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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 05:57 AM

'Pope Benedict to resign' - Italian news agency ANSA

Just on the BBC news ticker at the moment. No more than that, so I'm not putting it in LBN - could be "will resign rather than soldier on to death, at some point in the future', I suppose.

And a link (though nothing more): http://news.sky.com/story/1050513/pope-benedict-resigns-reports

On edit: radio news says it will be on Feb 28th - via a spokesman talking to a separate news agency.

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Reply 'Pope Benedict to resign' - Italian news agency ANSA (Original post)
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 OP
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #1
steve2470 Feb 2013 #2
Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #3
malaise Feb 2013 #6
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #8
krawhitham Feb 2013 #12
Xipe Totec Feb 2013 #30
Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #15
Cooley Hurd Feb 2013 #16
Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #17
valerief Feb 2013 #44
magical thyme Feb 2013 #49
valerief Feb 2013 #50
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #19
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #36
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #42
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #57
Ken Burch Feb 2013 #21
RudynJack Feb 2013 #25
Ken Burch Feb 2013 #27
RudynJack Feb 2013 #31
woodsprite Feb 2013 #29
xmas74 Feb 2013 #46
magical thyme Feb 2013 #51
Pale Blue Dot Feb 2013 #53
magical thyme Feb 2013 #55
theKed Feb 2013 #35
Rhiannon12866 Feb 2013 #54
SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #48
LeftofObama Feb 2013 #4
malaise Feb 2013 #5
FreeState Feb 2013 #11
Mutiny In Heaven Feb 2013 #7
theHandpuppet Feb 2013 #9
eShirl Feb 2013 #38
PCIntern Feb 2013 #10
Skidmore Feb 2013 #20
eShirl Feb 2013 #34
Ken Burch Feb 2013 #22
malaise Feb 2013 #13
MrSlayer Feb 2013 #14
Ken Burch Feb 2013 #23
MrSlayer Feb 2013 #28
LibertyLover Feb 2013 #56
PeaceNikki Feb 2013 #18
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #24
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #32
stlsaxman Feb 2013 #39
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #43
stlsaxman Feb 2013 #45
LTR Feb 2013 #47
RudynJack Feb 2013 #41
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #52
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #26
Atman Feb 2013 #33
stlsaxman Feb 2013 #37
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #40

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:01 AM

1. Spokesman: Will step down February 28th

CNN just reported on-air.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:01 AM

2. Pope Benedict XVI is to resign on February 28th, according to reports on Italian news agency ANSA.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:02 AM

3. Breaking on CNN as well!



They usually die 1st. Why the sudden resignation? Has a Pope ever "resigned" before???

This is VERY... curious!

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:03 AM

6. Did he exonerate the Nazi sympathizer Pope??? n/t

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:17 AM

12. last time was 1415

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Response to krawhitham (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:03 AM

30. And it was another Benedict, Arnold... nt

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:25 AM

15. Matt Lauer just said that he's "abdicating" as of Feb. 28th due to poor health

The first time a pope has stepped down since 1415!

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:31 AM

16. I'd buy that, but why so quickly? 2 weeks?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:33 AM

17. He said he no longer has the strength to carry out his duties...

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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:30 AM

44. To wave and say things that hurt people? How hard is that? nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:21 AM

49. don't forget protecting his child molesters and rapists

that's more than a full time job.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:25 AM

50. His lawyers do that for him. He just waves and says evil things.

Really. What else does he actually do?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:44 AM

19. Time enough to get the cardinals to clear their diaries

and get to Rome, perhaps. Once he's made the decision to go, and make it public, I can see it'd be better to move the process along rapidly.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:15 AM

36. Diaries? You must be British.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:23 AM

42. I am - do Americans always say "clear my schedule" these days?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 16, 2013, 04:53 PM

57. I guess they do. I just know that to Americans a diary is usually what a teen-aged girl writes in

to keep track of her angst. Others may keep notes on their doings and feelings, but usually call it a journal, not a diary. Both are generally used to record things after the fact.

To record appointments in the future, Americans commonly use what we call a calendar, also known as a date book (but that's most often a hard-copy becoming obsolete due to digital version--never, it seems, called a date book), or, as you said, a schedule.

I'm a sucker for any British accent and have always been fascinated by British vs American English, so, please excuse my geek.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:49 AM

21. I'm thinking his doctors told him he has Alzheimers and it's a fast-progressing form of the disease

Since that won't kill you right away(assuming this is what the Holy Father was told)it raised the possibility of Benedict hanging on in an incapacitated state for weeks, months, perhaps years. He'd have decide that this would put the Church in an intolerable situation.

That my theory, in any case.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:52 AM

25. Possibly...

but the church has always carried on in such circumstances.

This is odd.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:57 AM

27. well modern medicine's ability to prolong life long past the point of dignity

may have played a role here. In similar situations in the past, it would always have been clear that an incapacitated pontiff would only live for a short while in any case(then again, until the last couple of centuries, most people didn't live all that long, as far as that goes).

Still, this is a bit of historical weirdness none of us expected.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:07 AM

31. It's certainly possible.

My first reaction was that a scandal is coming. But maybe I'm just a natural cynic.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:02 AM

29. If it were to be something like Pick's disease, he could be incommunicative in a matter of months.

Just had a friend die from that last year. Her docs told her family it would be like Alzheimer's on steroids. In 2 years she went from being an active genetic counselor, then to early stages of dementia, to being noncommunicative and totally bedridden. She died about month after her 2yr diagnosis. The Alzheimer's drugs that slow the progress of the disease don't have any effect on Pick's.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:35 AM

46. I thought that

or maybe cancer.

