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Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:44 AM

Fox News Claims Solar Won't Work in America Because It's Not Sunny Like Germany

Ah, the Sun baked beaches of Germany in the dead of winter, where southern europeans go in winter.




Thanks to Fox News and its expert commentators, millions of Americans now understand the real, hidden reason why Germany's solar-energy industry is so much further along than ours. Turns out it has nothing to do with the fact that Germany's government has long supported the industry far more generously, with policies like feed-in tariffs that stimulate investment in green technologies. No, the real reason is much simpler, explained a trio of journalists on Fox & Friends: It's always sunny in Germany!

"The industry's future looks dim," intoned host Gretchen Carlson at the beginning of the segment, which was preserved for posterity by the liberal blog Media Matters for America. She and her co-host went on to ridicule Obama's "failed" solar subsidies, adding, "The United States simply hasn't figured out how to do solar cheaply and effectively. You look at the country of Germany, it's working out great for them." Near the end of the segment, it occurred to Carlson to ask her expert guest, Fox Business reporter Shibani Joshi, why it might be that Germany's solar-power sector is doing so much better. "What was Germany doing correct? Are they just a smaller country, and that made it more feasible?" Carlson asked.

Joshi's jaw-dropping response: "They're a smaller country, and they've got lots of sun. Right? They've got a lot more sun than we do." In case that wasn't clear enough for some viewers, Joshi went on: "The problem is it's a cloudy day and it's raining, you're not gonna have it." Sure, California might get sun now and then, Joshi conceded, "but here on the East Coast, it's just not going to work'

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/02/07/fox_news_expert_on_solar_energy_germany_gets_a_lot_more_sun_than_we_do_video.html



Washington State gets tons more sun than Germany. Germany is around Hudson's Bay Latitude


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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:48 AM

1. I lived in Germany for two years back in the 60's

I found it to be very similar to my home state of Washington. Germany got colder in the winter and more snow, but it had lots of rain and cloudy days. What kind of idiots to they find to put on TV? Hired for their looks, I'll bet. Not a brain cell to share between them.

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Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:15 PM

81. I lived in Germany in the 1950s when my dad was stationed there at Bitburg

Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)

and Wiesbaden. The running lament among all the mothers of my friends was that you never saw the sun. You could count the sunny days on two hands.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #81)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:09 AM

93. My husband was stationed at Bitburg

and we lived out of town in the small village of Stahl. We rented a small duplex -- the other half was a chicken coop. And on airman's pay, we were the working poor. Despite the inconveniences (no hot water, small space heater in the living room, 2-burner stove that didn't work if the oven was on) I loved the country and the entire experience of being there. Being from Seattle, the rain and grey skies didn't bother me at all.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:56 AM

2. Obvious ploy to push their agenda.

 

This is what we expect from FAUX News, and the people who believe this kind of tripe deserve what they get, except that they're pulling the rest of us along with them to hell.

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Response to cbrer (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:28 AM

38. Thomas Edison disagrees with Fox News re solar power.

"We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Nature’s inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. … I’d put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that."

- Thomas Edison, 1931

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Response to Divernan (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:20 AM

45. Prophetic indeed. nt

 

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Response to cbrer (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:21 PM

86. People think that because they are "news"

they are truthful, and don't realize that they have legal protection to lie without recourse. Until that gets overturned, and facts are what you hear on news, not lies, the people can't really be blamed.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:03 AM

3. bwahahaha

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:03 AM

4. This has to be prominent in every credible newspaper/channel/station.

Fox's credibility has been dropping like a stone and its viewership shrinking. This will make it even more of a laughingstock.

We ought to be pointing and laughing incessantly at them and at any idiot who believes this.

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Response to silverweb (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:56 AM

11. There is no need for "The Onion".....

 

........ FAUX provides their own parody!

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Response to rdharma (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:31 AM

17. It's getting harder and harder to tell the difference.

It's no wonder that we occasionally see parody posted here as fact before someone catches it.

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Response to rdharma (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:12 PM

68. Too true!



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Response to rdharma (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:55 AM

127. I feel sorry for the people at the Onion...

it keeps getting harder and harder to parody these people.

That's another point we should make, Faux destroys jobs!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:10 AM

5. Lies make bad arguments look good so now they'll lie about anything.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:19 AM

15. crispy desert rat

What is so sad is that people will believe this junk. Lol... I live in New Mexico and we rarely ever have any cloud coverage. Too much sun for this relocated northerner.

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Response to Motley Michelle (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:24 AM

16. I went to Arizona State

and hightailed it back to New York due to the incessant sun. Seems I need 4 seasons. And I say that while I'm watching the blizzard warning we're facing.

