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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:24 AM

Actor Steven Seagal Trains Arizona Posse On School Security

FOUNTAIN HILLS, Arizona (Reuters) - Action film star Steven Seagal, who racks up big body counts in his on-screen battles with bad guys, took on a new role on Saturday, training posse volunteers for controversial Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio in how to use guns to protect schools in shooting incidents.

Arpaio, who styles himself as "America's Toughest Sheriff," enlisted Seagal to train his Maricopa County posse members at a school in Fountain Hills, a suburb northeast of Phoenix, with children used as stand-ins for scared students.

Seagal, a burly martial arts expert turned actor, guided 48 volunteers through various aspects of responding to a shooting, including room-to-room searches, and critiqued their work.

"I am here to try to teach the posse firearms and martial arts to try to help them learn how to respond quicker and help protect our children," Seagal said.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-rt-us-usa-arizona-seagalbre91901j-20130209,0,6951242.story

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Reply Actor Steven Seagal Trains Arizona Posse On School Security (Original post)
Purveyor Feb 2013 OP
Deep13 Feb 2013 #1
pipoman Feb 2013 #2
cali Feb 2013 #15
pipoman Feb 2013 #19
hollysmom Feb 2013 #23
pipoman Feb 2013 #31
hollysmom Feb 2013 #34
pipoman Feb 2013 #36
hollysmom Feb 2013 #38
Light House Feb 2013 #24
lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #3
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #12
loli phabay Feb 2013 #33
hollysmom Feb 2013 #4
Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #7
Historic NY Feb 2013 #9
Ghost in the Machine Feb 2013 #13
hollysmom Feb 2013 #20
loli phabay Feb 2013 #35
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #11
hollysmom Feb 2013 #21
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #5
Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #26
longship Feb 2013 #6
upi402 Feb 2013 #25
Initech Feb 2013 #8
Smilo Feb 2013 #10
Uben Feb 2013 #14
Dash87 Feb 2013 #16
Hugabear Feb 2013 #17
Hugabear Feb 2013 #18
upi402 Feb 2013 #22
grantcart Feb 2013 #27
L0oniX Feb 2013 #28
Light House Feb 2013 #29
Cleita Feb 2013 #30
llmart Feb 2013 #37
Initech Feb 2013 #32

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:32 AM

1. Seven-Eleven clerk trains hospital staff in micro-surgical techniques. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:46 AM

2. Don't care much for him

and despise Arpaio..that said, the guy didn't film debut until he was in his thirties. He went through a police academy or some such before that and has worked as a cop for several years.. IIRC..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:05 AM

15. He never worked as a cop but even if he had

what experience does he have in training?

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Response to cali (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 10:00 AM

19. By definition

a "master" of the various martial arts makes one a teacher of that art. Police trainers aren't anything mare than people previously trained..I've gone through some similar training and there are distinct ways to clear a house...they are nothing like what is seen on TV and made to keep officers as safe as one can be while entering and clearing. I'm not sure why this is so unbelievable, aside from the obvious assisting one of the most repulsive bigot pigs around..Further, IIRC, one of his primary responsibilities in NOLA sheriff's department, where he's been for years, is training..and martial arts training of police officers saves lives..less than lethal control of suspects..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:49 PM

23. school security is more than martial arts it is crisis management as well.

He could be wonderful at martial arts and want to help with all his heart, but is he trained on hostage situations or on keeping the guns out of the school in the first place?
I have no problem with him teaching self defense, but not so much school security.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:04 PM

31. It's one aspect of security..

and a very important one. I didn't think it indicated anything more than a training session. It is spaced repetition of specific exercises which makes one as prepared as they can be when their training must kick in. Just as a sales trainer visits a real estate office..the hope is that everyone takes something away that they can add to their arsenal making them better than they were..Someone has to teach school security, who would you suggest? How are they more qualified?

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Response to pipoman (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:16 PM

34. I think it is not as important as is strategy

I think someone who studied the history of combat and negotiation would be better suited and take priority. The odds are if a gun is involved physical challenge would not take place often.
Hey it's just opinions. Life will go on if we disagree. To me this was fame whoring for Arapio or what ever his name is rather than the most logical way to prepare a school. It was looking for a die hard movie solution rather than a practical way to defuse situations.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #34)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:00 PM

36. Go through a police acadamy..

it will change not only your mind on this, but also your outlook on many other aspects of life..

