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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:26 PM

How to tell if that guy w/ an AR-15 in the grocery store is a gun nut or mass shooter?

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Reply How to tell if that guy w/ an AR-15 in the grocery store is a gun nut or mass shooter? (Original post)
FSogol Feb 2013 OP
zappaman Feb 2013 #1
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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:29 PM

1. DU Rec and kick! n/t

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:31 PM

2. If I am at a store and I see anyone come in with any type of firearm slung over their soldier

I am going to leave that store but not before letting the manager know the reason. Assault rifles do not belong in the hands of private citizens and nothing bigger than a pistol belongs in public (although I would say no firearms belong on your person at anytime in public but I know thats not going to happen.)

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:35 PM

4. 2A only applies to government entitites, not on private property nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:37 PM

6. Individual store owners can decide whether or not to allow weapons on the premise

Buffalo Wild Wings has a strict no carry rule and gun-nuts have a shit fit about it on every facebook post BWW makes.

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Response to Drale (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:41 PM

64. Really. They're one of my company's clients.

Can you post a link to their FB?

We do some security of theirs... not physical... I'm trying to stay vague.

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:44 PM

7. The only people who should be walking around armed

are those with a specific and obvious licensed purpose for doing so.

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:07 PM

24. +1

 

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:20 PM

28. I've thought about what I would do in that event too

Especially after seeing pictures of that JC Penny guy.

If I'm with my kids, I'm leaving immediately and calling the police (see #3 below).

If I'm not with my kids, here are a few things I've thought about:

1. Create a scene. Run away screaming "Shooter!! He's got a gun! He's going to shoot someone! He's crazy!" Basically, the idea is to try to incite a panic. That sounds bad, but the point is to get the reaction you would get if the guys was really a shooter. If you had everyone stampeding out of the establishment, that will get the attention of the management very quickly and also ostracize the guy carrying the rifle.

2. Mess with the guy. If I'm really sure the guy is not a shooter (if that's possible), follow him around calling him despicable names and making fun of him. Asking why he's such a *ahem* pansy that he needs a rifle to go to JC Pennys. "Too scared to go to the mall unarmed?" If there's any indication he is or was in the armed services, berate that branch of the service as much as possible (I have nothing but respect for military personnel...this is just to get under his skin). Harass and ostracize, but be careful not to put the guy in any fear for his safety (lest he have a reason to shoot you). Also, the way the JC Penny guy was carrying his rifle, the magazine release button was exposed. Easy to walk up behind him, push that button and run. He won't give chase until he picks up his magazine and then won't look too good for a guy with a rifle to be chasing someone unarmed around.


3. Call the police. Here again, I would attempt to create a reaction closer to what would happen with a real shooter rather than someone just carrying. I would try not to sound calm or unsure ("uh, there's a dude with a rifle strapped on his back"), but rather out of breath and panicked ("there's a crazy guy screaming and waving a gun all over place!"). Don't stay on the line long. Get others to make similar calls. I know lying to the police is wrong (and a crime unto itself), but the goal would be to get the whole SWAT team to show up, guns drawn and pin the guy to the floor.

I suppose this is mostly in-my-head-fantasy and that in reality, I would probably just leave. Option 1 would probably just be me making a fool of myself, option 2 would probably get my ass kicked (or shot), and option 3 would probably get me arrested. But just telling the manager is so unsatisfying. There's got to be some way to humiliate and ostracize these guys and make it clear that even though it may be legal, it's not acceptable. Make it not worth their while.

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Response to Animal Chin (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:08 AM

66. "I suppose this is mostly in-my-head-fantasy and that in reality, I would probably just leave"

I am *so* glad to see someone so refreshingly honest about this. Over my years here, I've seen far too many 'internet toughguys' who would have left that part out. I spent a lot of my adult life 'reading people', which basically meant I would 'size them up' as soon as I saw them. I looked for weaknesses to exploit them with, and even their strong points to use to my advantage. You see, I was trained in the martial arts from as far back as I can remember... probably as soon as I was walking good.

I was bouncing at a biker bar when I was 18. It was just a job to me, nothing personal. I eventually wound up riding with a very notorious 1%er MC gang and also am a former member of another very notorious white supremacist group, where I was an enforcer, mostly due to my size (6'3", 235lbs at the time) and my training.

