Breaking News on Cop Killer/Dorner--for REAL updates

[GiaGiovanni]

Newest update from LA radio: Dornan's truck may have been found near Big Bear. More coming....

As of 12:50

--Lots of police activity at Big Bear
--Truck that looks like Dorner's on fire at Big Bear

[GiaGiovanni]

1. For more information:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dragnet-for-ex-cop-wanted-in-killings-spreads-across-california.html

http://timelines.latimes.com/statewide-manhunt-ex-lapd-officer/

[SidDithers]

2. Thank you for posting facts from reputable reports...

Sid

[Earth_First]

3. Not enough asteriks...

I'm looking for the *REAL* updates with ~~*OFFICIAL*~~ sources...

[GiaGiovanni]

5. Well, if someone would pay for my coffee, I might comply. :)

[bahrbearian]

103. Well you and Sid should go have a cup of coffee

[GiaGiovanni]

4. Shooting victims thus far

http://timelines.latimes.com/statewide-manhunt-ex-lapd-officer/

Shot by Christopher Dorner, ex military, ex LAPD, suspect.

Monica Quan (daughter of LAPD police captain) and her fiance, in Irvine (2/3) (2 deaths)

Mon­ica Quan, an as­sist­ant coach at Cal State Fuller­ton, and her fi­ance, Keith Lawrence, were found shot to death in a park­ing gar­age of an up­scale con­domin­i­um in Irvine. In an on­line mani­festo pos­ted after the shoot­ing, Dorner com­plained that Quan’s fath­er, re­tired L.A. po­lice cap­tain Randy Quan, did not fairly rep­res­ent him a dis­cip­lin­ary re­view pro­cess that ul­ti­mately led to Dorner’s 2008 dis­missal from the po­lice force.

LAPD cop (2/7)

A Los Angeles Po­lice De­part­ment of­ficer provid­ing pro­tec­tion for a per­son men­tioned in the sus­pect’s on­line mani­festo was struck in a shootout in Corona at about 1:45 a.m. The of­ficer suf­fer­ing a graze wound to the head.

2 Riverside Cops (2/7) (1 death)

Shortly after the shoot­ing in Corona, two River­side po­lice of­ficers stopped at a red light were “am­bushed” by a shoot­er, au­thor­it­ies said.

One of the of­ficers, a 34-year-old, 11-year vet­er­an of the force, was killed, River­side po­lice Chief Ser­gio Diaz told re­port­ers. A 27-year-old of­ficer was wounded, but is ex­pec­ted to fully re­cov­er.


Shot by LAPD

2 women from Torrance

At 5:20 a.m., Los Angeles po­lice de­tect­ives came across a vehicle sim­il­ar to the one Dorner is be­lieved to be driv­ing. Two wo­men who were re­portedly de­liv­er­ing news­pa­pers were shot and trans­por­ted to an area hos­pit­al with un­known in­jur­ies.

(One was shot in the hand, the other in the back by LAPD officers. Their blue pickup was "riddled with bullet holes".)

[GiaGiovanni]

6. In regard to the two women shot by LAPD "by mistake" in Torrance

People are not very happy about that. Apparently LAPD shot before ascertaining who was in the vehicle. The vehicle was shot from the back.


Some great comments from LA Times readers on this one:

Elizabeth Conley · Top Commenter · Sales Associate at Prudential Towne Realty
So the LAPD "feels threatened," and suddenly the entire civilian public is just one big fat target to them? This is why we consider our nation's police to be the nation's Most Deadly Street Gang. This is a gang mentality, not a law enforcement mentality.

Cal Murphy · Top Commenter
Have a blue Nissan pickup in my driveway and wish it were on the street! OMG These cops are out of control insane!

Peter Wright
notice how the truck they shot up is a Toyota Tacoma. That's some great police work there boys...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/ex-cop-manhunt-newspaper-delivery-women-shot.html

[GiaGiovanni]

26. The two women LAPD shot were ELDERLY ASIAN WOMEN delivering the LA Times--KFI Radio 1:13pm

This means they never even looked in the truck, since you can't possibly mistake a couple of elderly Asian women for a 270 pound, 6 foot African American man. And they even got the truck wrong.

[SummerSnow]

48. They are so hype ...

about catching this guy they're going about this very sloppy. Shame. This happened in NYC a few months ago.Some guy had a gun in Manhattan the police were called and when they got on the scene they just randomly started shooting anyone.9 people were shot and the NYPD said oops sorry

[GiaGiovanni]

50. Sloppy is a good word for this

It comes from the panic. These poor women. I feel so badly for them and their families. Can you imagine if that was your mom or grandmother?

[SummerSnow]

53. It's horrible ..

I hope the lapd not make this gross negligence again and shoot another innocent person. IMO this guy won't let the police kill him.He will end this by suicide. No more innocent lives affected by him or the police

[GiaGiovanni]

55. I think it will be suicide too.

The question is when.

[OldDem2012]

59. No doubt the LAPD will fix it to show the Asian ladies....

....shot each other in a a fight over gang turf.

[GiaGiovanni]

86. Or that they were armed and shooting backwards

forcing the cops to shoot their truck from behind.

[GiaGiovanni]

7. From KFI radio in Los Angeles (12:42)

Lots of police action at Big Bear. Guns drawn. Vehicle that looks a lot like Dorner's vehicle. It's on fire.

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. I live in Big Bear.

Lots of activity up here all of the sudden.