What I'm saying is that it is precisely the most logical way to prepare a school. You pick the best trainers in the many, many aspects of security. None are more important than another. Oh, and are you sure a negotiator is what is needed? I can't think of a single school shooter who was taking hostages. I can't think of one who took their finger off the trigger long enough to talk about anything. No, it is about diversion and disarming. The time for "defusing" is over, tactical advantage is necessitated.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:28 PM

38. I am not sure what exactly you are saying about police training.

You agree that a lot of different training is needed, but Arpapio or what ever is not publicizing any other skill set training, so isn't that lopsided if that is all he is doing? If he is only doing martial arts, that is not enough.

Didn't the Amish girl killer take hostages in that school? When kids do the shooting there is no hostages, but when adults do it, I think there can be. then there was the man who blew up a school with kids in it, but that is different from all others - security would have to secure the building so no one could plant a bomb in it. The point being that no one shooting is exactly like the others, there are all kinds of differences - to stop the movie killer, they would have needed someone with a gas mask and night vision goggles and protective gear - there is nothing they could have done to stop him except killing him until he reloaded. More strategy and planning is needed. There are people who secure public buildings and train the staff to keep it secure. O'Neill did such a good job with stopping attacks from inside the WTC, they had to hit it with planes. There are people who do strategy, cutting them off, isolating people , evacuating, etc. All those things are better planned out before hand.

All I am saying is teaching martial arts is not the be all end all answer. It will help in a few cases, but I think it is the least important in most cases.


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Response to cali (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:54 PM

24. I beg to differ with you,

 

he was a Deputy Sheriff in the Jefferson Parish in Louisiana for about 20 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal#Law_enforcement_work

Law enforcement work

Seagal is currently a Reserve Deputy Chief of the Sheriff's Office in the community of Jefferson Parish, Louisiana. Seagal has a second home in Louisiana, and spends several months a year there. He graduated from a police academy in California over twenty years ago and has a certificate from Peace Officer Standards & Training (POST), an organization that accredits California police officers. In November 2008, A&E announced that they had begun taping Steven Seagal: Lawman, which follows his work in the Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office. The series premiered on A&E on December 2, 2009. Seagal stated that "I’ve decided to work with A&E on this series now because I believe it’s important to show the nation all the positive work being accomplished here in Louisiana—to see the passion and commitment that comes from the Jefferson Parish Sheriff’s Office in this post-Katrina environment." The series premiere drew 3.6 million viewers, ranking as best season opener for any original A&E series ever.

On April 14, 2010, the series was suspended by Jefferson Parish, Louisiana Sheriff Newell Normand due to the sexual trafficking lawsuit filed against Seagal, a case later dropped. A&E resumed the show for the second season which began on October 6, 2010


His acting was really bad and his politics are distasteful, but he most certainly is a cop.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:49 AM

3. Don't expect the bad guys to take a dive like stunt men.



This is so damn lame it's unbelievable.

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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:22 AM

12. SNL: "Seagal will show the volunteers how to fend off attackers with simple editing tricks"

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:15 PM

33. lol. but i believe he is a trainer in active shooter for the parish he works in

 

So other than the free press and the chance to meet a ahem star the people on the course are being trained by a leo trainer and aikido master. Innannactive shooter scenario time is of the essence with barely minutes from start to finish so if you have someone who cannengage the shooter it gives more time for leo to arrive and takes the focus from target to you. I think its just because it him that this is innthe news as many districts are working on beefing up their active shooter responses.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:56 AM

4. movie experience comes in here - Dumb and Dumber

Not to discount actors, many have saved people's lives in accidents or crisis, but never have I read of Seagal doing that.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:29 AM

7. Steven Seagal was an accomplished martial artist long before he became an actor..

A 7th-dan black belt in Aikido, Seagal began his adult life as an Aikido instructor in Japan. He became the first foreigner to operate an Aikido dojo in Japan

He also graduated from a California Police Academy over 20 years ago, and has a certificate from Peace Officer Standards & Training(POST), an organization that accredits California police officers.

He is currently a Reserve Deputy Chief of the Sheriff's Office in the community of Jefferson Parish, Louisiana.

In addition to his professional achievements, he is also known as an environmentalist, an animal rights activist and a supporter of the 14th Dalai Lama Tenzin Gyatso, and the Tibetan independence movement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:48 AM

9. He likes to cite California...

but he has never produced a legal training certificate nor has any evidence of training been had...even wiki is still looking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal:_Lawman

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:38 AM

13. While that may, or may not, be the case, it doesn't negate the rest of what I pointed out

in reply to the poster who said:

movie experience comes in here - Dumb and Dumber

Not to discount actors, many have saved people's lives in accidents or crisis, but never have I read of Seagal doing that.