Either way, I figure it's something that could linger but will cause death.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:33 AM

51. per the Telegraph link above, no specific illness

"He said that the Pope was not stepping down because of any specific illness. Depression or uncertainty were ruled out as causes for the resignation.
The announcement was "a bolt from the blue", said Angelo Sodano, a senior Vatican cardinal. The news apparently came as a surprise, even to the Pope's close aides."

Further on in the article it mentions that his doctor told him to avoid transatlantic travel. Apparently he has a heart condition.

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Response to magical thyme (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:51 AM

53. That would imply he has a heart. nt

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Response to Pale Blue Dot (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:35 AM

55. Well he's shown tremendous compassion

for his rapist-priests.

Their victims just need a lesson in forgiveness. It takes a tough-minded person to stand up to that whiny bunch.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:13 AM

35. Easter is coming soon

Perhaps he (and/or his advisors) felt it best to get out of the way before that, if it's something serious that would prevent him from doing all that he's expected to.

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Response to theKed (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:16 PM

54. That does make the most sense

Easter is huge in the Church and the whole world looks to Rome, even non-Catholics. He'd be out there front and center. And there's nobody who can stand in for a pope.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:05 AM

48. I too thought they were to die in office...

HELL, we had to watch that John Paul character die in front of us for years. But this Beenadick fool is quitting? I wonder if he knows his cover-up of child rapist could be getting ready to go public??

Maybe there is a push from within to get rid of the Pope?

I am sure this will turn into a reality show via every news agency on the planet like last time.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:02 AM

4. Can't say I would be disappointed,

but if it's true that would be HUGE news!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:02 AM

5. Good n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:11 AM

11. +1 n/t

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:06 AM

7. Excellent, now another child molester by proxy can take the reigns

Keep the old man's club puffin' away.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:07 AM

9. Confirmed by the Vatican

NBC4 (Washington, D. C.) just reported that the Vatican has confirmed Benedict will resign on the 28th. Benedict says he doesn't have the strength to continue anymore.

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Response to theHandpuppet (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:18 AM

38. Seems strange to me, after the last Pope hung in there for years by sheer force of will.

"Benedict says he doesn't have the strength to continue anymore."

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:11 AM

10. There's a smoking gun somewhere...

Just when things were getting interesting...they just got more interesting.

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:46 AM

20. My first reaction was to wonder what that butler knew.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:13 AM

34. me too

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Response to PCIntern (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:49 AM

22. or perhaps a smoking censer? n/t.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:20 AM

13. Last pope to resign was in the 1400s

Looks like dementia

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:24 AM

14. Nazi Pope, Nazi Pope, Nazi Pope, Fuck Off!!

 

Seriously.

I'd like to see an African Pope.

Not that it matters to me personally but I'd like to see the reaction of certain people I know.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:50 AM

23. Be careful of what you wish for on that one.

From what I've heard, some of the African cardinals are even more reactionary than Benedict.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:58 AM

28. I did qualify it.

 

By saying that I don't care who gets the job. Since I'm an agnostic, non-theistic evolutionist I don't care if he wants to bring back the inquisition. I just want a black Pope.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:51 AM

56. Two of the "Popeable", as it's called, are from Africa

One is a Ghanaian cardinal named Peter Turkson. The other, a cardinal from Nigeria, is Francis Arinze. Both are considered to be extremely conservative. Benny Boy packed the College of Cardinals with as many like-minded clones of himself as he could find over the last 7 or so years.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:35 AM

18. Dookus for pope!

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:51 AM

24. Early betting odds on successors point to a Ghanaian

followed by a Canadian and a Nigerian.

Bookmakers Paddy Power have drawn up a list of contenders to replace Benedict. According to them the favourite is Cardinal Peter Turkson of Ghana (9/4), with Cardinal Marc Ouellet next at 5/2 and Francis Arinze at 7/2. Here is their full list:

9/4 Cardinal Peter Turkson

5/2 Cardinal Marc Ouellet

7/2 Cardinal Francis Arinze

7/1 Archbishop Angelo Scola

10/1 Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction#block-5118d9b6b5790c5937938d94


Ladbrokes are just behind Paddy Power with their own list of contenders. Their top three is the same: Peter Turkson, Marc Oullet and Francis Arinze.

5/2 Cardinal Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson

3/1 Cardinal Marc Ouellet

4/1 Cardinal Francis Arinze

6/1 Cardinal Angelo Scola

10/1 Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga
...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/pope-resigns-live-reaction#block-5118da3cb5790c5937938d95


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Turkson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Ouellet
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Arinze (Arinze is 80 - older than Ratzinger was who he got the job. Seems unlikely as a choice, to me - he's actually too old to vote for Pope)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:09 AM

32. Old Roman saying:

"He who enters the conclave as a frontrunner comes out as a cardinal."

(Mentioned by CNN's Vatican correspondent this morning.)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:19 AM

39. His successor will be Latino... to help the GOP in 2016. nt

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:24 AM

43. That's a bit US-centric (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:30 AM

45. of course it is...

you think "we" aren't in total control?

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:56 AM

47. You do have a point

Not the whole GOP sceme of things, but I recall last time around that the church was considering someone from Latin America, which is perhaps the Catholic Church's strongest hotbed.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:20 AM

41. Hillary 2013!!

*ducks*

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:43 AM

52. Let's hope it is not someone named Peter..... (nt)

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 06:56 AM

26. I gotta spend some time on the conspiracy forums today...

 

It's better than a novel when shit like this happens.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:11 AM

33. Thank God

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:16 AM

37. Ratzo knows where The Body is buried...

sorry, i couldn't resist.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:19 AM

40. Jimmy Hoffa?

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