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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:56 PM

There Must Be Notification, Judicial and Congressional Oversight, and an Imminent Threat

for a drone strike on anyone. A president must make the potential target aware of the fact that they are a threat to the U.S., and give the target a chance to submit themselves to U.S. authority for adjudication. This is consistent with our constitutional norms. If anyone, American or not, refuses to turn themselves in and continues to commit acts of terror, then they may be targeted for a drone attack.

No one on DU nor any other Liberal website that I know had any problem with Clinton using cruise missiles to kill Usama Bin Laden nor did anyone have any problem with sending in forces to kill Usama in the hills of Tora Bora. Anyone posting now that has a problem with killing known terrorists with a drone is being dishonest and using this issue to spew hatred toward the president.

There should be restraints on this power, but the policy itself has strong support from the American people.

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Reply There Must Be Notification, Judicial and Congressional Oversight, and an Imminent Threat (Original post)
Yavin4 Feb 2013 OP
jberryhill Feb 2013 #1
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #7
jberryhill Feb 2013 #8
Dawgs Feb 2013 #2
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #6
Dawgs Feb 2013 #19
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #24
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #17
stevenleser Feb 2013 #21
MineralMan Feb 2013 #3
Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #4
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #5
Floyd_Gondolli Feb 2013 #14
whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #9
Capt. Obvious Feb 2013 #10
Melinda Feb 2013 #11
Catherina Feb 2013 #12
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #15
Catherina Feb 2013 #22
zipplewrath Feb 2013 #13
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #16
zipplewrath Feb 2013 #18
Angry Dragon Feb 2013 #20
David Zephyr Feb 2013 #23
Yavin4 Feb 2013 #26
Glassunion Feb 2013 #25

Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:06 PM

1. About notice


Would you consider a person on notice if it was generally announced "If you do X (where X is reasonably specific), you will be a target".

It would seem under that circumstance that one has notice that engaging in X will result in targeting.

I'd also suggest an "or" between judicial and congressional, since in the general rock-paper-scissors game of the Constitution, any two can over-ride any one.

On "imminent threat" would you include past acts in combination with a more general course of conduct - i.e. the person is known to have committed act X, and is currently planning act Y, such that it can be inferred that absent intervention, the plan to commit act Y will likely occur?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:14 PM

7. I Would List Known Terrorist Groups that have taken responsibility for acts of violence....

and if you join that group, American or not, you should consider that notice that you are a target. That's one example.

On "imminent threat" would you include past acts in combination with a more general course of conduct - i.e. the person is known to have committed act X, and is currently planning act Y, such that it can be inferred that absent intervention, the plan to commit act Y will likely occur?


Yes.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #7)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:20 PM

8. What is "join that group"?


I don't know if it is like the Rotary Club.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:10 PM

2. Was Osama Bin Laden an American? n/t

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:13 PM

6. OBL was trained and supported by the CIA during the 1980s Russian invasion of Afghanistan. n/t

 

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Response to Fire Walk With Me (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:06 PM

19. Interesting, I didn't realize that's a way to become an American. n/t

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #19)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:25 PM

24. Most don't know that he was once our near and dear friend. n/t

 

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Response to Dawgs (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:56 PM

17. If McVeigh had fled to Afghanistan or Pakistan after OKC and was killed with a drone...

 

It would be a good day for America.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:10 PM

21. You're even being generous. If he had fled to Afpak and was continuing to plot attacks...

otherwise, right on!

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:11 PM

3. If there is an immediate threat, the other two are superfluous

for the military.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:11 PM

4. If you think the government doesn't lie and has our best interests in mind

 

please click the link:

http://www.bing.com/search?q=pruit+igoe+spraying&go=&qs=bs&form=QBLH

And this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2323837

And this:

http://occupyobservations.blogspot.com/2012/01/oakland-officials-caught-in-lies-about.html

Drone attacks in five countries with whom we are not at war have resulted in the deaths of over 100 children.