I left that lifestyle many, MANY years ago and have dedicated my life to helping others any way I could, talking to kids and trying to keep them out of gangs and try to see how many people I can make laugh, smile, or just feel good about themselves each day.

That being said, here's a few pointers about your "list scenarios":

1. Create a scene. Run away screaming "Shooter!! He's got a gun! He's going to shoot someone! He's crazy!" Basically, the idea is to try to incite a panic. That sounds bad, but the point is to get the reaction you would get if the guys was really a shooter. If you had everyone stampeding out of the establishment, that will get the attention of the management very quickly and also ostracize the guy carrying the rifle.


This would probably land YOU in jail for trying to incite a riot, and also the same punishment as yelling FIRE!!! in the mall or a theater.

2. Mess with the guy. If I'm really sure the guy is not a shooter (if that's possible), follow him around calling him despicable names and making fun of him. Asking why he's such a *ahem* pansy that he needs a rifle to go to JC Pennys. "Too scared to go to the mall unarmed?" If there's any indication he is or was in the armed services, berate that branch of the service as much as possible (I have nothing but respect for military personnel...this is just to get under his skin). Harass and ostracize, but be careful not to put the guy in any fear for his safety (lest he have a reason to shoot you). Also, the way the JC Penny guy was carrying his rifle, the magazine release button was exposed. Easy to walk up behind him, push that button and run. He won't give chase until he picks up his magazine and then won't look too good for a guy with a rifle to be chasing someone unarmed around.


If that guy was *me*, I would have asked you, politely, the first time to "just leave me alone and leave if you didn't like it, or keep your mouth shut before you found something in it that you really wouldn't like." If you kept on, you would have gotten knocked out with either a spinning heel kick to the mouth, or smashed in the face with the butt of the rifle, and I would have plenty of witnesses who heard me ask you once to leave me alone or risk getting hurt.

Which leaves #3...

3. Call the police. Here again, I would attempt to create a reaction closer to what would happen with a real shooter rather than someone just carrying. I would try not to sound calm or unsure ("uh, there's a dude with a rifle strapped on his back"), but rather out of breath and panicked ("there's a crazy guy screaming and waving a gun all over place!"). Don't stay on the line long. Get others to make similar calls. I know lying to the police is wrong (and a crime unto itself), but the goal would be to get the whole SWAT team to show up, guns drawn and pin the guy to the floor.


IF this was an open carry state, and I was legal and had not acted on #2, and being that most stores have video surveillance, and again, it would have been YOU going to jail for filing a false report, trying to incite a riot or panic, and conspiring, aiding & abetting others to commit a crime of calling in false reports because, knowing my rights, I would have DEMANDED to see the video tapes of me brandishing my weapon to ANYONE and threatening them. In some states, they would have made YOU pay the costs of all the emergency personnel who showed up to the scene, too!

Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV..

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #66)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:47 AM

74. so

just leave the gun nut to openly carry. Just don't bother that person and maybe they'll go away. Right? That's what you're saying? Hell, we might as well be back in the days of open carry and everyone who had a weapon had an equal chance, right? I hope I don't ever have to be put in a positin to wonder if this is some Obama hating, Rush Limpdick loving, poxnews addict, Dorner fearing coward with an agenda to kill all liberals and the rest who are shot? Collateral damage. Please, I hope I've misunderstood your answer.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #74)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:14 PM

85. Even in the old west

the weapons had to be turned in at the sheriffs office when entering town.

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Response to EC (Reply #85)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:17 PM

109. not all towns

but sometimes on television they had to or face the sheriff in the middle of the street, You're trying to act like the 'wild west' was a civilized place. In your fantasies maybe derived from television shows and 'histories' of that time. Reality was a lot different. How do I know? Because of the violence that was perpetrated in the name of settling the 'old west for 'decent', 'civilized' amercans. Give me a break!. That's my precedent.

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:08 PM

39. This only happened a few times company-wide at the major retailer I worked at

When somebody open-carrying was on the premises they were confronted by security and given the opportunity to return the firearm to their vehicle. If they refused or became belligerent they were escorted from the store, photographed as well as the situation allowed and given a written trespass warning banning them from the chain for five years.

At that point the police were called with a general heads-up that an armed and angry person had been ejected from the property. Sometimes the police would review the security footage, but that was usually the end of the matter.

