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Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:16 PM

Newton Mother: "Let Them See What They've Done"

“Let them see what they’ve done.” -- Jacqueline Kennedy.

“I want the world to see what they did to my baby." -- Emmet Till's mother.

“I owed it to him as his mother, the good, the bad and the ugly." -- Noah Pozner's Mother.


Noah's Brave Mother:

Parents of the dead children were advised to identify them from photographs, such was the carnage. But every parent reacts differently. Veronique Pozner did the most difficult thing. She asked to see the body.

Reporter Zeveloff asked her why.

"I owed it to him as his mother, the good, the bad and the ugly,” she said. “. . . And as a little boy, you have to go in the ground. If I am going to shut my eyes to that I am not his mother. I had to bear it. I had to do it.”

When the governor of Connecticut arrived, she brought him to see Noah in the open casket. “If there is ever a piece of legislation that comes across his desk, I needed it to be real for him.” The governor wept.


http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/2013/01/22/mallick_why_newtown_victim_noah_pozner_had_an_open_coffin.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/07/1185323/--Let-Them-See-What-They-ve-Done-Why-Newtown-Victim-Noah-Had-an-Open-Coffin

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kpete Feb 2013 OP
PADemD Feb 2013 #1
onehandle Feb 2013 #2
2naSalit Feb 2013 #8
freshwest Feb 2013 #57
LibGranny Feb 2013 #65
valerief Feb 2013 #4
Matariki Feb 2013 #29
Greybnk48 Feb 2013 #5
marions ghost Feb 2013 #23
Volaris Feb 2013 #46
Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #61
WillyT Feb 2013 #3
mokawanis Feb 2013 #6
progressoid Feb 2013 #14
mokawanis Feb 2013 #20
Chorophyll Feb 2013 #22
Nay Feb 2013 #32
Chorophyll Feb 2013 #41
Nay Feb 2013 #63
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #60
Hekate Feb 2013 #7
SCVDem Feb 2013 #9
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #36
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #43
lunatica Feb 2013 #10
tavalon Feb 2013 #54
mike dub Feb 2013 #11
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #28
tavalon Feb 2013 #56
mountain grammy Feb 2013 #12
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #16
alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #27
WinkyDink Feb 2013 #45
libdem4life Feb 2013 #47
marions ghost Feb 2013 #24
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #34
marions ghost Feb 2013 #39
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #49
marions ghost Feb 2013 #53
justiceischeap Feb 2013 #52
SheilaT Feb 2013 #13
mike dub Feb 2013 #15
abelenkpe Feb 2013 #21
BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #30
riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #42
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #17
yesphan Feb 2013 #33
Tagish_Charlie Feb 2013 #55
southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #18
Gin Feb 2013 #19
tblue Feb 2013 #25
still_one Feb 2013 #26
glowing Feb 2013 #31
Thinkingabout Feb 2013 #68
Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #35
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #37
Chorophyll Feb 2013 #44
blackspade Feb 2013 #38
riverbendviewgal Feb 2013 #40
libdem4life Feb 2013 #48
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #50
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #51
Glamrock Feb 2013 #69
Cha Feb 2013 #58
Alcibiades Feb 2013 #59
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Claybrains Feb 2013 #64
MsPithy Feb 2013 #66
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King_Klonopin Feb 2013 #70
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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:22 PM

1. Before Congress votes

They need to see the crime scene photos.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:33 PM

2. Exactly. Loons wave pictures of fetuses outside of women's clinics.

Bloody photos of the victims of gun culture should should be presented to our knuckledragging House of Representatives.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:00 PM

8. +1,000,000!!!

They need to look at these pictures and not allowed to vote until they look at each one.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:50 PM

57. Again, a million times over. No more covering it up.

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Response to onehandle (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:03 PM

65. Great idea!

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Response to PADemD (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:44 PM

4. But that would be like looking at photos of war, and we know Congress doesn't give

a shit about war carnage.

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Response to valerief (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:56 PM

29. I agree. Not photos - they should see actual human beings affected by their legislation.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:45 PM

5. I think they should be published in the NYT

so everyone sees what was done to these tender little children. Make it real.

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Response to PADemD (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:32 PM

23. Absolutely

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Response to PADemD (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:27 PM

46. Ill do you one better...

those caskets should have been laid in State, in the Rotunda of the Capitol, for our lawmakers to see. I know not all those who greive do so in similar ways, but, as a fellow parent, I agree with this mom's decision.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #46)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:30 PM

61. Yes, 26 OPEN caskets in the Rotunda.

Can't vote until they look...then go directly to vote.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:38 PM

3. HUGE K & R !!!


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:53 PM

6. What a courageous woman

I don't know how she found the strength to do that.

