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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:56 AM

The New Cost of Dying in Ohio: Kasich's 20 proposed "Death Taxes"

In his first budget Governor Kasich killed Ohio’s Estate Tax which he said was driving wealthy Ohioans to Florida. The tax was applied to estates valued over $338,000 – only about 7% of those in Ohio. The bulk of the tax was paid to local governments and eliminating it removed $250 million a year from local coffers. The effect was felt throughout the state and impacted important public safety services like police and fire.

The Estate Tax typically impacted well-off individuals with high-value estates but this year Kasich plans to institute a whole series of new “service” taxes that will hit everyone and will have a much bigger impact of those with lower incomes.

One new tax that stood out was for funeral services.

Unlike movies or bowling, which will also be taxed under the new plan, paying for a funeral is generally not a choice. And the costs will hit families of all income levels already dealing with the emotional and financial struggles of losing a family member. A host of other related services will also be taxed under Kasich’s plan…



Did your loved one leave you with a house?
Property sales agents and real estate title abstract services are now taxed.

Was the home full of personal items?
Packing and crating and intrastate courier service are now taxed.

Did your loved one leave you to handle his/her estate and finances?
Accounting, Bookkeeping,Tax return preparation, Legal services, Insurance services, Investment counseling, Loan broker fees and service charges of banking institutions are now all taxable.

Need your suit cleaned for the funeral?
Laundry and dry cleaning services

Or your hair cut?
Cutting, coloring, styling of hair

Traveling to the funeral?
Travel agent services are now taxed and you’ll be taxed when you park your car at the airport.

Want to run an obituary in the paper?
Sales of advertising time or space are now taxed.

Kasich’s 2013 budget was most certainly written with an eye to the 2014 election, with the Governor hoping to cast himself as the guy who cut Ohio’s income tax. But choosing to greatly expand Ohio’s sales tax to offset the costs could backfire. Instead of closing tax loop holes, which impact only a few individuals or businesses, Kasich chose to enact a tax increase on every Ohioan who sees a movie and every Ohio small business that uses a lawyer and an account.


Full Story: http://www.plunderbund.com/2013/02/11/the-new-cost-of-dying-in-ohio-kasichs-20-proposed-death-taxes/

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Reply The New Cost of Dying in Ohio: Kasich's 20 proposed "Death Taxes" (Original post)
samplegirl Feb 2013 OP
ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2013 #1
kentauros Feb 2013 #2
samplegirl Feb 2013 #4
kentauros Feb 2013 #6
ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2013 #11
kentauros Feb 2013 #14
hfojvt Feb 2013 #12
kentauros Feb 2013 #16
hfojvt Feb 2013 #17
Maeve Feb 2013 #25
kentauros Feb 2013 #27
samplegirl Feb 2013 #28
Howler Feb 2013 #18
kentauros Feb 2013 #19
Howler Feb 2013 #21
kentauros Feb 2013 #22
Howler Feb 2013 #23
kentauros Feb 2013 #24
Howler Feb 2013 #26
samplegirl Feb 2013 #3
CTyankee Feb 2013 #5
ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2013 #7
CTyankee Feb 2013 #10
burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #8
nc4bo Feb 2013 #9
theglammistress Feb 2013 #13
ChoppinBroccoli Feb 2013 #20
hfojvt Feb 2013 #15
jmowreader Feb 2013 #29

Response to samplegirl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:23 AM

1. Start Packing Your Shit, K-Suck

Better start making plans for what you're going to be doing in 2 years, K-Suck. You could always go back to Lehman Brothers if you hadn't............you know..............bankrupted the company (in much the same way you're bankrupting Ohio).

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:28 AM

2. Does this mean I get to bash ALL of Ohio for its republican governor?

I mean, fair is fair

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Response to kentauros (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:33 AM

4. I really don't know how this

idiot got elected. I would think Ohio would of learned by now....SB5 prime example.