This almost never happened,

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:18 PM

61. Sounds like a logical way to handle it, choices given, perfectly legal. Good for all.

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Response to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:54 AM

82. I like that approach.

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:17 PM

42. Please leave the store first

You can call the store manager and even corporate offices later.

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:47 PM

46. dial 911 as well

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:28 PM

60. Freedom of Speech

Would one get arrested if one ran out of the store yelling, "Gun!"?

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Response to Drale (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:40 PM

106. ...at a store

I wouldn't be concerned. Few AR-15s are used in shootings. The problem is handguns and their purchase by those who have no business owning firearms of any kind. New Town and highly reported, equally rare cases aside, we are diluting the solution to gun violence in the US with so much focus on the various types of guns which will do practically nothing to stem the violence in any appreciable way. Politicians know this full while they write legislation which amounts to no more than a dog and pony show - none wanting to be the one to do anything worthwhile to address the issue - cowards all.

The ARA is an odious organization which must be abolished under the Patriot Act as a traitorous entity, it's actions a direct threat to the safety of the American People.

Guns should not be sold without background checks and then not without obtaining a license at least comparable to a driver's license - pilot's license, in a perfect world, IMO.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:35 PM

3. and our progressive gun enthusiasts just don't get why this cartoon is so true.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:15 PM

16. Who?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:16 PM

17. i didn't want to hurt their feelings.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:02 PM

20. You're too kind.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:14 AM

72. I understand why it is true

that is why I don't advocate open carry. It is too provocative.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:35 PM

5. the thing about that moron with the rifle SLUNG across his back

that really bugs the shit out of me is the asshole was violating every rule of gun safety. His muzzle was indiscriminately pointing in uncontrolled directions. SUUUUUUURRRRREEEEE they never go off by accident, until they do of course.


He should have been arrested for that fact alone.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:46 PM

8. SWC.

 

Stupid While Carrying.

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Response to Light House (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:51 PM

10. There was in idiot on Oklahoma who tried to vote while open carrying

Which is not allowed even under the ridiculous open carry laws.

So he went to his car, came back in and voted. On his way out he lifted his shirt to show where he had tucked his gun like he had gotten away with it.

They arrested him.

Stupid While Carrying.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:47 PM

35. Excellent example!

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:47 PM

9. Being for the northeast...I've never encountered anyone

openly carrying a gun. Thank goodness I've never had to make that decision. So glad I don't live in the south or mid-west.

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Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:59 PM

55. Connecticut is in the Northeast. None of us are safe until uniform gun regulation coupled

with better mental health care happens nationwide.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:54 PM

11. Just laugh and point..

It works for other idiotic protesters, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:06 PM

22. works on flashers too

I know I've done it with an added "hey everyone look"

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:22 PM

30. I have to agree, it is a part of the reason many do it..

it's to elicit a response, and to get the tsk-tsk response, so they can feel empowered.

Again, just because you CAN...

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:09 PM

40. Redundant (psychologically!).

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Response to azurnoir (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:41 PM

63. With a flasher you just look at it quizzically and say,

"Is that all the bigger it is?"

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:52 AM

68. A woman I knew was flashed once by a guy

She said "Oh, it looks like a penis...only smaller". The creep crept away.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:39 PM

53. I'd like to agree with you, because that DOES work on flashers, but I am afraid

that someone carrying a semi-automatic gun into a store is so stupid, has so little judgment, that I wouldn't trust their ability to keep themselves from shooting it to prove their point.

I'd just get out. These guys are unbalanced. (Did you see the published facebook page of the guy who did it in Penneys? Don't mess with the stupid.)

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Response to Squinch (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:32 PM

56. Thy are stable, and mostly responsible people

They are exercising a right, they are misguided but not idiots are out of control and on edge.
And it is their right.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:41 PM

57. Good luck with that.

I mean it sincerely.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:03 AM

70. You're safe from them.... "mostly"


That single word kind of underlines the whole problem, doesn't it?

"mostly"

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:06 AM

76. "...but not idiots are out of control and on edge..."

How do you know that? I don't know that they ARE idiots or out of control, but you sure as hell have no idea whether they are NOT either. That's sorta the point.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:20 AM

80. I don't live my life in fear, so I don't go around assuming everyone is out to kill me..

I respect their freedoms, just not their choices..

It really vexes me that so many here are willing to do that.
How many OC proponents have gone on a killing spree?

