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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:29 AM

Ted Nugent : "these imbeciles in the armed forces"

October 1977 interview

High Times: How did you get out of the draft?

Ted Nugent: Ted was a young boy, appearing to be a hippie but quite opposite in fact, working hard and playing hard, playing rock and roll like a deviant. People would question my sanity, I played so much. So I got my notice to be in the draft. Do you think I was gonna lay down my guitar and go play army? Give me a break! I was busy doin’ it to it. I had a career Jack. If I was walkin’ around, hippying down, getting’ loaded and pickin’ my ass like your common curs, I’d say “Hey yeah, go in the army. Beats the poop out of scuffin’ around in the gutters.” But I wasn’t a gutter dog. I was a hard workin’, motherfuckin’ rock and roll musician.

I got my physical notice 30 days prior to. Well, on that day I ceased cleansing my body. No more brushing my teeth, no more washing my hair, no baths, no soap, no water. Thirty days of debris build. I stopped shavin’ and I was 18, had a little scraggly beard, really looked like a hippie. I had long hair, and it started gettin’ kinky, matted up. Then two weeks before, I stopped eating any food with nutritional value. I just had chips, Pepsi, beer-stuff I never touched-buttered poop, little jars of Polish sausages, and I’d drink the syrup, I was this side of death, Then a week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. poop, piss the whole shot. My pants got crusted up.

See, I approached the whole thing like, Ted Nugent, cool hard-workin’ dude, is gonna wreak havoc on these imbeciles in the armed forces. I’m gonna play their own game, and I’m gonna destroy ‘em. Now my whole body is crusted in poop and piss. I was ill. And three or four days before, I started stayin’ awake. I was close to death, but I was in control. I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine. Talk about one wounded motherfucker. A guy put up four lines, and it was for all four of us, but I didn’t know and I’m vacuuming that poop right up. I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop. I was six-foot-three of sin. So the guys took me down to the physical, and my nerves, my emotions were distraught. I was not a good person. I was wounded. But as painful and nauseous as it was – ‘cause I was really into bein’ clean and on the ball – I made gutter swine hippies look like football players. I was deviano.

So I went in, and those guys in uniform couldn’t believe the smell. They were ridiculin’ me and pushin’ me around and I was cryin’, but all the time I was laughin’ to myself. When they stuck the needle in my arm for the blood test I passed out, and when I came to they were kicking me into the wall. Then they made everybody take off their pants, and I did, and this sergeant says, “Oh my God, put those back on! You fucking swine you!” Then they had a urine test and I couldn’t piss, But my poop was just like ooze, man, so I poop in the cup and put it on the counter. I had poop on my hand and my arm. The guy almost puked. I was so proud. I knew I had these chumps beat. The last thing I remember was wakin’ up in the ear test booth and they were sweepin’ up. So I went home and cleaned up.

They took a putty knife to me. I got the street rats out of my hair, ate some good steaks, beans, potatoes, cottage cheese, milk. A couple of days and I was ready to kick ass. And in the mail I got this big juicy 4-F. They’d call dead people before they’d call my ass. But you know the funny thing about it? I’d make an incredible army man. I’d be a colonel before you knew what hit you, and I’d have the baddest bunch of motherfuckin’ killers you’d ever seen in my platoon. But I just wasn’t into it. I was too busy doin’ my own thing, you know?

(posted for the Google incapable media, because if I see Nugent getting more camera time and fawning than the honorable men and women in uniform attending tonight, I will lose it.)

Sources:
http://dangerousminds.net/comments/draft_dodging_republican_hero_ted_nugent_endorses_mitt_romney

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/nugent.asp

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riverwalker Feb 2013 OP
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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:37 AM

1. He's disgusting. nt.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:41 AM

2. What a great American.

We should all be proud of this "patriot."

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:29 PM

82. And he'll be in the audience at the SOTU and getting major air time tonight on the MSM.

I found articles about his racist rants about wanting to get rid of blacks and immigrants last night but couldn't get a major source. And he's gonna be sitting up there - it makes me sick. I wonder how many of the repukes will make noises and act rude this time.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:10 PM

84. So basically he was so afraid of going to war he shitted on himself for 2 weeks

moron

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Response to Heather MC (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:56 PM

100. More like he was afraid of going to jail.

Don't want to ship, just tell them you won't fight, don't show up, don't participate. They might toss you in the clink but at least then you would have stood up for yourself, not played games like this jackass chicken hawk did.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:26 AM

118. Your kind of guy?

Or are you being facetious?

