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Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:00 PM

LAPD to reopen probe into firing of ex-cop suspected in three slayings

February 9, 2013 | 6:19 pm
-- Andrew Blankstein and Cindy Chang

Los Angeles police announced Saturday that it would reopen the investigation into the firing of Christopher Jordan Dorner from the LAPD, apparently prompting Dorner's vengeful rampage that has left three people dead.

Chief Charlie Beck is reopening the investigation because he wants “to insure the public that the LAPD is fair and transparent,” Cmdr. Andrew Smith said at a late-afternoon news conference at LAPD’s headquarters downtown.

Dorner was stripped of his badge in 2009 after a police disciplinary board found him guilty of making false statements against his training officer, Teresa Evans. In August 2007, Dorner accused Evans of kicking a mentally ill man during an arrest in San Pedro.

The internal affairs investigation concluded that she had not kicked the man and that Dorner’s statements were false.

More: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/los-angeles-police-will-reopen-investigation-into-firing-of-ex-cop-suspected-in-three-slayings.html


Statement by Chief Beck: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/602469-nr13040sf-chief-becks-statement-regarding-dorner.html

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Reply LAPD to reopen probe into firing of ex-cop suspected in three slayings (Original post)
ellisonz Feb 2013 OP
derby378 Feb 2013 #1
ellisonz Feb 2013 #3
freshwest Feb 2013 #10
ellisonz Feb 2013 #13
freshwest Feb 2013 #17
ellisonz Feb 2013 #18
freshwest Feb 2013 #21
ellisonz Feb 2013 #24
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #38
robinlynne Feb 2013 #28
ellisonz Feb 2013 #29
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #4
libertypirate Feb 2013 #39
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #5
ellisonz Feb 2013 #6
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #7
ellisonz Feb 2013 #8
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #9
ellisonz Feb 2013 #12
robinlynne Feb 2013 #31
ellisonz Feb 2013 #33
2pooped2pop Feb 2013 #35
robinlynne Feb 2013 #37
2naSalit Feb 2013 #11
dkf Feb 2013 #23
2naSalit Feb 2013 #25
steve2470 Feb 2013 #14
ellisonz Feb 2013 #15
steve2470 Feb 2013 #16
freshwest Feb 2013 #20
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #19
dkf Feb 2013 #22
2naSalit Feb 2013 #26
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #27
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #30
kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #32
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #34
bemildred Feb 2013 #36
ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #40
bemildred Feb 2013 #41
ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #42
bemildred Feb 2013 #43
ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2013 #44
bemildred Feb 2013 #45

Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:06 PM

1. It's a little too late for that, isn't it?

What are they going to do, exonerate him for the firing that could have sent him down the path of anger until it ended in deadly violence? How's that going to work out?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:09 PM

3. Well he wants an apology...

...so maybe he'll get it and no one else will have to die for this whackjobs ego?

Sounds like a good call to me

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:43 PM

10. Yes, that was his main demand, wasn't it? To clear his name? Thanks for the links.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:55 PM

13. Yes indeed.

I think that's one of the more overlooked aspects of his manifesto - it's all about him.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:22 PM

17. And I'm sure he's watching the news all the time, too. He knows this is happening.

If nothing else, maybe he won't kill some other person, even if he doesn't turn himself in.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:33 PM

18. It's a win-win for LAPD. n/t

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:54 PM

21. Makes me think the LAPD has some smart psychologists or something? I'm not sure if this is typical.

It may be standard negotiating for getting out hostages, or bringing someone in. I don't usually follow crime stories except whatever hits DU, and certainly don't know much about this one. I'm also just about media blind by not having teevee and radio, so the way these things are being handled are new to me.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #21)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:10 AM

24. I wouldn't say it's exactly standard.

Clearly, this came from the top of LAPD and is being done for both practical and political reasons.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:48 PM

38. More like trying to get out of a lose-lose.

LAPD's reputation is so tarnished they almost have to do this. The chief himself said as much.