The NDAA, twice-signed, allows for the indefinite detention of US citizens without trial or representation. FISA has been put into action for another 5 years. DHS are militarizing police departments and are requesting a CISPA 2.0.

The NDAA Legalizes The Use Of Propaganda On The US Public

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525089

"Something is terribly wrong with this country." -V for Vendetta

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:12 PM

5. How about that 16 year old boy that they killed after they killed

his father about a week before??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #5)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:50 PM

14. He's fair game

 

He wasn't exactly hanging out at the mall chasing tail or going to the sock hop of Friday night. Get real.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:24 PM

9. Naw, during the Bush administration we used to say that about spying on Americans too

but it's ok now. These silly concerns shall pass too..

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:25 PM

10. No! Alderaan is peaceful. We have no weapons!

No one on DU had any problem with Clinton's missile strikes because....

Anyone?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:37 PM

11. I had deep concerns, the very same concerns I have now. I recognized Clinton then just as I

know President Obama now. I am far from new to political machinations and 'The Art of War'; I have no doubts as to what makes this planet spin round, and the "memo" is in keeping with geopolitical power. My liberal enthusiasms died a long time ago. Faded and jaded, that's me.

Liberals/Progressives, where is the humanity in any of this?

I still scream. It's just that no one hears me anymore.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:45 PM

12. Of all the fail in this OP, this is the most offensive

Of all the fail in this OP, this is the most offensive: "No one on DU nor any other Liberal website that I know had any problem with Clinton using cruise missiles to kill Usama Bin Laden"

Seriously, WTF, many of us did and do and have been very vocal about that over the years.

DU wasn't even around back then but you pretend to mind read. The lengths some of you are going to to justify the unjustifiable is mind-boggling.

I trust you'll have no problems when countries choose to forcefully, even violently, retaliate against the terror we rain from their skies and call it fighting terrorism. Especially considering how many "known terrorists" are running loose in our country.

Of all the dishonest, offensive OPs over the last two days, this one takes the cake. Congratulations.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:53 PM

15. Please show me the links

Show me the links to DUers who complained about Clinton's use of missiles to get Bin Laden. There may have been a small number, but the majority of the DU community had no problems with it nor did any other Liberal that I know. Most of them went on show after show citing these missile attacks as proof that Clinton was tough on terror.

Dishonest? Hardly. Fail my ass.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:13 PM

22. Do your own searching if you're even remotely interested n/t

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:48 PM

13. DU ain't that old.

No one on DU nor any other Liberal website that I know had any problem with Clinton using cruise missiles to kill Usama Bin Laden nor did anyone have any problem with sending in forces to kill Usama in the hills of Tora Bora. Anyone posting now that has a problem with killing known terrorists with a drone is being dishonest and using this issue to spew hatred toward the president.

I don't think DU even existed during the Clinton administration, but there were people who objected to Clinton's various use of force. This was highlighted after he bombed an aspirin factory. (And you will note he DIDN'T kill Bin Laden).

As for Tora Bora, we didn't find him there, we CHASED him there. That was during an active war, in a war zone, inside a country with which we were at war. They were shooting back and were in military facilities built to fight from.

That in no way describes much of what is happening now.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #13)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:55 PM

16. DU was here after 9/11

And when conservatives blamed Clinton for 9/11 and called him soft on terror, many DUers on this board and Liberals every where cited Clinton's missile attacks as proof that Clinton was tough on terror.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:01 PM

18. At the time

At the time, there was opposition to what he did. I wouldn't take much meaning out of the fact that 6 years later, when people were resurrecting those acts in the context of 9/11. One can't really expect them to reappear to re-criticize those acts again.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:07 PM

20. Just because Osama worked for the CIA does not make him an American citizen

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:16 PM

23. Well, I'm with you.

And thank you, Yavin4, for saying this.

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Response to David Zephyr (Reply #23)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:58 PM

26. Thank you for your support

It's very much appreciated.

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Response to Yavin4 (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:34 PM

25. How about we settle for a vague e-mail, a super secret panel and a Distant Danger?

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