[GiaGiovanni]

9. That's what KFI is reporting

Listen live: http://www.kfiam640.com/main.html

[GiaGiovanni]

10. Does the intersection of Clubview and Goldmine mean anything to you?

That's where they say the burning truck is. They're still not sure if it's Dorner's.

[cherokeeprogressive]

13. I heard that truck was actually on fire last night and is still smoldering.

from what I understand it is not him. That is actually right in front of the ski lodge known as Bear Mountain.

[GiaGiovanni]

23. The news keeps changing on this. KFI has been pretty careful to say the truck "might" be his

I'm wondering whose truck it is and why they haven't claimed it.

Of course, considering that this Dorner tied up a boat owner in San Diego last night but didn't take his boat, then dropped his ID at the San Diego airport, and then apparently did check in to some Point Loma motel, it makes you wonder if he wasn't setting up a bunch of red herrings. He's had lots of years to think about this. He seems to be messing with LAPD's collective mind.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. I was just informed by LEO that is almost certainly his truck.

Seems the info I got earlier was incomplete.

[GiaGiovanni]

43. If you look at the pic, it matches the description they've been giving since 5 am this morning

Of course, if it's been burning since last night, ostensibly after the cops in Corona and Riverside were shot, then he's had a lot of time to hide. Of course he might have had another vehicle up there which is long gone.

[Lionessa]

11. That should read Killer Cop as well as Cop Killer.

[loli phabay]

12. i thought he was no longer a cop. mayby i misread the report

[GiaGiovanni]

16. He's not.

He was fired in 2009 after whistle blowing (according to his Facebook manifesto)

[2pooped2pop]

62. what kind of whistle blowing?

Does it say what is was he was trying to blow the whistle on?

[Marr]

125. A police beating of a young man, IIRC.

He said the police used unnecessary force and basically beat the guy Rodney King style, while the rest of the cops insisted they were angels.

[2pooped2pop]

126. thank you. I've read the manifesto now.

I believe him. I don't excuse him, but I do believe he is telling the truth.

[Marr]

139. LAPD? Oh, yeah.

I live in LA, and their reputation is well-earned. It's pretty sad-- just talking to people in town, if the subject comes up, it's pretty clear that no one is particularly sympathetic for the cops here.

[2pooped2pop]

140. I couldn't imagine living with that kind of police

I mean yeah there are those kind of cops everywhere and probably getting worse, but there's still good ones out there.

I just don't know what I would do just not being able to get justice like that. I don't mean Dorner, I mean the citizens. I can't imagine the frustration, the hate building up. The futility.

We need camera's throughout the police stations. We can no longer trust that good people are in charge.

Wow.

[Lionessa]

17. Once a cop and all, plus his reasoning is because of being fired I gather from reports.

So the cop aspect can't be denied on either side of this tragedy.

[loli phabay]

19. dont by that he may have been a cop but hes not now. yes he has the training and skillset

But i dont think we can call him a killer cop more like an ex cop who is a killer.

[Lionessa]

21. So you don't like the facts the LA Police put out? Okay, ignorance is bliss.

This is all about cop, whether you like it or not. His previous job, his manifesto, all of it, the people killed are related to the cops of his firing, I mean it's cop on cop stuff no matter what blows your panties up.

[loli phabay]

24. no tehnically its ex cop on cop stuff as he was fired what four years ago

My issue was using the tagline that he is a killer cop.

[Lionessa]

27. We disagree then. Since it's so integral to the situation, it's accurate.

If it makes you feel better I'll start using the term Killer Ex-cop. Won't matter, we will all really still go to the same place. Cops with guns can be some of the most dangerous. Seems every day here in LA I'm learning that there are questionable police shootings all the time. They seem like a pretty corrupt bunch, ex or not.

[GiaGiovanni]

14. He's actually a good deal more than that. He's a military sharpshooter and is waging "asymmetrical"

warfare against LAPD, at least according to his Facebook post. Right now, all the police forces are on the defensive. Police are communicating by cell phone, not by their normal radio, because they believe Dorner is monitoring police radio.

[Lionessa]

25. And apparently the police are shooting innocent folks in their panic. Newspaper delivery ladies.

http://laist.com/2013/02/07/police_shoot_motorists_mistaken_for_dorner.php

During the manhunt for former Los Angeles Police Department officer Christopher Dorner Thursday, Los Angeles and Torrance police were involved in two shootings in Torrance. In a multi-page online manifesto, Dorner implicated himself in the recent fatal shootings of an Irvine couple as well as two shootings Thursday morning targeting police officials. Police are in the process of tracking down Dorner, who is apparently on a killing rampage aimed at law enforcement, and the shootings today occurred when police came across vehicles similar to that of the suspect.

The first officer-involved shooting happened at about 5:20 a.m. in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance, according to the L.A. Times. Two women delivering newspapers in a truck were struck by gunfire by L.A. police detectives from the Hollywood division. One woman was shot in the hand and the other in the back, Jesse Escochea, who captured video of the victims being treated, told the Times. Both victims were transported to a hospital.

The Times describes the crime scene: "After the shooting, the blue pickup was riddled with bullet holes and what appeared to be newspapers lay in the street alongside."

The second incident occurred at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street about 5:45 a.m. and involved Torrance police. No injuries were reported.

[GiaGiovanni]

28. Old news (see above and see some other threads). Those women were elderly Asian women

and their truck was a Toyota Tacoma, not a Nissan Titan. Truck was shot in the back. Cops just shot like mad and didn't bother to check who was in the truck or even if it was the right make.

