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Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:49 PM

To those apathetic about the attack on the Post Office remember

that many millions of Americans make a living full or part with sales of items on the internet.

They would NEVER survive if they had to pay only UPS or Fedex prices.

A dvd first class for example is $1.35 ish

A dvd with the other services is 4-10 x more

The Post Offices is very efficient these days and I know this first hand.

A package can be delivered across the country in 3 days, this will be lost by
cutting out days of delivery.

We need to support the Post Office and not selfishly think that it's a dinosaur
and we don't need it because YOU don't need it.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:50 PM

1. If postage prices are unsustainably low, then changes must be made.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:52 PM

2. It's more about using the Post Office for new sources of revenue

Like internet access, and sales of certain products.

There are ways, and by the way they are not losing money!
The reported losses are part of the Republican trick anyway to force
them to fun 75 years of retirement. They make money!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:22 PM

18. Yep.

Under the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, Congress has for years forced the USPS to pre-fund 75 years’ worth of pensions for its employees, a requirement not made of any other public or private institution. That means that the Postal Service is footing the bill for employees it hasn’t even hired yet.
The USPS doesn’t actually receive money from the government, but still needs Congressional approval to make any changes to its structure. An analysis in July showed that the USPS, without its pension requirement, would have a $1.5 billion surplus.


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/02/06/1547551/postal-service-saturday-delivery/


Ed Schultz just showed a chart of how much money the Republican party gets in donations from UPS and Fed Ex. Twice as much as the Dems do.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:15 AM

47. Not just for people not even hired, but for people not even born yet

This was a dirty trick pulled by the repugs in 2006 during the Bush years. A poison pill really that they knew would eventually bankrupt the Post Office so that their corporate masters like UPS and FEDEX would get the business.

If it wasn't for having to cough up 5.5 Billion every year for pre-funding of retirees the Post Office wouldn't be going broke.

Once it's gone everyone will realize, WTF did we just do because UPS and FEDEX don't have the capability to deliver mail to every address in the US everyday. And they won't even try. There will be centralized pick-up facilities for mail (and you think the lines in the Post Office are long). Rural folks will have to drive for miles to get their mail.

And costs, forget about it. Forty-six cents for a letter will probably start at over $5.00 so do the math. Many small businesses that rely on the PO for shipping invoices and packages inexpensively will probably go out of business or try to pass on the expense to customers — us. So we're all going to really miss bashing the Post Office as we get gouged by UPS and FEDEX.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:42 AM

83. And just where does this extreme pension funding money go? Surrise... Wall Street!

Surely it's not all tied up in gov't bonds nor not sitting in a bank account accruing a 1% APR. Rethugs found a great way to channel huge amounts of money to the banksters while cutting the legs out from under the USPS. If the Dems ever get control of the house again, they should immediately reform that Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act.

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:59 PM

118. I heard that they were making . . .

$1.5B profit per year!

This was implemented by the Republican congress,
after they lost control of the House and Senate in the 2006 elections.
Yes, it was a lame duck session of congress that pushed this through
knowing that this was probably their only chance to get this passed.

The Democrats tried to fix it multiple times. First it passed in the house
when Pelosi was in charge, but the Republicans filibustered it in the
Senate.

Now it gets through the Senate, but Republican Senators don't care
because they know it won't go anywhere near a vote in Boners House.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:06 AM

74. They are not allowed to expand their services to increase revenue (and compete with FexEx/UPS).

I know it's an older story, but it is still relevant today. Here is an excerpt, more at the link:
But top Postal Service officials and outside experts say that another, underappreciated factor has been an insistence by Congress that the service not compete directly with private companies, even as companies like FedEx and U.P.S. have encroached on the Postal Service’s turf.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/us/postal-service-seeks-to-widen-activities-and-revenue.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

My own private sector employer will not let us use USPS because they are not allowed to guarantee next-day delivery (or two-day). Obviously, the bill didn't pass and the USPS is still hog-tied.

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Response to meeshrox (Reply #74)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 05:12 PM

119. I've used USPS for next day delivery many times. When did they do away with it? n/t

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Response to ieoeja (Reply #119)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:43 PM

144. They can't pick up from my specific office location

and guarantee next-day delivery. I called BS but, unfortunately, I have no say in my office on this issue. I was told it was for the sake of our time-sensitive materials.

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Response to meeshrox (Reply #74)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:11 PM

132. Important information thanks! nt

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:04 PM

141. They

Still lost 2.5 billion when you remove the pension payments. Even the head of the post office has stated that Saturday deliver isn't needed based on low volume.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:57 PM

37. Like raising rates to a sustainable level? n/t

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:36 AM

77. The post office need not be a profit center

It's a public service and a source of jobs for many Americans. It shouldn't be looked at as a business like FedEx or UPS. Those businesses exist to turn a profit for shareholders. The post office exists to serve All-Americans.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #77)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:11 AM

80. It is a money pit providing a dying service.

If they cannot find a way to break even, should it exist at all?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:21 AM

81. You're badly missing the point here.

What's keeping USPS from "breaking even" is the burden Congress laid on it in 2006: to prefund its pension plan 75 years into the future. Without that burden USPS would easily "break even." And yes, it should exist regardless.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:34 AM

82. I use the US post office every day it's open.

I sell on line and mail it out. In this small rural area there are NO JOBS. Last I looked we were headed for over 13% unemployment and that's based on rigged numbers. So, you are telling me the service I use every day is dying? Really? How do you think Amazon does it? They sell on line and ship out.

