Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:55 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
BREAKING: The stand off in Alabama is now overLast edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:33 PM USA/ET - Edit history (4)
Developing
FBI is briefing Richardson, special Agent in Charge The PIO just said five minutes. Confirmed, Ethan is alive and Dykes is dead. 15:12 FBI safely recovered the child. Over the last 24 hours Dykes was observed holding a firearm. The child is at the hospital physically unharmed, the subject (Dykes) is deceased.
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| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | OP | |
| snooper2 | Feb 2013 | #1 | |
| zappaman | Feb 2013 | #3 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #4 | |
| kestrel91316 | Feb 2013 | #39 | |
| snooper2 | Feb 2013 | #54 | |
| PennsylvaniaMatt | Feb 2013 | #2 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #5 | |
| SidDithers | Feb 2013 | #6 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #31 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #7 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #8 | |
| HappyMe | Feb 2013 | #9 | |
| spanone | Feb 2013 | #10 | |
| HappyMe | Feb 2013 | #12 | |
| meow2u3 | Feb 2013 | #11 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #13 | |
| meow2u3 | Feb 2013 | #14 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #15 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #29 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #32 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #33 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #35 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #48 | |
| sad-cafe | Feb 2013 | #62 | |
| rdharma | Feb 2013 | #63 | |
| obamanut2012 | Feb 2013 | #18 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #22 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #43 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #47 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #52 | |
| Go Vols | Feb 2013 | #24 | |
| meow2u3 | Feb 2013 | #16 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #17 | |
| HappyMe | Feb 2013 | #19 | |
| meow2u3 | Feb 2013 | #21 | |
| HappyMe | Feb 2013 | #23 | |
| kestrel91316 | Feb 2013 | #42 | |
| HappyMe | Feb 2013 | #50 | |
| WillyT | Feb 2013 | #20 | |
| Buns_of_Fire | Feb 2013 | #25 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #27 | |
| HappyMe | Feb 2013 | #26 | |
| malaise | Feb 2013 | #28 | |
| TeamPooka | Feb 2013 | #30 | |
| ananda | Feb 2013 | #34 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #36 | |
| ananda | Feb 2013 | #40 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #51 | |
| FarCenter | Feb 2013 | #37 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #38 | |
| ananda | Feb 2013 | #41 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #44 | |
| zappaman | Feb 2013 | #45 | |
| kestrel91316 | Feb 2013 | #46 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #49 | |
| kestrel91316 | Feb 2013 | #55 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #56 | |
| freshwest | Feb 2013 | #53 | |
| SummerSnow | Feb 2013 | #57 | |
| farminator3000 | Feb 2013 | #58 | |
| ljm2002 | Feb 2013 | #59 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #60 | |
| rdharma | Feb 2013 | #61 | |
| nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #64 |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:56 PM
snooper2 (16,868 posts)
1. You're a reporter, we need more data than that..
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NOW!
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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:59 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
4. My beat is way to the west of Alabama
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MSNBC has also sad explosion and ambulance. Forty five minutes, official statement expected. |
Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:54 PM
kestrel91316 (45,676 posts)
39. What - you want her to just make shit up to satisfy you??
Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #39)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:13 PM
snooper2 (16,868 posts)
54. LOL, it was in jest almost real-time
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Take a chill pill dude!
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:58 PM
PennsylvaniaMatt (666 posts)
2. CNN: The little boy is safe....the kidnapper is dead
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Developing...
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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #2)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:59 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
5. Oh good
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM
SidDithers (27,612 posts)
6. Wait. Yesterday you told us it is going to take a while...
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Sid |
Response to SidDithers (Reply #6)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:39 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
31. It did take a while, IMO. Too long for the boy, but what a nightmare. Still it's good news.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
7. Reporter explaining why you did not have live coverage
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Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:03 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Shocking, the same I told you guys...
Good for reporter |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:05 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
8. Kidnapper is dead, the boy is ok...reported by Pete Williams
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And local abc station.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM
HappyMe (12,464 posts)
9. The kidnapper dead, little boy is okay.
Response to HappyMe (Reply #9)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:08 PM
spanone (72,276 posts)
10. msnbc ...no confirmation yet.
Response to spanone (Reply #10)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:12 PM
HappyMe (12,464 posts)
12. Yup. Press conference any minute now.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:11 PM
meow2u3 (14,015 posts)
11. Kid is alive; kidnapper is dead
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Question is, how did the kidnapper die? Did he kill himself?
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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:13 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
13. We will know at the presser
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Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:14 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) From the puzzle, I suspect, this is speculation, during the dynamic entry. I suspect a cop. But this is speculation.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:17 PM
meow2u3 (14,015 posts)
14. I'm watching right now
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I was only conjecturing.