Seems you have created a bogeyman out of whole cloth, and now run like rabbits at your imaginary threat.. must suck to spend life as a Don Knots character.

Again I support the right, but not the action.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #80)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:47 AM

81. So, You DON't Know They Are Not Nuts, You Don't Know Their Intent and You're Just Spouting Bullshit

Got it.

"Thy are stable, and mostly responsible people
They are exercising a right, they are misguided but not idiots are out of control and on edge. "

Again, you don't have a fucking clue whether or not this is true, in fact, one could argue that a dipshit who parades around in public with an assault weapon is in fact a complete and utter irresponsible moron who should absolutely have his guns taken away PRONTO.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:14 AM

83. And one could argue

That people that fear other people due to the fact they are carrying an object are paranoid, delusional, or merely fascist bigots...

But hey, I am sure as soon as we turn this critical eye on your gris-gris, you'll be concerned, until then lets continue to malign a group we don't understand and label them with pseudo-psychological twaddle to compensate for our diminished feelings of power and relevance..
I am sorry you feel powerless before the will of the people, and have to project your lack of control and reason onto others, truly I feel bad for you.
Luckily there are states that agree with you and you can go there and feel safe, as for me I will continue to live in one that recognizes my rights and freedoms.
Protest that's what this is about, and if you can't really understand that I gots nuthin to say..

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:49 AM

84. The Idiots Who Need to Carry Assault Weaons To Grocery Stores Are Fear Filled Ignoramuses With No

common sense or decency. I mean, what sort of fear filled, ignorant jackass needs to bring an assault weapon grocery shopping?

Look out!! That banana looks shifty!!

That you feel the need to defend these dipshits only speaks to your lack of judgement, common sense and decency.

But please, proceed.

FREEEDUMBSSS!!! LIBERTEEESSS!!! You sound like a caricature of an NRA tool.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #84)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:46 PM

87. Its a protest..

simple, I defend freedom of speech, even yours, lest one day I be silenced by the echo chambers of fear and mindless lemmings.
Sorry you are afraid, I really am, but working from fear and ignorance is a RW kinda thing, I choose to examine both sides and try and gain a better understanding.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:53 PM

90. Sure It Is, Yeah, A Protest, For Ignorant, Fear Induced Jackassery

What sort of dumbass is so threatened that they need to carry an assault weapon at all times? A cowardly, dipshit, that's who.

Look out!! The zombies are gonna get ya!! Booga booga!!

What a total crock of dipshit, asshattery!

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #90)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:08 PM

92. its got you talking about it,

so it is effective, I mean if they are trying to inspire fear, well you are shitting yourself over a harmless act, not me. But hey carry on, I am sure the RW lurkers from the gunsites are lubing up over your reaction.

you and the other chicken littles are being played, by "cowards" and "dip shits" and "idiots", with exceptionally small genitals too, to me that is kinda sad. I will repeat I don't agree with them, and I am not defending they're actions, just they're right to do it under law, I guess that is a subtle distinction that gets missed when your in paroxysm of fear, high dudgeon and impotent rage.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #92)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:11 PM

93. LOL! It's Effective AT Highlighting How Preposterously Deranged and Out Of Touch Gun Nuts Are!

That's for sure! It's effective at making the argument for better regulation! I'm all for these idiots continuing with their lunacy, they are perfect poster children for more and better regulation!

Keep it up dumbasses! Keep your guns close at hand as you tremble and quake at every shadow waiting for the zombie apocalypse!!! You just better hope you get mowed down by a cop who doesn't understand your idiotic "protest".

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:21 PM

97. So you advocate the State murdering protesters

your edit is truly telling, you want cops to shoot down lawful protesters?

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #97)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:24 PM

102. Look Out!!! The Zombies Are Coming!!! Start Firing Indiscriminately!!!

Oops, that was a classroom full of six year olds! Silly you. But hey! I gots my rights!! Screw those kids!

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:04 PM

91. And This Shitstain Was Just Protesting Too, Right?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/12/9-year-old-boy-killed-2-wounded-by-man-randomly-shooting-at-cars/

Protesting and exercising he constitutional rights, right up until he started shooting indiscriminately.

And I supposed on his way to the school to slaughter 20 six year olds, Lanza was merely protesting too and exercising his "rights", right up until he started slaughtering six year olds.

