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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:21 PM

No matter what sort of an asshole a judge may or may not be

you cannot, under our judicial system, display rudeness or contempt for him/her in the courtroom. It's not merely about the judge, it's about the court itself. Is it "fair"? That's not the point. However fucked up our judicial system is, it would be a lot more fucked up if lawyers or defendants could simply run with whatever emotion they're feeling.

Don'ts

Don't chew gum.
Donít argue with the opposing party or his/her attorney.
Don't interrupt.
Donít react to the answers of witnesses or to the questions from the opposing attorney to indicate your displeasure.
If you are questioned by the other side donít argue with the questioner.
Donít ask questions back: ďWhat would you do ifÖĒ
Donít give flippant answers.

While you are waiting in the back of the Court Room

Do appear to be paying attention. It is helpful to actually listen and learn about the process (and the judge) before your case.
Do try to appear pleasant and interested in the proceedings.
Do be polite to courtroom staff - the clerk, the bailiff or others. They work with the judge and will report behavior.
Don't read the newspaper, listen to your iPod, work on your laptop, chew gum, use your cell phone or talk to other people while waiting in the back of the courtroom.
Don't make faces or roll your eyes or otherwise show negative reactions to something happening in the court.
Don't ignore or treat non-judge members of the court staff poorly. They are part of the justice system that will decide your case.
Don't act angry or short-tempered with the judge, even if you are upset by your case.

When Speaking to the Judge

Do refer to him/her as "Your Honor" and speak with respect.
Don't act angry or short-tempered with the judge, even if you are upset about your case

http://www.peoples-law.org/node/925

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Reply No matter what sort of an asshole a judge may or may not be (Original post)
cali Feb 2013 OP
MineralMan Feb 2013 #1
Wait Wut Feb 2013 #2
awoke_in_2003 Feb 2013 #31
Go Vols Feb 2013 #3
davsand Feb 2013 #8
AngryAmish Feb 2013 #23
davsand Feb 2013 #29
Spider Jerusalem Feb 2013 #38
dsc Feb 2013 #40
Whisp Feb 2013 #13
progressoid Feb 2013 #4
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #5
Lionessa Feb 2013 #7
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #10
Go Vols Feb 2013 #11
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #19
joeybee12 Feb 2013 #27
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #33
leftynyc Feb 2013 #39
rhett o rick Feb 2013 #6
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #9
Lionessa Feb 2013 #12
Nine Feb 2013 #18
Go Vols Feb 2013 #20
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #34
DireStrike Feb 2013 #14
Bandit Feb 2013 #15
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #16
leftynyc Feb 2013 #41
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #42
leftynyc Feb 2013 #44
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #46
leftynyc Feb 2013 #50
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #51
zappaman Feb 2013 #17
marions ghost Feb 2013 #21
HappyMe Feb 2013 #22
Apophis Feb 2013 #24
marions ghost Feb 2013 #26
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #36
bvar22 Feb 2013 #25
leftynyc Feb 2013 #43
Madmiddle Feb 2013 #28
Apophis Feb 2013 #30
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #32
spartan61 Feb 2013 #35
Stonepounder Feb 2013 #37
AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #45
arely staircase Feb 2013 #47
MissMarple Feb 2013 #48
Shrike47 Feb 2013 #49
Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #52
cali Feb 2013 #53
Downtown Hound Feb 2013 #55
sendero Feb 2013 #54
LWolf Feb 2013 #56
Liberal In Texas Feb 2013 #57

Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:22 PM

1. All excellent advice.

Of course, for the self-destructive, it will go unheard.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:26 PM

2. How about...

...we just learn to show respect, in general?

But, yeah...when you find yourself in front of a judge, cop or anyone that can make your life miserable, it's best to be polite.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:06 PM

31. Agree on all counts. nt

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:30 PM

3. I thought all of this

would be common sense to most,but looking at the other threads ....

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:49 PM

8. Oh--you have NO idea!!!! Even proper attire has become a big issue.

My personal favorites are the ones up on DUI charges showing up for TRIAL wearing beer Teeshirts or (equally good) pro drug use Teeshirts after getting busted for drugs. They show up wearing Tees with profanity, nudity--all kinds of stuff guaranteed to peeve a judge or jury--you'd be amazed! It is bad enough that a couple of attorneys I know actually keep spare dress shirts in the office just in case a client shows up dressed offensively.

I'm in and out of the courts on a regular basis as part of my job, and I never cease to be amazed.