I can NOT get lucrative, padded contracts from UPS or FedEx like Amazon does. They save their best shipping rates for their biggest customers. We small customers have to suck it up. Except that right now the US postal service gives me the same cheap fees it gives everyone. So, now I have a thriving business.

If you do away with the US postal Service, which like guns is mentioned in the Constitution, then we rural folks will get NO Service. Just like when big corporations controlled all access to electricity, the rural areas never got the service because it was too expensive to string wire such vast distances between farmhouses. The federal government had to step in in order to ensure farmers got electricity. The same thing happened with phones. And if you destroy the US postal Service, you destroy many, many rural small businesses. Because FedEx and UPS are not going to deliver to rural areas. In fact they don't deliver to rural areas now. In very rural areas, UPS and FedEx deliver to the US post office, and the US post office delivers to the customer.

Why should the post office break even? Why? Fire Departments don't break even. Police Departments don't break even. The military Never breaks even. Libraries and museums don't break even. The DMV doesn't break even. Breaking even is NOT the goal, and never should be, of public services.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:08 AM

91. I disagree with you. All government doesn't need to "break even"

Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:59 AM - Edit history (1)

Generalizing that the institution isn't important doesn't take into account the people who depend on it for their businesses or direct employment of Americans in good union jobs.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:45 PM

104. Do the police break even?

Does defense break even? If the P.O. coul set its own rates it might break even. Tell that to Congress and the postal rate commission.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:54 PM

105. You should do some research.

 

The post office, before being strapped with this totally unfair funding of their pensions for 75 years, and pay it off in 15, was fully solvent and had much lower prices that anyone to deliver mail and packages. They receive NO TAX dollars and their entire income is in stamp sales.

The republicans are trying to destroy (and they are succeeding) the post office so the private carriers (which line their pockets) can take over.

It's the most disgusting thing I've seen in awhile. It is not a dying service. Packages can't be emailed. Neither can important documents that must be signed for. The PO would be doing just fine and can compete with anyone, if the RePUKeS just get out of the way.

1974 first class postage: 10 cents - Coca-Cola - 10 cents

2013 first class postage 46 cents - Coca-Cola - a lot more than 46 cents

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #80)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:31 PM

108. The Postal Service has operated under a "break even" mandate ever since it was reorganized in 1971.

Last edited Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:02 PM - Edit history (1)

It was written into the law that removed it from a cabinet post as the Post Office and it became the U.S. Postal Service.

Between rate cases, USPS would make money some years and lose money other years -- sustained by the cost of postage, not tax payers. They could not raise rates arbitrarily, but were required to have approval of the Postal Regulatory Commission to implement rate changes. (Not simple - when I worked there, it required about a year to build a rate case.) Increases could not exceed the cost of inflation.

All of this while maintaining "universal" service, same price anywhere in the U.S. Even with boat routes in the Okefenokee, burros to the depths of the Grand Canyon, and sled routes in Alaska. All for the same $. Think FedEx or USPS or another corporation would do that for forty five cents? It's like all the "privatize" crap. Profitize what the profiteers want and make the tax payers pay for the difference and/or the poor can do without.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:03 PM

95. Not that. It's Republican action plan to strangle government in all forms; ridiculous pension law:


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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:42 PM

103. They are forbidden to raise them more than the rate of inflation.

 

Another big "Thanks For Nothing" for the republicasses.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:14 PM

111. They are only unstustainably low because of the recent hostage takeover of them by

them by the GOP. They would be able to sustain these rates if they did not have to pay 75 years into the future someone's pension! What the GOP has done to the post office is not just evil I think it has to be illegal.

And I am one of those sellers. I wrote in another thread that I just had to increase all my postage rates from $1.50, (where I would lose .14 cents but I didn't care) to $5.00! for a 0 - 5 ounce package!, (the rate is $5.05) That is a very small and very light package. And forget international. It's almost not even worth it.

I also buy a lot of stuff over the internet and this is going to screw things up big time.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:51 PM

116. They are not. A law passed in 2006 requires that the post office have money on hold for 75 years of

penions payment sin teh future. THAT is not sustainable. It was passed by a republican congress. No other entity has such a requirement.
That law needs to be overturned and the Post OIffice will be fine.

The "unsustainable" is a cue for privatization.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:00 PM

143. uh, check out the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act

then your matter of fact glibness, which by the way is 100.0% WRONG should vanish. there is nothing 'unsustainable' about the USPS

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:55 PM

3. think of the things that still get mailed - birth announcements wedding invitations.

I am getting letters threatening to sue me if I don't comply with some real estate things (hurricane Sandy stuff) that I already complied with. Duh - I know if my neighbors want a zoning variation, i have to get a registered letter

Yes mail would be way more expensive if it were privatized. And the companies are just frothing at the mouth thinking about it. I hate how this country is getting to be more and more all about the rich and what they want. If corporations are people, they deserve long ail terms!!!!

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:00 PM

6. These things happen so quickly

before we know it we'll be stuck paying those high rates.

The whole thing is crazy, and would be stopped but it's not a "sexy" issue so it seems to be lost in the shuffle. Big Ed is on the case at least. I'm very upset because of the closing of historical Post Offices in my area. It's also an architectural loss.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:50 PM

35. for sme reson. our teeny tiny post office is being left open,

but with the last big business moving out of town, I don't know how much longer that will be. I am not sure how much of the 8th ave post office in NYC will be left when it is converted to a rail terminal, but it is pretty grand.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:56 PM

4. Netflix Mail Costs Go Down With End Of Saturday Postal Service


Netflix Mail Costs Go Down With End Of Saturday Postal Service

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/netflix-mail_n_2632397.html


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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:00 AM

39. Thanks Tx.. I'm one of those netflix Instant and DVD subscribers.

The reason is because they offer a lot by mail that they don't have streaming. I'd like to do only streaming if everything was Available. I use Hulu, too... thats free

That's going to suck not geting two a week, though. Darn!