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Response to cartach (Reply #118)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:11 AM

123. Was my usage of the eye-rolling smiley not enough of a giveaway?

Guess I need to get a sarcasm translator.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:45 AM

3. "I was a walking, talking hunk of human poop."

Some things never change.

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Response to VOX (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:47 AM

5. Yeah, I was going to say that at least he's consistent . . .

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Response to hatrack (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:00 PM

101. The level of unbending consistency normally credited to Ron Paul by his fan club

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Response to VOX (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:51 AM

50. yup still is

a real patriot
maybe he will run for office, we need more poopsters like this running our country

yes

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Response to VOX (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:36 PM

74. I was going to quote that same line but you beat me to it. "Human poop" is what he is.

 

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Response to VOX (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:10 PM

80. +1

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Response to VOX (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:13 PM

108. That is basically what I thought when I read that.

Okay, to be exact: "Well, at least your outsides properly resemble your insides." A special kind of honesty, really.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:47 AM

4. Turn the tables

and this story would be all over the media before the SOTU.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:48 AM

6. And this man is the hero to the right-wing, amazing. n-t

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:53 AM

7. Can we do a mass email of this article to the idiot Congressman who invited him?

You know, for being a "true patriot?"

What's the Rep's email?

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:01 AM

33. Rep. Steve Stockman (R[ancid]-Texas)

http://stockman.house.gov/

https://stockman.house.gov/contact/email-me

326 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

phone: 202-225-1555
hours: M-F 9-5:30pm ET

https://stockman.house.gov/contact/invite-me-to-speak

Personally, I think Stockman should be invited to speak to every VFW lodge in the country and explain his admiration of Theodore Anthony Nugent.

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Response to klook (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:05 AM

35. I just sent the story to Rep. Stockman

but to get through security you will need
a zip code .... 75966 3033
an address .... 418 North Rusk St. Newton, TX (it is a bank)

God Bless Google and these United States of America

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Response to Botany (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:40 AM

45. As did I ..

Thanks for getting an address.
Hope I don't have a SWAT Team visit.

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Response to Botany (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:47 AM

47. OMG, that bank has a "Tommy Gunn" on its Board! Seriously!!




(I sent my message in his name!)

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:00 AM

8. And he'd do it all again ...

if he ever had to face someone with a gun. So much for leading his buddies in revolt.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:01 AM

9. I really wish someone would remind him that he was a draft dodger and shut

his pie hole up

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:04 AM

10. Maybe, maybe

Maybe little Ted should have become a Mormon instead of a moron. Maybe they would have sent him to France.

Or maybe he should have walked in, sung a couple of bars of Alice's Restaurant and walked out...

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Response to Godot51 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:47 AM

26. Ted should join

The People's Temple.

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Response to Godot51 (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:12 AM

37. Maybe, maybe

Thousands upon 10's of thousands of good Mormon's have served honorably in the US Military.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:08 AM

11. Shit

Unfortunately so many nra people think he is so cool, he has always been a worthless piece of shit and will die that way. Just WTF is happening to congress when they invite him to the SOTU, how disgusting, the gop has hit a new low. A real insult to our military.

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Response to mtasselin (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:42 AM

46. It is not CONGRESS inviting him.

It is, as you mention, one of those sick, demented Teapers.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:09 AM

12. Wow!

What a hero! NOT.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:09 AM

13. This is priceless nt.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:19 AM

14. So, he was a fucking coward

A despicable coward at that! While the rest of us were doing the right thing, this cowardly motherfucking piece of shit wormed his way out of serving...and he's proud of that? HE woulda been fragged before he got outta bootcamp

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Response to Uben (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:48 AM

28. Or he could have gone all Mitch McConnell

and got caught giving hand jobs in the shower.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:20 AM

15. he coulda been a colonel.. my ass!

this guy sure thinks a lot of himself, sick fucker.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:49 AM

29. Colonel Sin-que (NT)

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:22 AM

16. Aaaaaaaaaand the hits keep on comin'

What a waste of skin.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:24 AM

17. HOW DO YOU SPELL COWARD?

I spell it N-U-G-E-N-T, he's a blight, but this makes me remember his Jail or Death Promise...I await.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:27 AM

18. Amazing that someone had the guts to call him a Patriot..

Who ever did that, should have their head examined.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:50 AM

30. Patriot is

Republican code for bigot.