Welcome to DU

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:48 PM

74. You guys have nothing...

on the great central German desert

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:01 AM

97. Me too.

It was sunny only about 80% of the time. And even when it would rain, usually the clouds would show up, rain and be gone within a couple of hours, the rest of the day would be more of the same old sunny.

That of course is nothing compared to Germany, where it's sunny 138% of the time!

But then I wonder how many in Fox's audience could even find Germany on a map, much less have been there. So how would they know it's bullshit?

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Response to Motley Michelle (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:40 PM

67. Holloman AFB

Which is why the German Luftwaffe maintains a permanent training detachment at Holloman AFB in your state!

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:34 AM

25. That's because if

you tell a lie long enough, often enough and loud enough people will believe it. Although in the case of Fox viewers, they seem to have an uncanny desire for lies.

But then again, perhaps Fox News is just worshipping its patron saint, Dr. Goebbels.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:13 AM

6. If it was that sunny in Germany

the Germans wouldn't go on holiday to Spain wherever for the heat - which they do.

They seem to have achieved this despite their weather : Germany sets new solar power record, institute says.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/26/us-climate-germany-solar-idUSBRE84P0FI20120526

Here's a random link to their weather in the south today : http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2907911

And here's Los Angeles : http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5368361

On the odd occasions I've passed through Germany I have no recollection of it being particularly sunny any more than the UK.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:23 AM

7. I lived in Germany -- Southern Germany no less.

I now live in Southern California and have lived in lots of places in the US.

Germany is cold and wet.

We have a much sunnier climate than Germany. In much of the Midwest, we have lots of sunshine, especially during the summer.

England used to be downright gloomy and overcast. Athens, Greece is really sunny. At least that is the way I remember it.

The latitude and longitude in Berlin, Germany 52/30N and 20/32E 6:00 p.m.
The latitude and longitude in Mecca, Saudi Arabia 21/29N and 39/45E 8:00 p.m.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001769.html

Athens, 38°00'N; 23°43′E

Wichita, Kansas 37°41′N 97°20′W

Jacksonville, Florida 30°19′N 81°40′W

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_latitude

It's the North South one that matters here.

We are about half-way South between Berlin and Mecca and much of about half of our country is about as far south as Athens.

Fox News needs to look at a globe or at least a map.

Solar energy would be even more useful for us than for Germany. It isn't just Fox News. It's a lot of people. What fools.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:13 PM

64. Now we know why they scrimp on education. Even bad students should know they are wrong!

Steve Doocey, Gretchen Carlson and whoever the other soulless bastard is, seem like news characters from some comedy movie! Doocey is clueless and Gretchen Carlson just pretends to be. She is highly educated, and a great musician, so it's funny to watch her play the helpless, dumb blonde. I guess they think the viewers would get offended by a smart WOMAN!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:45 PM

70. I've heard that about her too

She is ivy League school educated yet goes on air attacking the Ivy League elites.

I wonder if she will ever, perhaps years after she retires, regret her choice of career as playing that dumb blonde and her role in the dumbing down of America.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #70)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 05:30 PM

116. I predict....

when Carlson retires, she will write a book about Faux News and she won't paint a pretty picture. It will probably make some money for her.

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #64)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:36 AM

112. Carlson makes a good living lying to the public and pretending to be stupid.

These people are beneath contempt.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:24 AM

8. Mind bobbling...

Mind boggling just doesn't quite cut it for how incongruous those claims are.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:29 AM

9. i hear haz is better. they do solar in scotland.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:46 AM

10. Joshi's jaw-dropping response: "They're a smaller country, and they've got lots of sun.

 

Where the hell did they get this Joshi "MORAN"? Buwahahahhahaa!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:01 AM

12. I live in Holland and have been to Germany many times.

I've never gone there for the sun.

I read that headline to my wife and she said "Are you kidding?"

