the argument is a universal NICS check is too expensive for private gun sales

[backwoodsbob]

HOW THE FUCK can it be too expensive?

The info is ALREADY out there.Allowing NICS checks for private gun sales on a system that ALREADY exists would cost too much?

BULLSHIT

This is from a gun owner.OPEN the NICS system to private sales.How hard would it be to have the local gun dealers who already access the system to run checks on private buyers?

GOD DAMN...if it's that fucking expensive take a billion or so from the MIC to pay for it.

Lets get this done

[Deep13]

1. Unregulated transfers are too expensive for society.

FFL dealers charge a fee to facilitate a regulated transfer, so someone is just going to have to eat the $30 or whatever.

[dballance]

2. Just Like we Eat the Fee Every Time Title to a Car is Transferred or House is Sold

Total BS argument. Some of those guns cost more than the first car I owned. So if you can afford the gun you can afford to pay for your background check.

[Deep13]

6. Costs less than some boxes of ammunition. nt

[backwoodsbob]

3. let's take the billion or so a year from the MIC

and get this done.

Lets get this done.

When you sell a firearm through a ffl using the NICS system you get a receipt that absolves you of anything that happens with that firearm from that point on.

If you sell without using the NICS and the gun is used illegally,you share half the blame for any criminal/civil action caused by misuse of that gun.

The gun problem can be solved if we use common sense instead of yelling at each other.

[Heimer]

10. Remind me to never let you borrow a pen.

I'd hate to be found half liable for what you write with it..

[backwoodsbob]

11. remind me to never give credit to your posts

I'd hate to be half responsible for such dribble

[ManiacJoe]

4. The problem tends to be the obnoxiously high fees charged by the FFLs.

Many dealers like to "penalize" the buyers for not buying from them with high fees for the NICS checks, like they already do for interstate sales.

Of course, a little context for your post would be nice.

[backwoodsbob]

5. what context do you need?

dealers want to charge 30 bucks per check?..ok...how much do we spend on the MIC per year?

Take whatever it takes from them to fully fund the system and get private sales regulated free to the seller.

Hell...make it a government payment of 30 bucks per check and you will create a cottage industry of private sales mediators

[Deep13]

7. My local dealer charges $20.

He actually charges more to sell something on consignment from a customer (I won't sell without the background check) than to accept delivery and do the FBI check for an internet sale.

[ManiacJoe]

8. Yah, some charge reasonable fees.

However, it would be better to not need to involve a dealer in a private intrastate sale.

[backwoodsbob]

9. why?

if it costs you nothing and can be done in a matter of minutes why should intrastate sales be exempt?

[ManiacJoe]

13. Not exempt, just without the dealer.

The problem with going to the dealer is the travel and the high fees charged by the dealer.

If the dealer can just pick up the phone for a NICS check, why can't I do the same thing?

[Hoyt]

18. Privacy concerns, record keeping, accountability to name a few reasons. Needs to go through FFL.

[HooptieWagon]

12. I don't see why they would be so expensive.

The data is already there. If a FFL is charging a high fee, someone will come along and undercut his price.
I am in favor of this, I think most gun-owners would be too. This will actually make a measurable dent in gun deaths, unlike banning weapons that are seldom involved in gun deaths, or banning cosmetic features that are easily side-stepped.

[backwoodsbob]

14. I"m with ya there

If we use our imagination this would easily work.Have the system open to anyone who..say...issues hunting licenses and pay them a nominal fee.Problem solved.

[aikoaiko]

15. We could just open NICS to general public

You could have a random number on the back of state issued IDs that is linked to your NICS data.

The buyer tells the seller the number, the seller calls NICS and punches in the number, and the info back is go or no go.

It could be free!

[Crepuscular]

16. Not in favor of opening NICS to general public.

I do favor requiring that all transfers go through a FFL license holder. BATF should just set a reasonable fee that would be charged by FFL holders ($25) and require that all sales go through licensed dealers. Allowing the public access to NICS would be an enforcement nightmare, individuals are not going to keep a bound book that can be easily examined and they have no bricks and morter investment that would be jeopardized for violations.

[libtodeath]

17. It should be expensive,owning a killing device should not be free and easy...sheesh

[backwoodsbob]

21. come on

we are trying to come up with solutions that work.Why be snarky?

[libtodeath]

23. What was snarky?

i have no problem with making those that cost law enforcement much expense pay for it.

[backwoodsbob]

24. and in the process

make it too expensive for the average Joe to have what the elite have?

[libtodeath]

26. Cigs are close to ten bucks a pack

smoking is down,guess it works and saves money in the long run.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

27. And doing a good job of it BWB.

[Recursion]

19. Have states let you check a box when you get your Drivers License

that gives you a NICS ID number on your license. The seller looks at it, goes to a web page or calls an 800 number, and gets a yes or no.

This is simple stuff, people.

[Heimer]

22. Simple stuff indeed.

Also something I think most gun owners would agree with.

[Recursion]

28. There's a reason 95% of gun owners aren't in the NRA

I wish there were a lobby for them.

[hootinholler]

20. Just issue a license

Want to buy a gun? Show me your license. It has an 800 number on the back that lets me verify it hasn't been revoked.

[HereSince1628]

25. I know nothing about this...but I read that to use NICS you must complete certification training.

Considering the reality that we are sometimes talking about personal information that could be VERY damaging in the wrong hands, I think it's reasonable to require training at cost and have that cost compensated in the fees of the permitting process.