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Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:50 AM

How Is THIS Ok? Texas man guns down couple over dog poop on his porch



An elderly man, apparently angry about dog droppings outside his apartment, is accused of fatally shooting a mother of five children and her fiancé Monday.

Dallas police said 75-year-old Chung Kim shot his neighbor from below her balcony, went upstairs to her apartment and shot her fiancé, who tumbled over a patio railing and fell to the ground.

Kim then went back outside, stood over the fiancé and shot him again, police said.

“I never expected this,” said Michael Issa, who lives next door to Kim. “I went outside for a cigarette, and I heard shots. Someone yelled. ‘Look up!’ And I looked up and I saw feet hanging over the balcony. … I just feel bad for the kids; they have no more parents.”

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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20130204-dallas-police-say-elderly-man-apparently-killed-couple-over-dog-droppings.ece

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Reply How Is THIS Ok? Texas man guns down couple over dog poop on his porch (Original post)
kpete Feb 2013 OP
RevStPatrick Feb 2013 #1
onehandle Feb 2013 #2
Catherina Feb 2013 #3
appleannie1 Feb 2013 #7
RC Feb 2013 #9
Catherina Feb 2013 #12
RC Feb 2013 #23
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #25
Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #22
RC Feb 2013 #24
Chorophyll Feb 2013 #19
proud2BlibKansan Feb 2013 #28
FredStembottom Feb 2013 #36
Zoeisright Feb 2013 #37
booley Feb 2013 #39
timdog44 Feb 2013 #45
laundry_queen Feb 2013 #47
quinnox Feb 2013 #4
tosh Feb 2013 #18
Ian Iam Feb 2013 #42
appleannie1 Feb 2013 #5
City Lights Feb 2013 #6
jberryhill Feb 2013 #8
kentauros Feb 2013 #11
jberryhill Feb 2013 #20
LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #10
Catherina Feb 2013 #14
SWTORFanatic Feb 2013 #29
cthulu2016 Feb 2013 #13
Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #15
baldguy Feb 2013 #44
LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #16
slackmaster Feb 2013 #17
jberryhill Feb 2013 #21
temporary311 Feb 2013 #27
temporary311 Feb 2013 #26
Taverner Feb 2013 #30
Pholus Feb 2013 #31
mikeysnot Feb 2013 #32
kudzu22 Feb 2013 #33
donco Feb 2013 #34
noiretextatique Feb 2013 #35
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #38
moondust Feb 2013 #40
LeftInTX Feb 2013 #41
galileoreloaded Feb 2013 #43
baldguy Feb 2013 #46
Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #48

Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:52 AM

1. Who said it's OK?

 

Clearly, this sucks...

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:57 AM

2. Just doin' what guns do best. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:59 AM

3. who said that's ok? But how is it ok to dump dog shit on your neighbor's front door and patio

for months?

I feel awful for the children and the dog but "an ongoing dispute about the couple dumping their dog’s feces on Kim’s patio and front door"? (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/dallas-police-investigating-double-homicide-at-apartment-complex-on-abrams-road-near-northwest-highway.html/) That's unacceptable and I can understand someone totally losing it. What dumb, disrespectful people.

From other stories, before they got the dog 9 months before, they all got along with so well that Kim babysat their children. They guy complained to them and to the management many times asking them to stop. They wouldn't and he snapped.

Dumb fucks. If you can't walk your dogs and properly care for them, that includes their bodily needs, don't have one.

I don't condone this at all, it's appalling, but you can't push people like that. You can't disrespect them and push them until they snap and expect roses. Just like constantly dropping bombs on people and expecting them to love you.

This story makes me so angry. More orphans.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:03 AM

7. I agree but call the health dept. or someone.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:11 AM

9. Happened to me.

 

I was not a happy camper. They were above me, on the 3rd floor, and used hot water in sub-zero weather to wash their deck down. Guess where it went? The people below me got it even worse, as they had a concrete slab.
Oh, and they were gun nutz, too. The apartment manager referred to them as the tenants from hell.

http://rc.smugmug.com/Other/Dog-Piss/26130107_3PTXWB#!i=2171735486&k=wRJ8L8f

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Response to RC (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:31 AM

12. Ugh, I can smell it from here just looking at your pictures

I go nuts from the odor if one of my rescues pees in the house. I'm still fighting to get the odor out of one of my carpets. I can't imagine if someone had been deliberately dumping that, and poop, in my personal space.