Dorner has really caused a light to be shined on LA's nastiest gang.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:37 AM

28. It doesn't look to me as if he is going to get an apology.....

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:45 AM

29. I agree it's pretty doubtful.

But it a the very least may put him on a slightly on a different footing (if he's still alive and monitoring the media).

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Response to derby378 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:09 PM

4. What if...they find they got Rampart 2 on their hands?

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Response to derby378 (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:50 PM

39. The LAPD are chaning the narrative.

And buy the public's support through their 1 million dollar bribe. This is all about saving hundreds of millions in lawsuits, which is fruitless at this point.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:09 PM

2. Ok...I shared this with hubby

Chuckles all around.

Then we started talking of what might seriously be going on? Truth is always stranger than fiction.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:12 PM

5. Forgot to recommend

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:21 PM

6. Yay for new developments.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:24 PM

7. And if they find he had grounds to have people on the BOR

Dismissed for conflict of interest, we call that a can of worms. I suspect part of it might be a slew of FOIAs from the likes of Anderson Cooper. Easy to cow local reporters, national based in another state, not so much.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:35 PM

8. Agreed.

I would add though and knowing full well that I'm likely to be flamed for it, that Chief Charlie Beck is doing a solid job as LAPD Chief. I much prefer him to even Bratton.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:42 PM

9. This is the kind of crisis that makes or breaks a chief.

And IMO Bratton creatively lied n CNN the other night.

He still has a can of worms with the two shootings, one putting one woman n ICU. I expect LA City to quietly settle. They want as little of this in the courts.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:53 PM

12. I think Bratton lied the other night too.

I think it's fair to say though that this mess is not Beck's making and this step is a good one in attempting to resolve it. Those police officers fucked up - but they didn't fuck up because of something that the brass did.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #12)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:19 AM

31. why do you say that? Don't you think direct commands were given about how and when to shoot?

Do you think two different trucks were shot up by "rogue" cops? 43 bullets in the blue truck?

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:40 AM

33. No rather

That Bratton claimed to not recall any particulars of Dorner's review board and discharge or meeting him when he gave him the coin. I find it hard that someone like Bratton would not be able to recollect anything at all about this and I thought he was concealing his thoughts about the ramifications of this scrutiny in terms of his actions.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/08/ac360-video-chief-bratton-on-dorner-package-sent-to-andersoncooper-and-cnn/?iref=allsearch

Bratton said that he reviews hundreds of cases every year, but how many of those result in termination?

I think I misread what Nadin was writing (and she was unclear) - Bratton does not have a can of worms with the shooting - he has a can of worms with LAPD re-opening this investigation - he signed off on its conclusion, he would certainly be relevant to its further investigation.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:14 AM

35. He said he didn't remember the coin?

I thought I read a story about the things sent to Anderson Cooper and the coin, now with bullet holes was in there. I thought the story said that the guy who gave him the coin felt odd or something seeing it all shot up like that.

Or something like that. It may be someone else. I will try to find the story to see if it is indeed this guy that doesn't remember it now.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #33)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:17 PM

37. ohh. I misunderstood.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:51 PM

11. I just watched the CNN

spots and I have to wonder at the former chief's comments and what the items in AC's package, like what's on that CD?

I think that the detectives who shot those women in that car were hoping for some prize for getting Dorner, they want him dead and asap so he has no voice. Only thing is, I think he chumped them really badly by sending that package. I would really like to see what's on that CD/DVD that he sent to AC. And he may be way smarter than half the guys looking for him. I bet he's not where they think he is. maybe he's on his way to wherever that former LAPD chief is to help him with his story-telling issues. Just a speculation...

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:59 PM

23. Wasn't it the testimony of the victim?

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:21 AM

25. I'm not sure what it was

I don't recall that they said in the one and a half segments that I watched. I was thinking to myself that it might be but I didn't feel like it was really addressed. AC was all about the coin with the bullet wounds from what I could tell. I wonder if he was even allowed to see it, in the news clip he said he hadn't seen any of the item personally. Bet that CD/DVD is at FBI properties now. The writing on it said something about it being the evidence for his exoneration...