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:48 AM

69. only because people won't be getting their discs in a timely matter.

in that regard, all of the utility and credit card companies will be more profitable as well, more late fees to collect! whoohoo!

right now, about 1/3 of the time i get my "weekly" netflix movie on saturday. months ago the USPS announced that they will be closing the distribution center in my large city, about 500,000 in the metro area. we'll soon be piggybacking off Denver's center, that change will add a day or two to lead times. elimination of saturday delivery will mean i will be lucky to EVER get a movie by the weekend. i guess i'll be cancelling soon.

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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #4)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:52 PM

117. as does our service! no receiving netflix on saturdays!!!! the most important movie of the week i.

is the one arriving on saturday.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 10:58 PM

5. I've been screaming at and about those 2 1/2 day per weekers do nothing fuckwad privatizers

ownership society dominionist shooters for years. It has done absolutely nothing.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:31 PM

21. I love your description.

Perfect! You nailed exactly what they are.

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Response to love_katz (Reply #21)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:44 PM

28. Oh.

Gawd how I can't stand them!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:02 PM

7. and we also need to remember that this is not just about the post office

Republicans are trying to get rid of all of our public institutions. They have a hatred of the poor and even of the middle class, and they want to completely do away with anything that is publicly funded.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:07 PM

11. The PO is such a juicy prize for them

they'll take over part of it, pay minimum wage and raise prices 5x!

Luckily times are against them and I think it's not too late to prevent them from destroying it

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #7)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:41 PM

24. Think of how many middle class fucking jobs they will take down sons a bitches.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #24)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:06 PM

109. And how many union members they'll be rid of!

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Response to summerschild (Reply #109)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:50 PM

139. You sound a little to excited to end that sentence in a preposition for my ass.

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Response to lonestarnot (Reply #139)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:33 PM

151. I'm retired Postal (with almost 33 years). For at least 25 of those years we lived with the

Republicans trying to privatize USPS. It didn't get much press, but it was relentless. Greed is only one motivator. Power is another.

I'm not sure how many employees they have right now but it was about 500,000 last time I saw a number - (second largest employer in the US). About 90% of Postal employees were union when I retired. So they want to bust the unions BAD. That, of course, is for political power.

Sorry if my post sounded "excited" in any kind of negative way against unions, because I fully support them.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:05 PM

8. The proposed change is to end Saturday mail -

- packages delivery will continue on Saturday per my understanding. The current plan will not impact packages.

If this doesn't fix things - and there is some thought that it won't - we may have to lose Saturday package delivery at some point. We'll just have to learn to wait that extra day and plan ahead when shopping online. If the buyer doesn't want to wait, let them absorb the additional in shipping price.

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Response to lynne (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:15 PM

17. this wan't even an issue until they made them start making prepayments

they are trying to bankrupt them so they can do away with the public institution.

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Response to lynne (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

31. package delivery will continue

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:06 PM

9. This change will keep it affordable.

 

And it will give mail carriers and postal workers a normal 5 day work week. Is that really so bad?

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:25 PM

20. It might do that for carriers but it won't for other workers

the post office will still be open on Saturday and mail will still move on Saturday it just won't be home delivered.

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:25 AM

49. Don't be naive

This is just the beginning of the end for the Post Office, as the repugs planned in 2006 when they forced the Post Office to fund their retirement plan for 75 years into the future — for employees not even hired yet, or even born yet for God's sake (5.5 billion a year the PO has to cough up). If not for that they wouldn't be going broke. It's all about privatizing it for UPS and FEDEX to get that business. And of course the repugs will continue to get their campaign contribution checks (and most likely some on the side in untraceable Swiss and Caymen Island accounts). And all those middle class jobs at the PO will dry up, but who cares in the good ol' GOP-Teaparty.

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Response to brush (Reply #49)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:44 AM

55. Sorry but I think that's kind of crazy.

 

The postal service is written into the constitution.

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Response to dkf (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:31 AM

75. But you do know that repugs the 2006 lameduck Congress . . .

. . . under Bush voted in the requirement that the Post Office pay into their retirement fund for workers 75 years into the future in 10 years (people who aren't even hired, or better yet, not even born yet). That's 5.5 billion a year. No other agency has to do such an outrageous thing and that's why the Post Office is going broke. Private business would spread such a funding requirement over 40 years. So even if it's written into the Constitution the Post Office can still go bankrupt if that 2006 law is not repealed. And then of course mail service will be privatized, which seems to be the aim of the 2006 law. FEDEX and UPS are salivating at the thought, and of course they will continue to write campaign fund checks to Issa and all the other repug reps and senators that vote to keep the 2006 law in place.

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Response to dkf (Reply #55)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:42 PM

138. Actually, the ability of Congress to "establish Post Offices and post roads"

is written into the Constitution (Article I, Section 8). Unfortunately, there is no mention of actually officially establishing a US Post Office, although one was established and existed until July 1, 1971, when it became the United States Postal Service.

It seems to me that the creation of the USPS was a back-door way to undermine the public postal system, as it put the system at the mercy of the market, rather than have it continue to exist as a non-profit public service. I also find it interesting that the postage rate for a 1st class letter only doubled over 35 years from 1933 to 1968 (going from 3 cents to 6 cents, in stages), but then went up to 8 cents on July 1, 1971 (the USPS's first official day of existence) and increased by a factor of 5 in the ensuing 35 years.