Guess we just have to wait until these shitbags start slaughtering people before we can call them a threat to public health and safety, right?

Nothing more pathetic and transparent than an NRA tool defending the "rights" of ignorant, cowardly jackasses to be threats to public health and safety.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #91)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:18 PM

96. really?

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"

You are well aware that the two are not even close, and again it is so terribly sad to see that your powerlessness over other people has led you to dance in the blood of innocence, merely to win an argument.
there is "Nothing more pathetic and transparent than ".. a person willing to project their own shame and fear, and UTTER powerlessness on to others.
Just because you fear you may lose it, or you can't be trusted to not follow a baser influence doesn't mean others are the same way.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #96)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:23 PM

99. LOL! No Sense Of Decency Says The Genius Defending Threats To Public Health And Safety?

Because we all know that your supposed "right" to defend yourself against the zombie apocolypse trumps everyone elses right to public health and safety.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:22 PM

98. Protest?

More like rank stupidity. What if someone sneaks up behind him and takes the gun away from him? Anyone who carries a rifle slung over his back, in public, is a fool who should be taken out back and spanked, and have all his guns taken away from him. There are too many people around, and it is way too easy to whack the guy over the head and take the rifle away from him, or just walk up behind him, yank on the rifle, which knocks the guy onto his back, then stomp on him and take the gun away.
What if he is a crazy, who is going to kill as many people as he can? What if a cop happens to be in the store, sees the rifle, and shoots the guy? For that matter, what if a person with a CWP, sees him, draws on him, tells him to get on the floor, but the guy reaches for the rifle instead and gets shot or worse, starts a firefight?

There is not a single justification for carrying a slung rifle in public. All this guy is doing is showing off his toy and waving his macho around.

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Response to azureblue (Reply #98)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:33 PM

104. It is protest, that is why they do it..

I offer no justification, as I am not a fan of OC, it gets the people too fidgety, as shown in this little sub thread.
Is it that hard to see that disagreement does not have to equal banning and reactionary teeth gnashing. I disagree with a lot of things, but recognize they are legal and protected, and will fight for a persons ability to make their own choices.


All of your little scenarios are mostly silly, and unrealistic. Just more bogeymen and ghosts that are as likely to happen as me marrying Elton John...

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:40 PM

86. "...I gots nothin to say.."


Bullseye.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #86)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:50 PM

88. gun puns, how nice

its disingenuous to misquote somebody.. just sayin'

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:32 PM

103. What about my rights?

What about my right to go to the store and not have to be afraid of the guy with a gun? Kind of steps on my freedom to go where I want without fear.

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Response to HelenWheels (Reply #103)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:38 PM

105. i agree it is , and that is why I personally oppose OC.

But, you do not have a right to live without fear, or even to live in a world free of conflict, or aggression, or revulsion. Sorry, that's the suck side of freedom.

Work to change the laws, succeed and I will stand beside you to call for arrests of lawbreakers.

Until then, like it or not, it is legal, and a valid form of protest.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 01:54 PM

12. WELL REGULATED MILITIA ... COULD GO EITHER WAY

SPOT-ON.

I've engaged in some heated debates with "Assault Weapons Rights" advocates who insist the most important intent of the 2nd Amendment was to enable the citizenry to overthrow their own government if it becomes tyrannical.

My response to that is twofold:

1) If having assault weapons would tip the balance in that conflict (as opposed to just having hunting rifles) then it would have been a closely fought protracted bloody war in which life as we know it (food at the supermarket, weekly paychecks) would cease to exist until order could be restored by the leaders of disparate militia forces (strongmen) exerting whatever control they can impose over local populations, many of whom would be a "security risk" because they didn't support the insurrection. The Constiutution (ostensibly being protected by the right to bear assault weapons) would be put on hold indefinitely and very likely permanently.

2) Take a closer look at the people who are actually purchasing assault weapons and screaming about government "tyranny." The leaders who could whip up an insurrection among those folks are the LAST people to whom I would entrust my freedom and liberty.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

13. K&R, Big-Time. (nt)

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:05 PM

14. or LAPD?

