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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:06 AM

The Pope is resigning?

This is unprecedented in the 'modern' memory.
I never thought I would ever see this. I don't know what is going on but the statement he put out is bs.
Maybe he has dementia or something that would in effect prevent a viable Pope from being present to be the face of the church. Maybe some other bad news is coming around the corner that can't be prevented.

Weird.....

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Reply The Pope is resigning? (Original post)
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 OP
Atman Feb 2013 #1
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #2
Atman Feb 2013 #7
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #9
Atman Feb 2013 #13
d_r Feb 2013 #31
fadedrose Feb 2013 #33
hlthe2b Feb 2013 #15
Atman Feb 2013 #21
hlthe2b Feb 2013 #23
Atman Feb 2013 #25
hlthe2b Feb 2013 #28
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #30
Atman Feb 2013 #37
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #39
Atman Feb 2013 #62
Bradical79 Feb 2013 #46
blueamy66 Feb 2013 #43
Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #45
Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #44
Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #50
eShirl Feb 2013 #4
RudynJack Feb 2013 #3
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #5
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #6
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #20
newfie11 Feb 2013 #8
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #10
annabanana Feb 2013 #11
Renew Deal Feb 2013 #17
ananda Feb 2013 #40
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #19
FarPoint Feb 2013 #12
eShirl Feb 2013 #14
BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #16
KatyMan Feb 2013 #41
BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #42
KatyMan Feb 2013 #47
xchrom Feb 2013 #18
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #22
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #52
ButterflyBlood Feb 2013 #24
Kolesar Feb 2013 #36
MrMickeysMom Feb 2013 #26
KharmaTrain Feb 2013 #27
Bucky Feb 2013 #29
TexasPaganDem Feb 2013 #32
Are_grits_groceries Feb 2013 #35
glinda Feb 2013 #49
Kolesar Feb 2013 #34
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MNBrewer Feb 2013 #48
ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2013 #51
SomethingFishy Feb 2013 #53
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #61
caseymoz Feb 2013 #54
lumberingbear Feb 2013 #55
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cate94 Feb 2013 #57
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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:08 AM

1. He wants to spend more time with The Family.

Or he's taking a lobbying job in DC.

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Response to Atman (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:10 AM

2. Don't buy that.

Much more power as Pope.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:14 AM

7. Power?

He has wealth and pretty dresses...but what "power" does he actually wield? What does a pope actually do? He has no affect on my life.

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Response to Atman (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:18 AM

9. He still has a great deal of sway over

millions of people who still regard him as the infallible head of the Catholic Church.
It would be nice to think that all had been disabused of that notion,but it's just not true. You have to take the world in its entirety.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 AM

13. So? What does he do?

What actual 'sway' does he hold? People stopped using birth control? People fawn over him, they make pilgrimages to see him, they send him 1/10th of their paychecks...but what does he actually do?

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Response to Atman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:13 AM

31. He could make the US Boy Sccouts

accept gay members just by saying a sentence. Similar impact on a host of social policies around the world.

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Response to Atman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:16 AM

33. It's what he wears...

It's all too heavy and too fancy. I hear he yearns to wear a wifebeater and sweats . . .

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Response to Atman (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:26 AM

15. As head of more than a billion Catholics and the Vatican, he is a "Head of State"

Have you not been paying attention to the parade of world leaders over the past decades that travel to the Vatican (usually proximal to elections) to genuflect before the Pope?

Not to mention the countless wealth of the Vatican.

What "power" does he wield? Are you kidding me? It is hardly negligible.


I could not be more critical of this Pope and the Vatican in general. That said, to suggest the Pope to be "powerless" is really lacking in understanding, IMO.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:46 AM

21. So what does he DO?

So heads of state genuflect to him...has he stopped abortion or wars or child molesting? He collects money and property, and billions of people pretend to "follow" him, but what POWER does he have? If had power, I've not seen it. Just an obscene display of wealth, but he hasn't stopped any wars or convinced any heads of state to stop hunger, poverty or war.

WHAT DOES HE DO?

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Response to Atman (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:57 AM

23. Defines Catholic policy--sets both tone and interpretation for Catholic theology...

and like all heads of states--places "his" people in positions worldwide (from Cardinals, Bishops on down the chain) to maintain his direction.