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:46 AM

64. The post office IS affordable!

They were fine until this pension funding craziness. Other businesses are permitted to gut their pensions at will, but the POST OFFICE?? Well, no. That cannot be allowed. And all this so some of the carriers can have a 5 day work week? They should accept lower and lower pay until eventually all their benefits and their jobs dry up?

This is the commons. We should not be forced to pay premium, private-company prices just to send correspondence and goods to our family, friends, and businesses.

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:42 AM

89. They work 5 days now...

Our Saturday delivery person is not the same who delivers Mon - Fri.

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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #89)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:28 AM

92. Bulk

Why don't bulk mail advertisers pay more. They benefit from low rates to come directly into your home and I can't even imagine the number of trees that are harvested to support the bulk mail industry. Make them pay first class rates!

The 75 year pension scam is just that-a way to privatize the USPS. I wonder if FED EX and UPS have to provide the same guarantee?

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Response to homegirl (Reply #92)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:56 PM

100. Bulk mail was the main source of profit for the postal service

until the economy collapsed. Advertisers are just not sending out as much as they used to. I used to have to empty my mailbox everyday before that...now I have days where there is no junk mail at all. If you raised the bulk mail rates, they would send out even less. The pension scam is at the heart of the problem now. I think we have to let our congress critters know that we re not happy.

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:41 AM

94. Actually, yes.

 

Business open on Saturday, still depend on the mail delivery - pick-up. Mail carriers hours/overtime will be cut. Jobs could be cut.

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Response to dkf (Reply #9)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:28 PM

124. We already have a five day work week

we just have a different day off every week.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:06 PM

10. gee maybe the head of our party could make a big deal about this.... yeah right nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:07 PM

12. What should people do to support the post office

And encourage congress to change the requirement of funding 75 years out?

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:08 PM

13. Just found this:

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:24 PM

19. Thank you!

Going to write my reps too. Can't hurt.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:09 PM

14. And just think what the big boys will charge when they no longer have to compete with the USPS.

Shudder. We'll have to pray that 3-D printing develops *real fast* because delivering things will be like the Pony Express and expensive.

We should be moving into more things in the commons being government-run, not breaking up one of our oldest and best public resources.

One might not care about the Post Office, but once it is gone, corporations will be emboldened to go after other public resources that we should care about.

edit: Petition! http://bit.ly/savesaturdaymail

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:13 PM

16. Great, I was looking for petitions nt

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:43 PM

27. Signed Sealed and Delivered!

thanks Starry Messenger

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:13 PM

15. Ed Just said the Post Office is one of the top employers of Veterans

we already know vets have a tougher time getting work.

i also wonder how much the private companies will raise their prices once they don't have USPS to compete with anymore.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:36 PM

22. It is, Obama used it as an example when he suggested

that government agencies start hiring more Vets as the PO does. And, I know it does from inside experience.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:38 PM

23. I love the Post Office. I read those

articles of its problems with sorrow.

Long Live The USPS!

Thanks flamingdem

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:42 PM

25. I'm truly tired of the argument, I've tried to educate on FB

every time they ask who needs the USPS and some fool says 'they're out 15 million in one year, get rid of them', I'm there telling them why they're out all that money and more.

Anyway, I love that the Postmaster is doing something (even though I'm against it, I'm afraid it will lead to carriers being fired). It shows that he knows that they want the USPS to have no recourse and it to spiral down until it they declare it has to be closed and privatized. I have a feeling he's trying to fight them the only way he knows how.

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:45 PM

29. check out the story on savethepostoffice web site

that says congress may not allow them to cut Saturday delivery - maybe a wakeup call?

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #29)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:39 AM

53. This is what I'm hoping, with deadline of August that gives them time

I'll check out the story.

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:58 PM

38. The best thing anyone can do for the USPS is vote the god damn tea party out of Congress.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:36 AM

52. Working on it, and also getting Congresspeople to try AGAIN

to get the post office money back where it belongs.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #38)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:43 AM

54. Yes, but note the article on savethepostoffice.com that says it started

with Reagan. Maybe he really is just a teapartier in the end!

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #54)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:08 AM

90. Who cares who it started with? Get rid of the god damned tea party and maybe we can fix it.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:04 PM

150. I'm for that- as long as we do not primary any centrist DEMS who voted for the pension requirement.

That would hardly be pragmatic- which is what those centrists were being when they voted for it in the 1st place.

Nothin' wrong with being pragmatic.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:43 PM

26. EVERYTHING is about ridding America of public institutions.

To the GOP that's what it's ALL about. Every move, every proposal for skiting sequestration... economic, social, political... it's all about ending public and government institutions that support Americans and hand it over to corporations and private ownership. This is more dangerous to democracy and freedom than even the GOP knows.

It's a war against all "under-moneyed" American citizens.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

30. Whatever you think of the post office, there are two things that should be remembered.

1. The post office is a constitutionally mandated service and
2. It can't be replaced by courier services or email. Email won't deliver the parcels you order and couriers cannot provide the breadth of service that the USPS does. In fact, couriers use the postal service to deliver in out of the way places.

It's nonsense.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #30)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:48 PM

33. But it can be hobbled, and made invisible

and pulled apart into pieces that can be privatized - if this continues

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Response to PDJane (Reply #30)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:32 AM

93. It's not only out-of-the-way places

In our suburb, where UPS and Fed-ex trucks pass by regularly, we've received numerous packages via the regular letter carrier that started out from the warehouse with one of the couriers. They both have programs for this kind of delivery, which apparently is cheaper for the sender.

