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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:54 PM

UNACCEPTABLE! Brennan Stops Short Of Calling Waterboarding "Torture"

US News and World Report:
The White House's pick for CIA chief says the harsh interrogation technique known as waterboarding is reprehensible and should not be used on terror suspects — but he is refusing to call it a form of torture.
John Brennan says waterboarding should have never been legal and will never be used under his watch if he is confirmed as the Central Intelligence Agency director.

But he stopped short several times of calling it torture despite pointed questioning Thursday by Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2013/02/07/cia-pick-avoids-calling-waterboarding-torture



UPDATE:
Torture in the USA is now a joke


Three hours into John Brennan’s confirmation hearing, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.) cracked a joke about harsh interrogation techniques.

“I’ll be brief,” Burr told the nominee to lead the Central Intelligence Agency. “I see you’re on your fourth glass of water and I don’t want to be accused of waterboarding you.”


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/02/07/richard-burr-cracks-waterboarding-joke/

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Reply UNACCEPTABLE! Brennan Stops Short Of Calling Waterboarding "Torture" (Original post)
kpete Feb 2013 OP
Solly Mack Feb 2013 #1
kpete Feb 2013 #2
Solly Mack Feb 2013 #3
robinlynne Feb 2013 #4
kpete Feb 2013 #5
robinlynne Feb 2013 #10
former9thward Feb 2013 #17
robinlynne Feb 2013 #23
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #26
Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #6
RickFromMN Feb 2013 #15
former9thward Feb 2013 #18
RickFromMN Feb 2013 #37
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #7
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #8
robinlynne Feb 2013 #11
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #14
robinlynne Feb 2013 #21
OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #24
robinlynne Feb 2013 #32
robinlynne Feb 2013 #34
robinlynne Feb 2013 #35
robinlynne Feb 2013 #33
xocet Feb 2013 #9
robinlynne Feb 2013 #12
Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #13
Bonobo Feb 2013 #16
robinlynne Feb 2013 #22
Solly Mack Feb 2013 #19
appal_jack Feb 2013 #27
Jack Rabbit Feb 2013 #20
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #29
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #25
Ron Obvious Feb 2013 #28
valerief Feb 2013 #30
1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #31
Heywood J Feb 2013 #36

Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:55 PM

1. K&R

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:56 PM

2. continuing

the cover-up

seen this movie before haven't we?
peace, kp

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Response to kpete (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:57 PM

3. Exactly

Can't be honest about your actions,..will never be honest in dealing with them.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:58 PM

4. becuase he is one of the people responsible for our country's use of waterboarding, isn't he?

If he admits it is torture, he admits committing a crime.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:59 PM

5. bingo

nice and neat


peace, kp

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Response to kpete (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:07 PM

10. I mean literally. the Hague. He can be arrested internationally. There is documentation linking

him to the implementation of waterboarding.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:07 PM

17. He can't be arrested here.

The U.S. is not a signatory to the International Criminal Court. They have no jurisdiction in the U.S.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:39 PM

23. he certianly cant have no head of the CIA job, that's for sure...

And we are signataries of some international laws about crimes including torture.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:55 PM

26. Link? nt.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:59 PM

6. They will NEVER call it torture

Because once the Obama administration lets that word loose, then the stage is set for war crimes charges.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:00 PM

15. I think you hit it. If government says it's torture, they're expected to turn the defendants over.


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Response to RickFromMN (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:08 PM

18. Turn over to where?

The U.S. is not part of the International Criminal Court. They have no jurisdiction.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 10, 2013, 11:34 PM

37. You ask a good question.


There must be an international, or should I say, United Nations way to try war crimes.

I consider torture to be a war crime.

The United States could hardly be expected to give an impartial trial internally.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:00 PM

7. Somebody should waterboard Brennan

then we'll see if he thinks it's torture.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:03 PM

8. So, Brennan says waterboarding is illegal and will never be used under his watch....

...but your main concern is that he didn't directly call it a form of torture?

Come on.



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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:08 PM

11. He is denying what he has done uner W. I believe that is the point.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:27 PM

14. He personally didn't conduct or order torture under W...

...in fact, his bio at the CIA from 1999-2005 clearly indicates he was working on the analyst side of the CIA, not the operations side which would have conducted or overseen the waterboarding:

*1999: Appointed chief of staff to George Tenet, then-Director of the CIA.