In remembrance of Noah:


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Response to mokawanis (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:18 PM

14. That picture always makes my heart stop

He looks so much like the son of a friend of mine.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #14)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:40 PM

20. It really gets to me too

Such a sweet little boy. There's a tenderness and sensitivity about him that always reminds me of my little grandson. Just breaks my heart to look at Noah's picture.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:27 PM

22. Just no words.

This picture just gave me a crying jag, more than a month later. I can't begin to imagine what these families are going through.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #22)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:04 PM

32. No words here, either. I'm getting little Grandson Nay (age 6) this afternoon, and every

time I see his sweet little face I think about the horror Newtown parents and grandparents had to suffer. I selfishly hope I never have to endure that. It makes me cry still.

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Response to Nay (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:23 PM

41. ...

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:44 PM

63. Thanks for the hug...I just took the little fellow home to his parents for his bath and bedtime.

We played with building sets, had a sword fight with paper towel tubes, and played around with fingerpaints. He's such a sweet little thing. I gave his darling little head a bunch of kisses before I turned him over to Daddy. Gave Daddy (my son) some kisses too, because you just never know when they will be snatched away.

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Response to mokawanis (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:37 PM

60. What a sweet little boy!

He makes me want to cry over this tragedy all over again. How could anybody do this to these little angels I will never know.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:59 PM

7. Mother courage


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:06 PM

9. Flag draped caskets were too much for America!

I believe that since the NRA chooses to go back to the Wild West, then the media should also.

They used to be print photos of bullet ridden bad guys propped up in coffins for all to see. Hangings were open to the public.

America needs to see the results of their bullshit gun policies and the aftermath.

We get freaked out over a few milliseconds of a breast shot but gun deaths are what, obscene?

Show the carnage on page 1 until we finally decide we have had enough and demand change!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:12 PM

36. agreed

 

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:25 PM

43. No. That was a BushCo edict so we would not protest the useless carnage.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:13 PM

10. This made me cry all over again

I'm afraid I would do the same if my son was murdered. I feel I would owe it to him. If you love someone you have to love them all the way. Strangely enough if it was death by accident and the authorities advised not to see the body I might not request it. It's something about the violence of murder that would make me feel like a needed to bear witness to what they did.

It's strange, I know.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:07 PM

54. It's not strange, it's mother courage

You and I both know that we would throw ourselves in front of a bullet for our children and we, heaven forbid, would bear witness and then never, ever let it go. These mothers will never let it go and there are few of us who ever would, for our children's sake.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:17 PM

11. This made me cry again, too

And I don't even have children. I can't image the grief.

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Response to mike dub (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:53 PM

28. same here.

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Response to mike dub (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:08 PM

56. You have humanity

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:17 PM

12. At the very least, publish color photos of the classrooms after the bodies were removed.

Some kind of reality is needed here. The outrage over Vietnam finally expoloded from watching films of the carnage on the evening news. We need reality to get real!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:28 PM

16. especially that little Vietnamese girl

screaming, naked, after she was napalmed. That alone may have been a turning point.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:52 PM

27. 1972...long after the turning point in Vietnam

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:27 PM

45. You think? 1972's election wouldn't be evidence of any "turning point".

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #16)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:28 PM

47. Hell yes, just responded on another thread about that photo.

Bless that courageous Newtown mother. If Americans had to see...real life, not video games or tv, our policies would change. It is in the interests of the PTB to keep us wooed with substitute violence, jingoism, rather than the accountability of an American vote to send a gun, bullet, bomb decimating children, families, homes, villages.

Some say they chop off heads or pull out plugs on incubators, so that makes it right for us to bomb their heads off and deny electricity to preemies and entire hospitals, I guess.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #12)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:38 PM

24. I'd go with that

yes--we have reality shows galore, all sorts of "in depth" coverage and gory pix.

Except when it's about the slaughter of children.

Show the bloody classroom.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

34. Anyone who has seen the Zapruder film (unedited version)

will know that it won't be just blood in the that classroom. Or anyone who has seen any human being who was shot in the head up close.

