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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:48 PM

Young People More Likely To Favor Socialism Than Capitalism: Pew

The poll, published Wednesday, found that while Americans overall tend to oppose socialism by a strong margin -- 60 percent say they have a negative view of it, versus just 31 percent who say they have a positive view -- socialism has more fans than opponents among the 18-29 crowd. Forty-nine percent of people in that age bracket say they have a positive view of socialism; only 43 percent say they have a negative view.

And while those numbers aren't very far apart, it's noteworthy that they were reversed just 20 months ago, when Pew conducted a similar poll. In that survey, published May 2010, 43 percent of people age 18-29 said they had a positive view of socialism, and 49 percent said their opinion was negative.

It's not clear why young people have evidently begun to change their thinking on socialism. In the past several years, the poor economy has had any number of effects on young adults -- keeping them at home with their parents, making it difficult for them to get jobs, and likely depressing their earning potential for years to come -- that might have dampened enthusiasm for the free market among this crowd.

Indeed, the Pew poll also found that just 46 percent of people age 18-29 have positive views of capitalism, and 47 percent have negative views -- making this the only age group where support for socialism outweighs support for capitalism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/29/young-people-socialism_n_1175218.html

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Reply Young People More Likely To Favor Socialism Than Capitalism: Pew (Original post)
kpete Feb 2013 OP
Drale Feb 2013 #1
freethought Feb 2013 #2
burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #3
Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #4
Egalitarian Thug Feb 2013 #5
napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #14
union_maid Feb 2013 #6
Catherina Feb 2013 #7
corkhead Feb 2013 #8
gollygee Feb 2013 #9
burrowowl Feb 2013 #10
Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #11
MattSh Feb 2013 #12
Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #13
JHB Feb 2013 #15
Cal Carpenter Feb 2013 #16
pampango Feb 2013 #17
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #18
JHB Feb 2013 #19
Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #20

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:53 PM

1. SHOCKING!!

O wait no its really not. As one of those Young People I see how capitalism has failed us and put the power in the hands of a small number of old rich white guys who could care less about anyone but themselves. They would through their own children, let alone the children of the poor under the bus if it made them another dollar. There is a reckoning coming and time is on the Young Peoples side because old people die, its what they do and once your dead that money or power won't help you were they are going.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:54 PM

2. Not surprising given recent history and current events.

Views on the economy are set pretty early, usually around college age. So now we have almost 5-6 years worth of college grads and non-college grads who can't find work and are watching the obscene amounts of wealth being funnelled to the very top. Once that view is set, it's extremely difficult to change. People who were coming of age during the Great Depression had a similar view.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:02 PM

3. Capitalism has shot itself in the foot twice in one century.

Of course it's losing ground in the integrity market. It never had much to begin with.
I'm hoping that succeeding generations agree that burdens are meant to be shared, not shouldered by individuals.
The only burden an individual should be forced to carry is the one of his individuality, creativity, and a bundle of other choices made by him or her alone.
Do not confound "employment" with perfect mental health and altruism. To be employed is not to be altruistic or even morally decent.
To do volunteer work is both.
To care about one's neighbors is both.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:07 PM

4. Great news!

Hopefully, we can evolve via the younger generation.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:09 PM

5. And how much of the negative view of Socialism is due to complete indoctrination

 

from the moment of birth? When people are asked to compare Socialist and capitalist ideas without identifying labels, they choose the socialist far more often.

Hell, most Americans can't even define Socialism.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:53 PM

14. That's the interesting question at many levels.

Really, socialism hasn't been much of a force in the world in recent years, capitalism is so widespread. And the only people really taking about it (its not really the left in the US) are on the right.

Honestly, I wonder what the political power of Fox-news blow-back is. Basically, you have somebody like Beck, and he's going off about Obama's birth certificate, socialism, and how global warming is false. Then you see these mega-storms, Obama shows his birth certificate and the rest. So Beck's critique of the this socialism thing, which is really in many ways a non-force in the world, actually serves to validate it by association, to reanimate it as a force in the world. It maybe another case of that "be careful what you focus on" thing... For the right.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:12 PM

6. We base our opinions on our experiences

At least many of us do, and young people have no reason to hold capitalism in high esteem. Maybe we'll get to that social democracy after all. Not in my lifetime, but maybe in my son's. I hope so.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:12 PM

7. I think this graphic from 2009 clearly explains why

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:23 PM

8. it is a failure of our public educational system.

Kids are no longer being brainwashed into hating socialism before they know what it is.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:30 PM

9. Older people grew up under a different style of capitalism

than younger people have seen. I'm not surprised people are reacting against the radical free market version of capitalism that's been practiced the past few decades.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:30 PM

10. Brings Joy to this

Old Socialist's heart!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:40 PM

11. Hasn't that always been the case?

"A man who is not a communist at the age of twenty is a fool. Any man who is still communist at the age of thirty is an even bigger one." George Bernard Shaw

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:41 PM

12. Oh oh, Professor Droney isn't going to like this.

You don't want to make Professor Droney mad. You wouldn't like him when he's mad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022350703

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:42 PM

13. When they say they approve of socialism I believe they are thinking about having SS,

Medicare etc and Gov help with storms etc. But I don't think they approve of the gov. owning all oil co. and corporations and businesses...like real socialistic countries. When they see the disparity in income now days...they turn against capitalism and realize it can make life pretty unfair for many people. I guess we need a little of each type of government.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:09 PM

15. I think part of it is in how the definitions have been shifted

Decades of conservative (and "centrist") drum pounding has narrowed the definition of "capitalism" to mean only the current predatory/dog-eat-dog/unregulated version, excluding versions that we had here from the New Deal up to Reagan, and in Europe under systems we helped set up to avoid Soviet influence.

Anything that works in favor of the vast majority of people, anything that slows down unlimited buckraking from the top -- all that has been redefined as "socialism".

When you define reasonable policies that need some updating but which worked as "socialism", lo and behold younger people like "socialism". The oldest of them were toddlers when the Soviet Union collapsed. The association of the word with Stalinist police states just isn't there.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:23 PM

16. It is not human consciousness that determines our social conditions

but on the contrary, it is our conditions that determine our consciousness.
(paraphrased)
--K.M.

And one more for good measure:

Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks. --K.M.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:23 PM

17. "...only two other groups ... socialism's positives outweighed its negatives -- blacks and liberal

Democrats..."

Pew broke down its results by age, race, income and political affiliation, as well as support for the Occupy Wall Street and Tea Party movements. There were only two other groups among whom socialism's positives outweighed its negatives -- blacks, who say they favor socialism 55 to 36 percent, and liberal Democrats, who say they favor socialism 59 to 39 percent. These were also the only two groups to show net favor for socialism in the 2010 poll.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:24 PM

18. Do they see Socialism and Capitalism as enemies?

Most of Western Europe has been described as Socialist to one level or another, but aren't they also market economies?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:33 PM

19. What today is called "socialism" was known during the Cold War as...

..."the Free World".

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:41 PM

20. I know several older folk for whom this is also the case.



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