A revelation!

If you are not a troll, then maybe get educated some and think about what you're saying.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:36 PM

56. The democratic party

is pro-choice, pro-women's lives, pro-safe and legal abortions. We are all in for protecting a woman's right to choose abortion. We respect her intelligence to make that choice without forcing or tricking her into looking at other options. See?

If you'd like to learn you could start with the link in my sigline.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:39 PM

59. It's difficult to agree with you when you haven't defined where you stand yet.

I'm trying to figure it out.

As a woman, I have the right to make the choice about whether or not to have an abortion. I have a right to go to the doctor of my choice for the procedure without having to jump through legal hoops and without fear of repercussions.

As an American citizen, I do not have the right, based on my own religious or political views, to tell another woman she cannot have an abortion, or to take action to make this very safe medical procedure illegal.

I would never, ever advocate for abortion, if other options are available that are a better choice for a woman. But only she can make that call.

So I don't label myself either way. It's simply a personal choice.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:39 PM

60. If you're pro-CHOICE you should STFU and stop identifying as pro-life.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:16 PM

140. Eloquent, as always.

 

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #140)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:17 PM

144. Who the fuck are you and what the fuck do you know about me?

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

82. Nobody hates you...

Perhaps you need to rethink and restate your position...it's not that far from Bill Clintons "I want abortions to be safe, legal and rare"

You are obviously 'personally' pro life, but you would not want to prevent a woman from making her own decision. Full stop.

Pregnant women know there are other options, they do not live in bubbles.

10 years ago you wouldn't have received as much flack over for your OP, today with republicans on the attack everywhere, it is difficult for anyone to have much tolerance for the 'pro-life' argument.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:56 PM

98. What we HATE is your callous, flippant, RW remark about instantly choosing abortion.

Shame on you.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:17 PM

12. First, being anti-abortion isn't 'pro-life' and second, 91% of abortions are done

in the first trimester. Therefore, most are embryos and after week 11 are fetuses.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:18 PM

13. I'm anti-Roe vs. Wade

 

I do think that all states should legalize abortion, but I also think Roe vs. Wade was one of the worst decisions the SC ever made.

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Response to Ter (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:19 PM

17. The first Iv'e seen someone say this

and I concur. It was more destructive on the federal level than on the state level for choice. IMO

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:22 PM

24. Bullshit. How was it destructive?

Giving women the ability to have an abortion safely rather than in a back alley or with a coat hanger.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:25 PM

29. It is my opinion. Thank you.

I will clarify.

As the post this is in reply to says also. It should be legal in all states but R vs. W made it easier for legislation as well as fueling the anti-choice crowd by concentrating their efforts on the federal scale. Imagine this, if somehow the worst happened and we had R VW overturned it would effect EVERY state! We have seen restrictions already have we not?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:37 PM

57. That's nonsense

All overturning Roe would mean is that there is no federally protected constitutional right to privacy for reproductive rights. It would be back to a state by state recognition of such rights and back to coat hangers no doubt. Overturning Roe would not make abortion illegal nationwide. That could only happen if the SC, in addition to overturning Roe, ruled that a fetus has rights under the Constitution and that abortion was murder. Even the most right wing judges have not gone there.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:52 PM

92. Opinion makes no sense.

Without it, abortion would not be legal in almost all places. What fairytale land do you live in?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:30 PM

35. wtf?

"Destructive"? Can you explain what in hell you're talking about? Roe confirmed a constitutional right of privacy for women concerning reproductive rights. How the hell can that be "destructive"?

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:33 PM

40. It can be easier undone at the federal

see my other response and why flame me, I am responding to the poster whos title is "I'm anti-Roe Vs Wade"

ask them what they mean while you're at it.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:40 PM

63. flame? You must have an awfully thin skin

if anyone who disagrees with you is considered to be flaming.