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:05 AM

13. Gee maybe this is why they are losing credibility.

Ya think?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:13 AM

14. The stupid is so strong

that they actually believe their own bullshit! Maybe we need a new law call 'No Pundit left behind'!!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:53 AM

18. Blasting solar power has to be one of the dumbest causes,

Every house built should have a solar component. There should be serious government subsidies for installing them. I had an addition done on my house and looked into it, an it just was too expensive and any government rebate had expired. Obama was correct to try to jump start a business that could help make this country energy independent.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:01 AM

19. Imagine if they had shown pictures of Germany's biggest solar parks

 


Solarpark Finsterwalde


Solarpark Bruck Edit-Add--yeah that's not very big so here's Kothen:


Solarpark Kothen


Solarpark Liberose


Solarprk Senftenberg


Solar power in Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Germany

Germany is one of the world's top photovoltaics (PV) installers, with a solar PV capacity as of 2011 of almost 25 gigawatts (GW). As of 31st of October 2012, there were 31.62 GW of photovoltaics connected to the electrical power network. The German solar PV industry increased to about 7.6 GW in 2012, and solar PV provided 18 TWh (billion kilowatt-hours) of electricity in 2011, about 3% of total electricity. Some market analysts expect this could reach 25 percent by 2050. Germany has a goal of producing 35% of electricity from renewable sources by 2020 and 100% by 2050.

A feed-in tariff is the most effective means of developing solar power. It is the same as a power purchase agreement, but is at a much higher rate. As the industry matures, it is reduced and becomes the same as a power purchase agreement. A feed-in tariff allows investors a guaranteed return on investment - a requirement for development. A primary difference between a tax credit and a feed-in tariff is that the cost is born the year of installation with a tax credit, and is spread out over many years with a feed-in tariff. In both cases the incentive cost is distributed over all consumers. This means that the initial cost is very low for a feed-in tariff and very high for a tax credit. In both cases the learning curve reduces the cost of installation, but is not a large contribution to growth, as grid parity is still always reached.

Will Obama keep his promise to put Solar on the White House in his second term?

The US could be energy independent, if we wanted to. But the "leaders" do not want. It's that simple. The question is why.

That Germany leads the US in Solar is a major embarrassment. Shame on US.

And why didn't Clinton do anything at all, during the boom years?

Edit: Add- Hudson bay latitude: 60N
Berlin: 52N
Berlin is about 560 miles south of Hudson Bay (a whole 'nother climate)
Washington State:49N

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Response to green for victory (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:24 AM

21. Beautiful pictures.

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Response to green for victory (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:25 AM

37. Great information on the feed-in terrifs

I might add that there is solar on the White House grounds. My friend's solar company was a subcontractor on the job. The White House pool is heated with solar and there are panels on the service buildings that provide some electricity to the White House and for the grounds services.

But there aren't panels on the roof of the White House itself.

Carter originally had them on the White House. Reagan took them off because he was against the government forcing technology or some excuse. I think they went back on during the Clinton Administration. Can't recall exactly.

But I remember being in DC at an electric car event, the Tour de Sol, and some guys came by to look at our electric cars. I had brought my electric Ford Escort. I recognized the company name on their shirts and they told me that my friend Dan, who was in our electric car club, was their boss and they were just getting back from installing panels on the White House grounds and that it took a bit longer to install because the Secret Service inspected all their tools and all the panels and equipment being installed. But they were thrilled to be installing them. There were actually 3 companies involved. One engineering firm and two installation companies. All local to DC. I knew most of the installers back then because there only a few at that time. Alot of folks active in the alternative energy community, wind, solar and electric cars pretty much know each other since we all have a common interest so we have an "in" on what's going on. So that's how I know there is solar presently at the White House. It's just not "on" the White House. I doubt they ever will put them "on" the White House itself if they plan to expand the system because of the present roof mounted AC equipment, communications equipment and the security detail on the roof. So stuff like that is installed on outbuildings.


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Response to green for victory (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:31 AM

39. "Germany nets 20 nuclear plants worth of solar power."

http://www.secondpagemedia.com/jadblog/2012/05/germany-nets-20-nuclear-power-plants-worth-of-solar-power/
Following Fukushima, Japan is shutting down its nuclear plants, but back in the US of A:
"The United States on the other hand has this year so far approved licenses for two new nuclear reactors at Georgia’s Vogtle Electric Generating Plant – set to come online in 2016 and 2017. These would be the first new reactors in the U.S. since the anti-nuclear movement that was born out of 1979′s Three Mile Island accident. Nineteen other projects in fifteen other states are on the table presently."

So tell me again, who won and who lost World War II? In addition to lagging far behind other countries in sustainable power, take a look at what happened re steel production. A list of countries by steel production from 2007 to 2012, based on data provided by the World Steel Association, listing crude steel production (million tons):
2007 - 2012
1 China 494.9 increased 716.5
2 E U 210.2 decreased 169.4
3 Japan 120.2 decreased 107.2
4 US 98.1 decreased 88.6
Of the ever shrinking amount of steel the US does produce, how much goes for weapons of war, (our only major remaining export) and how much goes for infrastructure - bridges, buildings, rapid transit, solar parks, wind farms? Why build hospitals when we don't provide universal health care? Or modernize aging schools when we have to dumb down our population enough to provide cannon fodder for the military industrial complex?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:07 AM

20. Ichingcarpenter

Ichingcarpenter

Somewhere sit an old teacher Who is crying a little because of his statement... A teacher Who tried his or her best to educate a little Child geography, but now it looks like they failed misabely...

