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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:21 PM

The problem runs a lot deeper than Ted Nugent

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/02/11/the-problem-runs-a-lot-deeper-than-ted-nugent/


The problem runs a lot deeper than Ted Nugent

Posted by Greg Sargent on February 11, 2013 at 3:41 pm

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But really, this episode is significant for reasons that go well beyond Nugent. The key actor here who matters is Steve Stockman. The problem lies in all the over-the-top stuff GOP lawmakers say regularly that isn’t quite crazy enough to earn widespread condemnation, as Nugent’s quotes have, but are still whacked out enough to encourage an atmosphere that helps keep millions of GOP base voters sealed off from reality. The problem is the perpetual winking and nodding to The Crazy that is deemed marginally acceptable – the hints about creeping socialism, the claim that modest Obama executive actions amount to tyranny, the suggestions that Obama’s values are vaguely un-American and that Obama is transforming the country and the economy into something no longer recognizably American, and so on — more so than the glaringly awful stuff that gets the media refs to throw their flags.

As Jonathan Bernstein put it the other day, Republican lawmakers who flirt with this type of talk regularly are helping create an environment in which moderate Republicans are forever on the defensive and in fear of the base. If moderate Republicans want to change this, they will have to dial this stuff back:

They have to stop educating their rank-and-file voters to accept crazy stuff.That means cutting out the teleprompter jokes, the winks to birthers, the claims that Democrats are anti-American — all of it. It means that if a backbench member of the House yells out “you lie” during a presidential speech, he gets censured instead of praised. That’s going to mean some short-term sacrifices for long-term gains. It may be hard to go in front of a conservative crowd and resist an applause line calling Barack Obama a socialist.

Can Republicans shut it all down? Of course not. But they could choose to minimize it. That means politicians steering clear of it; it means those party actors who care about winning elections doing what they can to discourage it from those party actors who have different incentives (such as those hawking that merchandise or who can make a very good living selling to a group which is a large market but a small portion of the electorate).


The problem isn’t so much Ted Nugent as it is the Steve Stockmans of the world telling their constituents that Obama’s sensible gun reforms rise to the level of impeachment.

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babylonsister Feb 2013 OP
Cha Feb 2013 #1
FirstLight Feb 2013 #2
Cha Feb 2013 #3
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #6
Cha Feb 2013 #7
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #10
Le Taz Hot Feb 2013 #11
NightWatcher Feb 2013 #4
sheshe2 Feb 2013 #5
Cha Feb 2013 #8
jambo101 Feb 2013 #9
JHB Feb 2013 #12

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:26 PM

1. Well, isn't Steve Stockman just a steaming pile of hate filled

nugent wannabe. What an ugly MF.

Two fucking peas in pod.. at our SOTU. I hope the SS are prepared for the worse from raging hate inciters.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:28 PM

2. well put

just wish more would hear this rational thought than the fucking dog-whistles... :/

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:31 PM

3. Tweet: The Draft Dodgers gallery..

amk4obama @amk4obama

The Draft Dodgers gallery of #gop - cheney, romney and nugent - will be there at #SOTU while the man who got bin laden gives his speech.

http://theobamadiary.com/2013/02/11/colin-romesha-show-stealer/#comments

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:40 AM

6. +47%

From a Purple Heart vet who DIDN'T dodge the draft (and I reported for my draft physical the same year Nugent did).

FUCK the chickenhawks!

And thanks for that, Cha.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:05 AM

7. I don't believe I've thanked you for your

Service, pinboy.

pinboy

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Response to Cha (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:32 AM

10. Thanks, Cha

I came up at a time when our parents had served in WWII. And when JFK aked us to serve our country, many of us took it to heart.

I returned to Vietnam three times, long after the war. I laughed--and cried--with former allies and enemies--RVNs, VC and NVA. I have far more in common with them than I ever will with chickenhawk Rambo-wannabes like Ted Nugent.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:43 AM

11. Wow!

Your last paragraph.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:40 PM

4. The only thing tea baggers do is stir the shit

I can't wait till they tear the Repuke party apart

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:30 AM

5. This whole situation REEKS, of blatant disrespect of our President!

Steve Stockman, and the collective GOP, are trying to show that they are significant by standing up and saying a big FU to the President! They believe that they are showing the President that they have Balls, big ones. However they are a party of shriveled, hateful and insane bastards!

I hope the SS is all over Nugent like fleas on a dog.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:16 AM

8. One would like to see the

Steve Stockmans and Ted Nugents held accountable for being such blatantly insane hateful slime .. but, the good news is: PBO doesn't let it bother him and has a lazer like focus in doing his job. Which is slightly bigger than his job in Chicago.. now it's World Organizing!



Presidential advistors to Pres Obama.. be ready for anything at SOTU.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:35 AM

9. Problem is

The Republican half of the country seems to have gone mad with an obsession of hate toward just about everything, from this liberals viewpoint its as if they've all come down with collective dementia.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:08 AM

12. "They have to stop"... what? This is why they have power in the first place

They built this. They've shaped their party around weaponized vitriol funded by corporate and billionaire dollars. It worked so well for them that it's now firmly entrenched and considers itself the real base of their party -- and in most respects it is. Trying to wean them off the crazy is likely to be very costly to the would-be wean-ers, and what leverage do they really have?

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