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Response to samplegirl (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:48 AM

6. As my only sources of info on the politics of Ohio are

DU and Wikipedia, I choose the latter, because it's more immediate in what I need. That is, all of the following are republicans in Ohio:

Governor
Lt. Governor
Sec. of State
Treasurer
Attn. General

One U.S. Senator
12 U.S. Representatives (out of sixteen total)

I don't have the time to research the state rep/Sen seats, but a cursory glance shows plenty of republican voters there. The fact that all of the upper state positions are republican at this time shows me that Ohio is as deserving of the "bashing" my home state gets almost non-stop. I don't mean to say that it should be bashed any more than my own state should receive the same. That was my whole point originally

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Response to kentauros (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:57 AM

11. Ohio Voters Really Let Themselves Down In 2010

The Republican takeover happened because pouty Democratic voters threw a little temper tantrum and didn't bother showing up to vote in 2010 because they wanted to "send a message." Well, they sent a message, all right. Because of their short-sightedness, now we have to endure endless right-wing lunacy in Ohio (see Senate Bill 5, for example, and Rob Portman voting against Jobs Bills and equal protection for women). And now that they're in power, they're gaming the system so that they never have to leave. Ohio is now gerrymandered to the point that it will be extremely difficult for the Democrats to regain what little inroads they were able to make in 2008 (and thanks to a right-wing-funded media blitz, the good voters of Ohio voted down a bill that would prevent politicians from being able to gerrymander further). Thanks, "principled" Democrats. You REALLY sent a message.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:03 AM

14. I do feel sorry for what y'all now have to endure.

And I would never bash y'all for short-sighted choices by other voters. I only wish the rest of DU could be as magnanimous towards Texas (and the rest of the south) in the same way, especially whenever Perry opens his idiotic trap. I'd never suggest another state go ahead and secede due to republican stupidity

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Response to kentauros (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:57 AM

12. you need a new source

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Ohio_Senate

Republicans control the house 61-38 and the senate 23-10

I never thought of Ohio as being red before, but that's almost as bad as the Kansas legislature.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:05 AM

16. Thank you :)

I don't think I need to use it now, but thanks for posting the link for everyone else

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Response to kentauros (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:08 AM

17. sometimes

I am a helpful sort of bear

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:41 AM

25. Can y'all say 'gerrymandered'?

Because we have been--the state is not as red as it is drawn, to borrow from Jessica Rabbit.

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Response to Maeve (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:49 AM

27. That can be true for any state

and often is. The results are a misrepresentation of the vote, skewing towards the worst and then people see that as what the "majority" wants. Nothing could be further from the truth!

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Response to Maeve (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:58 AM

28. Not to mention

cheated with dirtiest of tactics.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:08 AM

18. Sure Kentauros.

You can bash Ohio. Speaking has another A-hole from O-ho. We still havent created and sent to the whitehouse a bush or a Rick Perry!!! HHHHOOOWWWLLLLLL! Just What is in the water there?

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Response to Howler (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:12 AM

19. The same thing is in the water here,

that gave the country the likes of Barbara Jordan and Bill Moyers. It's probably all the cheap oil

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Response to kentauros (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:16 AM

21. HHHHHOOOOOWWWWWLLLLLLLL!

Well....at least its not Kansas who took science out of the school textbooks and put in intelligent design. LMAO!!!...or...er... tried anyways.

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Response to Howler (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:20 AM

22. I often wonder what kind of punishment teachers would get

if they taught from college or even other state textbooks, and had their students toss out the "official" books? I suspect suspension, but it would be interesting to see it happen all the same

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Response to kentauros (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:33 AM

23. Yeah it would.

But Teachers are in the main firring lines these days. I don't understand it. When I was growing up we respected them and understood that they weren't getting paid enough for the tremendous job that they do. Now-a- days I think its tragic that they seem to be the target for so many ignorant and misguided folks.Sigh.

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Response to Howler (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:37 AM

24. What's so bizarre about that, too,

is that those same parents were educated by those teachers and with the older textbooks that had the science in them. Did they get stupider as they aged?

My hope is that the students will rebel and learn the basics anyway, despite their "elders" wishes

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Response to kentauros (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:46 AM

26. Hey! In this day and age...

With all the information out on the internet you have to be really intent and purposeful in staying ignorant. The questions and the answers are just a few clicks away.