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Response to dragonlady (Reply #93)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:45 PM

97. Both UPS and FedEx contract with USPS for ground delivery.

Even they know that USPS is cheaper and more efficient than they are.

In exchange USPS contracts with them for air cargo.

http://namebrandketchup.wordpress.com/2012/11/28/let-us-now-praise-the-united-states-postal-service/

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:47 PM

32. packages

 

it stated clearly that packages and medications WILL be delivered six days a week !

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Response to kardonb (Reply #32)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:21 AM

86. Which means carriers will still be on their routes,

Which means the trucks will still be out,

Which means mail processing in the plants will still happen (it would anyway),

Which means this decision means nothing.

REMEMBER, presort standard and FCM are still processed and delvered together. They have to be. The process itself leaves no possible option, because it can't.

So someone explain to me what this will solve, because as a plant employee, I. Dont. Get. It.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:50 PM

34. I use them in my photography business to ship 20-50 packages per month.

I guess I could pass the increased cost along to my customers but the post office just works as a key point in my workflow. It's a service I and my customers trust. There are post offices everywhere so even If I'm in the tiny one horse town I can get my product out. I would rather pay increased postage prices than lose the post office.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #34)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:02 AM

41. Do you send flats - images of photos?

Or other items? I was wondering how the mail is for packages like that for price and damage.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #41)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:09 AM

45. They're typically like hard cardboard envelopes. Most of the time 8x10 sized prints go in there,

but sometimes I'll ship larger. Personally I ship two package sizes typically. An envelope sized for 5x7 (my 4x6 prints go in these as well) and the larger I guess 9x12 envelopes. I stamp them "Do Not Bend" so they end up shipping at package price. Typically the 5x7 envelopes ship for under 2 bucks and the 8x10 size might weigh a couple ounces more so they're closer to $3.00. I have never in my 9 years doing business had one bent or lost. Might just be good luck, but I'm thinking it's a good product the usps has.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #45)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:15 AM

48. Am I too nosey

to ask what the pictures are (or a general idea)? It sounds like you found a good niche. Totally understand if it's not to be shared here but I've always wondered what is popular enough to be sold and shipped as often as you do. I know people who sell a couple of craft items in a month and more at the holidays but that's not very much. It's great to make that into a business but hard to know what people will purchase that way.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #48)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:25 AM

50. I'm working in a very niche segment of the equine photography "industry". I take very specific

photos of very specific types of horses in action. The in action part is the key. It probably took me a few years to develop the consistency to get a good handle on my technique. 5 years before I "mastered" it. My sales are considerably less in the winter though I do have some. Summertime is where I make the most use of the USPS. My costs are relatively high, the risks are high and the rewards seem to be ever shrinking, but I guess as far as making it, I've been able to maintain a modest income for a time. If I didn't have an employed wife subsidizing it with her job and her time working as my "sales" person It just wouldn't work.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:56 AM

57. That's really fascinating. That's a very niche niche

Not just equine, but specific and in action. It sounds like a very interesting art form. Thanks so much for sharing that because it gives me an idea of what might work. And realistic idea of how long it would take to develop the niche and the skill that others don't have.

I wish more stories like yours were featured in Post Office ads! They need some good promotion that includes small business people who rely on their service

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #50)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:13 AM

85. Yes, having been involved with showing horses of several performance types over the years,

I know it takes real skill to get good pictures of horses in action.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:51 PM

36. I would never call the Post Office "unnecessary"...

My daughter lives across the country, and every couple of months she mails me a handwritten letter. I treasure receiving each and every one. I would hate to lose that.

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Response to richmwill (Reply #36)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:01 AM

40. Aw, thank you

That's lovely. Email is not the same at all!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:04 AM

42. Rural communities (i.e. Republican voters) would be especially screwed by the loss of the USPS

They'll soon learn that the private companies won't find it profitable to serve them, at least not on a high-scale level.

And those are the same people that keep sending anti-Post Office politicians to Washington.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:06 AM

43. I support the post office!

they are the only shipping company that has gotten my money for the last 10 years

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:07 AM

44. I sent an Email to Buck McKeon

He's so far right he'll blow me off though.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #44)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:11 AM

46. But as said above they'll have to answer to rural constituents

who'll lose access because it's not profitable to put a ups or fedex there!

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:21 PM

152. You sent him

 

an e-mail Why a e-mail and not a first class letter?

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Response to CalFresh (Reply #152)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:25 PM

153. Out of work

And counting pennies.

Got a problem?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:27 AM

51. K&R

 

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:44 AM

56. Just think of the impact loss of the post office

would bring to those of us who vote by mail. The state would decide that UPS/FedX prices of $5 or more per envelope would be prohibitive and we would lose the right to vote by mail. Talk about long lines at the polling station! But that feeds into the GOP main objective of getting FEWER people voting. It just disgusts me that when the GOP can't win an election on its merits, it has to cheat and finagle to win. Aiming for the closure of the post office is just more of their efforts to stop people from exercising their right to vote.

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Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #56)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:00 AM

58. Good point, you know they drool over that!

They are so motivated to win but Ed did have a GOP rep on who is against the closure due to her rural constituents. We'll see if she survives voicing that opinion.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:01 AM

59. I'm a former rural letter carrier and a former United Parcel Service supervisor.

I believe I have a little insight here.In our local zip code area the Postal Service has 63 offices, UPS and Fed Ex one apiece. Saturday delivery needed to go. Every postal employee knows it, even if they won't admit it. But small town rural post offices are the real sink holes. The indirect subsidization of rural America through rural Post Offices will bring down the entire Postal system. The math is cold, but clear.