Laura

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Response to davsand (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:28 PM

23. Two of my favorite t-shorts

1. Had a giant marijuana leaf on it

2. Was a picture of the back of a man's head between two thighs. The caption: "The REAL Taste of Chicago"

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Response to AngryAmish (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:04 PM

29. JUST what you want to see your client wear into court!

Does the phrase "exercise in futility" come to mind???




Laura

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Response to davsand (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:19 PM

38. I had to go to court for something, a while back; I wore a suit.

My father went with me; the bailiff wanted to know if I was his lawyer. Which tells you something about how standards of dress have slipped, I suppose.

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Response to davsand (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:24 PM

40. I had to go to court for a ticket awhile back

I wore a suit and tie and was amazed at the sea of t shirts and jeans I was surrounded by. The only other person who was dressed up was a woman who was there for a prostitution citation.

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Response to Go Vols (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:58 PM

13. there are many here that like that Jerry Springer way.

I haven't looked at that thread but I'm guessing there are some numbnuts proclaiming freedumb of screech - that constipational rights are being abused if you can't tell a judge to fuck off or whatever.

good grief.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:35 PM

4. Jurors too...



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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:40 PM

5. I agree.

No matter if the judge is an a-hole, you have to suck it up b/c he's going to win that battle. It's best to focus on minimizing your losses. Same goes for dealing with cops, I might add. Being rude or argumentative will never work. Being polite and cooperative may not work, but has a better chance. Tough to do when the cop's a dick, I know.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:48 PM

7. But he didn't win the battle in question, did he? Another judge entirely over turned his bullshit.

 

So perhaps this is the beginning in a change for what's acceptable when a judge acts in contempt of the defendant.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:51 PM

10. How dare us commoners demand respect from those that command to be respected... nt

 

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:52 PM

11. She still got

30 days for contempt.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:11 PM

19. The defendant was lucky.

She would still have been lucky if she had sucked up the Judge's BS and appealed after. IOW, it was that the facts supported her, not her actions, that caused a favorable outcome. And she would have spared herself a 30 day contempt sentence in the process.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:41 PM

27. Nope...

Go read about it...he did not overturn the contempt charge...he upheld it.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:09 PM

33. That isn't what happened n/t

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:23 PM

39. I'm pretty sure that's wrong

He amended the fine back to $5000 and dropped the drug charge is she goes to rehab. She's still doing the 30 days for contempt and will unless the little twit apologizes.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:44 PM

6. Good grief I know all that. I watch Judge Judy. nm

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:50 PM

9. Excellent advice that I follow, but from the comfort of my own home...

 

I can call these types of judges out for the assholes they are and acknowledge that people defending them for being fascists are probably less than tolerable to be around themselves.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:55 PM

12. Apparently those "don't"s are changing a bit since a day later another judgle completely overturned

 

the original judge's bullshit.

The only way stupid rules get changed is by situations like the one to which you are referring, by peaceful protestation in whatever form that takes. A courtroom to my experience is an oxymoron from the very beginning. First we're told to tell the whole truth, but whenever we try to do that we're told to just answer the question "yes or no" which isn't the whole truth at all, is it?

Things need to change, and perhaps this young lady wasn't the perfect Patty, but at the same time perfect Patty wouldn't be in front of a judge thusly in the first place. Hat's off to this young lady for both her attitude about fairness, and her win in the courts.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:10 PM

18. Incorrect. The contempt charge was not overturned.

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Response to Lionessa (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:10 PM

34. Nope, the charge wasn't overturned

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:59 PM

14. This should be explained to people entering a court. -nt-

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:00 PM

15. The Chicago Seven had an entirely different opinion...

Nothing like hog tying and gagging a defendent in your courtroom to attract public attention...

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:04 PM

16. What's the problem with chewing gum?

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:24 PM

41. Would you go to a job

interview chewing gum? Also doesn't belong in a court room.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:26 PM

42. Why should anybody take offense at chewing gum?

I don't see anything offensive about it as long as they don't stick it to something, like the underside of a desk.

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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #42)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:32 PM

44. It's just not appropriate

I personally haven't chewed gum since I had braces in my teens and I do find it distracting to have a conversation with someone who is chomping away on the stuff.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:42 PM

46. I don't think people should take offense at gum.

If a person takes offense at chewing gum, I would question whether that person has the correct temperament to be a judge. If they get distracted by gum I'm not sure they would really be good at judging stuff. I don't find gum offensive or distracting. A judge should be able to keep his or her focus at least as well as me, and not be too distracted by gum.