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:29 AM

23. Don't think it's Teh Stupid on Fox's part

It's the contempt for it's viewers which, unfortunately, is probably not misplaced.

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Response to sarge43 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:58 AM

29. sarge43

sarge43

So many americans seen to be a little ignorant of the world outside their own little neck of the wood I guess... If Germany have more sun, because of the size of the country - why haven't I more sun true the year - and why are I not in a hotter climate - as I live in a country who is far smaller than Germany, who is one of the biggest country's in Western Europe...

I think many in Fox news, really believe that they can show this outright contempt for the viewers as a matter of facts, but then again, you should never look at fox news for information and news - I had fox news a little while right after 11 sept 2001 - it was interesting to look at - but not worth the time as it was, for the most part outright rubbish what was said there - but it was a lot of entertainment though... Even though my head was hurting because of all the stupid statements...

Diclotican

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:30 AM

34. Faux News exists to make money for its owners

Until very recently, it's been successful because it provides its viewers with exactly what they want -- confirmation of their opinions and beliefs.

I grew up in the Midwest, specifically Michigan. I lived in Germany for six years. I know why most of my ancestors settled in the Midwest, specifically MI. Reminded them of home. Kick ass winters, lovely summers. All year around, some days cloudy, some sunny. Also lived in the US south for many years. It is sunnier than Germany. In southern California, natives get twitchy when they see a cloud; they're not sure what it is.

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Response to Diclotican (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 04:04 AM

110. Yes...

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:29 AM

22. Fox, where morons go to accelerate their senile dementia. nt

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:32 AM

24. The remnants of Newt Gingrich's party are baffled by the concept of things beyond the crystal dome.

 

When Gingrich took over congress,he chased anyone away who suspiciously showed signs of intelligence.
The idea of an expert in the employ of Fox News is laughable,like this video of a Fox Expert:
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Response to Rain Mcloud (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:27 PM

71. O'Reilly, oh really? Oh rotfl.

 

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:38 AM

26. And Fox (R) wonders why their ratings are in the toilet

they should try truth once in a while, instead if Republican, Inc. sewage

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:42 AM

27. Wow, apparently Germany just finished a new one: Solarpark Neuhardenberg and it's a DUzy

 





Neuhardenberg Solar Park is a 145 MW photovoltaic, and Europe's largest solar power station, located at the former Neuhardenberg military airport- Hey we've got lots of those!

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Response to green for victory (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:51 PM

88. How attractive.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #88)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:16 PM

102. Looks better than an oil refinery.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #102)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:53 AM

129. Looks like a cool place to levitate a future Star Cruiser

while in Earth dry dock when they lead us in the space race as well. Well done Germany. Too bad the US is stuck in the stone age.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #88)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:33 PM

106. Anyone wonder why the word Fukishima isn't uttered on the Mainstream Media any more?

 

Not a single thing about it. Why is that? It's an Ugly Topic? heh

Perhaps this is more pleasing to your eyes:


Land around Fukishima now radioactive dead zone:
Resembles target struck by atomic bomb



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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:48 AM

28. The Sunshine Country.

Almost can't wait to see my Faux New slug of a brother and hear him tell me this.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:02 AM

30. I'll admit I don't know tons about solar power but

aren't there batteries that store power when the panels don't provide enough power? And don't a lot of places employ wind turbines as a sort of back-up?

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #30)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:13 AM

33. If some of this money

 

http://costofwar.com

had been spent on battery tech we would have better batteries

There are ways to store solar heat too:

Solar Two used molten salt, a combination of 60% sodium nitrate and 40% potassium nitrate, as an energy storage medium instead of oil or water as with Solar One. This helped in energy storage during brief interruptions in sunlight due to clouds. The molten salt also allowed the energy to be stored in large tanks for future use such as night time—Solar Two had sufficient capacity to continue running for up to three hours after the sun had set.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Solar_Project



If some of the http://costofwar.com money had been spent on heat storage we could have better efficiency there too.

But we've got terriers to kill.

and more drones to build, cause there's gonna be 30,000 of them in our skies.

