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Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:09 AM

 

How feasible is it to have dogs examine the residence of Ineligible people for guns?

http://www.eswda.org/certifications/firearmsdetection.html

FIREARMS DETECTION TEST

This test will determine the proficiency and reliability of dogs in the detection of firearms and related odors.

All canine teams must be tested on FOUR out of the five basic odors. The basic odors to be tested on are:

Firearms (cleaned and recently fired) *Required Scent
Magazines (loaded and empty) *Required Scent
Shells (brass and shotgun) *Required Scent
Gun Powders- both black and smokeless
Shell casings (which are empty and have been previously discharged)

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Reply How feasible is it to have dogs examine the residence of Ineligible people for guns? (Original post)
dkf Feb 2013 OP
Niceguy1 Feb 2013 #1
Mojorabbit Feb 2013 #3
dkf Feb 2013 #7
dtom67 Feb 2013 #11
quaker bill Feb 2013 #12
tjnite Feb 2013 #13
Dreamer Tatum Feb 2013 #2
Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #4
Jenoch Feb 2013 #6
pipoman Feb 2013 #5
Iggo Feb 2013 #8
dkf Feb 2013 #9
kelly1mm Feb 2013 #10
cali Feb 2013 #14
SpartanDem Feb 2013 #15

Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:16 AM

1. Unresonable

search and seizure. That would be a big step to a police state where we have no rights at all.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:24 AM

3. Yep. nt

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:44 AM

7. So if a person is deemed to be a danger to society, how do you get their guns away from them?

 

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Response to dkf (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:12 AM

11. I deem you to be a danger to society...

The dogs will be at your house shortly.

Oh, I'm not the one who will evaluate citizens' right to be free?

This stuff seems cute to post, until you realize that it could be applied to yourself.

That why we used to have Rights ...

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Response to dtom67 (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:46 AM

12. you confuse freedom with owning a gun

two very different things. One can be fully free without owning an object.

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Response to Niceguy1 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:48 AM

13. Slowly eroding our rights

 

one bill at a time. If they do it skow enough then teach the children that its ok... How 'free' would we be in 50 years.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:23 AM

2. There may be a few SS still living who can opine

If not one of them, then maybe a few Hitler Youth are still around and can give you some thoughts.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:27 AM

4. There's a case before the Supreme Court right now...

...about whether dogs can sniff a house's front door for drugs without a warrant.

The court has bizarrely reasoned that a drug dog sniff is not a search under the meaning of the Fourth Amendment when it comes to cars and packages in transit, but has held that a man's home is his castle and shot down infrared scans of the home without a warrant. We'll see if the imperatives of the drug war or those of the Fourth prevail.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:42 AM

6. I wonder if the courts

would say it is ok for a dog to sniff a car for drugs if the car was parked in the driveway of the owner. That is, the dog and handler would have to trespass to get the dog close enough to do his job. I don't have a problem with it if the vehicle is on public property.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:38 AM

5. LOL

Every single day hundreds of ineligible people send the FBI a note saying, "hey! I'm trying to buy a gun today. Here's where I live, and here"s my phone #. Oh, and I'll also give you bonifide evidence that I am trying to illegally buy a gun, and probably, by signing a federal form under penalty of perjury, have given you enough to get a search warrant to bring your gun sniff'n dogs in to my home"...problem is even though this happens, again, hundreds of times every day, less than 5% of these prohibited buyers are even investigated..No, there's a back log on this sort of thing, don't kid yourself...

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:45 AM

8. You mean random searches? On demand?

Sort of like being a parolee for life?

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Response to Iggo (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:06 AM

9. Well upon first diagnoses for mental illness where a court determines someone is a danger to society

 

Or during parole, or upon other legal incidences.

I'm actually wondering upon what circumstances we currently search for weapons if ever.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:24 AM

10. Setting aside all the major 4th amendment implications, if the person live alone then

maybe it could be done. However, MANY 'Ineligible people' live with others who are not inelligible. So, let's assume you are not inelligible and you have a shotgun. Under current law, it is not a violation if someone who is ineligible lives at your home where the weapon in kept. They would be in violation if they 'possesed' it, but not simply by being in the home with one. Likewise, a person who lives with someone prohibited from buying weapons can go out and buy as many as they like (within legal limits), bring them home, and not be in violation of any laws.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:58 AM

14. What a charmingly Gestapo like suggestion. Congrats on that.

sometimes I really wonder.

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Response to dkf (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:58 AM

15. Funny how many "liberals" don't like the 4th Amendment applying to groups they don't like

you can't decry the racial profiling done by NYC and their stop and frisk program. But turn around and demand random searches of people homes with no probable cause. The sad thing you're not the first person here to propose such blatantly unconstitutional laws simply because you don't like people who guns. I find it no less disturbing than right wingers who think I should be stopped because of the color of my skin.

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