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:32 AM

3. I don't think Ohio will make it another

2 years with this puke.....seriously.

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Response to samplegirl (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:39 AM

5. Why doesn't he just go ahead and put a tax on food?

I don't mean restaurant or prepared food, but basic groceries. Folks gotta eat. You could prolly raise enough off that to lower taxes on the rich even more! Think of that!

Start with a basic salt tax, why doncha Kasich? You know, just like in the olden days...

Sheesh, that guy is insane...

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:50 AM

7. You Can't Tax Salt In Ohio

Why not? The same reason why Ohio continues to put salt on its roads in the wintertime despite the scientific FACT that salt doesn't work when the temperature gets below a certain point (I think it's about 20 degrees). The Morton's Salt mine under Lake Erie. You start taxing salt and you'll be taxing RICH PEOPLE (you know, "job creators"). And Lord knows we can't have THAT.

As someone who works in the legal services field, I'll be very interested to see how Republicans can justify charging SALES tax when there is nothing SOLD. I'll be particularly interested to see how the Republican-controlled Ohio Supreme Court bends over backwards to uphold this when it comes before them, as well.

2014 can't get here soon enough. I'm already practicing saying the phrase, "Governor Cordray."

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Response to ChoppinBroccoli (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:55 AM

10. Back in the day, salt taxes caused riots in the streets...maybe we need that to get

people upset enough to throw the Kasich's of this country out of office on their asses...

Good luck on getting this creep out. Maybe people have had enough. I hear that Kasich is really unpopular...

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Response to samplegirl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:51 AM

8. And this is the idiot

who believes that the BLS is a leftist organization.
All I have to say to him is: don't curse the mirror if your face is ugly.

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Response to samplegirl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:53 AM

9. Didn't Gov. Willard Mitt Romney pull the same/similar crap in Mass.?

These dumb Governors (including the newly elected idiot sockpuppet in NC) should go have a nice fireside chat with Mitty and ask him how all that worked out for him.

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Response to samplegirl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:59 AM

13. I'm an Ohioan. There's no way this guy is getting re-elected.

I was stunned when he got in to begin with. Trust me, people of this state have no love loss for Kasich.

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Response to theglammistress (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:12 AM

20. He Won By The Slimmest Of Margins

Had Democratic voters actually SHOWN UP on Election Day 2010, he would have gone down hard. And if Ohio can run someone.........ANYONE........credible against him in 2014, he'll get booted. I happen to believe that Richard Cordray will come back to Ohio to run against him, but there are many who believe that he'll stay in Washington to continue his good work with the Consumer Protection group Obama appointed him to run (although now I'm hearing he may not be "confirmed" to that post?--I don't know how this can be, since he's been running that agency for over a year now).

All that being said, I'm now starting to hear the media reporting that Kasich's approval numbers are up. How, I have no idea. After the whole SB5 spanking he took, his approval ratings were nearly as low as Taft's were. What has happened in the meantime to cause them to go up, I couldn't tell you, because it doesn't appear that he's actually DONE anything other than raid Ohio's coffers and give all the money to his rich buddies.

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Response to samplegirl (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:05 AM

15. are those extra taxes

or just sales taxes applied to services that used to be exempt?

because I don't see a good reason to exempt many of those services from sales taxes. Even funerals. A funeral itself is not a choice, but the type of funeral certainly is, and if the $2,000 funeral is exempt then so is the $25,000 funeral. And adding a mere $210 in taxes to a $3,000 funeral is not the major expense.

Obiutuaries are usually free up to a certain length, because they sell papers.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:54 PM

29. Death notices are free, obits are not

The death notices we run at my paper give name, age, city of residence and date of death. I think all papers print these free.

Obits are not free. They're not a huge moneymaker but we do charge for them. My paper charges $55 for the first 350 words, $50 for every 250 words after that and $10 per photo. Most of our obits are either $65 or $115 but I put a $245 obit in the paper once - a thousand words and four pictures. Some papers limit obit lengths but we don't.

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