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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:03 PM

Esquire: If Obama and Kerry put kibosh on pipeline there'll be mother of all hissyfits

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Latest_On_The_Pipeline
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It appears that a Great Sad has descended on some of the supporters in Washington of our old friend, the Keystone XL pipeline. From their lips, of course, to god's ears.
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said Friday that he is not holding out much hope that President Obama will approve the Keystone XL pipeline. "Though normally a pretty good optimist, I am not overly optimist that the president will allow the Keystone XL to move forward despite Nebraska's reroute of the pipeline thru their state," Upton said in a live Web chat on Michigan news website Mlive.com

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What will happen if the president and Secretary Kerry put the kibosh on the pipeline is going to be the mother of all hissy fits. The pipeline is an article of faith on the Republican right, not because it will necessarily improve this country's energy policy, but because refusing to build it would be a triumph for almost everyone the Republican right hates, and that hate is what propels conservative politics.
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Me:
We can only hope this comes to be, but, both Hillary and Bill Clinton were squarely behind Keystone deal, and I expect a deal was already made long ago, there was just no way she would allow herself to be seen politically as the one signing the deal.

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Reply Esquire: If Obama and Kerry put kibosh on pipeline there'll be mother of all hissyfits (Original post)
blm Feb 2013 OP
TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #1
Vincardog Feb 2013 #2
octoberlib Feb 2013 #4
KoKo Feb 2013 #3
blm Feb 2013 #9
KoKo Feb 2013 #10
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #5
blm Feb 2013 #8
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #16
blm Feb 2013 #21
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #22
woo me with science Feb 2013 #19
freshwest Feb 2013 #6
politicasista Feb 2013 #17
randome Feb 2013 #7
raouldukelives Feb 2013 #11
KoKo Feb 2013 #12
Junkdrawer Feb 2013 #13
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #14
freshwest Feb 2013 #18
timdog44 Feb 2013 #23
TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #15
blm Feb 2013 #20
Berlum Feb 2013 #24

Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:08 PM

1. Proceed motherfuckers.

Who gives a shit?

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:39 PM

2. I hope that the president and Secretary Kerry put the kibosh on the pipeline.

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Response to Vincardog (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:44 PM

4. +1 I know Kerry's meeting with

some Canadians to discuss it this week.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:43 PM

3. blm...Question...

How do you feel about the "Facking in NC."

I'm against it...trying to figure out what to do about it. How do you feel about it?

PM me........if you don't want to answer here.

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Response to KoKo (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:59 PM

9. Totally against it.

McCrory and GOP are set to destroy two of the best things about this state - NC's land and water, and its toprate universities.

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Response to blm (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:05 PM

10. Thanks...with you on this, for sure.

Just hoping something can be done...and I got some signs in my Garage...but, need new ones for this thing...

McCrory is getting "some" push back ...here and there.....but, it's going to take more going on down the line.

glad we are on same page on this one...

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:58 PM

5. Obama is the decider of this issue. He can't weasel out of it and blame it on Hillary.

I see what you are saying. But in my opinion all of the guessing games about who decides and when sort of distracts away from the fact that Obama is the decider. It's his responsibility to decide. If he wants he can choose to delegate the decision to someone else. But I can not imagine that any person can force the President to do something he doesn't want to do in regard to this pipeline.

Obama is 100% responsible for this decision.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:57 PM

8. You don't know what kind of deals she was making the last 4yrs to get the result she wanted.

Neither do I. I DO know that past deals that were made covertly didn't work out too well for Democrats or the country in the long run.

Any claim that the 'decision' hasn't been made is pure political CYA - it was always a State Dept. decision and there is no way Hillary spent the last 4 years studying the review process and could not reach a decision. She and Bill were always for it and they'll remind Obama how much the WH is perceived to owe them.

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But the rumor is that Clinton’s State Department is nonetheless about to recommend approval of the Keystone XL Pipeline, which the top climate scientists in the nation have unanimously called a terrible idea. As far as I know, though, Clinton’s subordinates haven’t reached out to ask them why. For more than a year now, it’s been one of Washington’s worst-kept secrets that Clinton wants the pipeline approved. And why not? Its builder, TransCanada, hired her old deputy campaign manager as its chief lobbyist and gave lobbying contracts to several of her big bundlers. Leaked emails show embassy officials rooting on the project; it’s classic D.C. insiderism. (And, weirdly, her rumored successor is just as involved—Susan Rice has millions in stock in TransCanada and other Canadian energy companies.)