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Response to The Wizard (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:34 PM

90. I couldn't agree more! nt

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:09 PM

68. His host Stockman (Repugnant) called him a "patriot". nt

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:32 AM

19. "Youthful indiscretions . . ."

Now, now. Don't get too excited. These comments by "Uncle Ted" are best considered as simply examples of, "Youthful indiscretions." It's the same as when we found out that George W. Bush had been a coke head, had gotten arrested for drunk driving and had paid for at least one abortion, all while in his late twenties (or early thirties, whichever it was). The country still saw fit to follow W into two unnecessary wars, right?

Let's wait and see what Ted does when he attends the State of the Union address (as Representative Steve Stockman's personal guest). I'm sure he will be fascinating.

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Response to another_liberal (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:51 AM

49. Stockman should be held personally responsible for this fuck's actions.

How the hell to you invite a man who has publicly threatened the president and sec of state to the sotu address?

crazy flocks to crazy.

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Response to backtoblue (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:44 PM

77. Agreed!

The odds a jerk like Nugent will respectfully hold his peace until after the President finishes his remarks are almost nonexistent. Stockman should be made accountable for whatever happens.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:37 AM

20. Ted Nugent: such a proud, honorable American (not)

I wonder if those crowds cheering him on when he speaks lies about President Obama know his history. Shame on them if they don't, because Nugent shouldn't be cheered, he should be booed off stage. The man is a disgrace, and seems to be quite proud of his successful attempt to avoid military service.

If the crowd does know Nugent's history, double shame on them because no true American would cheer a man who has shown how little he values his country, and no true American would support such disrespect for the President of the United States, a man who was elected for office twice by a big majority of the people.

I think it's disgraceful that Nugent will be at the State of the Union.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:51 AM

31. Ted would do us a favor

drinking a Drano cocktail.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:38 AM

21. Thank you. We should post links back to this thread if any media uses these quotes

If Nugent is looking for media attention this is a great place to start.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:40 PM

83. Here's some pictures to go viral with it:

The GOP version of manhood:



The GOP supporting the troops:



The GOP on gun control:



Last, but not least:





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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:44 AM

22. If Nugent was standing in front of me I would PUNCH him in the face

Punk ass!!!!!

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:45 AM

23. Things don't change.

He still is a walking piece of excrement!

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:45 AM

24. What a fucking moronic asshole.

I don't normally wish ill on anyone....but I wouldn't lose sleep if something excruciatingly painful afflicted his groinal area.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:48 AM

64. I am thinking bear trap. nt

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #64)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:35 PM

72. Quite.

a flaming bear trap.

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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #72)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:00 PM

104. If he gets what I want him to get...

trapped in a bear trap, he will wish it was on fire.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:46 AM

25. TED NUGENT really went out of his way to be a P***Y WIMP!

There is no other way to read that Snopes article than to see Nugent for a complete Coward and Chicken Hawk.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:48 AM

27. He and the walking pilodinal cyst, Limbaugh

And Cheney, and W., et al - cowards, every one of them, who are always ready to send other people's children to their deaths with zero skin in the game themselves.

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Response to Faygo Kid (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:11 AM

36. Chickenhawkery is a core Republican tradition

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Almost all Republican "thought leaders" are draft dodgers or otherwise qualify as freaking pathetic chickenhawks.

The list of chickenhawk Republican 'leaders' is staggeringly -- and revealingly -- long.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:40 PM

103. Love the list may it never be forgotten.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:58 AM

32. But you're ready to serve NOW

right, Ted?

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:05 AM

34. Nugent (R) shits on America and our sons and daughters in uniform

...this is the stinking degenerate 'Family Values' these whacko Republicans embrace.

Why do Republicans like Nugent (R) hate America and our sons and daughters in uniform?