The people who NEED to see this (gun nuts) will refuse to. My husband shut off the TV when Sandy Hook happened. "I don't need to watch this kind of stuff." Well, maybe he does need to since he has NEVER seen anyone shot. I have.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:28 PM

39. So do you think the public should see the pix of the location

of a mass killing?

Maybe we need to know that the shocking blood spattered pictures we see from some "uncivilized" country can be found right here? Would this help take the blinders off? There is a lot of denial here.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #39)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:38 PM

49. Without the bodies? YES

Should we have not shown the film of JFK getting shot and his head blow away with his blood and brains spraying out? Should the autopsy pictures not been released? Thank Jackie, and public information, for that. How about coffins of war dead coming home? That might turn people against war, now wouldn't it? Same thing with showing pictures of a REAL crime scene? It is not some hyped TV show. I say SHOW the gun owners what their guns can do.

If Noah's mother wanted to show this, she doesn't have the right because if might INFLAME gun owners? Her right, the same as Jackie's.

Do you want ME to describe what I saw as a 6 year old witnessing an adult shot in the face? No, it was not just a neat TV bullet hole in the head.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:04 PM

53. Agreed, without the bodies of children--

--out of sensitivity to the parents and siblings--but otherwise show the crime scene photos from the school.

In the case of mass killings of adults, I would give permission for photos of bodies to be shown, if I were a relative. Maybe we are used to images of blood and gore in movies and video games, but the real thing, unsanitized--I think it still has an impact.

I am sure your horrific experience was traumatic Hockeymom. My SO saw people gunned down in a street & has never gotten over that. So I know to experience what you did as a child was even worse. But you are speaking out and not burying it...and maybe you can have some small part in the change which MUST come.

This is like the opening up of a huge national floodgate. I always knew it was there--the stress and anger that comes from living in a gun culture that has been welling up below the surface for many years. Let us hope and pray that Sandyhook is the turning point that will make people refuse to be silent.

No more.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:12 PM

52. I saw Bud Dwyer kill himself on live TV (graphic text)

it was awful. I was 15 I think.

The thing I recall about it most when I think about it, is the way his hair flapped up in the back when the bullet exited.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:18 PM

13. I've said it a couple of times here.

Go to the people who think guns are just fine to have, and show them before and after photos of these children. Or just about anyone who dies from gunshot. It's nothing the way Hollywood depicts. The brutal damage wrought on a body is almost impossible to understand.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:25 PM

15. This mother's courage also contrasts with the selfishness of the right wing-nuts

While I was still mourning --pretty heavily, actually-- (more than 1,000 miles from Sandy Hook) just days after the murders in Sandy Hook, my rightwing family was already going off. Not even about what a horrifying tragedy it was, but about how Obama was going to take MY guns away as a result of this. It was all about ME ME ME! Nothing about the kids slaughtered there.

It was like they had no sadness for the people of Sandy Hook, just sadness and anger for how THEIR gun rights would be SHATTERED by Obama.

Sorry- I just thought of the contrast between the selflessness of Noah's mother, and the selfishness of the righties. Using Sandy Hook as another way to get mad at President Obama. Cowardly.

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Response to mike dub (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:24 PM

21. My right wing family is the same

My mother even posted a vile rant in the local paper wailing that liberals were using Sandy Hook to take her guns. I was and am so completely ashamed.

Glad I live on the other side of the country from them though!

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #21)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:57 PM

30. I'm sorry to hear this......

Must be tough.


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Response to mike dub (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:24 PM

42. My brother too

the Right wing nut wit in NJ....who hates Obama for his colour.

He sent me emails that guns are a right...after the shooting.

I cut him off from any more connections.

He truly is hateful.

and he does not even own a gun or went to war. He sat a desk all his two years in DC typing during Viet nam.

yet he tries to be the hero warrior. I am disgusted with him and his family.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:32 PM

17. Women who want abortions are forced to have ultrasounds they don't need and look at

pictures and ultrasound images they don't want to look at.

So fair is fair. Anyone who wants to buy a gun has to sit and look at photos of children killed by guns for, oh, an hour or so.