For all those Catholics that want to see the Church change in terms of its policies towards the role of women in the church, birth control, homosexuality, fiscal policies that harm the poor, and countless other issues, it won't happen unless the POPE decides it will happen. And having seen how this can impact US elections, the effective fight against birth control provisions of Obamacare, and other issues, I again ask you how you can question that this man has power.

I have considerable disdain for the whole system (though not for Catholics in general) and certainly the current Pope, but those are the facts.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:01 AM

25. I can easily question his power.

But I'm not Catholic. Or even Christian. So what does the pope actually do? He amasses wealth and property under a giant scam known as "God."

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Response to Atman (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:10 AM

28. You see daily in our political discussions the power exerted by this and other religious hierarchies

I am not Catholic either, fwiw. But it doesn't really take a lot to educate yourself on such matters.

And do NOT count me in with you on your ugly attacks on countless individuals who choose to follow one or another religion that you and I may not share. You have every right to your own opinions and beliefs (or lack there of), but so too do those who profess some form of religious beliefs. That is their right and as long as they do not force their beliefs on us, then they should be respected for their choices. That the organization for some churches (including the Vatican) do exert some power to do so, is an issue worth discussing and clearly that IS the case with Catholic hierarchy, but one can do so without totally denigrating billions of its followers.

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Response to Atman (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:13 AM

30. He sets the path of the Catholic Church.

His doctrine is extremely conservative. It is anti-LGBT, anti-abortion, anti-birth control among other things. In addition he appoints people to enforce this doctrine or at least enforce its message.

When the President was trying to get his health care proposal passed, he had to deal with the Catholic Bishops. If they did not like it, they held sway with enough in Congress to block it. In these matters he happens to be closely aligned with the ultra-right wing. That group cannot be ignored unfortunately.

I cannot give you more info if you refuse to believe it. He controls minds and beliefs. That can be as powerful as armies.

You can wishfully think he is a nonentity. You could not be more wrong.

That's what HE DOES.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:30 AM

37. You were doing okay there for a minute...

...then you trailed off into snarky lecturing. "Fail to educate myself?" I was once a Catholic. I recall my parents telling me "shhhh" when I mentioned it to a neighbor once. I am educated on the Catholic church, thank you very much.

So this man acquires wealth, art, property...and tells people what to do. He doesn't stop wars or discrimination or proverty or any of the things his faith tells us we are to do. He preaches anti-gay hatred while ignoring child molesters in the church. He could use the Vatican's wealth to elevate millions from poverty.

But what does he do? He strong arms politicians and world leaders...and amasses more wealth. So billions follow him...fat lot of good it's done.

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Response to Atman (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:53 AM

39. Who says it has to have done good?

It won't be the last religion to perpetuate health of the leadership over the health of the masses.

As far as your once being a Catholic, you may be well versed in a great deal about the Catholic Church. However, you seem to blithely dismiss the Pope's real world power among the masses. They cling to his doctrine at a very real cost to themselves.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 02:44 PM

62. It's the CHURCH!

We're constantly being told that "Jesus" and "The Church" will guide us all forward, or something. I'm not sure what they're telling us...guide us BACKWARD it would seem. Churches on every street corner. 27 "GOD" channels on my pay-cable tv. But somehow they're being persecuted, there is a war on religion. HAH!

A war OF religion.

We are coming from different perspectives. I just asked "What does the pope actually DO?" The only answer I got is that he wields power. He doesn't actually DO anything other than amass wealth, art and property...and wear pretty dresses. Yet the world comes to a standstill because a former-Nazi child molester protecting Prada wearing old geezer decides to quit his bazillion-dollar a year "job."

It is the ultimate theater of the absurd.

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Response to Atman (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:09 AM

46. You seem to be confused.

Not doing good things with the power you have is a lot different than not having power, which is how this argument started. All you're doing now is picking fights and making very little sense.

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Response to Atman (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:42 AM

43. He obviously has an affect on you....

 

If he didn't, you wouldn't have posted a response, no?

On edit: just saw your post about bring an ex-Catholic.....now I understand

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Response to Atman (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:56 AM

45. There are many Catholics, my parents included, who would bend to the Pope's will

before our own President's. 1.2 Billion Catholics agree...