[Lionessa]

29. I didn't say it was new news, just that the opinion about panic is not only right, but really right.

[GiaGiovanni]

31. Did someone say the police weren't panicking?

Or that this guy wasn't really dangerous?

[Lionessa]

35. Circle jerk yourself. Carry on.

[GiaGiovanni]

47. It was a real question.

Sorry if you took it the wrong way. No one is saying that this guy wasn't an ex-cop. Of course, he was still low level when he was fired. That was the point actually. He was a low level whistleblower with no protection up against a corrupt PD. If Dorner's version of events has any veracity, he was railroaded in hearings (which are secret and not available to the public) and trashed as a "bully". The irony is that he was charging his superior with illegally assaulting a suspect. Dorner was the one who was fired.

[MineralMan]

15. Could be. Might not be, too.

Right now, every truck like the one owned by the shooter is triggering police activity. Not a good deal for people with those trucks, for sure.

[GiaGiovanni]

18. Very true. Those two women that LAPD shot "accidentally" were in a Toyota Tacoma, not a Nissan

The cops are on the defensive and panicked. If I had such a truck, I'd be taking the bus to work.

[MineralMan]

22. Yup. When a cop is shot, all bets are off.

Tensions are running very high for other cops, and strange things tend to happen. If you hear that a car like yours is being looked for in such a situation, just stay off the streets altogether. It can be very dangerous.

Even when a police officer dies in a traffic accident, the investigation will completely shut down whatever highway it happened on for hours and hours. I remember being caught in one of those shut-downs near San Diego a number of years back. I didn't move an inch for over five hours.

It's a reaction that is very common when a police officer dies. Best to let it play itself out.

[GiaGiovanni]

30. This guy really has the cops scared.

Cops are not using their radios. They think he might be monitoring them. They are communicating by cell phone.

[MineralMan]

34. They are right to be scared.

After reading the shooter's manifesto, if I were one of the people named in it, I would be leaving town and taking my family with me. It's clear that he has a plan and intends to carry it out. There's no defense against that if the person with the plan is trained and intelligent. None at all.

This could end quickly, or it could be a nightmare for a long time. I have no idea which way it will go, but it's not a good situation at all. People who look like the shooter or drive a car like the shooter need to be extra careful right now. I'm not concerned about the shooter, really. He'll have to take care of himself or turn himself in. They'll catch him eventually.

[GiaGiovanni]

40. I absolutely agree with you

I'd also be selling my truck, if anyone would buy it.

Dorner expects to die at the end of this. It's only a question of how long he can drag it out. That involves making the cops run in lots of wrong directions. If he's really smart, he could do that for some time.

[Comrade Grumpy]

38. Because cops' lives are so much more important than ordinary citizens'.

Acknowledging that "all bets are off" is acknowleding an out-of-control police force.

[MineralMan]

41. You know, I'm all about what is, not what is supposed to be.

I live my life in a real world, not an ideal one. So, when I mention a fact like I did above, it's because it is a fact. I act based on facts and my best interests, not on how I think things should be.

When a cop is killed, it's a dangerous environment in that vicinity. Eventually, it will cool down, but not right away. You can recognize it or you can ignore it. I recommend the former.

[mythology]

111. It's that way for everybody

Are you more affected if your friend dies or somebody you've never met? I know I'm more affected by one of those two.

[GiaGiovanni]

20. Dorner served 6 months in Iraq & was honorably discharged from the service (reserves) last week--KFI

That might explain why he waited until now.

[JI7]

32. seems like whatever reason LAPD didn't want him should have been reason for military

not to take him. considering some of the assholes the LAPD has, for this guy to have been fired says a lot about how bad he must have been.

i don't know the details though.

[GiaGiovanni]

37. Actually, an honorable discharge adds some merit to Dorner's story that he was unjustly fired for

whistleblowing.

This looks like an honorable Navy guy who tried to be an honorable cop and found out that most metropolitan PDs are thoroughly corrupt. Add a little PTSD to his anger and disillusionment and you've got a nightmare scenario.

[2pooped2pop]

63. this sounds right

The guy doesn't sound nuts to me. Depressed, fed up, angry as crap, yes. But not nuts. If one loses their job based on lies and that lie carries on into whatever you try to do, and no one will listen to the truth....well, I can understand where he is coming from. I can understand the depression and the futility.

I wonder if the police are not only afraid of him, if they are afraid of what he will tell the public if given the chance.

I'm just sad that it wasn't bankers that pissed him off. I could grab some popcorn and watch that show.

[Nevernose]

42. He was a whistleblower.

Made too many reports about racist cops and police brutality, so they drummed up some BS reason to fire him. Apparently his breaking point was when his firing four years ago affected his advancement in the Naval Reserves. Not saying that what this guy is doing is right at all, but he's not some random maniac: he's pissed at specific people.

[JI7]

46. couldn't he have gone to the media, written a book

any number of things other than killing the daughter of one of the officers he had an issue with and her fiance ?

[Nevernose]

57. Obviously

What makes you think I support what this guy is doing? The part where I said "I'm not saying what this guy is doing is right?"

[JI7]

60. i'm saying his complaints may have been questionable considering his actions now

[slackmaster]

71. His methods are unsound

[Are_grits_groceries]

36. Pic of truck:

@RunGomez: PHOTO: @nbcla over what may be the #lapdmanhunt suspect's Nissan Titan, burned in Big Bear. via @johnnbcla

[GiaGiovanni]

39. It's got the 4 person cab and the shortened bed that they''ve been talking about

Thanks for the pic.

The cops are staking out Big Bear in a big way.

