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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:14 PM

Special drone court needed as check: Gates

WASHINGTON Former US defense secretary Robert Gates on Sunday endorsed the idea of having a special court review drone strikes as a check against a president's power to, in effect, execute Americans.

The issue came to the fore last week during a Senate hearing to confirm John Brennan, President Barack Obama's counter-terrorism chief, as director of the CIA.

Gates, a former CIA director who served as defense secretary under both Obama and former president George W. Bush, said the rules followed by the Obama administration "are quite stringent and are not being abused."

"But who is to say about a future president?" he said in an interview with CNN's State of the Union.

"I just think some check on the ability of a president to do this has merit as we look to the longer-term future," he said.

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Reply Special drone court needed as check: Gates (Original post)
morningfog Feb 2013 OP
Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #1
MadHound Feb 2013 #2
1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #3
woo me with science Feb 2013 #4
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #5
MadHound Feb 2013 #6
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #9
1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #7
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #8
sibelian Feb 2013 #10
Enrique Feb 2013 #11
customerserviceguy Feb 2013 #12

Response to morningfog (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:18 PM

1. Don't know which is worse....

Leaving it as a Presidential power that continues to carry a high political cost

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Institutionalizing America's "right" to violate the sovereignty and human rights of any nation/person we deem an enemy.

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Response to morningfog (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:19 PM

2. Our use of drones is a violation of domestic and international law,

 

We don't need a special court in order to act as a check against drone use, we simply need to end the use of drones, now.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:27 PM

3. This is the correct answer. Putting a Judge at the top of the heap does not make any of it legal

And the President does not have any authority what so ever to act as Judge.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:27 PM

4. Thank you.

Creepy, isn't it, how the terms of the conversation get shifted so quickly...

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Response to MadHound (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:03 PM

5. How are drones any worse

than special forces black ops or outright invasions?

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:09 PM

6. It isn't a matter of worse or not,

 

The simple fact is that our current drone policy is illegal under both domestic and international law.

However, for your edification, our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan violated international law as well.

Face the fact, for being such a law abiding nation, we sure as hell violate a lot of laws.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:23 PM

9. Ok, agreed

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were wrong. Given that, why are drones any worse than invasions and use of covert forces?

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:11 PM

7. Those take place under the rules of war, this takes place under no rules what so ever.

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:21 PM

8. The "rules of war"

an oxymoron if I ever heard one, obviously need to evolve to consider the existence of drones. Again, I don't see them as fundamentally different from any other act of war where one country invades another for a military purpose.


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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:30 PM

10. Which is worse, being raped or tortured?


I guess being raped. So let's torture instead. But we need a court.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:31 PM

11. actually the black ops are happening too

Jeremy Scahill says that they are more significant than the drone strikes and of course totally ingored. He has a movie about it coming out in the summer called Dirty Wars.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:35 PM

12. This President

is as committed as the last one to making sure that we take the fight to the terrorists where they are, rather than letting them take it to us in the United States. If he did not, his would be a failed Presidency.

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