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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:48 PM

!!! CULTURAL PSA !!! King Richard III



DU friends, I implore you to read Shakespeare's play - see it - watch a film of it. It's imo his finest dramatic play, and if you haven't read Shakespeare, just give it a go...


AND the documentary "Looking for Richard" is about Al pacino trying to stage it in NYC. FASCINATING!

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:53 PM

1. From what I have read, Shakespeare's version of the life of Richard III is a lot like

reading about the life of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama on the Fox Noise Channel.

Edited to add: In the late 1400's they did not have much in the way of "fact checking".

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:56 PM

2. You have heard correctly.

But since it was the House of Tudor that unseated Richard, all history about him during that period are like Faux News reports on A Dem President, as you say.

The victors write the history.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:19 PM

3. " The victors write the history. " Very true...

Imagine living in a world where Fox News and the Government controlled absolutely everything.

At least we have some sort of semblance of transparency today.

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:06 PM

15. Ok, Shakespeare's history plays are far from historical..

.. but they are great drama.

Macbeth is far from historical, and so is Richard III. Josephine Tey put Shakespeare's Richard III to rest, but the play and particularly Olivier's performance is a one of masterpiece... and so is Anthony Quayle's reading of Macbeth, truly superior.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:23 PM

4. Especially the Ian McKellan version - Annette Bening, Robert Downey, Jr., Kristin Scott Thomas

Brilliant - set in an alternative 1930s Fascist England. Really cool, and Ian is brilliant.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:26 PM

5. I love that version

I wish they'd re-issue it on Blu-ray.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:27 PM

6. Agreed

A very fine film indeed

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Response to hatrack (Reply #4)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:02 PM

14. yuppers. benning surprised me.

bigtime!

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:28 PM

7. Ye bloody paved over me grave

ye buggers

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:26 PM

8. What was that bit about "Cursed be he who moves my bones"?

That may have been The Bard himself - can't recall.

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Response to hatrack (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:02 AM

10. Well done hatrack!

To dig the dust enclosed here. Blessed be the man that spares these stones, And cursed be he that moves my bones. — William Shakespeare.

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:53 PM

9. Why is the re-burial going to be there instead of the Abbey? n/t

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:09 AM

11. Just when I thought I was done for a while with the Royals and their events...

...we get a royal re-interment. I wonder what the commemorative dinner plate will look like.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:45 AM

13. Yeah, I'm a definite prole anti-royalist (the "royals" are parasites!1) but I thought I'd be nice

and not rain on these Richard threads mainly because of my SHAKESPEARE fondness. Thanks for bringing out my bad self, pin, you really know how to play my buttons!1

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Response to elehhhhna (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:19 AM

12. My ancestor is a character in Richard III; he kills the two kids

The tyrannous and bloody deed is done.
The most arch of piteous massacre
That ever yet this land was guilty of.
Dighton and Forrest, whom I did suborn
To do this ruthless piece of butchery,
Although they were flesh'd villains, bloody dogs,
Melting with tenderness and kind compassion
Wept like two children in their deaths' sad stories.
'Lo, thus' quoth Dighton, 'lay those tender babes:'
'Thus, thus,' quoth Forrest, 'girdling one another
Within their innocent alabaster arms:
Their lips were four red roses on a stalk,
Which in their summer beauty kiss'd each other.
A book of prayers on their pillow lay;
Which once,' quoth Forrest, 'almost changed my mind;
But O! the devil'—there the villain stopp'd
Whilst Dighton thus told on: 'We smothered
The most replenished sweet work of nature,
That from the prime creation e'er she framed.'
Thus both are gone with conscience and remorse;
They could not speak; and so I left them both,
To bring this tidings to the bloody king.
And here he comes.
All hail, my sovereign liege!


I love that speech

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