You can take the assine rules Congress makes the Post Office play by away, but if these tiny, unprofitable black holes remain they will suck the Postal Service dry.

Small towns squeal like stuck pigs when their Post Offices are threatened and claim the offices are the last bit of glue holding them together. Offer each of them the option of keeping the offices open through subsidization of the Postal facility with local property taxes. See how many towns take you up on this offer.

By all means get Congress and it's meddling out of the Postal Service's attempts to remain competitive, but do not think that these changes are not needed. Not if you really love and hope the Postal Service will continue to be a part of the fabric of America.

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Response to mikekohr (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:09 AM

60. Yes, but the Republican trick of forcing them to pre-fund retirement for 75 years

means that any creative changes - for instance internet in the Post Office and other items sold - cannot be put in place because the infrastructure is being pulled apart.

Saturday delivery to me is not the number one issue at all. I agree and notice it rarely happens much these days anyway. My complaint is that they are stripping the Post Office down when they are profitable but for the prefunding requirement.

In California there is basically a land grab on historic post offices and it's all a calculation and we the people are not consulted. Later the Post offices are pushed to the edge of town in unattractive buildings and seniors can't access them, etc. They are no longer the anchor of a town.

That is a problem worth solving as well as the problem of encroaching privatization and loss of good jobs.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #60)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:31 AM

62. Agreed, repeal that Repuke attack on the PO, it does not change the fact that

structural change is needed. Badly.

There is a famous saying from a former Senator, "It is easier to close a large military base than it is a small town Post Office."

True. But if these economically unfeasable facilities are not shuttered they will bring down one of America's greatest institutions.

I live and work in rural America. I'm not blind to the stark reality that the Post Office faces. And everyone of my former fellow Postal Workers has expressed these feelngs. We were well aware of it. 10 Years ago.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #60)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:35 AM

87. Flamingdem follow the money behind the CA land Grab it's

Senator Feienstien husband's Real Estate company. Sell the historic "paid for brick and granite offices"
and lease an unattractive metal building down the street. Stab you in the back profiteering dems are all
for the demolishing the post office.

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Response to bonniebgood (Reply #87)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:40 AM

88. I posted about that last night and could not believe

Blum was behind it. Arg. I'm furious about this because of the loss of these community anchors, WPA beautiful buildings ... sold to become Starbucks or worse...

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Response to mikekohr (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:20 AM

67. Liar n/t

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Response to BillyJack (Reply #67)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:41 AM

73. Fool n/t

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Response to mikekohr (Reply #59)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:39 PM

114. Sixty-Three post offices in one zip code? That doesn't sound rural to me

Where is this massive zip code with 63 offices? And how does it compare to other comparable zip codes, either by population or geography?

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Response to matt819 (Reply #114)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:21 PM

121. the 613-- zip code area in North Central Illinois

It consists roughly of all of LaSalle, Bureau, and Putnam counties and parts of Lee County, Henry County, Marshall County, and Livingston County. Rough population is 150,000 people. Bureau County is 867 square miles, LaSalle County 1148 square miles, Putnam is 172 square miles.

It is rural. I worked as a supervisor at United Parcel Service and our operating center in Peru, Illinois had the highest miles ran per route of any operating center in the North Illinois District, which was esentially the entire northern 1/3 of the state of Illinois.

I ran rural routes out of the Princeton and Spring Valley Post Offices in my 10 years with with the USPS.

link: http://www.payphone-project.com/mailboxes/zip_codes/first_three/613.html

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Response to mikekohr (Reply #121)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:01 PM

145. Okay, then

I'm not trying to be a pain, and you certainly have the experience.

But as a straight average, that comes to about 2500 people served per post office. That's the size of my town, and we have one post office. So I don't see that as a problem. If you took the same population in my area and reduced post offices, you'd end up with people having to drive dozens of miles to their post office. In the end, no one benefits. Look, I realize that this is a tremendous problem, but the whole thing is kind of third world-ish and really quite soul-eroding.

Sure, there can be some consolidation. The USPS floated that last year, and it didn't go over well, for the reasons I mentioned and tons of others.



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Response to matt819 (Reply #145)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 08:06 AM

148. And that's the problem, you want unprofitable offices to stay open and someone else to pay for them

Your area is probably like mine in that in that UPS and Fed Ex likely cover the same area with just one operating center.

Most of the small offices I'm talking about in my area serve villages with 50 to 500 people. Those villages are far better and more efficiently served by mobile post offices, namely Rural Letter Carriers. As towns get into the 1200 and up range it is far more likely that those offices are viable or needed to stay open regardless of whether they are profitable or not.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:13 AM

61. We don't use postal services as much as we used to.

There are some bills that are mailed and can't be paid online because that service is not offered. Our big sticking point is my husband's bi-weekly worker's comp check that's mailed. Some of the mail distribution service has already been shifted and his checks don't arrive on every other Thursday like they used to be. Sometimes the check doesn't get here until Saturday or the following Monday. Depending on when the bills are due that has added some stress when the check is late. The comp insurance company doesn't offer direct deposit or we would take that option.

Our niece works as a mail handler in an area distribution center that's slated to eventually close. She's in her late 40s and there are no jobs that pay as well or offer the benefits she has with the USPS around here.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:41 AM

63. DVDs are a bad example

Nobody will buy DVDs in 5 years - they will all be downloaded.

Same with CDs.