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Response to limpyhobbler (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:14 PM

50. Knock yourself out

The OP was trying to be helpful. You, of course, are free to do any stupid thing in a courtroom you would like.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:31 PM

51. OK, except chewing gum isn't stupid. It's a totally neutral behavior.

It shouldn't affect anything. If a judge lets gum affect anything one way or another, or spends any work time discussing it, I think the problem is with the judge. Maybe they take themselves too seriously or something.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:05 PM

17. Agreed!

Thinking the woman who told a judge "fuck you" is some kind of hero, is ridiculous.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:17 PM

21. yep

no-brainer.

But then she has no brain, just hair.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:26 PM

22. All good advice.



Too late for the "hero" though.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:37 PM

24. If a judge is being a jerk, s/he should be called out on it.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:40 PM

26. But NOT the way to do it

--the courtroom has to have decorum or there would be utter chaos. NOBODY likes judges. Duh.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:11 PM

36. Not in the courtroom -- ever

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:39 PM

25. "Smart Off" to a judge,


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and THIS happens:


Believe me.
It can happen to you.


I will add one more prohibition to those listed by the OP:
Don't imbibe alcoholic beverages before your appearance in court.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #25)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:27 PM

43. I love that show

Especially loved when Sheldon looked at the very large man who was sitting down and saying "you're in my seat". Sheldon has no filter - much like this twit. Same thing happened to both but Sheldon was smart enough to apologize (I realize it was because there was no way as a germophobe he was going to use the communal toilet).

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:45 PM

28. Seems there are people across this country that would say all that nicey shit

only works for certain judges and certain people. Why don't you folks ask some of the people that lost their homes in Florida and the rest of the country about judges that let banks take their homes even when these banks had no right to, but judges allowed it. It doesn't always work to just bend over and take it. Judges are people and people are not always right.

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Response to Madmiddle (Reply #28)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:04 PM

30. Agreed.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

32. The Court is what is respected, not the judge

Complaints can later be made about judges, and those complaints are often effective (if legit). But, while in court, if you act like a fool, you have a good chance of getting slapped down and/or getting a CoC charge.

Good OP!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:10 PM

35. I agree that we should show respect toward

a judge. But...if that is so, why is it OK to show disrespect by so many repugs toward our president? Why the double standard?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:17 PM

37. Excellent advice.

I have had to appear in court several times (hard to live a long life and not end up there for one reason or another). I learned very early on to act respectful and not be argumentative. I have managed to talk my self out of several tickets - not by arguing with the cop, but by being respectful and apologetic. I have also successfully 'beat' a couple of speeding tickets in court, again by being respectful to all involved, but the facts were on my side.

When going to court, I always get a haircut and wear a suit. I 'sir' everyone (or 'your honor' if it is the judge, even if he is a jerk). When my daughter had to get involved with the Kentucky equivalent of Child Protective Services, we stressed to her the importance of dressing herself and the kids nicely. She was amazed at the difference between the way she was treated as a well-dressed professional looking woman vs how others she saw were treated when they came in looking like they hadn't even bothered to put on clean clothes in a week.

But as a previous comment said, you can't help the self-destructive.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:38 PM

45. Great advice, this woman didn't pay attention obviously

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:44 PM

47. sometimes the advice you would give a friend

is the hardest to follow yourself. but if you want to fight a truly bad judge, flipping him off may be satisfying for a moment, but counter productive at the least.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:47 PM

48. Makes sense to me. +1

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:07 PM

49. I have seen an attorney put in jail for muttering 'asshole' in court.

We were all thinking it, but he said it. Shouldn't have. You must respect the office, no matter what you think of the holder. Otherwise, we have chaos and things get even worse.

And don't go into court with your penis tattoos on your arms showing!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:15 PM

52. Spoken like a true authoritarian. n/t

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 05:18 AM

53. lol. seriously? lame.

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Response to cali (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:01 PM

55. Showing blind respect to authority even when it's oppressing you

is the very essence of authoritarianism. And could you possibly come up with a better response that doesn't make you sound like the girl in the video?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:12 AM

54. Ah yes..

... by all means adhere to a double standard and show respect for the judge even if he is a fucking asshole. got it.

This set of rules makes perfect sense in a courtroom run by a judge with similar sensibilities. It breaks down when the judge is an arrogant douchebag.

I'm sorry, but "adios" is not contempt and this judge was wrong.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:05 PM

56. Yes. Do you offer the same advice

to students in the classroom, or their parents?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Feb 9, 2013, 12:12 PM

57. Not only "don't use your cell phone" Turn it off.

Judges get really annoyed if someones cell phone rings.

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