All speculation aside, we'll find out when they perform the autopsy. |
Response to meow2u3 (Reply #14)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:18 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
15. Too, true
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
29. Saw something about a concussion grenade (?) on another thread.
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Perhaps Dykes committed suicide by putting himself between the two of them?
Perhaps authorities set one off and it got Dykes and they opened the bunker? And he shot himself? No teevee at my place, so I'm not seeing what you are. There will still be terrible trauma for this youngster that will follow him his entire life. |
Response to freshwest (Reply #29)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:40 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
32. Flash bangs are standard in dynamic entries
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The authorities told us kid is fine, subject is deceased. Likely he was shot as the flash bang went off. That's standard. This took a minute once they committed, at most.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
33. Nerves of steel whoever got that hatch open and did this...
Response to freshwest (Reply #33)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:43 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
35. Yup...they also had a SWAT medic go in, most likely.
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These people train constantly. I am betting they built a mock up of the bunker, and trained repeatedly over the last two days.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #35)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:04 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
48. Good grief, what a job to have to train for. But it worked this time.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:02 PM
sad-cafe (758 posts)
62. what is a flash bang?
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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #62)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:04 PM
rdharma (2,345 posts)
63. what is a flash bang?
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A "flash bang" is a less than lethal stun grenade. Just as the name implies it makes a tremendous flash and bang which disorients the target (in this case the hostage holder). They are especially effective in close quarters and are often used in situations like they had in Alabama.
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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:21 PM
obamanut2012 (9,971 posts)
18. I wonder if via sniper?
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #18)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
22. Doubt it.
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Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:25 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Hardened position.
I suspect they had a dynamic entry (the loud explosion was likely a flash bang) followed by a second detonation, gun shot. This was very early on with the field reporter. Since he's talking of a single detonation. Soon all our speculation will be over with the presser |
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #18)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:57 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
43. Farcenter posted this
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In a brief press conference provided to local media, Alabama and U.S. law-enforcement officials said that officers encountered Sykes, who was holding a gun, after breaching the cavern where Sykes had been keeping the boy. The officials quickly shot and killed Sykes and rescued the boy, who is being returned to his family. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/02/alabama-hostage-situation-over/61787/ Yup...that is what it sounded like. You can et they trained for this nearby. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #43)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:03 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
47. Yes, they train. Most of us don't want to think about this, but it's necessary.
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They deserve appreciation for saving that boy from this man.
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Response to freshwest (Reply #47)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:09 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
52. Tonight they are all on cloud nine.
Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:26 PM
Go Vols (1,210 posts)
24. cops killed him per MSNBC
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:19 PM
meow2u3 (14,015 posts)
16. I just heard on MSNBC
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...that the kidnapper felt he was a victim. Sounds as if he were a paranoid, teabagger loser.
Yeah, right--and the little 5-year-old provoked him? |
Response to meow2u3 (Reply #16)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:20 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
17. Prepper, end of days...
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Those precedent the tea party types.
They are, and have been, a very real segment of society. |
Response to meow2u3 (Reply #16)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:21 PM
HappyMe (12,464 posts)
19. They said that he felt alienated from society.
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Easier for people to feel this way, then they take themselves out of society.
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Response to HappyMe (Reply #19)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:22 PM
meow2u3 (14,015 posts)
21. They can take themselves out of society, but leave innocent people alone nt
Response to meow2u3 (Reply #21)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM
HappyMe (12,464 posts)
23. I'm sure some of them do.
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There's always going to be a few that don't leave people alone.
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Response to HappyMe (Reply #23)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:56 PM
kestrel91316 (45,676 posts)
42. Well, there's one fewer today.
Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #42)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM
HappyMe (12,464 posts)
50. That's good.
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Those survival people kind of freak me out. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:22 PM
WillyT (46,353 posts)
20. K & R !!!
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:27 PM
Buns_of_Fire (8,354 posts)
25. MSNBC reports that there was "growing concern" about the kidnapper's mental state... nt
Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #25)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:28 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
27. Yup, listening.
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This does not surprise me.
Oh presser. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:28 PM
HappyMe (12,464 posts)
26. The people that had been
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talking to him were concerned because the guy's mental condition was deteriorating rapidly.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM
malaise (107,053 posts)
28. Too sad all around
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The destroyed destroy and are destroyed
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM
TeamPooka (3,373 posts)
30. Glad the child is safe and no one else but the criminal hurt or killed.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:42 PM
ananda (12,662 posts)
34. Thank God!
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Oh my God! Thank you!