The RW can't have it both ways. Sit down, shut up, and feast your eyes.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:05 PM

33. Yes, photos

of children shot by themselves, siblings or friends who found loaded guns laying around like play things.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:07 PM

55. Of course the RW cabin have it both ways

 

after all they are the arbiters of truth, all right and wrong and are imminently qualified to to make decisions that are always in the best interests of us all. The American people need to understand that the RW has been anointed by God as his official messengers here in America. One we blindly accept this, life will be as it should,
In a Tealiban theocracy.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:33 PM

18. I think it's about time that these families that have the courage to show what the damage

 

has been done to their loved ones. Why is it only the judge and jury get to see the horror of what happens? The more the public must see the more people will ask for reasonable gun control.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:34 PM

19. Courageous mother

I agree.....show the crime scene photos in all their ugliness to these congressmen and NRA loons.

Maybe the public should see them too.....time for common sense to be the norm...




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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:39 PM

25. That's my son's name.

Oh my gosh. Make the NRA leadership look at him. And every lawmaker.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:44 PM

26. No one needs a fucking assault rifle

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:02 PM

31. Real legislation would be dealing with guns and gun owners

much more like they were owners of a vehicle, and for all weapons sold or legal in the US to be registered in a Federal Database with paperwork following the weapon like a vehicle's registration is.

The licensing would be a process of gun safety courses along with weapons training certified by instructors. Along with a test for mental fitness and background check of who lives in the home and how the owner is going to store the weapon. Along with some sort of weapon insurance for accidents or deaths for the licensed owner.

All weapons would need to be registered by the manufacturers before being sold on the open market. Every gun shop and gun show seller would have to check for a owner's license (this would eliminate the burden of making sure a gun owner was "ok" because the person had already been thru the Federal Guideline check for owning a firearm). As well, every weapon in one's home that had not been previously listed on the registry would be the responsibility of the gun owner to take the weapon to a Federal Registration office to create paperwork and make sure the owner had gone thru the licensing requirements. Any weapon found after a certain grace period or any person not qualifying for a license would lose their weapon immediately or be subject to 5 yrs in jail. Within the grace period there could be buy back initiatives at police stations to get the illegal weapons out of homes and off the streets.

I would assume that any insurance company that would be insuring a gun owner would work hand in hand placing requirements and regulations on owners and weapons so that their pay outs are minimized.

The gun owners keep saying that cars kill more people every year than guns do, well cars have a certain set of guidelines for ownership and driving of the car. There are minimum age requirements, training, permits, classes, insurance, and licensing needed before a purchase of a car or to drive a car. Lets be real, gun owners aren't really going to take on the Federal Govt. it would have happened way before the Govt created nuclear weapons and the Pentagon. Now, we have flying, unmanned drones flying about in the sky. The last 2 Presidents have basically decided using them to target terrorists is ok, and that a terrorist can include American Citizens.

The weapon manufacturers use the NRA and lobbying to keep themselves in business and for certain people armed to the teeth in fear. If people can still buy their weapons and there is a process like buying a vehicle, those who want a weapon will go thru the process that they need to in order to own a weapon. And the gun shows can still go on, and the manufacturers could use incentives like paying for the license course with a gun owners first purchase. They could adapt. Would they be as likely to smuggle weapons into Mexican drug cartels as easily, most likely not, but perhaps they could go to Mexico and buy themselves a few politicians to allow for guns to be easier to purchase... But that's their own damn problem to figure out. In the USA, weapons and owners would be licensed, insured, and registered. And if these gun owners say that owning a weapon is their right and they only use them to hunt, for recreation, or home protection, then they shouldn't have a problem taking the steps to be a responsible gun owner in the first place. At the very least, this type of process should decrease the amount of mass shootings and will actually give gun owners a means to education and practice in owning a gun. So many of these people seem rather uneducated when it comes to owning a weapon or being able to use it.

In the long run, it will probably be hunters and sport recreational owners into the future that even bother. If less people bother going thru the process of owning a hand gun, and we have a period of 10 or so years to get many of the illegal weapons off the street, then the need for "protection" may decrease. It would be harder for criminals to get a weapon easily if all legal weapons must be registered and only sold to someone with a license and insurance.

Just making certain elements of a weapon illegal or hitting around the edges of certain weapons won't stop the violence alone. We also have to recognize why certain areas in cities become crime ridden and why it is that gang and the violence that goes with it seems like the only path for children. It's unfortunate that they are targeting the wrong people in their communities, rather than taking their voice and strength in numbers and demanding a political solution to the inequality and lack of opportunity that we are seeing blight our country more and more every year. If surviving wasn't such a "battle" in this country, perhaps people wouldn't feel like even needing a gun or be in a position where it was an everyday part of life.

