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Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:18 PM

Was Lincoln wrong not to place every confederate soldier under arrest,

instead of just killing them by the tens of thousands without a trial?

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Reply Was Lincoln wrong not to place every confederate soldier under arrest, (Original post)
arely staircase Feb 2013 OP
Agschmid Feb 2013 #1
arely staircase Feb 2013 #10
Agschmid Feb 2013 #15
enlightenment Feb 2013 #18
arely staircase Feb 2013 #22
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #2
Agschmid Feb 2013 #3
Bucky Feb 2013 #19
sibelian Feb 2013 #4
FSogol Feb 2013 #5
hrmjustin Feb 2013 #9
nolabear Feb 2013 #6
libtodeath Feb 2013 #7
HockeyMom Feb 2013 #8
arely staircase Feb 2013 #12
Boomerproud Feb 2013 #11
arely staircase Feb 2013 #14
cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #13
DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #16
arely staircase Feb 2013 #17
Marr Feb 2013 #20
Bucky Feb 2013 #21

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

1. So this is you relating The Civil War to drones?

Is this really something that can be considered equivalent?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #1)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:30 PM

10. i'm talking about the executive branch of the federal government killing americans without a trial

if that is evocative to you of drones, you would not be alone.

ďAs I and ten other senators told the President yesterday, if individual Americans choose to take up arms against the United States, there will clearly be some circumstances in which the President has the authority to use lethal force against those Americans, just as President Lincoln had the authority to use force against the Confederate Army during the Civil War..."Sen. Ron Wyden

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:38 PM

15. Still don't understand your OP, or the post above. n/t

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #10)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:44 PM

18. Sen. Wyden was showing his lack of understanding.

The Southern states succeeded from the Union. They created their own country - "The Confederate States of America" - with a government, a president, and currency.

Lincoln did not authorize force against citizens of the United States of America. He went to war with another nation.

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Response to enlightenment (Reply #18)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 01:55 PM

22. Lincoln and the US government did not recognize them as anything but US citizens

As far as the US government was concerned there was no such thing as the CSA only states in rebellion whose US citizens were fair game for killing if they raised arms against the United States.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

2. I lost three IQ points just reading that OP. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

3. Me too. n/t

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:46 PM

19. Don't worry. I found 'em in the trash and I'm sending in the Duke boys to return them points to ya

Yeeeeeeee--haaawwww!!

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:19 PM

4. Had he rounded them up and put them in gas chambers


Would that really have been any worse?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:20 PM

5. Woot! For the Drone-ish win!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:26 PM

9. I guess you were right about these posts today.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:21 PM

6. OFFS

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:22 PM

7. What the?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:25 PM

8. He wanted to heal the nation and bring it back together.

and arresting and killing all the confederate soldiers would have only exasperated the situation. Whether it worked, after all this time, is subject to debate.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #8)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:36 PM

12. no i mean instead of killing them on the battlefield

not afterwards. all of the men in the confederate army? why not arest them and give them their day in courst instead of slaughtering them in fields?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:33 PM

11. The soldiers killing them by the tens of thousands

were also killed by the tens of thousands. Please respond to any post regarding what your OP is about.

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Response to Boomerproud (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:38 PM

14. now we may be getting somewhere

so it was ok for the government to kill americans without a trial in this case because why?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:37 PM

13. The Union and Confederacy should have joined forces to fight this Giant Straw Man

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 06:59 PM

16. My God, you're right!

He should have declared them all under arrest. Then he would have had to send the Union army into the field to disarm and arrest them all.

And then ...

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #16)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:40 PM

17. precicely

just as Pres. Obama should have with the likes of Mr. al-Awlaki when he took up arms against the United States.

Standing in a Virginia field with a rifle or putting guys with c-4 in their undies on planes, both, when part of an organized, declared and engaged war on the United States, qualify you for a government killing. Fair or not. Them's the rules.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:47 PM

20. Probably the stupidest analogy yet. Congratulations.

You've had some stiff competition today in the race to excuse the inexcusable.

I suggest you just wait for the official talking points to arrive and stop trying to freestyle.

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 07:51 PM

21. While Harry Truman was using his kung fu to disarm those Puerto Rican assassins in 1950...

he showed that all violent conflicts can be peacefully resolved. If Obama could only be more like Truman, we'd have no more terrorist problems and we start using all those drones for just babysitting orphans.


























Instead, he's all like...













Yeeeeeee-hawwww!!

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