*2001: Brennan became deputy executive director of the CIA in March 2001.

*2003-2004: Director of the newly created Terrorist Threat Integration Center, an office that sifted through and compiled information for President Bush's daily top secret intelligence briefings and employed the services of analysts from a dozen U.S. agencies and entities.

*2004-2005: His last post within the Intelligence Community was as director of the National Counterterrorism Center which incorporated information on terrorist activities across U.S. agencies.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:36 PM

21. he helped to create the "legality" of torture. without which it couldnt have happened. he is one of

the sponsors of torture.

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Response to robinlynne (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:52 PM

24. Link? nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:17 PM

32. google his name here on DU. you will see several articles. On tv just now, they called d him

the architect of drone strikes as well. (I didnt know that part until juts now)

I read several article s about him, all damaging. he was one of the worst torture proponents under W. That is why code pink was in the hearing protesting today.
He represents water boarding.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:24 PM

35. link to "assasination czar john Brennan"

http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/01/07/the-seduction-of-john-brennans-moral-rectitude/

I would just google. there are many articles out and about.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

33. an "architect" he was just called on Dianne Sawyer. he architected torture. bad enough?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:03 PM

9. EIT, EIT, EIT, ...

There. Problem solved.

The issue has been sanitized.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Go ahead. Move along.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:11 PM

12. Wouldn't it rock if the Democrats all stood up against him?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:22 PM

13. Wait... this is OUR pick?

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:06 PM

16. Yes, wake up and smell THAT coffee. nt

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:37 PM

22. exactly.....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:28 PM

19. I heard Burr make that joke. I also heard the laughter from others.

Members of our government are laughing over torture.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:05 PM

27. Sigh, that's 'my' Senator. :bangheadondesk: n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:30 PM

20. Too bad they can't call Torquemada to testify about waterboarding

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He'd tell the committee that it was torture, and that he directed his inquisitors to use the technique because it worked at getting actionable intelligence from those suspected of witchcraft and heresy.

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Response to Jack Rabbit (Reply #20)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:34 PM

29. Enough intelligence to burn them all at the stake. It sure worked for the Inquisitors.

It should work for the CIA. Call it the Brennan Doctrine.

All who worked for the CIA in supervisory posts during the period in which torture or enhanced interrogation was administered should not be confirmed for the leadership post in the CIA. We must assume they had the ability to speak out or act against the policy, and they did not have the courage or common sense to do it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:54 PM

25. If he had they would have claimed he was required to go after those who did it.

I hate this game.

Here's the way it works, Republicans break the law, claim they didn't and then DARE Democrats to claim they did so they can accuse the Democrats of being the bad guys by persecuting poor innocent Republicans who didn't do anything wrong.

I say, drag them out kicking and screaming, strip them naked, cover them in hot tar followed by feathers and ride them out of town on a rail bouncing their nut sack against the pole the whole way.

You know,...just to be traditional...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:19 PM

28. Harsh Interrogation Techniques

I'm still shaking my head over the Orwellian phrase 'Harsh Interrogation Techniques". It almost sounds like satire, it's so contemptible.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:40 PM

30. The USA is a joke. Between the crazy-ass fundies and warmongering Richie Riches and

too-stupid-to-live teabaggers, we might as well call ourselves the United States of Fecalmerica.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:47 PM

31. Brennan actually did a splendid job with his hearing overall, one of the best I've watched in ages

I'm serious, the man came across as reasonable and competent. He did not try to be evasive, he was not trying to impose his own will nor was he willing to say anything to please, he disagreed with several Senators several times. This will be the guy who is confirmed, and he will deserve it I suppose. One thing for sure, after today's hearing I'd have to say that the President could have done a whole lot worse.

By the way, I'd bet Hayden doesn't sleep well tonight.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:16 AM

36. If it's not torture, there are some Japanese officers who should be meeting with apologies soon.

Remember, waterboarding was considered a war crime at the Tokyo tribunal. Japanese officers were sentenced for it.

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