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Response to Atman (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:54 AM

44. Are you serious?

Over 3/4's of the world's Christians are Catholic, and about 1.2 billion of them Roman or Eastern Rite Catholics who adhere to the Magisterium in the Vatican. In terms of affecting the world, the Pope is easily in the top 5 world's powerful leaders. Just an afterthought, the Pope is also a Head of State. Vatican City is its own country, it is not part of Italy.

No offense, but sometimes the egotism of people in the United States is just staggering.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:06 AM

50. He is gonna run Santorum's '16 Presidential campaign


Who better then someone "infallible" (on all things religious)?

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Response to Atman (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:12 AM

4. lol

I'm stealing that

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:11 AM

3. He's too pooped to pope

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:13 AM

5. Is the Pope Catholic?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:14 AM

6. Probably

a secret Scientologist.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:41 AM

20. Is a bullfrog waterproof?

Who spilled the beans?



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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:17 AM

8. Interesting reasons for resigning on link below

http://www.wkyt.com/?mobile=yes&device=iphone
According to the above link he is resigning Feb 28 2013.
I hope the link works as I am on my cell phone.

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:21 AM

10. Link works.

Pope John Paul II was Pope until he was practically falling over and he was mumbling pronouncements.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 AM

11. Will he be part of the College of Cardinals that chooses

the NEXT guy? How would anyone go against his candidate?

This is going to be a BIG distraction. GREAT cover for all kinds of shenanigans.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:31 AM

17. I was wondering the same thing.

I doubt he gets a vote, but this could be a power play where he has say in his successor.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:55 AM

40. That's exactly it.

He has appointed "conservative" (aka criminal nazi anti-woman) cardinals and wants to pressure the next pick.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:33 AM

19. No - he's too old (over 80), even if the rules would allow an ex-pope to take part

I've no idea about the latter, but the rules say only cardinals under 80 get to vote.

He could let people know his preferred candidate, of course.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 AM

12. He said from the beginning that he would only serve

about 5 years...I'm not surprised. I heard on the news it has been 600 years since a Pope resigned. I will have to look that up.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 AM

14. "The decision ... took even the Vatican hierarchy by surprise"

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/11/16924342-pope-benedict-xvi-to-resign-on-feb-28-vatican-says?lite

The 85-year-old announced his decision during an address, in Latin, at the "Concistory for the canonization of the martyrs of Otranto", a small event held early in the morning.

The decision, which took even the Vatican hierarchy by surprise, makes him the first pope to resign since the Middle Ages.

His statement was posted on the Vatican Radio website.

Carrying out the duties of being pope required "both strength of mind and body," it said.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:27 AM

16. Hey, he's giving two weeks notice

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:13 AM

41. Wonder if he has a non-compete...

like no heading other churches for 60 days or something...

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Response to KatyMan (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:26 AM

42. Lol

That's the, um, spirit.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:11 AM

47. The cardinals knew something was up

when he showed up for work wearing a suit and took a long lunch that day....

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:32 AM

18. G'bye. Don't let the door hit ya. Nt

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:56 AM

22. Well....one less former Hitler Youth in a position of global authority....

Once you sift through all of the official Vaticanese-Pope talk in that statement, it reads like something has developed recently from a physical/mental standpoint that's forcing his resignation. Or at least that's what he wants us to believe.

Maybe evidence has surfaced of Ratzinger guarding a concentration camp in 1945 as Hitler Youth members were being assigned to actual SS units late in WWII. One could only hope.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:13 AM

52. I'm betting evidence is about to surface...

that shows either he was directly involved in the priest-kiddie-fiddling coverups, or better yet, that he's been kiddie-fiddling himself.

I won't miss Maladict.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:59 AM

24. So Obama outlasted him

Ha.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:19 AM

36. An optomistic note! ... eom

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:04 AM

26. Maybe he has guilt...

I see his looking away at the deception...

What an interesting life he's had... first a puppet of the Nazi's then a puppet of the double standards of what is supposed to stand as "religion"...