When I was about 9,one of our neighbors would walk their dog and have it poop on in our yard. After she refused to stop, my mom would have me bag it up, ring her doorbell and return it to her front porch.

She got mad at me, a 9 year old child and threatened to call the police on me. We kept returning it her "possessions" and she finally stopped.

Too many people have no respect for other people and their personal space, much less for themselves.

How can you have a dog urinating and pooping on the porch (at least I hope it was outside on the porch) of a small apartment with 5 kids? It's because of people like this that more and more apartment complexes forbid pets. I actually feel sorry for Mr Kim because he snapped. What's the couple's excuse? Being just plain jerks?

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Response to Catherina (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:51 AM

23. I forgot to mention that they had two dogs and neither were apartment dogs.

 

One was a black setter and the other a slightly smaller, stocky something or other.
When I moved in, the apartments were advertised as Pets Free. That changed on day without any notification to the tenants.
Suddenly the place exploded with "Service" animals. Even had a few dog piles in the hallways. Way too many people though they needed a "Service Animal". Yapping dogs, inside and out. Dog piles in the grass where the kids played.
Management never did get things under control after that, even with evictions.

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Response to RC (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:04 PM

25. The complex I live at had a pets policy when we first moved

Why the parrots were grand fathered when they went no pets.

Then things got interesting. One of the neighbors was a cop and selected as a K-9 handler. That dog is not just a service dog, but an officer. (Did I mention extremely well behaved). Under California law on two counts the home owners should have looked the other way, especially since he was an owner in the condo complex, one of the early ones.

Nope, the idiots went to court and lost badly. Joe shmo of the local cheap law firm went against the DA office.

So what was the lesson? Nope, it wasn't we make obvious exceptions for service dogs. Since a couple neighbors who are wheelchair bound have gotten them, and those dogs are a blessing to them. Nope, they went back to the original policy.

We have no issues with dog poop for the most part. Oh and the cop and police dog, they sold and moved on.

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Response to RC (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:43 AM

22. holy damn...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:54 AM

24. In the Spring, the management got a steam carpet clearer company to go over the affected decks.

 

Between that and the normal weather, the decks were useable again.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:40 AM

19. No amount of dogshit justifies this.

Sorry, but no. The guy knows this couple has five kids. Shoots them anyway. Faces capital murder charges.

So the score is two dead adults, one senior citizen put away for whatever time he has left, and five kids now possibly being put into the "system."

For dog shit.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:15 PM

28. So this idiot is going to spend the rest of his life in prison over dog poop?

Really??

This is worth getting this angry over?

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:56 PM

36. He wiped that story from the face of the Earth when he murdered them.

That story, those reasons are gone now.

The act is so utterly unjustifiable it's the same as if the poo vandalism never happened.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:37 PM

37. You are equating dumping feces on someone's porch with murder?

Christ on a crutch. That's sick.

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Response to Catherina (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:52 PM

39. but that's kind of the problem, isn't it?

Lets say the couple were a holes. who did really awful things. I can relate. I have had to deal with a hole neighbors doing really awful things lots of times.

And such people made me incredibly angry. One time one guy came what looked to me really close to touching my boy friend during a fight and i went berserk and almost pounded the guy against a wall.

I didn't. I stopped myself just in time. I realized I was going too far.

But if I had a gun and the anger to use it, then yes I could have shot the guy in the time it took me to calm down.

There are a lot of people who take a lot longer to calm down then I do and are set off a lot more easily.

And that's the problem, isn't it? Guns make ANY situation potentially lethal. Potentially instantly lethal in a way that few other objects can.

The motive behind most gun homicides are not crimes like robbery or rape. The most common motive are disputes.

I think the point of the OP is that gun apologists keep down playing this fact and distracting from it and trying to make the conversation about anything but how easy it is to kill if you have a gun in your hand.