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:13 AM

38. He was too busy "doin his thang" b/c he is "special!" Repugs are only about themselves.

They are the party of "me 1st!" They always think that they have a special case, that they are different from the rest of common humanity. They are only right about half of that. They re no different than the rest of us except they cannot do what it takes to work their way up. Instead of hard work, they call an uncle or family friend to get that higher position w/o paying the dues for it. They have to justify what they do so they put down the rest of us and say we are undeserving and inferior. How Ted Nugent can think that what he did was cool is beyond me.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:20 AM

41. I was sort of hoping while reading that to see he had some

moral objection to the war itself .... I thought maybe he'd turned into a right-wing nut later. Turns out he was just a selfish, lazy chicken*.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:22 PM

71. I can summarize the entire Republican platform in four words...

Mine! Mine mine MINE!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #38)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:20 AM

120. That's the comment that irks me most...

"I had better things to do !" Really ??!!

Just like Dick Cheeney and all the other cowards who
feel it's the other man's place to die for his country.
He shows absolutely no shame, no remorse, and
no insight regarding his actions. He actually brags
about what he's done.

I'm sure the other DU's here with the Viet Nam Ribbon
icons have strong feelings about this pretend tough-guy.

He was "too busy", had "other things to do", and decided
to opt out of the draft.
OK -- If I were in his place, I may have done similar things in
order to avoid dying. BUT he doesn't admit to being afraid --
just being "too busy". And he brags about getting away with
it as if it is a source of PRIDE !

The justification of cowardice in typical chickenhawk fashion.
Talk the Talk -- but can't Walk the Walk...

What he neglects to (or chooses not to) acknowledge is
that ANOTHER YOUNG MAN WENT TO VIET NAM IN HIS PLACE.
The thought that another man may have DIED because I
avoided combat and expected that man to take my place
is a thought that would haunt my conscience forever.

But therein lies the nut of his psyche. This piece of shit has no
conscience. He lives in a world of delusion, conceit, self-importance,
and SHAMELESSNESS.

Republicans are impervious to Cognitive Dissonance.
Within the same paragraph, he laughs about getting away with
a deception and then crows about his grandiose fantasy
about being tough enough to become a Colonel. War and Patriotism
are nothing more than John-Wayne-movie jingoism to a chickenhawk.

His world view and his view of himself are totally removed
from anything resembling reality. I HATE PEOPLE LIKE HIM!
Please, somebody, somewhere, kick this guys ass.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:13 AM

39. Nugent fits right in with the chickenhawk repubs

When it's their turn to serve the country that protects them and gives them opportunity, they shrink from service. But they are more than willing to talk the talk but won't walk the walk. Phoneys all of them.

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Response to life long demo (Reply #39)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:14 AM

112. +1000

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:19 AM

40. He's still a walking hulk of human poop

The word that comes to mind is vulgar.

As my mother would say, "Foolish names and foolish faces always show up in public places."

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:23 AM

42. Oh good grief

I had read articles that mentioned how the Motor City Motor Mouth got out of being drafted for Vietnam and was mildly repulsed. But to read a first hand account of it from the Nuge itself, along with the self-congratulatory expressions of delight in his actions and editorial side comments about how wonderful he was as a musician and all around human being, turned my distaste for Nugent into dislike and disdain. What a total putz.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:28 AM

43. I was an infantry platoon leader in Vietnam

While Ted was dodging the draft, I was an infantry platoon leader in Vietnam. The normal tour of duty was 12 months . . . I was in the bush for 10 months, received two minor wounds then was hit badly and evacuated to the States.

During the 10 months I led an infantry platoon, 30 of my soldiers were killed. For those of you not familiar with Army organization, an infantry platoon is supposed to have 43 people (that is, at that time 43 was a platoon). Because of killed, wounded, and sick, my platoon rarely had more than 35. Losing an average of 3 guys a month killed and double that many wounded really hurt.

But what hurt more was picking up a 20-year-old with the side of his head blown off and stuffing him into a body bag. I left Vietnam in 1970. Today I'm 68 years old and still, every so often, ghosts and monsters come out of the woods surrounding my home.

How many young men didn't have the resources Ted Nugent had? How many young men died in his place?

Ted Nugent is not worth a pile of cold dog shit. If Nugent gave a concert on my front porch, I swear I would introduce him to Mr. Remington.