Please explain to me just how it is "easier" to undo a constitutional right that is recognized by SCOTUS than one that is not. It makes no sense whatsoever.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:43 PM

69. Have restrictions on that constituinal right happened since Roe V. Wade? Yes or No.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:50 PM

88. no and in fact the right has been expanded

Have you read Roe v Wade? It is a very long read and it is not a simple decision. You seem to have the belief that it makes all abortions legal. It does not. All restrictions that violate Roe have been struck down by the courts time after time. Those that cover abortions in the last trimester are the only ones that stick, like late term abortions, which were NOT protected by Roe.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

76. please ignore - misplaced response

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:59 PM

107. It's "destructive" of patriarchal control of women's bodies, silly.

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Response to Ter (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:58 PM

106. Yeah. HORRIBLE how all those deaths from back alley abortions came to a screeching halt, huh?

TERRIBLE court decision.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:18 PM

14. You have something in common with a pro-universal male castration Democrat then.

Last edited Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:13 PM - Edit history (1)

Both have the arrogance to believe that they should have the legal right to tell people of the opposite sex what they should do with their bodies.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:20 PM

22. Is there a forum on that here at DU?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:32 PM

37. Gosh, I'm so sorry...you might wanna check the support group forums for that.



peace

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Response to Zorra (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:33 PM

42. Damn.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:50 PM

87. LOL!

If there were a support group for that I'd totally subscribe! I mean, I would never seriously be in favor of forcible male castration, but considering how many things would improve if that were the case, it's a nice thought.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:18 PM

15. Who the fuck instantly aborts a baby. What crap.

Nice to know you probably wouldn't kill me as a Planned Parenthood escort. I totally appreciate that.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:20 PM

21. I am against abortion...

...for myself. It's not up to me (or you) to tell someone else what their beliefs should be and how they should handle the "respect" you have given them to make choices involving their own body-

--also, there is no such thing as "pro-life," there is, however, anti-abortion.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:17 PM

141. Well said.

The ability to be able to make that personal choice is he important part.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:22 PM

23. You should have stopped at..,

However, at the same time, I do respect a woman's right to make her own choices involving her body


Because your next sentence indicates you are second guessing a woman's decision. That most certainly is not respecting " a woman's right to make her own choices involving her body".

Sid

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:23 PM

26. you are trying WAY too hard

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:24 PM

27. If you respect a women's right to choose then you are PRO-CHOICE

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:33 PM

43. Naaaah, nah, nah, nah

...see bring "pro-life" isn't a political position, it's a personal identity.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:25 PM

28. You mean you're pro-choice.

You support a woman's right to choose. Birth, adoption, abortion...all are choices. Saying you are pro-choice doesn't mean you have to drag the first pregnant woman you see to a clinic. It means you respect her decision and hope that she's made the best choice based on her life.

As far as not knowing what kind of person an aborted fetus could have become, I'm more concerned with the children that are already here and not getting the care and quality of life that they deserve. I wonder what they could become with proper education, health care, food and nurturing. A lot of those children are adoptable, as well. But, they don't get a choice.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:27 PM

30. You are not a "Pro-life Democrat"

 

You are judgemental and ill informed.

NO ONE is Pro Abortion. NO ONE! I am not so full of myself to think that I can make a decision for another human being. You seem to think you are smarter than the average bear and that adoption would work for everyone.

Sorry but I'll go back to my original -you are not "Pro-life" you are judgemental.

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Response to EternalOptimist (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:32 PM

38. Welcome to DU EternalOptimist...

Great response

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Response to EternalOptimist (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:34 PM

46. I am pro-abortion and DAMN proud of it.

Abortion is a moral and positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, and protects families.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

73. Thank you, PeaceNikki!

I too am pro-abortion.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #73)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:51 PM

90. I know, Z...

I remember your story. It will haunt me for the rest of my life and will always be a reason I fight for full reproductive rights.

Always.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:54 PM

96. I am also pro-abortion.

Damn straight.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:28 PM

31. I am pro-choice.

I believe a woman should have the right to make that hard decision. Nobody likes abortion at all, and it is one of the hardest choice a woman and her family might have to make. I think we need to stand with women in their time of need heartache when they are faced with this choice.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:29 PM

32. Look,

times to get things cleared. I am PRO-LIFE. I am AGAINST abortion. However, I do feel that if a woman ultimately feels she wants an abortion, I'll support it. You want to get an abortion, fine, it's your decision, I just don't agree with it. I might suggest other options, but that's it. Go ahead and have an abortion, it's your choice. I just wouldn't agree with your decision, that's all.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:36 PM

54. So you are, in essense, saying you are ANTI-CHOICE

You cannot talk out of both sides of your mouth and not be called on it here.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:41 PM

66. So you're against the death penalty?

That would be pro-life.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:42 PM

67. Thankfully you don't have to FUCKING AGREE with other people's private medical decisions.

And how dare you imply that it's a decision you have a right to judge?

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:30 PM

34. OK. So where do you stand on other issues?

Unions, Public education, Marriage Equality, Civil liberties, The Violence Against Women Act, etc.