Solar or Drones, serf, which do you prefer?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:05 AM

31. The US has spent the last ~10 years perfecting this technology:

 



and building these:

Camp Bondsteel, Kosovo

While Germany has been perfecting this:



Aren't we all proud?

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Response to green for victory (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:47 AM

43. Imagine if we had spent all the money spent in Iraq

on solar and other renewable energy... jobs, lower energy costs, less pollution, who knows what else.

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Response to green for victory (Reply #31)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:45 AM

48. Now that we've got those damn things...

this might be an appropriate use...

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:06 AM

32. Well that explains the deep tans in the Berlin nightclubs

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:12 AM

35. Using the Fox climate change logic...

Berlin, Germany
Current Weather 13:00
Light snow
0 °C

Because it's not sunny right now in Berlin means Germany doesn't ever get any sun. Thus, it can't ever be sunnier in Germany than in the US. Thus, the purported existence of sunshine is a lie and a conspiracy meant to prevent us from exploiting our own natural resources in order to make us beholden to Solyndra and Big Solar.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:17 AM

36. Fox news:idiot "commentators" perfect for untraveled, low-information, gullible listeners.

Shibani Joshi is Fox's so-called "expert". Her husband, Rahul Advani, is the principal in an energy industry VC firm - Energy Capital Partners LLC - that seems to have invested a lot of money in large-scale coal and gas power generation plants and companies. They've spent some money on solar, but very little it seems in comparison to traditional fossil fuel investments.
Conflict of interest? Probably. Energy expertise? Obviously not. Business as usual over at Fox News.

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Response to Divernan (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:33 PM

80. Who mostly live in rural communities, far and away from common sense....

Not all, but most.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:32 AM

40. Ah, yes. I think this information came from President Romney's office.



To my memory he appointed his cabinet a week before the election, based on the prediction of his landslide on faux news. This probably came from his Chief of Technology.

Wow, talk about an alternate universe.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:38 AM

41. The first year I lived in Germany it rained or snowed over 200 days

That may have been above normal but the climate of Germany is on par with that of New York.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:45 AM

42. I . . . um . . . I . . . wait, WHAT???

The old "Wind dies, Sun Sets! Fossil fuels RULE!" hilarity. The knuckle-dragging is seismic.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:54 AM

44. Umm...OK.

Apparently no one from Fox has ever been to San Diego, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, Denver, Reno, Dallas-Ft. Worth, Austin, Houston-Galveston, New Orleans, Tallahassee, Tampa, Orlando, Ft. Myers-Naples, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, Daytona Beach, Jacksonville, Atlanta, Hilton Head, Myrtle Beach, Raleigh-Durham...and I'm sure a few other places.

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Response to titaniumsalute (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:00 AM

50. Fox viewers in those areas must have wondered too....

Maybe not...

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:22 AM

46. 'faux news claims' bwahahahahahaaa

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:34 AM

47. meh, same network via bill o'liely which claimed that no one knows how tides work.

honestly, are we really surprised.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:46 AM

49. LMAO

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:27 AM

51. I love how RWers are parsing it as "libtards are taking it out of context"

and "libtards" are ankle-biters for criticizing her.

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Response to mainer (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:42 AM

113. Conservative projection will never die.

I know that accusing others of one's own sins is a human foible, but right-wingers do it SO constantly and on SO many issues and statements (like this one) that I think it crosses over into pathology.

I honestly, truly believe that today's conservatives are not right in the head. I don't know whether to call it "mental illness" or "Fox-induced psychosis" or what, but there are a LOT of right-wingers who have obvious mental and emotional issues. A LOT of them.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:29 AM

52. They truly live in upside down world.

And it's sad that people actually get their world view from them.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:35 AM

53. "The industry's future looks dim," intoned host Gretchen Carlson....

No, the only thing that looks "dim" is the commentary on FOX "News."

I think you need the IQ of a turnip to believe the idiots on FOX.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:41 AM

54. A 30 second google query by their staff on the subject of available sunlight in both Germany

and the U.S. would have avoided this obvious display of ignorance. Oh well, who needs to waste their valuable time on objective research?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:26 PM

55. wow.

you know, I noticed my solar lights still seem to recharge enough on cloudy days to light up all night, what does that mean?

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Response to EC (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:31 PM

79. Into sorcery, huh? See the torches and pitchforks outside? Don't look, they'll know it's you!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:34 PM

56. It's because Germany funds their projects to the end (most of Europe too)

They don't allow their projects to come up for vote with each new congress, who depending on which way the wind blows, decides to fund or defund projects (one persons pork is another's super project). Look at the super collider (sp?) in Waco. Lots of scientists lost their jobs and went to Europe after congress decided to defund that project. It devastated Waco and surrounding area. Lots of people were banking on that project continuing.