Delete this violent comment if you wish but every word of it is true.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:49 AM

48. Salute

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:06 AM

53. Thanks

from another old grunt.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:07 AM

54. Thank you for your service

?w=720&h=404

Jim Rudd was the older brother of a childhood buddy ..... the day I saw the
marine car and the Episcopal priest across the street was the day that everything
changed in my neighborhood .... Jim made it to 19.

Don't let Ted get your blood pressure up he is not worth it.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:54 PM

97. If you hadn't been there

to teach the replacements the ropes just think how many more would have died. Sometimes death was by chance. But sometimes you made a difference. Remember that part sometimes too. It won't help the dreaming moments. Maybe it'll help the waking moments after.

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Response to OldRedneck (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:04 AM

111. You, sir, are a patriot.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:34 AM

44. "I had a career Jack."

So did thousands of young men - teachers, mechanics, factory workers, farmers, and on and on - yet they served their country, and many didn't come home.

Nugent is a despicable piece of cowardly shit.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:02 AM

51. As with all these RW psychopath sickos, it is all and only about him not others or duty.

If it wasnt for guns Glenn Beck and racism he would be a washed up old rocker never heard from or praised and not at the SOTU.
He never placed on the charts after the 80's
Media made him popular again 30 yrs later to people ignorant of many things including his past.
He is still riding the $$$ train fwiw imo

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:06 AM

52. The Not So Perfect Patriot---great title for a biography about him.

I hope someone will write it and include every word of that interview, along with his other rantings and ravings.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:07 AM

55. I enlisted in 1973

Got my parents signature since I wasn't 18 and joined the Marines.

Then I got spit on and derided as a baby killer.

True Americans answer the call. Look at the number of Hollywood stars, sports stars and even Elvis who put careers on hold to serve and even die! (Looking at you, Glenn Miller!)

Nugent is the gutter dog he sees in others.

Secret Service! Do not let him pass! The President is firewalled when it comes to security matters, so just do it!

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:08 AM

56. That's true American patriotism for you.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:16 AM

57. The hero of the right wing

He now claims he made all this up just to screw with the "hippie reporter". I say bullshit. Like Dick Cheney, he had better things to do, so he went all affirmative action and let some black kid go to Vietnam.

Own it, you Red bastards!

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Response to WhoIsNumberNone (Reply #57)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:20 PM

70. Whether he soiled himself or not, he definitely avoided serving in a war he claims he supported



That should be enough to justify banning the word patriot from ever being used as a reference to Nugent.


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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:22 AM

58. I'm posting this on other websites.

Just in case people don't know what he's really like.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:28 AM

59. Every imbecile fawning over Nugent needs to see this

...especially the elected idiot that invited him to the State of the Union address....and his entire constituency.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:33 AM

60. It's not like we didn't know this already

but it appears to come straight from the horses, er asses, mouth.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:43 AM

61. A very interesting read, but what I really want to know is;

was this before or after he became a pedophile?

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:52 AM

62. I guess war is for "gutter dogs"

Not this fine, honorable piece of shit (literally).

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:57 AM

63. Yeah Mr. Pants Crap Fever is one to talk negative about the troops.

Really Ted you're the Milli Vanilli of patriotism. Fuck off douchebag.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:49 AM

65. Rec'd for visibiity. nt

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:53 AM

66. I reported for my draft physical the same year Ted did

Last edited Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:21 PM - Edit history (1)

The Army didn't start out so bad. After Basic, Leadership School, Advanced Infantry training, and training troops they sent me to Infantry Officer Candidate School for 6 months and I came out a 2nd Lieutenant at 19. At 20, as a 1st Lt., I was leading an Infantry rifle platoon of the 101st Airborne Division in the jungles of Vietnam. I'm only half-joking when I say that the instant hot chocolate my Mom sent me from home helped me face those challenges.

My war ended when I caught AK fire that blew away half my teeth and jaw and put a baseball-sized hole in my shoulder. The Army promoted me to Captain, and after 18 months in the hospital they retired me for partial disability.

Many years after the war I returned to Vietnam three times. I laughed--and cried--with former allies and enemies-ARVNs, VC and NVA. I have more in common with them than I ever will with chickenhawk wannabe-Rambos like Ted Nugent.