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Response to cali (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:34 PM

45. Ok

Unions - Have no problem with. Everyone deserves to be in a work union so they can be treated fairly.
Public education - I'm pretty sure most people are for public education, as am I.
Marriage equality - I hate prejudice. LGBT couples have just as much right as Heterosexual couples to get married.
Violence against women act - I think wifebeaters are cowards who expect the women not fight back. I don't condone people beating people out of anger. There!

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:53 PM

94. Many people are trying to destroy public education- tons of repubs and

the vast majority of wingnuts.

Do you support charter schools?

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:32 PM

39. No, you are anti-choice. And we don't need any more of those. Anti-choicers should be banned here.



The end.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:34 PM

44. Bingo!

There you are, you!

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

48. .

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:44 PM

72. THIS! nt

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

49. I am a "Pro-keep the fuck outta my-Life" democrat

I need a slogan.....

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Response to RedstDem (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:19 PM

148. I think you've got one...

Ill make bumper stickers who wants one?

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

51. Nope

I get pregnant I'm having an abortion. And while that's personal information I just made public, generally its no one business what medical procedure I chose to have.

Besides. It could b the next Hitler using your logic.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

52. i'm pro-choice and pro life. people should live and control their own lives.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:35 PM

53. "Instantly aborting" ??

You lost me there.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:36 PM

55. That really smacked me in the face as well.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:39 PM

58. Democrats are pro-life by defination....

we want every one to have good health care, that's pro-life,

we want slow down the gun violence in this nation, that's pro-life,

we want every kid to be well fed and cared for, that's pro-life,

we want every one to have the chance to make a decent living, that's pro-life.

And if any woman, friend, sister, niece, co-worker, etc..., come to me thinking about an abortion, I would talk with her for as long as she needed and the I would support her in what ever decision she made. Because that's pro-life also, pro-her-life.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:40 PM

62. And pro-choice as defined in our party platform.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #62)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:03 PM

118. ???

Possibly a silly question, did you read my post completely or just the 'title'? Or was your response intended as a gentle rap on the knuckles about using the preferred terms?

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Response to daleanime (Reply #118)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:05 PM

121. It wasn't a condemnation against you, but this OP.

Which makes my blood boil.

I agree with every word you wrote and I read them all.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:39 PM

61. I am a pro-choice Democrat that believes men should discuss it as little as possible...

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #61)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:08 PM

125. Hmmm. I can escort outside a clinic for the last 20 years and get kicked or punched

or tripped by anti-choicers, but I shouldn't be discussing the subject?
Pray tell why.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:40 PM

64. If you respect a woman's right to choose then you are pro-CHOICE

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:40 PM

65. Find a new title for yourself.

You appear to be simply saying you are "pro life" in the generic "Yay! Life!" sense. This is about as meaningful as saying you are pro fluffy puppy.

"Pro life" in modern political terms means "against abortion being legal". That is simply how it is. Yes, it is monumentally stupid to put that label on that position but it's the reality. If you are in favor of women being allowed to make that decision yourself you are not "pro life". You are "pro choice".

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Response to gcomeau (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:46 PM

77. I Can Think Of Quite A Few Titles For This Poster

 

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #77)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:49 PM

83. Oh they're not that bad...

...except for that "instantly aborting the baby" line which was just dreadful but I'm inclined to extend the benefit of the doubt and assume that was just typing fingers running away from the brain.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:43 PM

71. By your definition, we're ALL pro-life democrats.

You can be anything you want to if you change the definition enough. You support a woman's right to choose? You don't support making abortion illegal? Then you're pro-choice by common parlance. EVERY democrat wants to make abortions rare, it's not a pleasant experience to go through and if it can be avoided, it should be. However, pro-choice people want to make sure that abortions are accessible and safe. That's what separates us and them.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

74. You need to remove this HIGHLY OFFENSIVE sentence from your OP, sweetcakes.

"....They should look into other options though (like adoption) instead of just instantly aborting the baby...."

