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RainDog Feb 2013 OP
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #1
RainDog Feb 2013 #2
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #3
RainDog Feb 2013 #5
cali Feb 2013 #17
Gman Feb 2013 #25
davidn3600 Feb 2013 #4
RainDog Feb 2013 #6
idwiyo Feb 2013 #7
RainDog Feb 2013 #8
idwiyo Feb 2013 #14
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #9
RainDog Feb 2013 #13
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #15
RainDog Feb 2013 #19
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #22
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #23
RainDog Feb 2013 #24
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #28
quinnox Feb 2013 #10
Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #11
libtodeath Feb 2013 #12
cali Feb 2013 #16
cali Feb 2013 #18
RainDog Feb 2013 #21
Burma Jones Feb 2013 #20
forestpath Feb 2013 #26
badtoworse Feb 2013 #27
RainDog Feb 2013 #29

Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:56 AM

1. Should DU?

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:58 AM

2. With organizations that track right wing groups

Like the Southern Poverty Law Center.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:03 AM

3. you need a new hobby.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:06 AM

5. So you're okay with this group then.

I would love to hear you say that to an African-American asking about the Klan, which was a perfectly acceptable organization for white Protestants for decades.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:36 AM

17. Should Islam be classified as a hate group.

In quite a few Islamic countries women are treated as chattel.

Oh, and the answer to that is a resounding NO.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:05 AM

4. What about Islam?

Muslims dont exactly have a stellar record with women either.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:09 AM

6. If its leaders codify misogyny, yes.

And you notice we don't allow the Wahabbists to determine treatment of females in the U.S.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:10 AM

7. Add to it: rabidly homophobic. My answer is Yes, it is a hate group.

Any group that keeps spreading and promoting bigotry, homophobia, racism, misogyny, etc. is a hate group. Hiding behind "but these are religious beliefs" is not an excuse.

Of course all the above applies to ANY and ALL organisation.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:14 AM

8. I would also classify the Southern Baptist Convention as a hate group

based upon their misogyny and their torture of homosexuals by their "conversion therapy."

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Response to RainDog (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:31 AM

14. ALL and ANY of them that preach bigotry, misogyny, homophobia, racism, etc.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:21 AM

9. What a nuanced position. Certainly evidences an understanding of the complexity

of the Modern Catholic Church. While you are at it, don't you think you should codify the Mormons, Southern Baptists and Jews as hate groups for their own sins?

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:30 AM

13. I'm sick of those who try to count the angels dancing on pinheads

There's nothing nuanced about an organization that has made a concerted effort to deny females around the world basic health care.

Spare me your justifications.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:32 AM

15. I'm sorry I thought this was a discussion board. Not an assertion board.

But go ahead and enjoy your broad-brush bigoted attacks.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:41 AM

19. well, please provide your justifications for those things I mentioned then

what's your nuanced take on excommunicating a priest who helped a 9 year-old who had been raped by her stepfather, while that step -father was not excommunicated because the church leaders viewed abortion as a more heinous crime than a parent raping and impregnating a child.

please. share with me your great, nuanced appreciation of that position.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:44 AM

22. That particular action is indefensible. But that's not the only thing the Catholic Church

or Catholics have done.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:45 AM

23. Speaking of nuance, the OP speaks of the organization, and you respond with words about people.

You should perhaps spoken of the organizations as well? The OP is not about 'Catholics' it is about the RCC.
The organization does and says horrid things. They get to attack my family endlessly, but no response is allowed? Why? Because they are a club? Because they are rich? Why?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:46 AM

24. Thank you

I've tried to generally ignore those who have taken that route here.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:51 AM

28. Where did I say that no response is allowed?

The OP wants the Catholic Church classified as a hate group - along with, presumably, other religious organization who take positions he or she doesn't like - that's a pretty big step above criticism.

Bryant

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:26 AM

10. I'm not sure what that would accomplish

 

So even if you designated them a hate group, so what? That wouldn't stop the church or the millions of followers of that particular branch of Christianity. Catholic denomination is huge. Gigantic even, millions upon millions. Most Catholics probably wouldn't care, if they even heard the obscure news item of their denomination being designated a hate group in the first place.

If you really want to go big, have all Christianity designated as a hate group. Now that would get attention.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:28 AM

11. Give me Joe Biden over Ahmadinejad any day (nt)

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:29 AM

12. Truth be told all religion advances itself based on hate in my opinion.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:33 AM

16. No, and this is a truly dumb suggestion.

Classified by who? And there have been and are great Catholics doing great work. I may not think much of organized religion, but this is just ridiculous.

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:39 AM

18. with this stupendously silly suggestion of yours, The Kennedy family

Joe Biden, Justice Sonia Sotomayor and Senator Patrick Leahy, among other prominent liberals, would be classified as members of a hate group. Brilliant, honey.

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Response to cali (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:44 AM

21. Democrats had to kowtow to the Klan to get elected earlier in the 20th c.

Just because an organization is powerful does not make it good.

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Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:49 AM

26. Any religion based on bigotry should be.

 

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:49 AM

27. No. The idea is ridiculous

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Response to RainDog (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:56 AM

29. I'm going to delete this

because it makes me sick to see people here who think codified misogyny is a-okay if rich white men are in charge of it.

To those who insulted me - thank you.

Here's the op

Should the Catholic Church be classified as a hate group?

Any group that forces girls into slavery (as in Ireland), refuses to fund health care for females but will do so for males, that said it was worse for a 9 year old girl to have an abortion than it was for her stepfather to rape her...

I don't see how that group has anything worthwhile to offer the world.

The message they bring to the world is one of misogyny and hatred for half the population.

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