 

just saying.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:06 PM

15. I mentioned this very thing in a thread...

...about some guy walking around with a gun in a JC Penney.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2214542

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Response to skypilot (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:30 PM

62. To answer the question in your post at the link, you don't.

This just breeds a sense of insecurity like walking into a war zone. You don't know what they are up to, and the likelihood that one can get killed if one misjudges a perfect stranger, is too great to carry on as if it's not happening. And then you, the unarmed person attempting to go about your daily business, lose your own freedom of speech, being able to assemble and travel freely. If a person is in a gun shop or range, that's one thing. You have a good reason to be carrying and displaying one's weapon, as it is the subject at hand. Third world countries have people hanging about with such weapons and those carrying are the only ones who have the freedoms I listed above. We don't need this here, but I can see why the wingnuts want it to in order to intimidate others and stop others from enjoying those freedoms. It's sick and the problem is it's working very well due to the propaganda being put out. They want conflict, they want a reason for open warfare on the streets. This is so damn backwards.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:24 PM

18. Love it! Kick, Rec & Reminder About My Petition!

DU'ers, have you signed my petition to stop "open carry" at JC Penney's? If not, will you? And will you help me find other people who want to help, too?

http://www.change.org/petitions/jc-penney-company-inc-please-post-signs-banning-open-carry-guns-in-jc-penney-stores?utm_campaign=share_button_action_box&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:45 PM

19. if i take him out with my car am i a hero or a murderer?????

sort of serious here

he won't shoot anyone if i am parked on his forehead

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:07 PM

23. That's not funny.

Damnit.



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Response to dembotoz (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:42 PM

32. Both

hero to some, murderer to the state

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:05 PM

21. This is dead on!

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:08 PM

25. Thankfully never been in that situation

I'd most likely go to the store manager though - on my way out the door

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:08 PM

26. Question?

If in Florida or any stand your ground state a person walked into anywhere with a gun slung like that, could they be killed by anyone else legally? No one looks like a mass shooter until they start shooting, but why wait till then? Kill them as they walk in and claim you were afraid.

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Response to ajk2821 (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:45 PM

33. Can't shoot

for the same reason police cannot arrest someone who may commit a crime. Until they do it, no law is broken.

SYG would not be a defense for shooting a person carrying a rifle any more than shooting a person with a holstered pistol. Unless they are attempting to open fire, there is no immediate threat. A potential threat is not sufficient.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:16 PM

94. What was trayvon martin's crime again?

He was stalked and killed for the crime of? And he did not have a weapon openly showing.

A person walks into a Florida shopping center with a gun out, and I feel scared (not much of stretch there) and I stab them with a knife. Stand Your Ground says I did the right thing.



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Response to ajk2821 (Reply #94)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:10 PM

108. He did not commit a crime

that is why his killer is charged with murder...

A person walks into a Florida shopping center with a gun out, and I feel scared (not much of stretch there) and I stab them with a knife.
If by gun out, you mean in their hand, pointing it, then maybe
Stand Your Ground says I did the right thing.
It won't be open and shut, unless the person is shooting.

If they are just carrying it openly, you would face charges of aggravated assault or attempted murder; claiming SYG will get you as far as it got Travon's killer.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:11 PM

27. Open Carry in Public........

 

'Cause that wee tiny penis isn't going to fix itself!

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:20 PM

29. K&R

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:32 PM

31. If I see anyone with any kind of firearm in the store other than an on duty policeman,

I will leave the store immediately and phone the manager and inform he/she that if they don't tell the moron to take his firearm out and lock it in his car trunk, I will not shop there.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:46 PM

34. What the fuck is wrong with someone who feels it necessary to carry an AR-15 in a store?

Seriously, that's just messed up thinking right there. I don't care if we're talking about an "open carry" state or not--seriously, who does that?

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:57 PM

36. K&R - Why must we, the innocent bystander, have to suss out the state of mind or intent

about our gun wielding citizens? It's irresponsible.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 03:57 PM

37. If you encounter anyone armed with an assault weapon in a public place.......

leave the area right away. It is better to be safe than sorry. He might just be looking for that wife that just left him. Do you really want to be a part of that six PM news hour story?

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:39 PM

44. exactly.

I'd rather not stick around to determine the true intent of someone like that.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:08 PM

38. I say: DROP A DRONE!

It's the American Way!

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:13 PM

41. just a surveillance one that follows them everywhere

like a fly or mosquito, well maybe not could illicit an extreme reaction or something

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:29 PM

43. I walked out quickly

When a guy was in a big box store here in Oklahoma making a big deal out of his right to openly carry I was terrified. I headed for the exit, the man in question yelled after me "crazy gun grabber" while a majority of the people around him stood dumbfounded. The manager followed me out and asked what I said to him,I said nothing and he did not believe me pointing to the Obama sticker on my car.

