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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:59 PM

Watching Bill Maher tonight and they have Tina Brown on talking about Heaven as being real...

From what I gather, there is this scientist who claims he went to heaven when he was dead on the table. What he experienced before he was revived, he claims, was heaven.

Now I was in the same situation, Near death, pumped full of Ativan and Morphine, on the machine and I had a full range of out of body experiences. I was convinced that I had died and was haggling with Beelzebub himself. I could feel myself being pull out of my body and I was having a range of out of this world experiences that could only be possible if I had an out of body happening.

It sure did seem real, as a matter of fact, the memories of that time when I was in the isolation ward pumped full of drugs with a respirator clamped on my face and a trac tube jammed through my throat are still as vivid today, nearly 9 years later. They were real to me.

I went back to check out the tv schedule on line when I got home and sure enough, there were a whole bunch of shows that were responsible for my visions.

That's all I have to say about near death experiences.

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Reply Watching Bill Maher tonight and they have Tina Brown on talking about Heaven as being real... (Original post)
WCGreen Feb 2013 OP
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #1
BainsBane Feb 2013 #2
HERVEPA Feb 2013 #6
RudynJack Feb 2013 #15
HERVEPA Feb 2013 #20
RudynJack Feb 2013 #21
HERVEPA Feb 2013 #23
MattBaggins Feb 2013 #3
Honeycombe8 Feb 2013 #4
WCGreen Feb 2013 #17
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #5
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #7
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #8
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #9
intaglio Feb 2013 #10
CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #11
RudynJack Feb 2013 #16
intaglio Feb 2013 #12
SidDithers Feb 2013 #18
Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #13
Blue_In_AK Feb 2013 #14
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #19
Beringia Feb 2013 #22

Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:18 AM

1. I've had OOBE's before that are crystal clear to me, right down to textures & scents.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:30 AM

2. I saw that scientist interviewed

and mean to read his book. My understanding is that he doesn't describe it in religious terms but in a more amorphous sense of an afterlife. The guy is a neuroscientist and claims his meningitis meant he should have had no brain activity in the part of the brain regulating memory.

http://www.amazon.com/Proof-Heaven-Neurosurgeons-Journey-Afterlife/dp/1451695195/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:23 AM

6. He's full of crap. His being a neuroscientist doesn't change that.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:53 AM

15. He's not a neuroscientist

He's a neurosurgeon.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:01 AM

20. whatever. Changes nothing. All woo.

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Response to HERVEPA (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:15 PM

21. Of course it's all woo.

But people keep pretending that his experience is more meaningful because he's a "neuroscientist".

He's a neurosurgeon - a glorified mechanic. A highly trained, highly educated mechanic. His personal experiences have no more weight than anyone else's.

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Response to RudynJack (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:47 PM

23. Glad to see we agree

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:31 AM

3. Two summers ago I had my bypass

I remember being brought out from the anesthesia and hallucinating the same scenario over and over as I slowly woke up. I sure hope that wasn't heaven.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:32 AM

4. So they were working on you with drugs in your home with the tv on?

Is that what you mean?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:12 AM

17. In the isolation ward of the Hospital...

They leave the TV on so you get somekind of stimulation...

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:19 AM

5. I just finished reading a book called "Hallucinations" by Oliver Sacks, M.D.

He talks about exactly this sort of thing. I think you might find it interesting...

His discussions of out of body experiences and near death happenings are just riveting.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:26 AM

7. I just read that one too

Just spellbinding wasn't it?

I also read the one mentioned above, and recommend it. It's called Proof of Heaven. Highly recommend.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:28 AM

8. It was excellent!

I greatly admire Oliver Sacks. He is one hell of a great neurologist. He wrote "Awakenings" which was made into the Oscar-winning film.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 01:30 AM

9. Yep. I'm also reading his "An Anthropologist on Mars" right now

I love these kinds of books

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:18 AM

10. There's also "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat" n/t

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Response to intaglio (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:21 AM

11. Also excellent! n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:55 AM

16. I love Oliver Sacks, too

but I'll pick one nit. "Awakenings" did not win any Oscars.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:25 AM

12. There is a good take down of the effect described in the book by P Z Myers

Newsweek panders to the deluded again
The process by which the Doctor - Eben Alexander - formed his experience of Heaven is called confabulation.

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Response to intaglio (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:15 AM

18. Thank you for posting that. PZ is required reading...



Sid

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:44 AM

13. Spoiler Alert? n/t

 

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:47 AM

14. I had some similar experiences on acid trips

back in the day.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:16 AM

19. Convincing someone that their life continues after death is a good business...

 

They've been doing it for thousands of years.

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Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:37 PM

22. There is a good book "Dying to Be Me"

by Anita Moorjani, about her NDE. Basically that our emotions are what cause disease and we are magnificent creatures that should treat ourselves and others with love.



http://www.mediaondemand.org/73BCEBEB-3A99-49BA-B94F-BD129F33C90A/10/685/en/ContentDetails.htm?id=725A47F6-1DF9-4D61-8034-BD6D2232EF1D

I saw the scientist on Jeff Probst show along with the author Anita Moorjani.

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