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #74)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:47 PM

78. I alerted on the post and a jury already decided to let it stand 3-3

 

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #78)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:50 PM

89. On what basis?

Perhaps they haven't thought their position through very well, maybe they need some guidance. Perhaps I am naive. I was new here once and I have come a long way and actually moved a bit further to the left then I ever was before. That is a good thing.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:55 PM

97. Sorry anybody that posts such drivel as

 

"instantly wanting to abort the baby" does not belong here. NOBODY instantly wants an abortion, and a collection of cells is NOT a baby. They can take their training wheels elsewhere and learn how to roll. This is a grown-up site for grown up people. Please read ALL the replies in this thread, you might see that you and the OP are in a woeful minority.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #97)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:57 PM

104. I am okay wit being in the minority and respect your postion and I am pro-choice and pro life

ya dig?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #104)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:03 PM

120. No I don't dig

 

Scram.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #120)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:09 PM

126. I think I will stick around a bit.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #126)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:15 PM

137. Plonk

 

Ahh....better.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:59 PM

109. Thank you

Puzzeledtraveller. Look I didn't mean to stir everyone up. I apologize, I just simply wnted to give my personal views on abortion. I just personally feel it's wrong. Don't know why, just how I feel deep down. But go ahead and get an abortion, that's fine with me. It's YOUR choice. I am a passionate Democrat, and joined here for the same reason you did, because we are all Democrats and we can't stand Republicans. I just thought I would give my persobal view. PuzzeledTraveller is the only one who is sticking up for me. My Dad also thinks my view on abortion is weird, but he is not picking on me for it or hating on me, He respects my opinion. I would like it if everyone else did the same. I apologize for the inconvenience, and will never talk about abortion here again. But I am not leaving DU. I love it here. This is the only place where I can go to have my Democratic views match with everyone else. I promise to never, ever, ever talk about abortion on here again.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #109)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:14 PM

135. Please STOP with the confusion

 

YOU came into a DEMOCRATIC site as a relative newbie and decided to throw in a stink bomb. Nobody asked for your opinion, you were not replying in an existing post...YOU STARTED A SHIT STIRRING THREAD. So please knock of the naive "you guys are hating on me." Have fun on DU. LOL!!!!

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #135)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:15 PM

136. Agreed. This reeks of troll shit.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:07 PM

124. On the basis of it being rude, insulting, hurtful, and completely over-the-top.

It's a slap in the face to all women who struggle with a very difficult decision.

But I'm pretty sure you knew that.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #124)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:11 PM

131. No I didn't know that

I am merely supporting the possibility that the poster doesn't quite have their opinion thought out and that the vitriol aimed at them is not productive or helpful to maybe change their mind.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

75. I don't consider anyone Pro-Life. I consider everyone Pro-Choice. You

 

have a choice to an abortion or you have a choice not to have an abortion. Everyone is Pro-Life. I think a woman makes that decision for herself.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

80. i am all for instantly aborting you from DU. you should look into getting adopted

somewhere else

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #80)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:49 PM

85. *snort*

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #85)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:53 PM

93. i wish i could instantly abort things

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:48 PM

81. I too am "pro-life" which is why I'm pro-choice, not anti-choice

I am also against the death penalty and war and poverty and am for sensible gun control and think we need better mental health care in the US (as well as Universal health care)... all things that are pro-life too.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:49 PM

84. I was wrong. You did respond.



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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:49 PM

86. Look, why am I

being hated on. Jimmy Carter is pro-life and he's Democratic. Look, I'm sorry but I have a conservative view on abortion. And that's fine. I have a liberal view on everything else.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:51 PM

91. the articulation of your view is dumber than the view itself

which is part of why you are being "hated on"

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:54 PM

95. It's an important topic for MANY of us. And part of the Democratic platform.

People are expected to support full LGBT rights and are banned for not. YAY!!

Yet... a topic that is specifically stated in the party platform - FULL reproductive rights is still allowed to be fought. FUCK THAT. And fuck your opinion on this matter.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #95)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:56 PM

99. Honest question

What about those dems who specifically carve out a "pro-life" position?

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #99)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:57 PM

102. should be somewhere else insulting women's ability to make reproductive decisions

and not on du.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #102)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:00 PM

110. Exactly. They can commiserate with the homophobes and gun nuts.

Fuck 'em.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #110)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:02 PM

114. there are plenty of anti-marriage equality democrats too

and they too should be somewhere else and not on du.

fuck them all

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #99)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:57 PM

105. What about 'em?

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #105)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

112. Are they not Democrats?

and to be clear I support full choice, as in NO government restrictions on how a man or woman chooses to treat their bodies that also means I think all drugs should be legal too, and a whole plethora of things. My personal view is I hope that whenever possible a woman chooses life. That's my right, to feel that way. I deny noone the right to do what they want or think what they think or feel what they feel.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #112)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:02 PM

115. Perhaps. But they should be banned from DU, just like those who don't support full LGBT rights are.

They should not be allowed to spew their anti-choice bullshit here.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #112)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:02 PM

117. not all democrats are welcome here. you could be a racist democrat

a sexist one, or a homophobic one and you in all these circumstances should not be welcome here

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:02 PM

116. Why Post This? Exactly What Did You Think You Would Achieve?

 

So why did you post this? Please explain your reasoning, I am very curious. Thanks!!!!!

