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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:34 AM

Interesting excerpt from Dorner's manifesto

Just now catching up on this story, so sorry if this has already been posted.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, this guy has a serious beef with the LAPD. Why don't they just come out and say whatever they need to to get him to stop and turn himself in, before more damage is done?!?!!!!

Journalist, I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won't, because it doesn't exist. It's not in my DNA. Never was. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from first grade to seventh grade in junior high and any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights, or calling me a nigger or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in neighborhoods where blacks make up less than 1%. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, CA. A fellow student, Jim Armstrong if I can recall, called me a nigger on the playground. My response was swift and non-lethal. I struck him fast and hard with a punch an kick. He cried and reported it to a teacher. The teacher reported it to the principal. The principal swatted Jim for using a derogatory word toward me. He then for some unknown reason swatted me for striking Jim in response to him calling me a nigger. He stated as good Christians we are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did. Problem is, I'm not a fucking Christian and that old book, made of fiction and limited non-fiction, called the bible, never once stated Jesus was called a nigger. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as a equal human being. That day I made a life decision that i will not tolerate racial derogatory terms spoken to me. Unfortunately I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high. Terminating me for telling the truth of a caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill man is disgusting. Don't ever call me a fucking bully. I want all journalist to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That's what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name. Below is a list of locations where I resided from childhood to adulthood.

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Reply Interesting excerpt from Dorner's manifesto (Original post)
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 OP
Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #1
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #2
Agnosticsherbet Feb 2013 #8
mythology Feb 2013 #12
Mz Pip Feb 2013 #24
randome Feb 2013 #3
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #4
EOTE Feb 2013 #26
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #28
libtodeath Feb 2013 #5
brentspeak Feb 2013 #6
Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #20
brentspeak Feb 2013 #22
EOTE Feb 2013 #29
Catherina Feb 2013 #25
2naSalit Feb 2013 #41
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #7
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #9
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #14
sibelian Feb 2013 #40
eissa Feb 2013 #13
HappyMe Feb 2013 #19
bklyncowgirl Feb 2013 #10
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #11
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #15
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #16
SQUEE Feb 2013 #21
bklyncowgirl Feb 2013 #17
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #18
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #23
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #27
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #31
ret5hd Feb 2013 #32
EOTE Feb 2013 #34
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #35
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #36
Enrique Feb 2013 #30
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #33
dkf Feb 2013 #37
Duer 157099 Feb 2013 #38
ScreamingMeemie Feb 2013 #39

Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:42 AM

1. When he started blowing people away out of vengance...

he lost any chance of getting much sympathy from me.

I don't doubt that there were injustices committed, but murder crosses the line.

I don't think people pretending to do as he asks will be of much use, anyway. His creation of an enemies list and his work to eradicate his enemies shows that he would not be appeased by a few words.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:43 AM

2. Not talking about sympathy, just understanding and a way to end this

Understanding motives should be part of solving a problem, don't you think?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:51 AM

8. He has murdered people out of revenge.

I suspect he is past the point where a few comforting words from the press, and no amount of promises from hs former employer will help. He will continue killing until he is killed.

This will not end well.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:53 AM

12. It should be, but I don't know that his posted manifesto is related to the truth

in any meaningful sense of the word.

You can understand people who have a consistent or at least predictable sense of what's rational. That's not to say that they are in fact rational, but somebody who's suffered from paranoid delusions for example or schizophrenia is harder. They may have a rational sense in their own mind, but that doesn't mean anybody else can see the rational behind an action.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:56 PM

24. And credibility as well

He may very well be telling the truth, but going off killing innocent people who have nothing to do with his grievances pretty much blows it.

Whatever accusations he made will just be blown off as those of a deranged killer. He wanted to expose injustice but committed injustices himself.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:44 AM

3. He was also described by his ex-girlfriend as 'twisted' and 'paranoid'.

The guy has had a screw loose for some time. Trying to find meaning in his scribbles should start from that point forward.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:45 AM

4. After they catch him (alive, hopefully)... the feds should investigate the LAPD. nt

 

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:58 PM

26. The feds should have investigated the LAPD long ago.

But I think the chances of them bringing him in alive are exceedingly low. If one good thing comes out of this horrible ordeal, it's that perhaps people will have less tolerance for the awfulness that is the LAPD. If any organization needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, it's them.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:59 PM

28. I'm 100% certain the LEOs have zero intentions of taking Dorner "alive"

no matter what the circumstances of his apprehension are...

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

5. No excuse can be made for murder but sure sounds like an abused and tormented person

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

6. Murderous nutjob simmering that a kid called him a mean name back in the 1st grade

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:16 PM

20. Not a mean name. He called him nigger, its memorable. Have you been called a nigger?

It has no bearing on the crime at hand ether way, but nigger isn't a mean name, its a racial epithet with centuries of abuse shame and hate rolled into it.

I also remember the first time and each subsequent time I have been called a nigger to my face, stuff like that stands out.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:46 PM

22. In most cases, being called a nigger is much more than being called a mean name

Agreed. And in the larger scheme of things, I don't want to minimize or trivialize the use of that ugly pejorative. But Dorner is still enraged and seething about an incident which occurred in the first grade by another seven-year-old.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:59 PM

29. He's also rather pissed that his COWORKERS call him that same name rather recently.

Maybe the LAPD should start screening for racist fucks, might do them a lot of PR good.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:56 PM

25. The guy's been in major depression since 2008 at least

As the economy keeps getting worse and austerity gets rammed down our throats even more, I fear we're going to see more cases like this, of people snapping violently.

We need to talk about depression. We need to fix our healthcare system, really fix it, not this bullshit for profit scam we have going. And we need to bring back patient/therapist confidentiality. And we need to get away from this model that places profit over the well-being of our brothers and sisters.