Once the rates increase for shipping books, even older readers will discover e-readers and tablets.

I agree that they are very efficient. Three days cross-country for < $0.50 is a helluva bargain. That said, the charge for this should have probably gone to $1 two or more years ago. Other than advertisers, who sends mail? Few actually write correspondence (birthday and holiday cards being exceptions). Bills generally come by e-mail. Magazines are going the way of the Do-Do.

Both the price of computers and internet service continues to drop.

I also agree that the attacks on the postal service are little more than a scheme to beak a strong, pro-Dem union. That said, the USPS is in the buggy whip business.

In 5-10 years, FedEx and UPS may very well move freight between cities by pilotless planes and driverless trucks. It's progress.

I'll miss the postal service when its gone, but its going.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:53 AM

65. Its a service, not a business

Our Postal Service is a marvelous example of how a service works, and why a service is often better than a business. The service has a remarkably extraordinary efficiency rate. Like all government services, the failures make headlines while smooth operations merit little notice. As for those "costly" small communities in rural America, those same post offices employ locals who add their pay checks into the local economy. Our postal service employs a high number of veterans, women and minorities. They earn a decent wage, provide a valuable service, and can retire with dignity. If Congress had to fund their own retirements for the next 75 years, maybe things would be different? I for one would be glad to raise the price of stamps in increments of 5 cents, and allow for a profit cushion, rather than tying the entire enterprise to a no-profit ceiling. Why the Democrats in Congress haven't made a bigger stink about this is hard to fathom? When Fox Noise rails against the postal service, the retort should be that conservatives don't want veterans to have jobs! To be anti-post office, is to be anti-American. We should be hiring more public servants and be proud of the work that they do.

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #65)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:16 PM

133. I find the Post Office to be very reliable the more I use it

Good point that people judge from one or two bad experiences, probably from 20 years ago.

Lately it's very well run.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:16 AM

66. I thought I read they'll still be doing package deliveries on Saturdays

but not junk mail/envelopes.

Is that not the case?

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:20 AM

68. Everyone talking about the price of postage has completely missed the point...

The USPS' dire financial situation is only partly due to its inability to raise rates commiserate to the price of fuel.

Their current situation has more to due with the fact they were ORDERED to fund benefits for all present and FUTURE employees ten years in advance. This cost them billions.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:13 AM

70. Parcel delivery continues to be six days a week

it's first class mail delivery that's been cut back (which means no regular mail route delivery on Saturdays; parcel deliveries are separate from regular postal routes anyway).

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:54 AM

71. They won't get away with this one because

The Post Office is in the Constitution.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:37 AM

72. True. But it is the never ending push to privatize anything and everything.

And what you are presenting as a virtue, some people see as legacy government entitlement.

First class delivery has always been, and will always be remembered as one helluva deal.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:34 AM

76. USPS is the second largest employer in the country

after Wal-Mart.

They run the biggest vehicle fleet in the world.

Are there people in this country who are so stupid that they don't think the loss of that will affect us all?

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Response to mac56 (Reply #76)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 10:13 AM

84. That's new to me, we should be hearing about this in the news nt

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Response to mac56 (Reply #98)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:18 PM

134. Good points, people don't know what we've got, the PO has been smeared

quoting:

To sum up: a unionized Federal workforce, whose productivity is at an all-time high, is among the world’s best examples of a real, modern, and affordable business. Imagine that. It must annoy the daylights out of Wisconsin governor Scott Walker and Michigan governor Rick Snyder.

So when you go to the post office this holiday season, and when you encounter your letter carrier, give them a big hello and thanks for their amazing service. You can even use my postage joke if you want. But don’t sing.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:43 AM

78. UPS and FedEx can raise their rates on a whim.

USPS requires Congressional approval.

Convince me that won't be an issue down the road.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:57 AM

79. I agree.

My dad just retired after 35 years as an Industrial Engineer for the post office. His job was to design new mail sorting facilities and maintain the one he was based at that covered the DC area. He also designed an anthrax sniffer for the DC area's sorting facilities. Believe it or not FedEX and UPS took tours of the US Postal Service sorting facilities years ago before they became household names. I've been to the sorting facilities many times and was hired by an automation magazine to take photos of the facility my dad worked at for an article on high tech automation systems. People take for granted what's involved in sending a letter across the country in 3 days.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:33 PM

96. I've never dissed the Post Office. They've always been good to me. nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:47 PM

99. The USPS uses U.S. airlines for its Express Mail and some Priority Mail

...so in a way, we/& the USPS are subsidizing the airlines. Even at "$1.35 ish" vs "4-10 x or more", it's got to be difficult for the post office's "air delivery" to compete with UPS or FedEx, who own their own fleets.

Although the link below is old, I'm guessing this contract has been renegotiated.

http://www.dmnews.com/usps-signs-new-contracts-with-airlines/article/92787/#

from the article: "The value of the contract for the seven airlines is approximately $225 million for USPS's 2007 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1, according to the US. Postal Service. The carriers will move First-Class Mail, Express Mail, some Priority Mail The previous contract with the USPS, executed in 2003, narrowed the number of carriers from 50 to 13 and instituted stringent requirements for the on-time delivery of mail by contracted carriers. The requirements were designed to increase efficiency and improve service."

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:04 PM

101. underlying the GOP attack on the USPS is a desire.....

...to crush the Postal Workers union. You can bank on that. It's driven entirely by union-busting rethugs in Congress who want to destroy a union, and thereby cow all unions into submission. Supporting the Post Office is supporting unions! We need to let Congress know that we support the Post Office and will oppose their efforts to destroy a constitutionally-created government service!

