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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:06 PM

What will happen if this man becomes Pope?


Cardinal Peter Turkson: The first Ghanaian cardinal, he's president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace and the Vatican’s point man on Catholicism in Africa. An energetic 64 years old, Turkson is considered to be more moderate than some other contenders but hardly a radical. Asked about the spread of AIDS in Africa, he said abstinence was a better solution than condoms. A couple of years ago, he said the first black pope would have a "rough time" and he wasn't bucking for the job.

From a who's next article: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/11/16926298-whos-next-8-cardinal-contenders-who-could-succeed-pope-benedict?lite


What will racist catholics do if a black man become Pope, first a black President then the Pope? What will this world come to?

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Reply What will happen if this man becomes Pope? (Original post)
liberal N proud Feb 2013 OP
cali Feb 2013 #1
liberal N proud Feb 2013 #3
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #2
markpkessinger Feb 2013 #19
patrice Feb 2013 #4
rusty fender Feb 2013 #5
niyad Feb 2013 #6
sadbear Feb 2013 #7
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #14
markpkessinger Feb 2013 #20
JVS Feb 2013 #8
dmallind Feb 2013 #9
msanthrope Feb 2013 #24
tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #10
cali Feb 2013 #11
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #12
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #17
Gman Feb 2013 #13
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #22
Gman Feb 2013 #25
Cleita Feb 2013 #27
Walk away Feb 2013 #36
Tree-Hugger Feb 2013 #40
warrprayer Feb 2013 #15
Enrique Feb 2013 #16
Bosonic Feb 2013 #18
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #21
lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #23
Cleita Feb 2013 #26
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #28
bhikkhu Feb 2013 #29
liberal N proud Feb 2013 #34
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #30
Renew Deal Feb 2013 #31
Walk away Feb 2013 #38
Walk away Feb 2013 #32
Ian David Feb 2013 #33
liberal N proud Feb 2013 #37
Divernan Feb 2013 #35
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #39

Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:08 PM

1. I've been doing some reading about him and reading some of what he's said

not remotely moderate. And how in hell does his comment about the spread of AIDS demonstrate that he's moderate?



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Response to cali (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

3. Good question

I am not qualified to answer that question. I was just pondering exploding heads over a black pope. It shouldn't matter but, so many would not accept it.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:10 PM

2. For one

people will probably start saying "Is the Pope black?"

But he's only 64, so I think he's too young for the post. I'm sure they don't want to risk another one retiring and dissing god.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:23 PM

19. John Paul II was 58 when elected . . .

. . . Although I've heard from some sources that there is little enthusiasm among the Cardinals for a lengthy papacy such as his any time soon.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:21 PM

4. Would be interesting to look at demographics on African female religious.

There are variations within the RCC on attitudes toward women.

We may be looking at a bulwark against America's Catholics for Choice.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:25 PM

5. Catholic Pat Buchanan's head

would certainly explode

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Response to rusty fender (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:31 PM

6. that might almost be worth it

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:33 PM

7. Probably things very similar to when Barack Obama became POTUS.

Some kind of weird Catholic tea party derivative for starters.

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Response to sadbear (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:01 PM

14. I wouldn't put it past these guys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_St._Pius_X

Their 'traditionalism' is borderline anti-semitic (they didn't expel this Holocaust denier until he started dissing their leadership), so I could easily see them being racist too.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:25 PM

20. Not to mention Opus Dei n/t

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:38 PM

8. He'd be a hardliner on abortion, birth control, and gays. Critics would be branded as racists.

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Response to JVS (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:43 PM

9. I was, typically, about to write hundreds of words on what is said here in under 20

Well done.

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Response to JVS (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:17 PM

24. Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! nt

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:45 PM

10. "He's not MY pope, I didn't vote for him" eom

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:47 PM

11. He caused quite the stir with his anti-Islam bigotry last year

Curia Cardinal Turkson causes uproar showing Muslim scare video at Vatican

A Roman Catholic cardinal has caused an uproar at the Vatican by screening a spurious YouTube video that makes alarmist predictions about the growth of Islam in Europe.

The seven-minute clip, called “Muslim Demographics,” was the talk of an international gathering of bishops on Monday, two days after Cardinal Peter Turkson screened it during a free discussion period.

Turkson, a Ghanaian who is based in the Vatican and is president of its Council for Justice and Peace, sparked consternation among his fellow bishops over the clip.

“As we were arriving this morning I was asked several times ‘Who planned it? Whose was it? Who is behind it?” Father Thomas Rosica said at a briefing for journalists, who are not allowed to attend the synod sessions, the first since the screening.

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http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2012/10/17/curia-cardinal-turkson-causes-uproar-showing-muslim-scare-video-at-vatican/

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:56 PM

12. Barry Sanders will have made a hell of a career transition nt

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:14 PM

17. I logged in just to laugh my ass off at that!

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:45 PM

13. I really don't know many racist Catholics

I would expect a lot of vitriol and hate targeted at a Black pope from many Protestants. Kinda like what you see at DU towards Catholics.

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Response to Gman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:27 PM

22. Then you never met my entire extended Italian-American family!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:27 PM

25. Now that you mention it and I think about it

I can think of a whole lot of Catholics that would have a problem with it.

