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Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:14 PM

What happened to the love DU had for Anonymous?

Has the mainstream effort to marginalize them been that effective?

I could ask the same about Julian Assange, OWS.

What has changed? DU was once alight with support for these groups.

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Reply What happened to the love DU had for Anonymous? (Original post)
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 OP
rbixby Feb 2013 #1
JDPriestly Feb 2013 #2
wildeyed Feb 2013 #3
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #6
Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #16
librabear Feb 2013 #4
Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #10
Marrah_G Feb 2013 #5
Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #9
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #7
starroute Feb 2013 #8
datasuspect Feb 2013 #11
randome Feb 2013 #12
datasuspect Feb 2013 #18
randome Feb 2013 #19
Earth_First Feb 2013 #13
Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #14
IcyPeas Feb 2013 #15
Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #17
Scuba Feb 2013 #20
mwrguy Feb 2013 #21

Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:21 PM

1. Good question

I think that their extralegal tactics kind of soured things around here.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:46 PM

2. I sympathize with people who struggle against the excessive secrecy of our government, but

if they violate the law, they know they will probably pay a price.

Assange was not especially targeting the US government. He just went for secrecy. I don't think they have evidence that he really did anything other than publish information that was provided to him by others including whistleblowers.

As for Anonymous, they aren't well defined. It's hard to have an attitude toward Anonymous.
Seems to be some sort of amorphous non-group of individuals doing various things.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:51 PM

3. I soured on OWS when I saw them in person at the DNC.

They appeared to be a bunch of mean drunks with hated for everyone. They snarled traffic for no reason and then insulted the people standing around waiting for them to move so we could get where we were going. I was extremely supportive of OWS at the start, but sadly my personal interaction with them was not positive.

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #3)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:54 PM

6. That's not what I saw in Boston

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #6)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:24 PM

16. That's not what I saw in Springfield MO. either. n/t

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:52 PM

4. The people here aren't liberals.

 

They're just anti-republicans.

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Response to librabear (Reply #4)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:17 PM

10. Speak for yourself about not being libaral. n/t

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:54 PM

5. I'm still a supporter of all three

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #5)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:16 PM

9. +1 n/t

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:05 PM

7. Anonymous is a concept. OWS is irrelevant. And Assange is a conceited asshole. nt

 

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:08 PM

8. Not having spokespeople is a two-edged sword

It means there are no leaders for the government to take out, but it also means that anybody who claims to speak for OWS or Anonymous can't be disavowed. That means that any obnoxious loudmouth who says things the national media will love to jump on can be painted as a de facto representative of the movement.

In addition, Anonymous has been disrupted by the many arrests of active hackers, even though they claim they haven't.

And OWS seems to have moved away from public protest and into community organizing -- everything from Occupy Sandy to Occupy the NRA. They're actively working on issues like debt and foreclosure, but they a lot less visible.

I think OWS, or some mutation of it, is going to come back round in a variety of forms. But at the moment, they're at a low ebb -- and DU, which does tend to chase the shiniest targets, reflects that.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:18 PM

11. repression of left wing populist movements

 

is of paramount importance to pigfuckers everywhere.

the greasy wheels of paid disruptors, trolls, and rw media influence thrive here and everywhere else.

DU is NOT a hotbed of left wing populist movement ideology.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:19 PM

12. Then perhaps you should find another forum that values your overuse of the word 'pigfuckers'.

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Response to randome (Reply #12)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:26 PM

18. that's just my shorthand terminology

 

you could just ignore me. please feel free to do so.

on edit:

what is it about left wing populist movements that is so repellent to you?

do you prefer the state sanctioned right wing populist movements like the Tea Party?

pick a side.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #18)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:30 PM

19. I will never have anyone on Ignore. I think that's the easy way out.

And I don't have a problem with populist movements at all. I just wish the ones we saw last year were a little more effective.

OWS fell apart because, like the GOP, no one was in charge.
Anonymous has been wrong at times, as when they mistakenly identified the wrong person as a pedophile.
And of course there was that ridiculous assertion that they saved us from Carl Rove during the election. Juvenile stuff.
And Assange truly is a narcissist, that's just my view of his actions.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:19 PM

13. That's gonna leave a mark!

+1

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #11)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:22 PM

14. That being said...

There are some members here that are big backers of such things as OWS.

So let's not alienate those/us that do.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:22 PM

15. Julian Assange will be on Bill Maher this Friday

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Response to IcyPeas (Reply #15)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:25 PM

17. Thanks for the tip

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:50 PM

20. Still here.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:53 PM

21. Anonymous appears to have been taken over by libertarians

They do a few good things, but lately it seems like they just want to wreck government.

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