[Bennyboy]

44. Watch Live

http://ktla.com/live/#axzz2KFbx75n5

SWAT TEAM on the loose....

[ellisonz]

49. They're on the move.

Wouldn't be surprised if they picked something up on thermal imaging in the area.

[GiaGiovanni]

51. Keep us posted.

The radio only gives so much info.

[ellisonz]

65. Nothin' Yet

[GiaGiovanni]

76. I hear that Big Bear is on lockdown

And that cops are going from house to house looking for Dorner.

[Bennyboy]

52. I'm obsessed.

Weird story covering a lot of things. Guns, PSTD, cops. Cops shooting innocents. This is gonna be the big story for a long time.

[apocalypsehow]

67. Thanks for the link. Hope no one else gets hurt and this is resolved peacefully.

[haele]

45. Wonderful He's gone Rambo.

He's set it up so as only to have two options - to prolong the situation enough to go out in a "blaze of glory", taking as many police (and any non-police that might be unlucky enough to be around the area he's in) - or go to ground in Central/South America.

Since his manifesto suggest he's got no problems dying and wants to rack up a body count of "enemies" before he goes, my gut says he is going for the first. I'm thinking he's still in Cali, but he's not waiting to be picked off. He's hunting until he gets cornered.

Haele

[HangOnKids]

54. I Have A Gut Feeling That He Has Large Amounts Of Explosives

Just a hunch.

[GiaGiovanni]

56. Let's wait until we get actual confirmation

Your scenario is not unlikely.

[Katashi_itto]

58. I agree, going to get very bloody if the cops aren't lucky

[jsr]

61. Rogue cop wants brain preserved for science

http://pastebin.com/yw3Ffy0S

If possible, I want my brain preserved for science/research to study the effects of severe depression on an individual’s brain. Since 6/26/08 when I was relieved of duty and 1/2/09 when I was terminated I have been afflicted with severe depression. I’ve had two CT scans during my lifetime that are in my medical record at Kaiser Permanente. Both are from concussions resulting from playing football. The first one was in high school, 10/96. The second was in college and occurred in 10/99. Both were conducted at Kaiser Permanente hospitals in LA/Orange county. These two CT scans should give a good baseline for my brain activity before severe depression began in late 2008.

Wayne LaPierre, President of the NRA, you’re a vile and inhumane piece of shit. You never even showed 30 seconds of empathy for the children, teachers, and families of Sandy Hook. You deflected any type of blame/responsibility and directed it toward the influence of movies and the media. You are a failure of a human being. May all of your immediate and distant family die horrific deaths in front of you.

Cyclist, I have no problem sharing the road with you. But, at least go the fucking speed limit posted or get off the road!!! That is a feasible request. Livestrong you fraudulent assholes.

Cardinal Mahoney, you are in essence a predator yourself as you enabled your subordinates to molest multiple children in the church over many decades. May you die a long and slow painful death.

If you continuously followed me while I was walking at dusk/night I would confront you as well. Too bad Trayvon didn’t smash your skull completely open, Zim. While Trayvon’s body erodes to bones 6 feet under, Zimmerman has put on no less than 40 pounds while out on bail. Zimmerman was arrested for battery on a Peace officer and avoided jail/prison because he completed a diversion program. Thats a history of being an asshole. Zimmerman couldn’t get hired by a LE agency because of poor credit/and a history of violence/restraining orders with women. So what does he do? Designate himself, neighborhood watch captain and make complaints to his city council about the horrible work ethic and laziness of the officers patrolling his neighborhood. Good one Zim. How classy that your father attempts to use his veterans status “disabled veteran” during your bail hearing but doesn’t state what his disability percentage is. Prior service personnel know it can be 5% disability to 100%. You and your attorneys always avoid mentioning your fathers occupation as a magistrate/judge because I’m sure he’s utilized his position to get you out of way more jams then the public has discovered and that your family is not indigent. Oh, tell your wife to stop perjuring herself in court.

Anonymous, you are hated, vilified, and considered an enemy to the state. I personally view you as a culture and a necessity that brings truth to a cloaked world. Forge ahead!

[heaven05]

127. +1000

no problem with any statement of yours.

[Nevernose]

64. Amber Alert in Vegas; 3 grey Nissan P/Us pulled over

And that's just what I saw with my own eyes on the drive home.

[GiaGiovanni]

69. Odd, since the truck is now burned to a crisp

Police are not getting the info and are panicking.

[coalition_unwilling]

66. If the LAPD is going after one of its own, they won't be able to brutalize Occupy

Los Angeles as much.

Go for it, donut munchers and lackies of the 1%!

Dorner is a survivalist and vet, so he'll give the SWAT boys a real run for their money before it's over.

[pinboy3niner]

70. No schadenfreude here

Abusive cops (and their departments) should be held accountable before the courts, not through summary execution of anyone in uniform and their families.

I've seen LAPD's brutality against Occupiers, too, but in this case I'm rooting for the cops to get their man before anyone else is harmed. And without the police harming any more innocent civilians in the process.

[HangOnKids]

72. Exactly How I Feel! n/t

[dogknob]

92. Not defending killing, but when due process is as corrupted as he claims...

...I'm having trouble coming up with an alternative.

The system needs to change. Dramatically. Maybe the threat of death is the only form of dialogue a totally corrupted institution like the LAPD can understand.

I don't know, but this is the endgame of a long series of events in which this guy exhausted what appears to be every other means of obtaining justice.

Is our way of operating so totally sick that it only responds to violence?