We as a county just don't have the wherewithal to fund projects anymore, no matter the costs, to see actual benefits. Probably the space shuttle was the last one. Now, we are held to the whimsy of tea baggers in congress or blue dog democrats. No guts, no glory.

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Response to Hestia (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:41 PM

83. "We as a county just don't have the wherewithal to fund projects anymore"

 



http://costofwar.com

Ladies and gentlemen... I give you $1 trillion dollars...

http://www.pagetutor.com/trillion/index.html

Notice those pallets are double stacked.
...and remember those are $100 bills.

So the next time you hear someone toss around the phrase "trillion dollars"... that's what they're talking about.

shame

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Response to green for victory (Reply #83)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:20 AM

123. try $5 to 7 trillion dollars US (at a minimum)when interest on that debt & other costs are added in

 

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:56 PM

57. California gets sun every once in a while. How fucking stupid do they think we are?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:09 PM

58. Of course. Who needs West Palm Beach when you've got Stuttgart? nt

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #58)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:22 PM

59. Lol!

However, the sad part is that likely 90% or more of Fox viewers won't notice the misguided commentator's mistake.

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #58)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:55 PM

62. Obviously

you know what you're talking about.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:44 PM

60. jaw-droppingly stoopid!!

O.M.Fucking.G!!!

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Response to lastlib (Reply #60)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:43 PM

73. I guess so! I guess they have never been to

Florida or Arizona. Do those people at Fox News get out much? I wonder if the building is designed like some ones Mom's basement?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:46 PM

61. This makes me want to cry.

 

Their stupidity knows no bounds.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:01 PM

63. WTF would they know about it?




Rethugs/Conservatives are luddites and technophobes. Most people accept the
overwhelming evidence confirming climate change but they still hold out like a
petulant two year old with their eyes closed and their fingers in their ears.





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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:23 PM

65. I attended The University in the Sun.

Trinity University in San Antonio--that used to be their slogan.

There were five military bases in S.A. because it was good flying weather--over 300 days a year of sun.

San Antonio is at 29.23 N Latitute
Houston is at 29.45 N Latitude.

San Angelo is at 31.27 N Latitude. I think they have a military base there.

Cairo, Egypt is at 30.2 N.

Berlin is at 52.30 N.



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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:39 PM

66. Sunny Germany?!

I have never been there. However, my sister lived there for two years, and my dad was stationed there for a year in the Army.

All of them said the weather is usually overcast and often drizzly.

We had a Luftwaffe pilot at my former ANG base many years ago. He told us that the Luftwaffe comes to America and Canada to train because "the weather in Germany is so often shitty."

The Luftwaffe maintains a training detachment at Holloman AFB, NM (which IS largely sunny) exactly for that purpose! Prior to that they were at George AFB in California.

http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/AFB-Holloman/Luftwaffe.html

Of course, it's Fux Noise...what do you expect?

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Response to DissidentVoice (Reply #66)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:07 PM

76. I was stationed in Schwienfurt for three years

it is not always grey and dreary but from October to March it is flat out grey and dreary.
We had a detail (Army speak for a task) whose only job was to collect the dead birds right behind where we held formations.

Germany is the size of Oregon - Nevade alone (85% of it is own by the Federal government) could supply electricity for the whole country IF we develop better ways of storing energy.

Top 10 Solar Energy Myths
http://www.solarenergy.net/Articles/top-10-solar-energy-myths.aspx

Solar panels do not work in cold, cloudy places/states. UV light is all that's needed and even the cloudiest of places have excelled. Germany, who ranks low in sunny days, is the solar energy capital of the world. In fact, when the solar panels are cold, they are able to better conduct electricity.

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Response to underpants (Reply #76)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 09:56 PM

104. Pretty much what I've been told

I was in the ANG, so (unfortunately!) I know what a work detail is.

My dad was stationed at Erlangen and my sister and ex-brother-in-law were at Augsburg. My niece was born there. My cousin was stationed at Hanau.

Europe in general is way head of the curve on solar and wind energy.

Remember, Jimmy Carter put solar panels on the White House but Ronald Reagan had them removed.

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Response to DissidentVoice (Reply #104)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 12:39 AM

119. Hanau?

one of my fav towns.

I was stationed at Pioneer Kaserne, and lived in Erlensee

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #119)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:47 AM

122. Hanau

My cousin died some years ago, so I never really found out what he thought of the area. I know he was in the Ordnance Corps, and that he was in around the same time that Elvis Presley was.