May his replacement be a man (God forbid any other gender) and heal the state the Catholic church finds itself in.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:08 AM

27. The Dude's 85...

Most of the other popes in our lifetimes (I go back to John XXIII) passed on by the time they hit 80. Ratzy was named pretty much as a caretaker...a "transitional" pope to put some separation over what had happened during the reign of John Paul II. He claims he doesn't have the energy to keep up the schedule and having known my share of people in their mid 80s, I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:13 AM

29. Let's hope they elect a Democrat this time...

though I fear the Cardinal College is rigged.




Hmmm.... Rigged...





Riggs....







OMG!






Pope Mel

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:16 AM

32. Almost unprecedented

As a former Catholic, I still follow this stuff. The last pope that resigned was in the 1400s if I recall correctly (and that was only because they had 2 popes).

However, I can honestly say that as pope, I think this is his greatest act. The man is vile.

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Response to TexasPaganDem (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:18 AM

35. Be careful what you wish for.

There could be someone as vile in waiting.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:00 AM

49. My worry is that it will be Mpls./St. Paul's Archbishop John Nienstedt.

This will be even worse than Ratzinger. He has been positioning his self, IMHO, for election.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:17 AM

34. 2004: Cardinal Ratzinger Ordered John Kerry Be Denied Communion before he was "promoted"

Last edited Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:23 PM - Edit history (1)

2005: http://www.talkleft.com/story/2005/04/20/684/83575
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It was Pope Benedict XVI, formerly known as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who inserted the Catholic church into the 2004 election by ordering bishops to deny communion to abortion rights supporters, including candidate John Kerry.

In a June 2004 letter to US bishops enunciating principles of worthiness for communion recipients, Ratzinger specified that strong and open supporters of abortion should be denied the Catholic sacrament, for being guilty of a "grave sin."

He specifically mentioned "the case of a Catholic politician consistently campaigning and voting for permissive abortion and euthanasia laws," a reference widely understood to mean Democratic candidate Kerry, a Catholic who has defended abortion rights. The letter said a priest confronted with such a person seeking communion "must refuse to distribute it."


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If Ratz had kept his fat fascist hands out of our election, John Kerry could have won Ohio and the election.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:41 AM

38. First time since the Middle Ages.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:13 AM

48. He wants to be able to devote more time to making the Death Star fully operational

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:10 AM

51. If it were mere dementia, they'd keep him on

as a figurehead.

I suspect it was either the kiddie sex scandal, the financial scandal at the Vatican Bank (which is complex and a potential disaster), or his only choice after losing a major battle within the Curia. Most of the Curia don't trust or follow him anyway. Any "God made me do it" claim sounds too much like "The dog ate my paper."

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Response to ChairmanAgnostic (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:21 AM

53. Agreed.. The last Pope

wasn't in real good health either. Towards the end he was asleep for most of his "appearances".. I think there is something more here.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #53)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:53 PM

61. I'm with you there.

For centuries, Popes have died in the saddle - if it was a health problem, he would have been allowed to mumble through his duties while his subordinates managed the affairs of the Church.

No, he's being forced out.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:41 AM

54. Alzheimer's?


At 85, I'd think of this as a possibility. It would be the first time in the modern age a Pope would be cognizant of it. If he's experiencing memory loss, and he's seen his doctor, he was probably told in no uncertain terms what would happen.

He also knows what a guy who can't remember the doctrine he's teaching could do for the "infallibility" of the office.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:45 AM

55. He's pulling a Palin....

He is resigning and becoming a consultant for Faux News, replacing Palin.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:48 AM

56. I thought they got the job for life. I've NEVER

heard of a pope resigning in the entire history of the Catholic church.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:16 PM

57. It has been done

in the past. I think the last time was around 600 years ago.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:43 PM

58. BREAKING: Dick Morris predicts Romney will be elected pope in a landslide.

At least a 9-cardinal margin, he says.

However, CNN says pope NOT resigning at all.

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:46 PM

59. It will be interesting to see if Bertone is elected

Bertone, along with Cardinal Ratzinger, co-authored The Message of Fátima, the document published in June 2000 by the Vatican that allegedly contains a scanned copy of the original text of the Third Secret.

The prophecy of Fatima predicted the destruction of the Vatican
it was suppressed from 1917 till the year 2000

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Response to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:47 PM

60. I say he's being forced out.

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