He will go for as long as he can. He will die. The parts of his writing that praise President Obama, Hilary Clinton, and Anonymous will be all we hear about on television for a while.

[NCTraveler]

113. I don't see where he state he gave his information to a journalist.

Or got a hold of a whistle blowing outfit.

"in which this guy exhausted what appears to be every other means of obtaining justice."

Doesn't look like he came close to exhausting his options. He is an unstable whackjob unable to understand his options. That is clear from the option he has currently taken.

[Spryguy]

116. More than a little schadenfreude here.

Prime example od why we should go to a British system and remove weapons from police.

[flamingdem]

131. +1

[NCTraveler]

112. Dorner is...

a part of the "donut munchers and lackies of the 1%"

[coalition_unwilling]

115. Oy vey. Not since 2009 when he tried to blow the whistle on

excessive use of force by one of his erstwhile colleagues and was fired for his civic mindedness.

[NCTraveler]

119. According to a multiple murderer, yes.

He clearly wanted to be a part of their fraternity more than anything. He fought tooth and nail for it. This piece of shit shot the daughter of an ex police chief and her husband. His words hold no meaning except to determine the level of his insanity. The LAPD is corrupt. That is well documented. This murderer adds nothing to that. This guy is about as bad as a human can get.

[coalition_unwilling]

120. He may be everything you have said, but he hasn't been a lackey of the 1%

since, oh, about 2009. That was the original point of contention, I believe.

Too bad LA can't get some real negotiators to take the stage other than those putzes Beck and Bratton who are, simply put, pathetic. I vote for the Atlanta woman who made pancakes for her captor and talked to him for a few hours before convincing him to turn himself in. (Don't have links for that story readily at hand but it was incredible in this day and age of steroidal Homeland Security 24-7 hate.)

ETA: found link of sorts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Nichols

[NCTraveler]

121. Correct.

Although I think there is nothing he wanted more than to be one of their lackies for the last three years.

The pancake story sounds like a good one. I am sure there are many situations in this country every year where honey would lead to a much better outcome than a swat team.

[coalition_unwilling]

122. I'm not a Christian but if I could nominate Smith Robinson for beatification, I would so at

the first opportunity.

It really is an incredible story: http://ashleysmithrobinson.com/?page_id=2

[NCTraveler]

123. Thank you for the link.

Nothing short of amazing. I wish she could truly understand her own power as a person and not write of that power to something else. I am sure the situation was overwhelming and she convinced herself that a positive outcome could not be achieved on her own. So she looked to a higher power. In my opinion, it was her and nothing but her.

I hope that makes some sense. If she can do good work and help others through her faith, good on her. Maybe that is what gives her the ability to take on challenges.

[coalition_unwilling]

124. On this we agree 100%. It was her power and hers alone that did it. I was struck by

the way she recognized and acknowledged the humanity of someone (Nichols) from whom she had every right to cower in fear and not engage. Instead, she did more than the combined might of Atlanta law enforcement, a lesson one would think should be studied by every law enforcement agency in this country. But, no, instead we have Beck's and Bratton's patronizing B.S.

[heaven05]

128. wrong

Last edited Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:08 PM - Edit history (1)

you weren't there in his shoes. Looks to me and believe me that all that matters, like the system, this time, caused the insanity. And for you to call this wronged individual a piece of shit......

[NCTraveler]

130. Yes, I will call him a piece of shit.

Piece of shit is what he is. Where is your proof that he has been wronged in a way that could lead him to this? Anything to back that up?

The system didn't cause him to kill a husband and wife. You might think that a man who kills a husband and wife, who did nothing wrong, is above being called a piece of shit. I do not. Please tell me what this couple did to deserve a death sentence at this mans hands.

[heaven05]

141. oh please

spare me. I have no sympathy for your view. That's it. You're entitled to your view. that's it.

[NCTraveler]

145. At this time there is no backing up your assertion in any way.

That is clear. You have sympathy for a heavily armed ex cop, ex marine, on a murder spree killing innocent people, but not for my view. You are correct. We are each entitled to our view, and I will stand with mine.

[cherokeeprogressive]

68. Personally, I think he's a million miles away already.

Judging from where his truck was found, he could have had a vehicle sitting there already and the truck fire could simply have been a distraction. I don't think he's in the vicinity any longer.

The first report of the truck fire was at 9:48 a.m. this morning. Now there are trucks, a tow-truck, and lots of foot traffic where the truck was parked. Nice going, trying to preserve a possible crime scene. I bet he had a car or truck parked there and drove away in it. It's a pretty remote area.

On my way home from work, I saw 6 AMR ambulances caravanning down the Big Bear Boulevard toward the Bear Mountain Ski Resort.

[GiaGiovanni]

78. Any news on those ambulances?

I had heard about them on the radio and was wondering if someone had actually been hurt.

[cherokeeprogressive]

84. I think they are probably precautionary. We have a tiny hospital here and two or three ambulances.

If there's a shoot-'em-up, it would be smart to have some emergency vehicles pre-staged.

[GiaGiovanni]

87. That makes sense.

I hear that there are only 5000 or so residents up there now.

[cherokeeprogressive]

90. Big Bear Lake, Big Bear City, Fawnskin, and Sugarloaf = a little less than 16,000 people. n/t

[GiaGiovanni]

91. That's still a lot of doors to knock on. Apparently there are tracks:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/manhunt-authorities-zeroing-in-on-wanted-ex-lapd-officer-in-big-bear.html

"Authorities in Big Bear have spotted fresh tracks believed to be those of a fugitive ex-Los Angeles police officer wanted in connection with a series of shootings and are combing the area for him, a Fire Department official told The Times."