ETA: I decided to post this as an OP in the Veterans Group: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11792583

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:03 PM

67. 'oh, but I'da been a BAD ASS if I'd have gone!'

Fucking chickenhawks.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:15 PM

69. Just another average Republican chickenshit. nt

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:35 PM

73. "I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine."

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:36 PM

75. The patriotism is thick in this thread

There's nothing wrong with draft dodging. Serve America? Fuck that. You get one life, so why give it up so that some profiteer can report a better quarter to his shareholders, or some deadbeat politician can pretend to be a "patriot" and pander to hawkish voters? There are legitimate wars...like the war to free Europe from the Nazi's, or the war to free the slaves. Wars of self-defense are always legitimate. Wars to help your neighbors and allies defend themselves are often so too. Those wars are worth laying your life down for, because dying in a war like that really does contribute to the greater good. But noble wars are a rarity, and most are simply about gaining profit and power. Iraq? Afghanistan? Panama? Vietnam? Not so much. Hundreds of thousands of lives, wasted in wars for nothing of consequence or value. Those soldiers died to help a politician win an election. They died for nothing.

Nugent isn't a worthless piece of shit because he dodged the draft. In fact, I'll grudgingly admit that his methodology was a bit genius. Nugent is a worthless piece of shit because he dodged the draft and now INSISTS that others fight and die for the same useless wars that he so rightly avoided. He's garbage because he's a typical right-wing hypocrite. He plays by one set of rules while insisting that everyone else play by another. He's an asshole because he claims to support "freedom", while arguing to have rights and freedom stripped from millions of people because they don't share his moral views. To him, the only life that has value is HIS. To him, the only rights that have value are the ones HE supports.

Oppose Nugent for THOSE reasons. But don't smear the countless tens of thousands of Americans who have rightly opposed, evaded, and undermined the corrupt American MIC simply because Nugent happened to be a draft dodger. There is NOTHING wrong with refusing to cooperate with the military, and the world would be a much better place if more people did so. America would be a much better place if NOBODY enlisted, and EVERYBODY dodged the draft. It is not the "right thing" to kill people because a politician said so. It is not "cowardly" to refuse the call to serve in an unjust war. The bravest man isn't the one who kills on command, but the one who refuses to do so.

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Response to Xithras (Reply #75)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:58 AM

117. Don't worry, I think the vast majority of us DUers would agree with you on that.

Nugent is a worthless piece of shit because he dodged the draft and now INSISTS that others fight and die for the same useless wars that he so rightly avoided. He's garbage because he's a typical right-wing hypocrite. He plays by one set of rules while insisting that everyone else play by another. He's an asshole because he claims to support "freedom", while arguing to have rights and freedom stripped from millions of people because they don't share his moral views. To him, the only life that has value is HIS. To him, the only rights that have value are the ones HE supports.


This x1000. 'nuff said.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:42 PM

76. I think he should be surrounded by families who have lost someone to gun violence

I'm sure a lot of those people will be holding pictures of their loved ones. If possible, NUTgent could be shamed into silence. Or how about a posse of Secret service agents breathing down his neck surrounding him. He would be definitely shitting his pants then.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:03 PM

78. Gosh. What a lot things he thinks about himself.


And lots and lots of emotional reactions to go with the things. Certainly a head that is very busy with thoughts.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:05 PM

79. the GOP calls this gutless coward a PATRIOT

says a lot about the GOP, doesn't it?

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:17 PM

81. Funny how that moron still thinks he is fooling people with his anti-drug bullshit.

"Just this one time..."

Funny dat.

People that knew him back in the day say there was nothing he wouldn't ingest. Most of the time on the road he was wacked out of his gourd, according to the bigger names he opened for.


And his 'high morals', always berating 'hippies' for their 'free love'...

Ted Nugent fathered SEVEN kids with FIVE different women, to which only two of whom he was married.





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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:33 PM

85. I only need 4 letters to describe Mr. Poopy Pants.

And I can even make 2 words from those 4 letters that describe him to a T. EVIL and VILE!