Just because YOU (not *you*, literally, but the poster I replied to) haven't read about something, doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

I myself have personally saved a few people from drowning, pulled two people out of a burning vehicle after an accident, while others who stopped were just standing there with their thumbs in their asses wondering what to do, and carried an elderly gentleman out of a burning house where he would have surely died. The this is, though, that you'll NEVER read about them, because I wasn't a glory hound and didn't stick around waiting for the ambulances, or news crews, to show up. Others who were present at the near drownings and the accident tried to call me a "hero", but I just said "No, I'm no hero, just a human being doing what I hope someone would do if it was me in the same situation". I never gave my name, and as stated above, always just left the scene. My "reward" was the feeling it gave me inside, knowing I did the right thing, and someone else was alive because of it. I had no need for attention-seeking.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from in all this, and sorry for rambling on. It's a little after 3:30AM here and I should be hitting the sack..

Peace,

Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:45 PM

20. and just because I haven't read something does not mean it has happened.

If you have an example please post it. I am willing to learn. I think a fully trained crisis officer would be a better trainer than an actor, even f they have martial arts - there is a lot more involved here than fighting.

Now Elvis Presley wanted an appointment by the federal government to fight drugs, and he certainly knew drugs, but that does not mean he was qualified to be a drug czar.

Congratulations to you for saving people, some people are frozen in a crisis, some are afraid, and then there is the person who actually does something i.e. you. And you know there is a lot of judgement and intelligence you have to act in such a crisis - it is not just save them, but how you save them, a drowning person can drag you dow if not saved right, but the judgments are so quick in your mind it is hard to realize you are making decisions. - I do think that sometimes it is worth staying around, not so much for the glory as to give a full recount of what you saw to the emergency personal, but I was not there and only you can judge if that was necessary

What I was saying about actors saving people was not so much to denigrate one person as to say that you are not unqualified because you are an actor, but actors are people too with many skills, and might be qualified, but I have no example of Seagal being one of them, If you do, please let me know.

I used Dumb and Dumber because the Arizona sheriff is not an impressive guy, seems more like a glory hound than a qualified trained person himself and instead of using a trained crisis person, went for the glory of using an actor to attach his name and be newsworthy.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:17 PM

35. i believe he is an active shooter trainer for the sheriffs office he works for. though using him gi

 

Gives more media attention.

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 03:09 AM

11. He supports the Dalai Lama, Tibetans resisting repression...and Joe Arpaio?

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:46 PM

21. we are all complex beings, you can like one part of someone and not another part

heh, most of my relationships are complex like that.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:06 AM

5. What could possibly go wrong?

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:00 PM

26. I feel better already!


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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:15 AM

6. Richard Chamberlain snags job at Harvard Medical School.

TV's Dr. Kildare (1961-1966) is now a full professor of internal medicine at Harvard.

When asked about his new appointment, Chamberlain said, "I played a doctor on TV for years and now I am ready to teach these young students how to play doctors in real life."

Unavailable for comment were Marcus Welby and Ben Casey.
:satire:

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Response to longship (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:55 PM

25. ChaRight!?! Next an actor with a monkey co-star will become President.

Or a steroid laden muscle-mut will be appointed to President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports, by the monkey co-star President.
Yeah right.

Oh wait!

what if this...

Then the drug taking muscle mut actor sex abuser guy could be governor of California!

Oh gawd that would be nuts!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:37 AM

8. File this under "things that will not end well".

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 02:53 AM

10. Good lord these people are delirious

and they are going to end up getting more children killed because they will go in guns ablazing - forget that martial arts stuff - now renamed marshall arts.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:50 AM

14. Thats about like making GWB president......

...and will probably have the same result.....tragedy!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:04 AM

16. "How to effectively keep sex slaves in your basement 101"

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:39 AM

17. So he's gonna show them how to eat a dozen hot dogs without throwing up

Nt

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 09:40 AM

18. Remember folks, make sure you guard the cafeteria at all cost!

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:46 PM

22. is this from the onion?

really?
epic fail

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:04 PM

27. Well he did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:06 PM

28. Ted Nugent and Chuck Noris team up to train LA police. n/t

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:13 PM

29. They couldn't do any worse that the LAPD trainers.

 

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:17 PM

30. OMG! He believes his own movies?

That's so stoopid.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:11 PM

37. My cousins know him personally.....

and both of them said he's a royal asshole.

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Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:06 PM

32. Sheriff Joe would make a great James Bond villain.

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