According to San Bernardino Sheriff. the tracks did not lead to the suspect but he would not tell the press where they did lead. The tracks started at the truck.

[jberryhill]

102. If he's as good as he thinks he is, the truck is a distraction

[cherokeeprogressive]

106. That's what I thought as soon as I heard there was a burnt truck up on the forest road.

When it was reported yesterday morning the truck was only smoldering. The fire had been out for some time. That was at 9:45 local.

[GiaGiovanni]

73. Update: 4:25 The Events behind the murders

Eric Leonard on KFI radio--summary

Dorner was a probationary officer when he reported the abuse of a mentally ill prisoner by a female cop named Evans who was his supervisor

Dorner accused Evans of kicking a handcuffed, mentally ill suspect in the head.

Evans had friends on the force and in the secretive Board of Rights which ended up adjudicating the case.

Eric Leonard (news guy) added that sources told him that the Board of Rights used to be open, but that since it had become secret (with records not open to the public), the BoR was being increasingly used to target employees LAPD wanted to get rid of. Here is the SJ Mercury news on the BoR and Dorner:

* From http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22539574/fired-lapd-officer-christopher-dorner-identified-suspect-couples

"Dorner was charged by his own department in 2007 with making false statements to detectives investigating a false complaint he made against a female police sergeant. A Los Angeles police Board of Rights disciplinary hearing included testimony from numerous Los Angeles police and port police officers, according to a 2nd District Court of Appeal document posted online....

"The Los Angeles Police Department Board of Rights found that (Dorner's) complaint was false and therefore terminated his employment for making false statements," the document said."

After being fired from LAPD, Dorner took his case to civil courts. The civil courts sided with LAPD, stating that LAPD was within its rights to let Dorner go. (No one cared about whether or not Dorner's statements were true)

During this time, Dorner was working in an intelligence unit of the Navy in the reserves.

Dorner made it to Lieutenant. in the Navy but failed to get beyond that rank twice.

Dorner's firing from LAPD caused the Navy to revoke his security clearance.

Once the clearance was revoked, Dorner had no further use to the Navy and he was discharged.


Eric Leonard, KFI News--Summary. Any mistakes are mine.

The first person Dorner killed was the daughter of the cop/lawyer who was his advocate during the BoR and whom he felt had failed to get him vindicated.

[Catherina]

75. I just skimmed his Manifesto

It's online here but redacted. http://laist.com/2013/02/07/christopher_dorners_manifesto_in_fu.php so use the next link instead


My head is still spinning. They pushed him off the deep-end. What a tragedy.


FireWalkWithMe just posted a link to the uncensored version. Here: http://youranonnews.tumblr.com/post/42506354980/heres-an-uncensored-copy-of-the-rogue-lapd-officers

[heaven05]

129. Danger, Will Robinson, danger!!!!

An intelligent, angry black man. To all who did him wrong, they should be worried. thanks anonnews.

[Blue_Tires]

138. Thanks for this...

I never knew he was at Dam Neck...He does look like someone I'd casually bump into while out shopping or whatever...

It's very sad that he saw no other way to resolve his issues other than this course of violent action...

[Poll_Blind]

74. Pulling snipers off Big Bear, from this live audio feed:

San Bernardino County System 8 Live Audio Feed mentioned on Twitter #dorner

PB

[GiaGiovanni]

77. Thanks. FAA has ordered news helicopters away from the area (KFI)

I think he's long gone.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Here

KCAL/Channel 9 TV news says it has received "unprecedented" demands from law enforcement to have its news helicopters pull back and not focus cameras on officers conducting the search in Big Bear.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/02/christopher_jordan_dorner_lapd.php?page=2

[ellisonz]

95. I don't think he's still in the mountains either.

This guy is too smart to stay in the area or die of hypothermia in the woods like this jackass: http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/02/justice/washington-ranger-killed/index.html

He may have a death wish, but clearly he aims to elude capture as long as possible because he wants to force the LAPD to apologize. Him dieing quickly doesn't accomplish that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. Not apologize

He's got a list...

[bahrbearian]

104. Wrong Again ellionz.

[nadinbrzezinski]

80. Poli there s a winter storm coming to shore

Will have to check the weather at big bear, but that might be the reason.

[Baclava]

82. red herring, or they could be thinking of Rambo picking them off like flies in the mountains

night's closing in, storm coming, could be snow in the mountains....and he could be carrying a .50 BMG

what could possibly go wrong

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. Let me get this straight

The NWS put out a shitty red herring alert this morning for Southern California?

[Baclava]

85. no, him leaving his truck on fire as a diversion, while he's already 100 miles away

or he could going Rambo in the hills, that's what I was saying - he could back in the city by now - no storm needed

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. Oh that

I got the theory that he's got transportation overnight after leaving a bunch of red herrings all over, and he's gone...

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Baclava]

96. the cops in Big Bear just admitted they have no idea where he could be

Rambo survives the night while all of LA is on the edge

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Will be a nice evening.

I will add the rest of SoCal.

[Baclava]

99. Manhunt, The Fugative - Rambo survives the night

cops admit he could be anywhere after door to door seaches in Big Bear turn up nothing

[nadinbrzezinski]

100. The manifesto is a clue.

He is ready to go to war. He has.