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:59 PM

86. What a despicable piece of filth.

And THIS is what the repubs want as a frontman. Doesn't that just say it all? Simply a disgusting, worthless piece of trash he is.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:01 PM

87. Perfect example

This is a prime example of background check requirement. Lunatic behaviour

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:11 PM

88. This guy revels in his disgusting and con man style behavior.

And he ain't much of a musician either.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:29 PM

89. How is this fool getting into the SOTU address? They should block him at entering.

Probably some right wing nut gun toting NRA freak politician got him invited. He should be in jail.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:35 PM

91. Crystl meth was real in the 70's? I didnt know that

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Response to benld74 (Reply #91)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:04 PM

93. It showed up widely in the 60s.

A lot of chem majors dropped out and started cooking and selling the stuff, then the bikers took it over. It's been around for a long time.

Alarmed at what was happening to their friends who liked it enough to do it exclusively and excessively, the hippies started a "speed kills" campaign. Meth went underground, staying with bikers and the occasional long distance trucker, until the drug war got successful at slowing down the crack trade.

Every time they jump on one drug, a worse one always appears.

End the drug war, people, we lost a long time ago.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:44 PM

92. -----------"I was extremely antidrug as I’ve always been, but I snorted some crystal methedrine"

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:12 PM

94. what makes me angry is that the MSM will probably fawn over him

This makes me sick. There is no thread on CNN on the gun violence victims getting seats but there is one on just him. cNN. Is shit.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:13 PM

95. I would like to know the real story.

This nut makes shit up. I would really like to know the real story. Maybe he couldn't shoot straight. Ha! Wouldn't THAT be something.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #95)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:02 AM

121. Undoubtedly an exaggeration but pant-shitting draft-dodging at the core, assuredly. nt

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:17 PM

96. You and me both, riverwalker

You and me both.

K&R

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:57 PM

98. Coward

So, Ted Nugent is a coward. When I read the post, yesterday, about how Nugent had been invited to the State of the Union address the post included comments Nugent had made about President Obama, Secretary Clinton, and Senators Boxer and Feinstein. It seemed to me that none of what Nugent had said about those individuals was said to their faces. That made me think Nugent was a coward. This to me confirms to me that Nugent is a coward.

Yes, more people in the news media should discuss this issue. Every time Nugent goes on T.V. he should be asked to discuss his decision to not allow himself to be drafted. He should then be asked to square his past actions during the Vietnam War with his current desire to constantly threaten people with guns.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:12 PM

99. What a coward.

"this town full of men with big mouths and no guts" - Nick Cave

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:03 PM

102. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!


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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:35 PM

105. This vile stench doesn't need to stop bathing to stink to High Heaven.

What a despicable individual. Repulsive excuse for a human being.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:58 PM

106. He redefines chicken shit.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:08 PM

107. RW rethugs

considers this jerk a true american, well I guess he is.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:13 PM

109. As someone that played by the rules, even when I didn't like them

I just want to say....FUCK YOU NUGENT!!!

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:01 AM

110. Too bad he didn't do himself in with his little trick

How dare anyone call him a patriot. He doesn't even deserve to be called an American.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:24 AM

113. Where's your casket or cuffs you pusillanimous freak?

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 12:25 AM

114. Ted Pantnugget's Greatest Shits

Well he sure seems awful proud of his little pantload performance.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:35 AM

115. Lars Larson referred to Nugent..

on his show on Monday as "my good friend". They're both disgusting little bottom feeders, and I say that as a veteran with an honorable discharge. We know about Nugent's extreme cowardice, and I am able to find no evidence that Larson served. Posers.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:52 AM

116. What makes me mad about this.....

Is that Nugent wasn't even anti-war. At all. He's a chickenhawk now, and was a chickenhawk then.

Fuck you, Teddy boy. Your average anti-war protester had 1,000x more integrity in that regard, than you ever will. Hell, even more true for anti-war guys who actually saw combat in Vietnam; IMO, those guys had 2,000x more integrity than you, Nuge. Because all you wanted to do was fuck around, and not because you actually opposed the war. And what makes this all worse is you called ALL of our guys in the Forces "imbeciles". That's basically slander, dumbass. And this coming from a guy who claims to love our troops........

Riverwalker, thanks for posting this. It needed to be said.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 03:30 AM

119. Not quite right,

he never did the cleanup part at the end and he's still in the same condition as he was when he left the draft board office.

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Response to riverwalker (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2013, 06:20 AM

122. (Lower) G.I. Ted

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