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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:43 PM

Whoever they pick as Pope...just not that African Peter guy

I'm not Catholic (raised one, but haven't been to church in a decade, don't identify as it at all, I actually do go to a church now but a non-denominational evangelical one, very different from Catholic), so normally I'd put no bearing or importance on who the Pope is, but picking someone named "Peter" with that prophecy around is just too creepy. And think of how people would react and the possible panics. I put no faith in the Catholic Church to do what's right since their track record is so weak, but I am hoping the cardinals do the responsible thing in not selecting that guy.

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Reply Whoever they pick as Pope...just not that African Peter guy (Original post)
ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 OP
quinnox Feb 2013 #1
ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #2
DireStrike Feb 2013 #10
dballance Feb 2013 #16
Lucinda Feb 2013 #18
Squinch Feb 2013 #3
dballance Feb 2013 #15
Squinch Feb 2013 #19
dballance Feb 2013 #23
davidpdx Feb 2013 #31
Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #4
ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #6
Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #7
DonViejo Feb 2013 #9
Tx4obama Feb 2013 #13
DonViejo Feb 2013 #32
brewens Feb 2013 #5
kwassa Feb 2013 #8
ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #11
Squinch Feb 2013 #20
DBoon Feb 2013 #29
shraby Feb 2013 #12
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #14
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #17
Squinch Feb 2013 #22
Hekate Feb 2013 #21
Renew Deal Feb 2013 #24
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #25
Renew Deal Feb 2013 #26
hedgehog Feb 2013 #27
hedgehog Feb 2013 #28
Live and Learn Feb 2013 #30

Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:44 PM

1. what does the prophecy say?

 

Just curious.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:46 PM

2. It lists the last Pope as "Petrus Romanus" (Peter the Roman) and then states this:

"In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit.
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.
The End."

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 PM

10. Though that last line may refer to the penultimate pope (ratzi) rather than petrus romanus

according to one website I read, anyway.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:32 PM

16. I Take it that's from Nostradamus? /nt

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Response to dballance (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:38 PM

18. No. St Malachy. n/t

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:46 PM

3. Oh, boy. You're right. I didn't realize there was a Peter in the running.

Jeez.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:30 PM

15. There May Only be One Peter Running but I'm Sure the Rest are Dicks Too /nt

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Response to dballance (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:06 PM

19. Lots of them! One can only hope that all the dicks will peter. Out.

OK, that joke didn't actually work. I acknowledge it and apologize.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:14 PM

23. I Dunno, I Laughed at it. /nt

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Response to Squinch (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:48 AM

31. You could say all of them are Peters

Ding dong....

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:47 PM

4. Self Fulfilling Prophecy

How else would all the other one's have been so accurate?


These people believe in Prophecy. They will see themselves as fulfilling God's will here on Earth.


The smart money is on someone named Peter. How they will try to sell the guy from Ghana as "The Roman" is yet to be seen but I am pretty sure they will find some way to rationalize it.


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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:51 PM

6. Actually the ones up until now haven't really been "accurate"

All the last couple Popes have been only described by a short line, and after every one comes out everyone tries to twist it to get the Pope to fit it. A lot are rather absurd. Interestingly the current one is described as "Glory of the olive.", and the word is that Ratzinger beat Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini on the final ballot, he certainly would've fit better. The stretch to get it to included Ratzinger is he chose the name Benedict after Saint Benedict of Nursia, founder of the Benedictine Order, and that the order's crest includes an olive branch.

FWIW, the Prophecy is almost certainly a 16th century forgery and not one from the 12th century saint it's attributed to, and the Church's official position puts no stock in it.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:52 PM

7. oh come on.. play along

spoil sport

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:54 PM

9. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome..

that's how the Cardinal from Ghana, if elected Pope, becomes a Roman

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:02 PM

13. He maybe Bishop of Rome, but I would disagree that it would make him a Roman - because ....


... the Pope resides at Vatican City which is NOT part of Rome.

Vatican City is a landlocked sovereign city-state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_city


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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:32 PM

32. You think legal technicalities matter...

to a conspiracy theorist?

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:48 PM

5. Don't they usually choose another name to go by anyway? n/t

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:54 PM

8. Who made this prophecy?

and why do you think prophecies are important?

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Response to kwassa (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 PM

11. The prophecy is attributed to Saint Malachy, but is unlikely to actually come from him

All evidence points toward that it's a forgery from the 16th century, the time it was "discovered". Personally I don't put much importance in such things, but we all know what type of yahoos do.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:09 PM

20. Which pretty much means "some guy named Larry thought it up."

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Response to Squinch (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:42 PM

29. Sounds like "a lot of Malarchy" to me

nt

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Response to kwassa (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 PM

12. They spark conversation if nothing else.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:26 PM

14. Being an atheist, I put no faith in the Catholic Church, and I put no faith in prophecy.

How many times have "prophets" set a date for the End of the World, only to have us wake up to go to work the day afterwards?

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:35 PM

17. We predicted that you were going to say that

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:12 PM

22. Ha! And it came from Backscatter, also known as the Glory of the Olive!

Just as we expected!!! (The names are synonymous because sometimes you can find olives scattered in your back yard.)

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:11 PM

21. Popes take another name. The current one was christened Joseph, but took the name Benedict as Pope

The birth-name is irrelevant.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:20 PM

24. The pope could take any name

But I can't imagine a pope would take the name Peter, especially with the prophecy out there.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:26 PM

25. I'm voting for 'Tintinnabula'

It has a nice ring to it.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:28 PM

26. lol





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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:31 PM

27. The prophecy is that he will be the last Pope, not that it is the end of the world.

Does the Catholic Church really need a Pope?

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:33 PM

28. An old story to lighten the mood:

"Spellman was a firm believer in the prophecies of St. Malachy, the 12th century Irish prophet, and had taken such prophecies about the papacy with the utmost seriousness. St. Malachy had characterized each Pope, from his days onwards, with a Latin tag indicating the basic characteristics of each pontificate. He had distinguished the successor to Pius XII as "Pastor et Nauta", Shepherd and Navigator.

During the Conclave of 1958, Spellman's papal ambitions became the talk of Rome, encapsulated in a current joke. Spellman, so the joke went, had hired a boat, filled it with sheep and sailed up and down the river Tiber in the belief that he was helping the fulfillment of the prophecy."

http://www.reformation.org/chapter20.html

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:40 AM

30. True, I was hoping we'd get a bit of a break from this end of the world crap. nt

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