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Response to glowing (Reply #31)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:53 PM

68. I like your thinking.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

35. I've been so impressed by the Sandy Hook Elementary parents.

Neil Heslin, David Wheeler, Mark Barden, Jackie Barden, and now Veronique Pozner.

As a parent of a child not much younger than theirs, I couldn't even imagine the grief. I'd be a mess.

And yet they've taken the time out of grieving to speak out and say what needs to be said. Even in the face of some of the ugliest people you will ever see.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:14 PM

37. I would not be so calm

 

or so polite in the face of the horrible hecklers

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #35)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:26 PM

44. I marvel at them. I really do.

I'm not a religious person but I'd like to believe that people who have lost children (wherever and however it happens) are held in some kind of protective embrace.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:23 PM

38. It just breaks my heart.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:20 PM

40. If it were my son

I would have taken pictures of him in his casket and mailed them to every member of congress and every governor of the USA. and every member of the states' congress. and every police chief in America . and every member of the NRA...including and especially the NRA Board of directors.

did I forget any one?

maybe the MSM, especially FOX News.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:31 PM

48. Sadly, I would have done so, also.

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #40)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:40 PM

50. +1000

They would not have been able to shut me up.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:02 PM

51. I have to say, this is turning into a nation of cowards.

We're afraid to see coffins coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan.
We're afraid to see the video footage of our military machines, manned and unmanned, gunning down possible hostiles or possible innocent civilians.
Afraid to show people jumping from a burning skyscraper, as if that would make it unreal, as if it didn't happen.
Shit, we've got free speech zones now, lest we accidentally see people protesting, just PROTESTING something.


We're afraid to see all of the consequences of our actions these days. Just fucking scared of it. No wonder so many have a hard time coming to a rational consensus on these issues when half of us have their fingers in their ears and their eyes shut.

I have boundless respect for Mrs. Pozner. I would stand with her and see.

And then we talk, informed.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #51)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:53 PM

69. I'm not so sure that "we" are afraid to look.

I think "they" are afraid of what happens if we do.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:58 PM

58. Bless her heart.. That's what Mothers do.

And, Dads.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:20 PM

59. Joe Madison on Sirius XM said this at the time

He said he remembered the Till story, that every black person in the US saw the pictures, and that even one picture from Newtown would be just as pivotal.

I salute this mother for her service to our country.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:34 PM

62. right to life protests.

Last year in fargo coming back from lunch at noon. A anti abortion group had billboard signs showing very high res photos of chopped up babies to promote their point of these lives are worth saving... school bus of children seen the photos and were screaming as they passed. It was horrifying.. but they got the point across. I thought they should of got charged with obscenity in public. With the sick photos. It was bombed on an un notified public just getting thru a noon hour. they didn't get charged , probably got a backing for their next horrible tirade on citizens. So if its ok for the Anti Abortionist to throw pics of destroyed babies, why can't a Mother who lost a 5 year old child that was shot 5 to 11 times in a school. to have equal footing in making policy changes by showing.. her child, after he/she has had some life and then killed by a weapon "that" (had sold out after his/her death) (sick). compared to a fetus that has not breathed life and had been ended by the family for the sake of the mother or the fetus. quality of life..... I guess bullets outweighs birth control.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:59 PM

64. Just like Emmett Till's mother did in 1955. Let them see what they did to my boy. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:20 PM

66. YES! Publish the photos!

Not only the photos that the medical examiners used to show the parents, the gun-fetishists need to see the unedited crime scene photos.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:42 PM

67. I also had to see my dead son

 

I found him hanging on a rope 4 years ago this coming June, on father's Day. I stayed with him, prayed for him, made sure all the "people" treated his body with respect, which they didn't, and evenhelped put him in the body bag. I felt I owed it to him and it was my duty to take care of him. I hope to find who murdered him, but the police offer no assistence, maybe they are the perps!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 03:40 AM

70. They reap what they sow ....

The NRA reaps the fruits of their labor.

They sowed the seeds of fear, paranoia, and
the necessity and proliferation of gun ownership
to defend one's self, one's property and one's freedom
from an invisible menace gathering at the gates.

They sow these seeds, and they reap a harvest of death --
not security and not freedom. Death.
They are ashamed to take the credit for these results.

How many Americans have died by murder, suicide, or by
accident from a gunshot wound ?

VS.

Those whom have been killed by someone using a gun in the
act of self-defense and self-protection ? (not including law enforcement)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 11:53 AM

71. Its NEW-TOWN not newt-on. Newtown, CT nt

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