[Baclava]

101. seems his beef is with LAPD - Rambo says he got nothing against civilians with no cop ties

or so it would appear from his ramblings

[coalition_unwilling]

108. "Assymetrical wafare" to quote the Manifesto precisely. - n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

109. And he is trained.

[coalition_unwilling]

107. That was so eminently predictable. Backstory: the truck is discovered smouldering

between 8:30 and 9:30 a.m. but somehow the door-to-door searches don't begin until after 4:30 p.m. (8 hours later)???? My wife and I were snorting at the breathless TV coverage of the SWAT teams and all the hoo-ha and knew this guy was at least several steps ahead of Beck and his associated putzes in the various Sheriff's departments.

LAPD does a great job bashing heads of people who can't or won't fight back, like the homeless on Skid Row or Occupiers. Not so great when they're on the receiving end of the shit they routinely hand out to LA's dispossessed (with nary a word from the various media whores here).

[Baclava]

110. "CHP issues BOL saying Dorner may now be driving a white Lexus last seen in the Barstow area"

could be headed to the desert, towards Vegas

[coalition_unwilling]

114. Dorner's vehicular tastes are thus moving upscale (from Nissan pickup to Lexus sedan) - n/t

[Baclava]

117. If he's headed into the desert, time to get Tommy Lee Jones on the manhunt

and how many white Lexus owners in So.Cal could be in the crosshairs of LAPD?

[coalition_unwilling]

118. LOL. You'll know we're in revolutionary times when the LAPD starts targeting

BMWs.

[flamingdem]

132. There's already a screenwriter working on this..

Who will play the rouge cop?

[Baclava]

136. Sly Stallone

[flamingdem]

137. I would LOVE that as a fan

for camp reasons ... but I think we need an African American since there is a racial component to the story.

[Baclava]

150. well if you insist on a Black Rambo - I choose T-dog

Walking Dead fans know who I'm talking about...

[GiaGiovanni]

81. Why Dorner is doing this: More background with links

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_22539574/fired-lapd-officer-christopher-dorner-identified-suspect-couples

...At Dorner's disciplinary hearing, numerous officers testified about a July 28, 2007, "use of force" incident at the Doubletree Hotel in San Pedro in which Dorner's training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, shot a mentally ill man with a Taser gun to subdue him when Dorner and the man struggled and fell into bushes.

Other officers and witnesses described the use of force similarly, but Dorner filed a report saying Evans had kicked the man twice in the shoulder and face, and discouraged him from including the information in his police report...

...Evans testified that she and Dorner confronted a man on a bench outside the hotel's main door.... When Dorner and the man fell into the bushes, Evans shot the man twice with the Taser and Dorner handcuffed him. The suspect had marks on his face, but no boot marks, the document said...

...Dorner, however, testified that Evans kicked the suspect twice in the left collarbone and the left cheek...

...Detectives investigating Dorner's complaints against Evans found no evidence to support them.

"After reviewing all the evidence, the Board stated that it could not find that the kicks occurred," the document said, siding with testimony of other officers and witnesses....

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/07/suspect-identified-in-deaths-cal-state-coach-fiance/ (Yeah it's Fox, but the info is interesting coming from them)

...Dorner served in Iraq, providing security on an oil platform and has received awards including the Rifle Marksman Ribbon and a Pistol Expert Medal, among others. Based on his awards and deployment records, the Navy told FoxNews.com that Dorner would not be classified as an advanced shooter...

...Dorner is wanted in the killings of Monica Quan and her fiance, Keith Lawrence....Quan's father, a former LAPD captain who became a lawyer in retirement, represented Dorner in front of the Board of Rights, a tribunal that ruled against Dorner at the time of his dismissal.

According to documents from a court of appeals hearing in October 2011, Dorner was fired from the LAPD after he made a complaint against his field training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans. Dorner said that in the course of an arrest, Evans kicked suspect Christopher Gettler, a schizophrenic with severe dementia.

Richard Gettler, the schizophrenic man's father, gave testimony that supported Dorner's claim. After his son was returned on July 28, 2007, Richard Gettler asked "if he had been in a fight because his face was puffy," and his son responded that he was kicked twice in the chest by a police officer...

[GiaGiovanni]

88. Apparently, Dorner left stuff in the truck that the sheriff describes as

"consistent with the mission of Dorner".

They won't give specifics.

[GiaGiovanni]

93. OC Register: Dorner married; Ex describes Dorner as "paranoid" on Don't Date Him Girl.com

http://www.ocregister.com/news/dorner-495119-police-officer.html

"...After a year in the police academy, Dorner was assigned as a patrol officer in L.A.'s Harbor Division in 2006.

That year, he clashed with a former girlfriend. Dorner, in a June 2006 request for a restraining order, accused ex-girlfriend of cyber-stalking and harassing him by making intimidating phone calls and posting his name and badge number on the Internet.

Court papers filed by Dorner include an anonymous post on the website dontdatehimgirl.com, labeling him as severely emotionally and mentally disturbed.

"This guy is twisted...He is super paranoid, always thinking that everyone is out to get him," said the posting.
The post continues: "Anyway be careful because this guy is a police officer...he will probably think he can get away with anything."

[GiaGiovanni]

94. Above quote from ex girlfriend, not ex-wife.

In April 2007, almost immediately after returning from the Middle East, Dorner had married April Carter in Las Vegas, according to the Clark County Recorder's Office. The two wed at the Chapel of the Flowers near the Las Vegas Strip. It was unclear if the two remained married, but Dorner went on to buy property in Las Vegas. A home on Boston Springs Avenue went into default in 2010, according to the recorder's office. Another home on Loughton Street went into default Dec. 10, 2012.