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Response to Gman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:30 PM

27. Oh, I have, many of them.n/t

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Response to Gman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:44 PM

36. I grew up and live in an area repleat with Catholics and they are almost all racists.

I have never met a Catholic who was not a racist and a bigot. I often get attacked by Catholics for being an Atheist or for being an Obama supporter. My Italian clients think the "N" word describes everyone they think is shiftless or lazy. These are college educated, rich and 3rd generation Americans. They have no excuse except this is what they learned in their predominantly white catholic schools.

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Response to Gman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:52 PM

40. Oh, they exist

Raised Catholic and went to Catholic school in Philly. Trust me, racism exists among Catholics.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:04 PM

15. Santorum will disintegrate







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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:12 PM

16. that's a snazzy outfit

is that the away uniform?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:20 PM

18. Crazy end-times conspiracy cavalcade?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:25 PM

21. Not going to happen.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:15 PM

23. They'd never give Tweety the satisfaction

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:30 PM

26. I can already see a lot of heads spinning. First a black President in the USA and then

a black Pope. Oh, Noes!

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:31 PM

28. If elected he would be the fourth or fifth African pope.

The bigots will ask for his birth certificate. They might accuse him of being born in the USA of all places.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:32 PM

29. Nothing important, if he has the same backward perspectives as the current pope

I know why the OP would focus on race as the big issue, but it really makes no difference. People are people, human minds are human minds, the race of the pope is far less important than his position on the issues.

For instance, Herman Cain would not be the same president as Obama, in spite of also being black, though some of the same problems of racism might arise.

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Response to bhikkhu (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:41 PM

34. I agree that it is unimportant what race a person is, but we all know that racist who will go nuts.

My brother among them.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:33 PM

30. European Catholics are a minority within the church; American Catholics an even smaller one

A lot of discussion about the politics of the next Pope always seems to come from the assumption that the typical Catholic these days is American or western European, when a majority of them are in Latin America or Africa by now; I remember when John Paul II died and people were trying pretty hard to just deny that fact, as it suggested there were Catholic worldviews other than the ones they ran into on a day-to-day basis.

That said, all things being equal I'd love to see a Pope come from someplace that wasn't part of either the Roman or the Holy Roman Empire for a change. All things aren't equal, though, so "someone marginally more decent than the outgoing guy" might have to do for now.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:34 PM

31. Obama won a majority of Catholics.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:46 PM

38. I believe they were mostly Hispanic. People who are smart enough...

to vote in their own best interest.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:37 PM

32. Hey! A Kenyan Pope! Does he have a long form Birth Certificate??? nt

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:40 PM

33. Pope favorite has defended African ‘Kill the Gays’ laws

Pope favorite has defended African ‘Kill the Gays’ laws

The top three candidates for Pope are all vehemently anti-LGBT, with one defending African laws punishing gay people with death.

Pope Benedict XVI resigned earlier today (11 February), with the 85-year-old citing ill health and his advancing age.

Ghanaian Cardinal Peter Turkson, president of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, has said many of the laws imposed on gay people in Africa are an ‘exaggeration.’

Last year, the National Catholic Register reported the Cardinal saying it is important people understand the ‘reasons’ why some African governments have created legislation against homosexuality.

Turkson argues the ‘intensity of the reaction is probably commensurate with tradition’, saying the African culture needs to be respected.

More:
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/pope-favorite-has-defended-african-%E2%80%98kill-gays%E2%80%99-laws110213

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Response to Ian David (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:45 PM

37. I am not advocating for the guy, make no mistake .

I was simply posing the question to see what everyone thought would happen considering the racism in the US.

It would be hopeful that the man is considered for or eliminated because of his views and not the color of his skin.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:44 PM

35. Some old classmates are hatefilled racists & "devout" Catholics

They would either self-destruct or be paralyzed into total inaction.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:49 PM

39. End of the world according to prophecy (last pope to be Peter):

Malachy's Prophecies - The Last 10 Popes
Known to Catholics as St. Malachy (1094-1148)

8. The Labor of the Son. "De Medietate Lunae" JOHN PAUL II. 1978-2005

Pope John Paul II

Amazingly, Pope John Paul II was the only pope who was both born the day of an eclipse of the sun, and entombed the day the sun was eclipsed.
One of Malachy's strangest predictions concerned the pope who would follow 'De Medietate Lunae'. He is designated as 'De Labore Solis', or 'from the toil of the sun'. Applied to John Paul II, this phrase reveals nothing less than a double prophecy. John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla), the first non-Italian elected in 456 years, was a native of Krakow, Poland. Krakow is the city where, in the 15th and 16th centuries, Copernicus 'toiled'; for years to prove his heretical theory that the earth revolved around the sun. Many of Malachy s interpreters also suggested that the 'sun' reference indicated a young pope. Fifty-eight years old at the time of his election, John Paul II was the youngest pope in over a century.

John Paul II was the most traveled Pope in history. He has circled the globe numerous times, preaching to huge audiences everywhere he goes. Even though he was once shot, he has not seemed to slow down. He has recently written a book which has enjoyed a large circulation.

Like the sun which never ceases to labor and provides light daily, this Pope has been incessant. John Paul compared abortion to the Holocaust and denounced gay marriages as part of 'a new ideology of evil'. He argued that same-sex marriages threaten society by undermining the traditional family.

.................................

10. PETER THE ROMAN - The 112th prophesy states: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." The last pope may just cut Catholics loose from unity and the papacy, causing total disruption and confusion. See Saint Francis of Assissi's 13th century prophecy below. It is believed the next pope will

http://www.bibleprobe.com/last10popes.htm

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