And in one sense it doesn’t make much difference. Everyone in the capital’s also known that the Keystone decision, in the end, will come down to President Obama, who will weigh State’s findings and then rule whether the pipeline is in the national interest. When that happens, we’ll find out if he’s a more modern politician than Hillary, or if he’s still fighting yesterday’s wars too.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/09/hilary-clinton-and-obama-s-dismal-record-on-the-environment.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/09/hillary-clinton-keystone_n_2268536.html

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/29/bill-clinton-we-should-embrace-keystone-pipeline-video/

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Response to blm (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:19 PM

16. Ultimately it is Obama's decision and responsibility.

You are probably right about about everything you said. Hillary wanted it, and maybe promised it to Trans-Canada's agents or whatever. I'm not arguing with you or anything like that. At the same time Obama still has the power to stop it right now. He clearly has that authority.

This right here-
For more than a year now, it’s been one of Washington’s worst-kept secrets that Clinton wants the pipeline approved. And why not? Its builder, TransCanada, hired her old deputy campaign manager as its chief lobbyist and gave lobbying contracts to several of her big bundlers. Leaked emails show embassy officials rooting on the project; it’s classic D.C. insiderism.
- represents an absurd level of corruption and cronyism.

Obama went to Washington promising to change the way Washington worked and to usher in a new era of transparency and good government. Here's a chance. He's not under any obligation to honor corrupt secret deals.

He is responsible for approving or denying it. If a now-retired government official made a scandalous secret deal with the oil companies or their agents in a foreign government, then that is even more reason for him to reject such a deal. On top of the actual policy reasons.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:26 AM

21. Yes, but, what MSM will report anything that will STOP this deal?

They get TONS of advertising money from those invested in this deal being made.

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Response to blm (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:48 PM

22. Probably none

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:44 PM

19. +1

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:32 PM

6. The GOP has put this front and center, and Nordquist himself threatened Obama with dire consequences

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if Obama didn't yield. He didn't.

This may be their last chance to bluster on the budget and threaten the solvency of the nation over this boondoggle. Perry has likely signed on to this on his end of the stinker and various parties along the line could lose millions gambled on it. Obama deflected them and I hope Kerry negotiates something to satisfy these interests in Canada. Since the oil was allegedly destined for China and the Canadian companies made a threat to send it straight west and not run it down to the Gulf. Sure, the oil giants want this, but they have lost some of their power. It's going to be hard for those, big and small, who were counting on this, but it was never a true job creator. More progressives in office will put the energy companies' role in perspective.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:07 PM

17. +1

Hoping for the best.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:50 PM

7. Fear not the hissyfits.

For they are promulgated by imbeciles.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:10 PM

11. If we do indeed want vigorous action against climate change, this would be a good baby step. nt

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:13 PM

12. K&R...

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:14 PM

13. Hmmm...Suffer a hissyfit or the destruction of the nation's largest aquifer and a stable climate....

Tough call.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:16 PM

14. Btw, this pipeline will also do nothing for the United States energy-wise. Its owned by Canada and

will be barreled and sold on the world market. Never mind the environmental impact.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #14)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:14 PM

18. The Koches and others would make billions. They're the opposition party - not the GOP front store.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #18)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:05 PM

23. I think you have this right.

From what I understand, and I wish I could find the link, the Koch brothers own the refineries in Louisiana where this sludge is suppose to go. The refineries there are fine tuned to refine this dirty oil. And then it goes over seas and does not benefit America at all. If the Canadians want to provide this sludge, maybe they should build their own refinery up there. I have seen some specials on TV about how they pull this out of the ground and it is disgusting.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:16 PM

15. I don't see them stopping this, as bad as it might be.

I just don't.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:22 AM

20. Neither do I - I think this is the dance they are doing for deals made years ago.

I hope like hell I am wrong.

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Response to blm (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:33 PM

24. Right-wing Republican chickenhawk hissy fits are so boring

No American bothers with their whining. Republicans always have their diapers in a twist about something stoopid and wrong. It is so feeble, tiresome, and childish.

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