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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:44 PM

So, I'm wondering...

Was the cop who killed three people a "good guy" with a gun before he became a "bad guy" with a gun? Or was he always bad, or good sometimes, or good always, or bad sometimes, or maybe just spontaneously turned bad? How can you tell when a "good guy" will turn bad, and vice versa?

Get's confusing.

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Reply So, I'm wondering... (Original post)
Comatose Sphagetti Feb 2013 OP
RandiFan1290 Feb 2013 #1
Recursion Feb 2013 #2
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #3
magellan Feb 2013 #4
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #5
magellan Feb 2013 #6
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #9
magellan Feb 2013 #10
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #13
magellan Feb 2013 #18
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #20
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #16
magellan Feb 2013 #19
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #22
davidn3600 Feb 2013 #12
magellan Feb 2013 #14
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #15
NYC_SKP Feb 2013 #7
Timbuk3 Feb 2013 #11
H2O Man Feb 2013 #8
moondust Feb 2013 #17
Comatose Sphagetti Feb 2013 #21

Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:50 PM

1. This always helps me think

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:54 PM

2. That time he got fired from the police department maybe should have been a sign...

... that he was turning that corner. YMMV.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:44 PM

3. A guy killing innocent, unarmed people...

...is a bad guy.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you.

What's interesting, to me, is that there are so many people advocating taking away guns from citizens, but allowing the police to keep using them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022330462

That's a police state.

I don't want to live in one.

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:49 PM

4. A police state is not defined as simply as you seem to think it is. n/t

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Response to magellan (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:54 PM

5. Oh?

How would you define it, if not "the police have more power than the people"?

"I'm a cop. I can buy an AR-15. You can't."

That's a police state.

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:56 PM

6. An easy search of the dictionary definition will help you. n/t

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Response to magellan (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:59 PM

9. WTF?

Are you openly advocating that the police have ordinary citizens outgunned? That the police can buy things we can't buy?

You don't see any imbalance of "power" or "rights", there?

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:00 AM

10. Not at all what I said.

I said your definition of a police state is over-simplified, nothing more or less.

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Response to magellan (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:02 AM

13. You're going to have to expand on that

Why is a state where the police have more power and rights than citizens not a police state?

Where's your "dictionary definition" of "police state" that says this is OK?

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:12 AM

18. It's not simply a matter of the police having guns

...while the people don't, as you originally posted.

We have a pseudo-police state right now despite people generally having access to more fire power than the police. It's not only about the police having guns. It's about government using that and other powers to repress the people in various ways.

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Response to magellan (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 07:31 AM

20. I agree

...that we have a "pseudo"-police state right now. For one thing, the police have access to automatic weapons that we can't access as easily. For another, judges place the word of a cop in higher regard than an ordinary citizen, should you find yourself in court. Drones hovering overhead and a "unitary" President claiming the power to kill American citizens without giving them a trial, first. I'm sure the list is long, but the point is that omitting one doesn't lessen the fact that it's still evidence we live in a police state.

Cops having better weapons (i.e. more power and rights), government officials (not just cops) having more power in the courts, a unitary Executive claiming the constitutional right to deprive American citizens of a trial by jury; any of these is a sign that we're living in a police state.

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Response to magellan (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:06 AM

16. No reply?

Yeah, I thought so.

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:14 AM

19. Sorry

I don't sit here waiting for Timbuk3 to post something.

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:40 AM

22. "I'm a cop. I can arm myself and you can't." says the same fucking thing.

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Response to magellan (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:00 AM

12. I'd feel better if we had a solid 4th amendment

We don't anymore.

Over time the police have been given far too much power. Now we got a federal government that is spending billions and billions of dollars to see what emails im sending to Grandma and putting drones in the air with kill lists.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:03 AM

14. +1 n/t

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:04 AM

15. Amen to that

I couldn't agree more.

If I had one wish granted, it would be that so called "liberals" give up their pointless screams to ban guns and high capacity magazines, measures which WILL NOT PASS, and go after the extra-judicial killing of Americans by a "unitary" chief executive.

Let's fight for something we can win!

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Response to Timbuk3 (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:57 PM

7. +1 nt

The only gunless world I want would require no cops with guns, no soldiers with guns, no guns for anyone.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:00 AM

11. Exactly

Take the same guns away from the military/the police that are denied to citizens.

Anything else is a police state.

It's the only way I'll support banning guns to citizens.

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:58 PM

8. legalize lonnie anderson's hair

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Response to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:12 AM

17. Please contact Wayne LaPierre.

He's the authority on how all that works.

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Response to moondust (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:35 AM

21. Well said.

And it is the point I was trying to make when I started the thread.

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