On Thursday, a car was parked outside the home in a tract at the western edge of the city. Phone books and fliers had piled up outside, and no one answered the door.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/dorner-495119-police-officer.html

[Baclava]

105. Barstow Police issues warning about Dorner

BARSTOW• Barstow Police issued a citizen alert Thursday to warn the public about fugitive Christopher Jordan Dorner, an ex-LAPD officer suspected of multiple murders.

“There is no indication that this subject has any ties to the Barstow area,” authorities said in a statement, “although a manifesto issued by the subject indicates he has potential ties to the Las Vegas area.”

http://www.desertdispatch.com/news/barstow-14046-warning-dorner.html




headed to Vegas?

[flamingdem]

134. He'll be more in control of the game if he's on home turf nt

[Baclava]

133. Dorner Manhunt Spreads to Arizona, Mexico

Friday: Massive manhunt continues for ex-LAPD officer suspected in three murders. Police plan a 9 a.m. press conference.

As snow fell Friday morning in Big Bear, more than 100 police and canines continued to comb the mountainous area where Dorner's truck was found ablaze Thursday. All the areas where someone could have walked away from the truck were being searched by ground, said Cindy Bachman of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

It was unclear if Dorner had ventured into the rugged terrain or if his truck was set ablaze as a diversion. Bachman said she was not aware of any vehicle having been stolen since the burned out truck was discovered.

The California Highway Patrol issued an alert Friday that Dorner could be driving a white Lexus last seen near Barstow, but that report was later discredited



http://losalamitos.patch.com/articles/massive-manhunt-for-christopher-dorner-continues-friday

[nadinbrzezinski]

135. How to lie?

Former LAPD chief William Bratton has said, through CNN, that he believes the suspect's burned truck left on an access road between the Snow Summit and Bear Mountain resorts was a diversion.

Anderson Cooper interviewed Bratton Thursday evening because of what the snow-haired CNN anchor received in the mail on Feb. 1: a package from Dorner containing a sticky note stating the ex-cop did not lie, a DVD with "exoneration" scrawled on it and a "Challenge Coin" the ex-LAPD chief gave to his cops headed overseas on military reserve deployments. Holes through the badge emblem in the middle of the coin indicated Dorner had shot it up--"Probably a .22," Bratton guessed--and scrawled on duct tape in the Cooper package was a message to the ex-chief: "Thanks but no thanks Will Bratton."

Bratton does not recall meeting Dorner, despite a widely publicized photo of the two shaking hands, but he's certain the ex-cop is "an incredibly dangerous individual." Besides Dorner's police training, he earned a rifle marksman ribbon and pistol expert medal while assigned to a naval undersea warfare unit and various aviation training units, serving in Bahrain in 2006 and 2007.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/02/christopher_jordan_dorner_lapd.php?page=3

I am sorry, this is incredible. The photo is on the interwebs chief.

[Brother Buzz]

142. Are you saying Chief Bratton's statement is a lie?

It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to determine Dorner is "an incredibly dangerous individual".

[Brother Buzz]

144. He stated he doesn't remember meeting him

How is that a lie?

[NCTraveler]

146. The ex police chief was on the news last night saying that he gave him a button....

Probably before he left for Iraq or when he got back.

[Brother Buzz]

147. Five hundred members of the LAPD deployed to Iran and Afghanistan

The Chief gave out a lot of buttons, yet he's accused on DU of being a liar because he doesn't specially remember Dorner.

[NCTraveler]

148. I think that the Chief has forgotten more corruption....

than most of us will ever know. But you are right, this does not constitute a lie.

[coalition_unwilling]

149. I'll call him a fucking liar or grossly incompetent (or both). How's that? He had his

picture taken with Dorner and he can't remember??? Bratton and his successor Beck are both putzes of the first order.

[msanthrope]

151. Bratton's a public figure and probably takes hundreds of pictures a year with

various cops. Saying he doesn't remember taking the pic isn't a lie, nor is it evidence of incompetence. It seems a bit of a silly point to hang one's hat on.

[GiaGiovanni]

152. Correction: the two women shot at by LAPD were Latinas

KFI corrected the record today. The two victims of LAPD panicked shooting early yesterday morning were Latinas. They were a mother and daughter. The daughter was driving the truck and the mother was throwing the LA Times onto front lawns. The truck was a bright blue Toyota.

http://sandrarose.com/2013/02/no-warning-as-lapd-shoot-2-women-in-manhunt-for-cop-killer/

2 women were hospitalized with serious injuries when LAPD officers mistook their pickup truck for Dorner’s and opened fire.
The attorney for Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, 71-year-old Emma Hernandez, said the women had “no warning” before their truck was riddled with bullets as they delivered Los Angeles Times newspapers around 5:15 a.m. in Torrance, CA.

Their attorney appeared on KFI today during the 3:00 hour with John and Ken.

[Baclava]

153. Dorner, law enforcement sources say, could pose a threat to aviation security.

A bulletin issued by the Transportation Security Administration urges aircraft and airport owners and operators to use "an increased level of awareness concerning any suspicious activity during the coming days."

Dorner, the bulletin says, is believed to have received "flight training during his time in the Navy, but the extent of his potential flying skills is unknown.

The "be on the lookout" alert tells operators to secure unattended aircraft and report persons "masquerading as pilots, security personnel, emergency medical technicians, or other personnel using uniforms and/or vehicles as methods to gain access to aviation facilities or aircraft."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/christopher-dorner-manhunt-lapd-reopens-case-led-suspected/story?id=18444041&page=2

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