These folks do not realize that by protecting their rights, my right to safety is violated....

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 04:40 PM

45. They realize it

They just don't give a shit because they think they are more important that you are.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:46 PM

47. I have to wonder if THEY--the gun NUT and the asshat manager--would have harrassed you that way

If you had been a man.

Women are easy to harass and it makes their dick feel big.

Double your size if you're harrassing while carrying. Or harassing while carrying out the duties of your important position of authority.

They used you and enjoyed it.

I am furious on your behalf!

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:36 PM

51. Or perhaps that's the point

They want people to be afraid of them.

Makes them feel good--just like any bully gets a kick out of seeing other people in fear.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:46 PM

54. If it's within their "rights" to openly carry in a store, a 2nd amendment remedy is needed

As in, amend the 2nd amendment!

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:05 PM

107. Stores have the right to post no weapons

but they don't seem to enforce it at all, I think they are afraid that so many people here back this law they won't shop or eat there. It is frightening. I didn't say anything to the guy, just shot him a look, put my stuff back and left the store. He was the one who yelled and caused a scene.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:48 PM

48. Jen Sorenson NAILS it.

She is brilliant!

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:50 PM

49. Agreed. n/t

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:23 PM

50. Easy. Kill'em all and let God sort'em out.

Their slogan not mine.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:37 PM

52. atleast you know they are armed if that counts for anything.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:15 PM

58. Black and White

It's as simple as black and white. If the gun toting person is white, no cause to worry. If black, call 911, call the National Guard, call Batman. In fact, just to be safe, maybe whites should flee the store or area anytime any "suspicious" (i.e. non-white) person appears. Or be prepared to "stand your ground".

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:17 PM

59. LOL! They might have to start posting this at the entrance to the Gungeon.



Kick, Rec.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:53 AM

65. 1,000,000 recs.

I have experienced something similar and was terrified which way the situation might go!

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:48 AM

67. K&R

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:35 AM

69. Isn't that the truth

Did you seen the picture of the people with guns in the Oregon Legislature? How long before these nuts start walk into a government building assassinating elected officials.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:44 AM

73. Three people were killed yesterday

at a Delaware courthouse. In this case it involved a child custody battle.

Senator Feinstein's advocacy on gun control probably began the day City Councilor Harvey Milk and Mayor Moskowitz were shot dead at the San Fransisco City Hall.

It's bound to happen again. And when it does, the NRA will rush to tell us "now is not the time" to discuss gun control.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 08:04 AM

71. If you live in Florida or any stand your ground state, kill him.............

 

He may have given you a look that meant he might challenge you & such.

Make sure you always have piano wire & other tools while shopping.

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Response to kooljerk666 (Reply #71)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:00 AM

75. +1000

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:12 AM

77. If a guy walks in with a gun like that, isn't it an implied threat? Can't I defend myself?

Suppose a security guard sees this guy exercising his rights at a bank. The guard yells, "Gun!" draws his own, and shoots the guy dead. Wouldn't that be a justified homicide? Wouldn't the news reports say a heroic security guard thwarted an attempted bank robbery, and potentially saved many lives?

And wouldn't Wayne LaPierre say, "See? That heroic security guard had a gun and saved the day. We need more guns!"

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Response to tclambert (Reply #77)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:24 PM

100. In FL

it is and you can shoot him, because you fear for your life.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:13 AM

78. Shame them

 

That is my focus. I hate guns. I see no purpose other than to hurt others. I don't like people that are fascinated with guns and I will not associate with them. I don't have many exceptions (a friend inherited some from his dad and keeps them in a safe). If you like guns, don't ever talk to me because plain and simple, you are a selfish, self centered asshat that will do nothing to improve our country, culture or world.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:15 AM

79. well done! nt

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 12:51 PM

89. #1: "Are you still alive"

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Unbelievable that these arrogant assholes think they're standing up for "freedom" by waving their goddamn assault weapons around in public.

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:16 PM

95. Thoroughly shared on FB and twitter!!!! nt

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Response to FSogol (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:24 PM

101. Oops - I already K&Red. Oh well, I'll kick.

:kick:

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