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Response to booley (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:42 PM

45. I think you hit the nail on the head.

Some people get upset quicker than others over the same situations. And If they own a gun and don't quiet down as quick as they got it up, who knows what will happen. I have situations, especially while driving, where I see someone taking my life in their hands that I am glad I have made the decision to not be a concealed gun carrier. And this is something that would not necessarily show up in a screening of my mental status.

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Response to booley (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:48 PM

47. Bingo. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:59 AM

4. Texas, its a whole 'nother country

 

(For those who don't know, that was the slogan to generate tourism for the state of Texas in commercials, not sure if it still is used though)

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Response to quinnox (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:39 AM

18. Kinda like:

"Florida: The rules are different here"

Bwahaha! Bring on the CRAZIES! We need MORE!!

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Response to quinnox (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:12 PM

42. Perhaps it should be

 

Maybe you should let them do what various of their officials seem incessantly to be threatening.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:00 AM

5. The US has gone gun crazy

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:00 AM

6. It's not okay.

We live in a very violent society.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:04 AM

8. TX is not OK

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:23 AM

11. Yes, Texas is not Oklahoma.

Two different words.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:40 AM

20. The OP aksed why it was OK, but it was TX instead

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:15 AM

10. The dog owners were jerks and so is the elderly man.

The man should had complained to apartment management. Apartment management should had either told the couple to stop, tell them to remove the dog, or evict them.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:35 AM

14. According to other stories, he did complain

According to The Dallas Morning News, Chung Kim had repeatedly complained to management at Sable Ridge Apartments that Michelle Jackson and Jamie Stafford, who lived above him, had dumped dog feces on his porch and allowed their dog, Selena, to urinate on the upstairs balcony which dripped down to his patio.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/05/texas-man-guns-down-couple-over-dog-poop-on-his-porch/


I agree with you, Management shouldn't have let this go on.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #10)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:17 PM

29. Shooting someone is more than just being a jerk

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:32 AM

13. List of people who have said this is OK?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:36 AM

15. Is this what our "pro-gun progressives"* mean by "an armed society is a polite society"?

*

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:41 PM

44. This is exactly what they mean.

Idiots with guns, fearful people being real polite to them, and cemeteries for those who aren't.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:36 AM

16. Obviously more guns were needed in this situation

If that dog-poop couple had had guns, they could have fired back at the neighbor below. Or maybe the dog should have had it's own gun, and blown away anybody who tried to make it poop somewhere it didn't feel like pooping.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:39 AM

17. Mean, dumb, and inconsiderate of others is no way to go through life

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:41 AM

21. I'll bet he doesn't get any more dog poop on the porch


So, problem solved, as far as that aspect is concerned.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:12 PM

27. Of course, prison cells dont usually have porches.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:19 PM

30. Stand your ground

 

The poop was clearly intimidating to the shooter

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:21 PM

31. On Feb 3, the shooter was probably a "Responsible Gun Owner"


They usually are, until they're not. Then it is too late.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:21 PM

32. Brings a whole new meaning to

DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:23 PM

33. Unless it was self-defense, and I don't see how it could be.....

not even remotely OK.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:19 PM

34. Ole man spends the rest

of his life in the can. children are orphans and the dogs get gassed.Lose, lose, all around.



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:24 PM

35. guns don't kill people

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:50 PM

38. The temptation at this stage will be to blame the *real* victim here: the precious gun.

We must resist that temptation. This incident calls yet again for more guns on America's streets, not less. More guns in more hands in more places at all times is always the answer to any act of violence in which a precious gun is used.

Man, I hope that innocent gun is getting counseling for the trauma it's been put through, and a good oil bath cleaning afterwards to soothe it's jangled nerves.




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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:59 PM

40. The holy guns work in mysterious ways.

Lettuce prey and give tanks, Gunlandians.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:05 PM

41. He could have fired warning shots or blanks to scare the couple

Then, the police could have then gotten involved in the dispute before it came to this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:26 PM

43. Why are the Baby Boomers killing people?

 

it's weird. I don't trust em.

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Response to galileoreloaded (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:45 PM

46. Don't trust anyone over, um (counts fingers) 50.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:50 PM

48. I'm beginning to think most the people who own guns don't have the intelligence or

the psychic to be responsible gun owners.

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