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #116)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:06 PM

122. Either pot stirring

Or the OP wanted to add to their martyr/victim complex...

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:10 PM

127. Maybe people will stop hating on you if you sincerely apologize for the

insulting statement about instantly aborting.

That was utterly beyond the pale, and extremely hurtful to women who struggle with a difficult decision.

You can stop the attacks on you. The ball is in your court. APOLOGIZE, and MEAN IT.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #127)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:15 PM

138. I apologize

for using instantly aborting. I meant to say aborting in general I kind of just typed it wrong. I meant to just say abortion. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. I sincerely feel bad right now. I would never mean to post anything about women that was meant to be demeaning, or insulting. For all the women pissed at me for using "instantly" (which again I did not mean to use), I am sorry.

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Response to Dpm12 (Reply #138)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:17 PM

145. I echo the words above- I think you did this deliberately to start shit.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2358849

YOU came into a DEMOCRATIC site as a relative newbie and decided to throw in a stink bomb. Nobody asked for your opinion, you were not replying in an existing post...YOU STARTED A SHIT STIRRING THREAD. So please knock of the naive "you guys are hating on me." Have fun on DU. LOL!!!!

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:56 PM

101. How far do you take this?

Do you consider preventing implantation is abortion? Do you think that fertilized eggs are people? Do you support all this Repuke anti-women bills? How about trans vaginal sonograms, even for rape victims, at all stages of pregnancy? Do you believe if the Pill MIGHT thin the uterine lining, that is abortion too, and should be banned for "killing babies"? Agree with the current Repuke "science" too?

In today's 2013 world there are far too many HOOPS that women have to jump through just to be able to control their health, and their body.

If you are complacent with what is being LEGISLATED around the country, you are agreement with them by your SILENCE.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #101)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:59 PM

108. My theory is that he is a Cardinal trying out a campaign speech for Pope

and using us as a sounding board.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:57 PM

103. Your opinion doesn't count unless you are a pregnant woman contemplating her own choice.

End of story.

Nobody gets to tell women what they "should" look into, unless that woman is asking for your advice.

I was never pregnant but if I had been, I would have gotten one of them there magic "instant abortions" and never looked back.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:00 PM

111. Another boy for whom history began when he entered first grade (a very few years ago).

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

113. Until the day that men can get pregnant

We need to take a back seat on this issue.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:03 PM

119. I look at this as: "Against Abortion, then don't have one"

My personal opinion on abortion is just that, personal........

That's what pro-choice is all about.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:06 PM

123. The correct term for how you describe yourself is pro-choice. Your choice is to keep

your budding pregnancy, but you also say that you respect another woman's right to choose. There are many pro-choice democrats who would not get an abortion themselves, but think the option should be open to others. Personally, I'm more comfortable keeping all of my options open.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #123)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:11 PM

130. Yes, exactly.

There are other options, but hell, I don't care. Do what you want with your body. It's your choice. Finally someone kinda gets me. I just personally don't agree with the concept of abortion, that's all

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:10 PM

128. Worry about your own damn body, instead of telling others what they "should" do with theirs.

that should be enough.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:10 PM

129. me too

plus i would also be considered a gun nut by some.

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Response to donco (Reply #129)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:13 PM

133. If you're pro-life, then you're anti-death penalty and war, right?

And should also be for sensible gun control laws... that is, if you're pro-life. Otherwise, you're anti-choice.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #133)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:17 PM

143. I am anti-death penalty. n/t

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:13 PM

132. No you're not.

Not if you totally ignore the living woman's physical, mental health....her wants, her dreams, her goals.

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:17 PM

142. You're a man, you're against abortion, so you know what?

You can go fuck yourself.

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #142)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:18 PM

146. .

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Response to Dpm12 (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:18 PM

147. Yeah, it could be another Manson. Or Hitler.

Children forced on women who don't want them don't do well.

But then, it's not your problem until they grow up, is it?

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