That was such an ordeal. |
Response to ananda (Reply #34)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
36. I would thank the FBI hostage rescue team.
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But that is just me.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:55 PM
ananda (12,662 posts)
40. Sure.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
51. Me, too. They get bad press, but this is part of their world and explains their mindset.
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Like the Secret Service. You wonder why they can't crack a smile once in a while.
Someone commented that is because, 'They know too many things.' What a world. So relieved for this little one. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:51 PM
FarCenter (13,533 posts)
37. "breaching the cavern"?
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In a brief press conference provided to local media, Alabama and U.S. law-enforcement officials said that officers encountered Sykes, who was holding a gun, after breaching the cavern where Sykes had been keeping the boy. The officials quickly shot and killed Sykes and rescued the boy, who is being returned to his family.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/02/alabama-hostage-situation-over/61787/ |
Response to FarCenter (Reply #37)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:54 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
38. Translation, they opened the bunker
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And engaged in a dynamic entry. The shocking part is how confined the area was.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #38)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:56 PM
ananda (12,662 posts)
41. They used a stun or flash grenade.
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I don't understand why they didn't do this sooner.
Anybody know? |
Response to ananda (Reply #41)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:59 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
44. Breaching and dynamic entries are the last choice
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Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:00 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Since they got a high probability of hostage death, even if the hostage is already assumed dead and getting them out is gravy. Trying to talk this down to a peaceful end is the best outcome for all involved.
Also, they had to train for the actual entry...and I can bet on a mock up nearby where multiple teams practiced. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #44)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:01 PM
zappaman (8,635 posts)
45. Is this the procedure when you did it?
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Likely still the same, but I wonder if it has changed over the years...
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Response to ananda (Reply #41)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:01 PM
kestrel91316 (45,676 posts)
46. Life does not proceed at TV show pace. Things take more than an hour or two.
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People sometimes want to know why it takes "so long" for me to find out what's wrong with their cat and why treatment can't be completed and the cat, with 6 different chronic health problems, can't be cured during a single office visit. They think life is a TV show.
I really hope you are not taking that attitude toward this thing. Unless you are a LEO hostage expert and were on scene, you might want to ease up on the second-guessing and criticizing. |
Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #46)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
49. My apologies
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Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:10 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Misread the thread.
Oh and taking my kids to the vet in the afternoon. I expect a clean bill of health....squawk. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #49)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:15 PM
kestrel91316 (45,676 posts)
55. I was responding to ananda. "Why didn't they do this sooner??" is
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the sort of comment that really ticks me off in these situations.
Instant effing gratification, blaming the cops for not being superheroes with instantaneous solutions to crime. Sheesh. |
Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #55)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:17 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
56. I know, I realized this.
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But csi is resolved within 45 minutes. Per formula by minute 40 you know. The other 15 are the commercial spots.
Now, will have two pissed off birds, taking them for physical in an hour, they are already in bed. |
Response to ananda (Reply #41)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:12 PM
freshwest (32,410 posts)
53. The boy was in arm's reach of Sykes - it was tricky, no doubt.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:24 PM
SummerSnow (1,071 posts)
57. This guy was a Bagger ...
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Huffington Post wrote : according to his neighbors, conservative radio filled his home and fed his anti government thinking....Bagger indeed.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:29 PM
farminator3000 (2,112 posts)
58. sweet jesus, that's good news!
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Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:31 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) thanks!
http://www.abc3340.com/story/20960350/loud-bang-heard-at-hostage-site-in-midland live video ^^^ edit: "At the same time, we also want to remember the family and friends of the bus driver – Charles Poland, Junior. This man was a true hero who was willing to give up his life so others might live. We are all inspired by his courage and bravery. http://www.abc3340.com/story/20961271/governor-bentleys-statement-on-resolution-of-hostage-situation-in-midland-city |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:33 PM
ljm2002 (7,458 posts)
59. Thank goodness!!!
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I hope the child is not too traumatized...
The team that handled this deserves a lot of credit. |
Response to ljm2002 (Reply #59)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:34 PM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
60. At almost six he should be ok
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Kids are very resilient. Of course should and will are two different things.
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:01 PM
rdharma (2,345 posts)
61. One down.......many more to go
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I've been monitoring some of these racist gun nut sites. This krazy killer kracker is not alone. There are many others out there with visions of flying monkeys and "gubmint gun grabbers" in their addled conspiracy filled noggins.
I hate to say it....... but this won't be the last time something like this happens. And I blame the righty talk haters like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc. |
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)
Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:10 AM
nadinbrzezinski (121,661 posts)
64. Local nooz reports the FBI team used a mock bunker
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To train....
Yup, not surprising. |