He's obviously (no shit Catherina) not well and I fear many more are going to snap as things keep getting worse.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:03 PM

41. Perhaps we could also take a good hard look in

the "cosmic mirror" of social norms and see that we, as a nation, allow bullying and name-calling and absolute disrespect of others and it has become a sort of badge of honor to some who think that use of the latest "put down" is a like making points in a sporting event.

Our social make up is sick and that needs to be healed, big time. Until we, as a people, decide to make the social climate more hospitable and respectful toward others, we can continue to enrich the medical industrial complex as they faithfully search for a remedy to a surface symptom of a much deeper structure problem. This situation is clear evidence of the actual social ill we treat like the ten ton elephant in the room.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

7. Wow - he's entitled to AT LEAST three cold-blooded murders, then.


At first I was all law-and-order and such, and then I read this and thought, "if he went through THAT, why,
as a society we OWE him the lives of several uninvolved people and the terror of entire communities wondering
if they'll be in his way."

I also think that every journalist in the United States needs to heed his request and investigate every instance
in Dorner's life that caused him the slightest discomfort or injustice. The single most important bit of investigative
journalism in our society is to examine the injustices arising from the education of Mr. Dorner.

I just have to shake my head and wonder why all those people in the Deep South who were terrorized by the
KKK didn't exercise THEIR right to kill as many uninvolved people as they saw fit. It boggles the mind.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:51 AM

9. Come on, clearly that isn't what I am saying

I'm saying that maybe if the LAPD just used this info to get him to surrender, maybe the killing ends. Is that so wrong?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:54 AM

14. Used what info? F that - I hope they leave him where they find him. nt


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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:50 PM

40. Perhaps, but why would they assume that?


People feeling sufficiently emotional to kill aren't very likely to be holding respect and reciprocity as their primary goals.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:53 AM

13. Excellent

I don't know what happened internally with his job at the LAPD, and honestly don't even think I care to at this point. Murdering an innocent young woman and her fiance, both of whom had nothing do with any of this, is simply inexcusable.

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Response to eissa (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:05 PM

19. Agreed.

He's a dangerous murderer, nothing more.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:51 AM

10. The Unabomber had a manifesto too and made many good points.

But when someone decides to kill innocent people that's when I stop listening.

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Response to bklyncowgirl (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:53 AM

11. And what about the women delivering newspapers in that truck?

Were they not innocent? OK, they weren't killed, but easily could have been if the cops had better aim.

Does their motive matter?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:58 AM

15. That must be the 20th time I've seen those women brought up.

And they have NOTHING TO DO WITH DORNER. IT IS A SEPARATE ISSUE ALTOGETHER.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:58 AM

16. OK

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:22 PM

21. Except that his tactics are purposely designed to elicit this exact response

Dorner is waging a one man insurgency, knowing that the LAPD as always will respond with overwhelming force and overreaction, this has gained him some sympathy and nobility in the eyes of a few.. there are FB and twitters posts out there already singing this murderers praises.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:59 AM

17. Did I excuse the cops? I seem to have missed that.

That the cops fired their weapons without knowing who or what they were shooting at is reprehensible. They should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. One does not justify the other.

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Response to bklyncowgirl (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:03 PM

18. The point was that motive is important. That's all.

I'm guessing you agree. The cops' motive was to find a killer. That is important to know, yes?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:55 PM

23. LAPD has been out of control for decades...

I read all 11K words. While Dorner is a troubled individual, what he wrote f LAPD was all but surprising.

What he wrote of his childhood perhaps should have screened him out of police work to begin with, but what he writes of LAPD tells me Rampart never ended. The Feds should look into it, perhaps federal department receivership is in order.

That does not justify murder, but explains it. Oh and his targets so far have not been accidental, LAPD, on the other hand, are.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:58 PM

27. Do you mean that kids that are bullied are screened out for LEO?

I would sort of think that would be a bunch of people, no?

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:03 PM

31. Goes beyond just being bullied

But I am sure you knew that.

There are folks who pass the initial psych, who later on departments admit should not. I will leave it at that.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:03 PM

32. And, by implication, those that did the bullying are OK for LE.

But then we already know that.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:07 PM

34. Cops want the bullies, not the bullied.

They fit in far better with the psychological profile that PDs are looking for.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:13 PM

35. I read the whole thing too

And I know the gods will smite me for this, but all I could think while I read was "Damn, this stuff is pretty good -- If you added this as a subplot to the movie 'Crash', that movie sucks a whole lot less..." I don't know why he didn't write a blog under a fake name, or sell some tell-all story or screenplay of his experiences with the LAPD and Navy Intel (even if he had to change names)... I don't know why he decided on this tragic course of action...

(full disclosure -- I've suffered from severe depression before, even to the brink of suicide, and the 'manifesto' read almost exactly like something I'd write, with the names/situations changed...Maybe that's why it strikes such a nerve with me....)

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:16 PM

36. There is that too, the depression.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:02 PM

30. my completely amateur internet diagnosis

which I'm sure everyone has been waiting for: narcissistic personality disorder.

Not to say that those things didn't happen to them, and upset him, but the abnormal part is that he wrote that manifesto and went on that killing spree.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:04 PM

33. Well after trying to work this through the system.

Don't forget that part. People really do not comprehend the reach of LAPD in so cal.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:36 PM

37. Policemen who strangle and want to put bullets in people over being called the N-word are not fit.

 

How does he imagine he will never be called that as a cop who get called all sorts of names I am sure.

Is he going to murder all citizens who say that to him?

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Response to dkf (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:38 PM

38. I certainly can't and won't argue with that

Clearly the guy had a short fuse.

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Response to Duer 157099 (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:41 PM

39. Serial killer Henry Lee Lucas was tortured and abused as a child...

I see no difference.

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