My uncle (who inspired me to join the AF/ANG) was in the Air Force not long after it became an independent service. One of his hitches was in Germany (the other in England). I think he was at Landstuhl.

When my dad was there (late '50s) with the 4th Armored Div., it was the immediate pre-Berlin Wall era and it was a very nervous (to say the least) time. He told me about one time when the Soviets started making noise and his unit was put on alert, confined to base for something like three weeks at full readiness.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:34 PM

69. This is just one of hundreds of solar projects going up in the US

However it is one of novel design and use by a community.
CleanTechnica: http://cleantechnica.com/2012/12/27/biggest-community-owned-solar-array-in-us-now-online/

And check out the link to their impression of the Fox spews story this thread is discussing. (Upper right)

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:34 PM

72. I've met people who think solar means

we won't have any electricity after dark.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:53 PM

75. This is as mind numbingly stupid...

as Bill OReilleys "the tide goes in, the tide goes out, you can't explain it" comment.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:09 PM

77. Top 10 Solar Energy Myths


http://www.solarenergy.net/Articles/top-10-solar-energy-myths.aspx

Solar panels do not work in cold, cloudy places/states. UV light is all that's needed and even the cloudiest of places have excelled. Germany, who ranks low in sunny days, is the solar energy capital of the world. In fact, when the solar panels are cold, they are able to better conduct electricity.

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Response to underpants (Reply #77)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:08 PM

89. Our solar panel works pretty well on cloudy days

We pull in about 100-250 watts. Not as much as a sunny day, but pretty decent. Of course, we just got it installed in November. Can't wait for summer, when will hopefully sell electricity back to BGE!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:11 PM

78. Gee, America has actual deserts, not so much in Germany.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:22 PM

82. "As Bright and Sunny as Bavaria!"

That was the slogan of a local brew: I assume they meant it ironically, because it either rained or snowed the whole time I was there.

Where do they hire these idiots?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:53 PM

84. Ive lived in both

lived in Germany 4 years in 70s and live in WA now (40 years)

weather is remarkably the same. Less dense fog as Germany, we were at Rhein Mein AFB. Rain, gloom, check.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:56 PM

85. Assholes.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:50 PM

87. I'm pretty sure the Germans go to Greece, e.g., for the SUNSHINE. FOX MORAN is back-tracking now:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/02/08/germany-isnt-all-that-sunny-and-case-for-diversified-energy-world/

I incorrectly stated that the chief difference between the U.S. and Germany’s success with solar installations had to do with climate differences on a "Fox and Friends" appearance on Feb. 7. In fact, the difference come down more to subsidies and political priorities and has nothing to with sunshine.


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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #87)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:45 AM

125. 'political priorities' indeed, the gaping maw of the petro-dollar empire must be fed at all costs

 

Defense contractors spread out production of the war machine components to as many states as possible, so that a programme, no matter who wasteful and unneeded, will result in the wailing and gnashing of teeth over 'jobs lost' throughout the land, be it blue state or red state. This ignores the fact that these trillions spent on war (a negative activity) by the government would have been spent on producing tangible goods and services that actually had a postive impact on the overall economic ecosphere.

Military Keynesians like Paul Krugman, et al, keep perpetuating the big lie that any form of government spending, (even if is funding of infrastructure-destroying weapons of war) is good for the economy. This is a fundamental example of the 'broken window fallacy'.



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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:50 PM

90. Anyone ever get a sunburn

on a cloudy day?

Please proceed Faux!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:55 AM

91. Somehow I don't think the show "It's Always Sunny In Dusseldorf" would have had the same ring.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 02:35 AM

92. Support Media Matters.org - such great work daily - Fox, Limbaugh and the rest despise them...

Donate - large or small - we need them around for truth & exposing the lying republican right-wing propaghda forever.

mediamatters.org

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:11 AM

94. If after all these years you've yet to check out hoe great Media matters is

Check it out...You'll LOVE it! A big thorn in the republicans lies

www.mediamatters.org

(Donate)

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 03:40 AM

95. Fox is the single greatest threat to our way of life.

 

Our nation will never be unified to tackle a multitude of serious issues until Fox ceases to influence a large portion of our population with the stupid.

Pick any issue that is a threat to our nation and Fox pushes an agenda that is opposite to the most suitable solution. An agenda narrowly suited to generate profit for billionaires at our children's expense.