You're probably correct though.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:08 PM

14. a bit off topic but wonder how true this is ?

Anonymous ‏@Occupythemob

RT @Twitter caught censoring #Dorner hashtag at request of #LAPD. Nice job Twitter. #ThingsYouShouldntDo http://thenextweb.com/twitter/2012/01/27/twitter-isnt-censoring-you-your-government-is/ … #Anonymous

at: https://twitter.com/search?q=Dorner&src=typd

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:12 PM

15. I'd hope LAPD has better things to do than censor twitter.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:19 PM

16. I agree nt

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:50 PM

20. I'm sure they don't... But let's *go there* for a second...

Especially since the RonPaul.com story broke. The evil gummit scared twitter, the eternal 'friend of liberty.' Like twitter wasn't set up to sell information to anyone, private or public all the time.

It's naive to think the social networking sites value our privacy in organizing our personal, so called private, networks. That's the stuff of movies, that they can't get any of it. They're voluntary contracts with info given freely and sold freely.

It's a business, they'd sell your name for a nickel. RonPaul.com is gonna sell their 170K patriots' information to the highest bidder - going price right now is a little over a dollar a head. Rather cheap, huh.

They'll turn anyone on or off on a whim. Meh!

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Response to steve2470 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:34 PM

19. If true, they believe it might give info to Dorner

But they mst realize, after occupy, hundreds of other hash tags will emerge.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:57 PM

22. I don't know what they expect to find that the appeals court overlooked.

 

Unless they are going to say the two hotel employees were coerced into their testimony.

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Response to dkf (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:25 AM

26. Or they intend to do some artful editing...(nt)

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:29 AM

27. Chief Beck is a piece of shit. They only want this man dead

 

and this may be an attempt to flush him into the open in hopes of sharing his story. I read a tweet, unconfirmed, that some 50 LAPD officers have protection assigned to their homes. They're afraid? Now they know how Rodney King felt, how the poor and people of color feel, even how activists feel when they come around.


"Officers beat a homeless man for eating sunflower seeds on San Julian Street as onlookers plead for them to stop. Man is subsequently taken away in an ambulance."




"Los Angeles Police body SLAM 5' 4" woman after cell phone infraction-stop Aug 28 2012"




Cop repeatedly batons OccupyLA member who is being restrained upon the ground

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:04 AM

30. He wants to "insure the public"?

With the trigger happy LAPD goons running amok, insurance for the public is a good idea.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:30 AM

32. I read the entire manifesto...

lots of troubling information there. The information on how he secured his guns and ammunition is very alarming. His thoughts on gun control are not unworthy of consideration. He is very angry and very dangerous.

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:13 AM

34. Kick

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Response to ellisonz (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:26 AM

36. Villaragosa looked like he ate a bug last night.

Worse than Willard in round three of the debates.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #36)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 01:54 PM

40. Please elaborate. Thank you. eom

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:28 PM

41. Nothing to elaborate on, he was nervous and unhappy.

No mystery about it.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:40 PM

42. What I meant was did he look like he swallowed a bug because

of the overall situation or was there something that's come to light that was distasteful at that moment?

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:46 PM

43. Scared was what I got, but otherwise nothing special.

No sign of Dorner sinced Thursday morning near as I can figure, up there in the snow at Big Bear, humping all his stuff somewhere.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:02 PM

44. I suspect his burning truck was part of his overall plan of action and

that he perhaps hiked to a backup vehicle which he has since used to leave the area. I have fully expected to hear of another strike by Dorner elsewhere while the attention is on Big Bear.

This is reminiscent of the Eric Rudolf thing some years back.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:20 PM

45. I given up trying to figure it out, I'm waiting for the next sighting.

Too many unknowns.

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