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:17 PM

102. i do ebay AND i send MISSIVES. i decided i am gonna write to an elderly relative

to my list of people to write. she had to move, tho she is near her oldest son. but she lost her husband. my mom does snail mail. nothing like a personal snail mail.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:59 PM

106. Some of what they do

If the USPS ends up going away, who will deliver all the crap we get at election time, who will ride a donkey into the Grand Canyon to deliver mail, who will use a snowmobile to deliver mail into the wilds of Alaska. Who will deliver all those great catalogs we get during the holidays, who will deliver all the tax information in January, who will deliver my meds!! Many people have no contact without the USPS. Write to congress and tell them hands off, give the USPS their money back you stole.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:26 PM

107. K&R nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 03:54 PM

110. I really need and ask that everything use it. The other prices are out of many people's reach.

If the GOP gets away with this odious national privatization scheme, it's going to destroy more than people can imagine.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:19 PM

112. I really think a DVD is now $5.05 unless I did something wrong when I checked out USPS.

I usually ship directly through Etsy or Paypal but I wanted to check the rates so I went to USPS and made like I was going to ship a package. From 0-5 ounces for a package it was $5.05. Usually when I am shipping something it says for a package or thick envelope but this just said package and did not say anything about envelope. I use the large bubble mailers that you could mail a DVD in.

I might go check around and see what they are shipping for.

This really blows.

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #112)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:41 PM

115. It's 1.53 for the slim case anywhere in the USA nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 04:38 PM

113. I've argued supporting the Post Office . . .

with too many people here in Orange County, CA. that I've pulled out
just about what little hair I have left.

They don't mention anything about the pension, instead their view
is that privatizing the Postal Service means that corporations would
fight over your dollar, which creates competition which creates
lower prices.

The one thing I would like to find out, is
how many postal workers voted republican?

There has to be current and former postal workers on this site,
that have worked with RW MORANS.

Those RW MORANS postal workers deserve everything
they're getting. Unfortunately, they're dragging the rest of their
coworkers with them. And those are the ones I feel sorry for.

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:21 AM

147. Privatizing it would not make it cheaper. They would just make it a little cheaper than Fed-ed and

UPS. Right now they are a lot cheaper than Fed-Ex and UPS. But turn them into a profit based corporation and they are going to raised the prices to make a profit but keep them right below the leading competitor.

We need the post office as it is.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 06:19 PM

120. Corporate greed, political compliance, and and ignorant populace.

That's why the PO is in trouble.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:21 PM

122. K&R

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:25 PM

123. At least our top leaders-Obama, Reid and Pelosi are not apathetic about it.

They are kicking ass and taking names on this like no other.

I'm more than happy to post all the links and you tubes as soon as I find 'em.

The folks at DU who are apathetic are clearly out of touch with our Party leadership.

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Response to Dr Fate (Reply #123)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:08 PM

130. Also, the DEM congress that followed the lame-duck GOP congress TRIED to repeal the pension rqmt.

But if they had tried too hard, George Bush Jr. or FOX News would have sent them anthrax. If not that, then they would have said all kinds of mean things about them. Even worse.

Also, ZERO Democrats signed their names to the GOP lame duck bill that is currently destroying the UPS, and ZERO DEMS voted for it. That has to be the way I remember it. Any counter narrative makes no sense.

Besides, the DEM congress that followed that lame Duck GOP congress didnt have the votes to repeal the pension requirements that they clearly opposed. All the GOP's fault. Same reason why they cant do it now, or later. At least we can save the non-talking filibuster for ourselves though.

One group we cant call apathetic are the clear-eyed, pragmatic centrist DEMS who fought AND CONTINUE TO FIGHT their mortal enemies, the GOP on this.

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Response to Dr Fate (Reply #130)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:20 PM

135. Can they get past the house?

Sounds like Pelosi and Obama have a plan

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #135)

Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:01 PM

149. They did not, do not, will not have the votes for that. The important thing is that they tried.

And that they have an excuse.

Then again, I've heard on DU that public wants us to make a better effort to work with the GOP, and this is issue is as good as any. Looks like we are off to a good start- we can work with them by letting things stand the way they are.

I'm easy either way.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:35 PM

125. rec

I work to defend the USPS!!!

v v v v v

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #125)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:21 PM

136. oooh I likey your signature logo!

will have to use that too

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #136)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:29 PM

137. please do!!

and remember...



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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:41 PM

126. They are not cutting package delivery days... just first class mail.

I think most of us can survive with one less day of junk mail in our mail boxes.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #126)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:51 PM

127. You are missing the point entirely.

Or maybe you work for FedEx.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #127)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:04 PM

129. more likely you are a usps saturday junk mail delivery boy.

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Response to DCBob (Reply #129)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:55 PM

140. neener neener neener

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Response to DCBob (Reply #126)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 07:58 PM

128. Or those pesky ebay packages and netflix movies.

nt

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 08:10 PM

131. UPS and Fedex do not deliver to PO boxes

so you have to use the USPS. Also, I have ordered a few things from the net recently only to find that Fedex delivered my packages to my local USPS to do the final delivery and all this is done at on charge. Go figure.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 09:15 PM

142. Once the Post Office goes, you can expect to pay a lot more to send a letter or package.

Assuming these companies would even bother to bring the mail to rural or areas they can't be bothered to service.

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Response to flamingdem (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 11:40 PM

146. The Rethugs and many others

who don't understand the purpose of have a postal service are idiots.
And most likely raging hypocrites.

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