Fox: The single greatest threat to our nation. Truth.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #95)

Mon Feb 11, 2013, 07:26 AM

120. You are correct

Unfortunately, there's a segment of our population that's too lazy to think for itself, and as such can skew election results in favor of America's most pernicious sector, greedy malefactors bent on victimizing unsuspecting dupes. Capo Dick Cheney and rest of the Bush cartel used Pox (deliberate typo) to conceal and obfuscate the facts that would have led to their removal from Washington DC. and relocation to the Hague.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 04:15 AM

96. Right, it won't work because TRANSMISSION hasn't been invented yet.

How could we ever hope to get power from one part of the country to another? We'd need, like, an electrical GRID or something.

in case it's needed

I've never heard of Joshi before. Now I know why.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:11 AM

98. But I understand It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia


Couldn't we just get out power from there?

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 06:13 AM

99. And they wonder why nobody takes them seriously anymore. n/t

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:11 PM

100. the shame of fox lies propaganda- the damage is done with the initial statement.


I still think Romney and his buddies were involved when the chinese price uncut the ready to open their doors-American solar power facilities.

The price undercut was 40%!! and timed to occur after two years of work and our federal money went into the facilities.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:12 PM

101. As someone who was raised in Germany and even lived for awhile in Washington State (now CA)....

.....let me laugh my ass off at the suggestion Germany has more Sunshine....



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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 07:45 PM

103. Other corrections regarding Germany

1. It has a warm and sunny Mediterranean climate, with olive groves that produce some of the finest olive oil in the world.

2. The German language is not Germanic at all, but evolved as one of the Romance (as in Roman) languages that evolved directly from Latin along with all the other warm & sunny climate Mediterranean countries' languages.

3. Hitler & Mussolini did not not require translators, since their languages were nearly identical (refer to #2 above).

4. The current pope is German, which in ethnic terms is indistiguishable from the long lineage of Italian popes, until recently unbroken for centuries.

5. Most emergency room visits during Oktoberfest are not from acute alcohol toxicity, but from heat stroke, given the spirited outdoor festivities in the blazing hot German sun come autumn.

Since it's not April 1st, all this must be true!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 10:02 PM

105. Crazy like a Fox...

NO REALLY!!! CRAZY LIKE A FOX!

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:19 PM

107. We just had a solar survey done on our Seattle house

and given the amount of roof space we can generate about 70% of our annual usage, easily. We are south-facing with 100% clear sky view.

Seattle gets about 15% more sun than Germany. We already have a solar hot water system and turn the boiler off from spring to fall. The day that they installed it, it was overcast and drizzly. The water in the holding tank was at 100 degrees in a few hours.

I was stationed in Germany for 3 years (thanks, taxpayers!), at Sembach Air Base. Lots of cool, drizzly days, but when the sun came out (sometime around July?) it was stunningly beautiful. The areas in Bavaria we visited were sunny a lot more of the time - higher altitude, lots more UV available.

Solar definitely works in Seattle. Neighbors have their electric meters moving backwards much of the time, and they make a net gain at the end of the year with Seattle City Light paying for production.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 11:43 PM

108. Fox News Is As Legitimate As A Personals Ad On Craigslist

It is one thing to see Fox News and laugh at the fools, but to actually take them seriously is amazing.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:37 AM

109. The replies to this thread are comedy gold!

Thanks, DUers for all the LOLs and just plain DUzys.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 06:34 AM

111. So stupid, so stupid.

I don't even know what to say when confronted with idiocy on this level.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 08:43 AM

114. Fox News should disband

They're going to be laughed off the air. What idiots.

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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 12:00 PM

115. Solar won't work in America because we have FOX News

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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 07:58 PM

117. The Nazis would have won the war if it weren't for all of that sun.

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Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:20 PM

118. Would anyone believe that?

...okay, not "anyone," but how many? That's nuts!

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 09:01 AM

121. Hope they use mouth wash....

after spouting that shit. But then again, they have never let truth stand in the way of spouting BS as the truth. I live in Texas and I know bull shit when I see and smell it.

Been to Germany, live in Texas, been to the Southwest desert. Faux, faux, faux. Plenty of solar and wind

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:42 AM

124. *German facepalm*

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 10:52 AM

126. No doubt inspired by the Kansas Koch Brothers. n/t

Koch Brothers Fund Bogus Studies to Kill Renewable Energy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/koch-brothers-fund-bogus-_b_2253472.html

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Mon Feb 11, 2013, 11:42 AM

128. Just gave me the best laugh in ages!

I'd love to see this go viral on the "series of tubes" called the internets.

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Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:11 AM

130. It's always springtime for Hitler at FOX.

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