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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:55 PM

BREAKING: The stand off in Alabama is now over

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Developing

FBI is briefing Richardson, special Agent in Charge

The PIO just said five minutes.

Confirmed, Ethan is alive and Dykes is dead.

15:12 FBI safely recovered the child. Over the last 24 hours Dykes was observed holding a firearm.

The child is at the hospital physically unharmed, the subject (Dykes) is deceased.

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Reply BREAKING: The stand off in Alabama is now over (Original post)
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 OP
snooper2 Feb 2013 #1
zappaman Feb 2013 #3
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #4
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #39
snooper2 Feb 2013 #54
PennsylvaniaMatt Feb 2013 #2
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #5
SidDithers Feb 2013 #6
freshwest Feb 2013 #31
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #7
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #8
HappyMe Feb 2013 #9
spanone Feb 2013 #10
HappyMe Feb 2013 #12
meow2u3 Feb 2013 #11
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #13
meow2u3 Feb 2013 #14
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #15
freshwest Feb 2013 #29
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #32
freshwest Feb 2013 #33
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #35
freshwest Feb 2013 #48
sad-cafe Feb 2013 #62
rdharma Feb 2013 #63
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #18
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #22
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #43
freshwest Feb 2013 #47
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #52
Go Vols Feb 2013 #24
meow2u3 Feb 2013 #16
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #17
HappyMe Feb 2013 #19
meow2u3 Feb 2013 #21
HappyMe Feb 2013 #23
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #42
HappyMe Feb 2013 #50
WillyT Feb 2013 #20
Buns_of_Fire Feb 2013 #25
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #27
HappyMe Feb 2013 #26
malaise Feb 2013 #28
TeamPooka Feb 2013 #30
ananda Feb 2013 #34
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #36
ananda Feb 2013 #40
freshwest Feb 2013 #51
FarCenter Feb 2013 #37
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #38
ananda Feb 2013 #41
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #44
zappaman Feb 2013 #45
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #46
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #49
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #55
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #56
freshwest Feb 2013 #53
SummerSnow Feb 2013 #57
farminator3000 Feb 2013 #58
ljm2002 Feb 2013 #59
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #60
rdharma Feb 2013 #61
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #64

Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:56 PM

1. You're a reporter, we need more data than that..

NOW!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:58 PM

3. !!!!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:59 PM

4. My beat is way to the west of Alabama



MSNBC has also sad explosion and ambulance. Forty five minutes, official statement expected.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:54 PM

39. What - you want her to just make shit up to satisfy you??

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:13 PM

54. LOL, it was in jest almost real-time

Take a chill pill dude!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:58 PM

2. CNN: The little boy is safe....the kidnapper is dead

Developing...

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Response to PennsylvaniaMatt (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:59 PM

5. Oh good

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM

6. Wait. Yesterday you told us it is going to take a while...



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:39 PM

31. It did take a while, IMO. Too long for the boy, but what a nightmare. Still it's good news.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM

7. Reporter explaining why you did not have live coverage

Shocking, the same I told you guys...

Good for reporter

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:05 PM

8. Kidnapper is dead, the boy is ok...reported by Pete Williams

And local abc station.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM

9. The kidnapper dead, little boy is okay.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:08 PM

10. msnbc ...no confirmation yet.

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Response to spanone (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:12 PM

12. Yup. Press conference any minute now.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:11 PM

11. Kid is alive; kidnapper is dead

Question is, how did the kidnapper die? Did he kill himself?

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:13 PM

13. We will know at the presser

From the puzzle, I suspect, this is speculation, during the dynamic entry. I suspect a cop. But this is speculation.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:17 PM

14. I'm watching right now

I was only conjecturing.

All speculation aside, we'll find out when they perform the autopsy.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:18 PM

15. Too, true

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM

29. Saw something about a concussion grenade (?) on another thread.

Perhaps Dykes committed suicide by putting himself between the two of them?

Perhaps authorities set one off and it got Dykes and they opened the bunker?

And he shot himself?

No teevee at my place, so I'm not seeing what you are. There will still be terrible trauma for this youngster that will follow him his entire life.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:40 PM

32. Flash bangs are standard in dynamic entries

The authorities told us kid is fine, subject is deceased. Likely he was shot as the flash bang went off. That's standard. This took a minute once they committed, at most.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 PM

33. Nerves of steel whoever got that hatch open and did this...

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Response to freshwest (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:43 PM

35. Yup...they also had a SWAT medic go in, most likely.

These people train constantly. I am betting they built a mock up of the bunker, and trained repeatedly over the last two days.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:04 PM

48. Good grief, what a job to have to train for. But it worked this time.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:02 PM

62. what is a flash bang?

 

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Response to sad-cafe (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:04 PM

63. what is a flash bang?

 

A "flash bang" is a less than lethal stun grenade. Just as the name implies it makes a tremendous flash and bang which disorients the target (in this case the hostage holder). They are especially effective in close quarters and are often used in situations like they had in Alabama.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:21 PM

18. I wonder if via sniper?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM

22. Doubt it.

Hardened position.

I suspect they had a dynamic entry (the loud explosion was likely a flash bang) followed by a second detonation, gun shot. This was very early on with the field reporter. Since he's talking of a single detonation.

Soon all our speculation will be over with the presser

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:57 PM

43. Farcenter posted this


In a brief press conference provided to local media, Alabama and U.S. law-enforcement officials said that officers encountered Sykes, who was holding a gun, after breaching the cavern where Sykes had been keeping the boy. The officials quickly shot and killed Sykes and rescued the boy, who is being returned to his family.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/02/alabama-hostage-situation-over/61787/


Yup...that is what it sounded like. You can et they trained for this nearby.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #43)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:03 PM

47. Yes, they train. Most of us don't want to think about this, but it's necessary.

They deserve appreciation for saving that boy from this man.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:09 PM

52. Tonight they are all on cloud nine.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:26 PM

24. cops killed him per MSNBC

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:19 PM

16. I just heard on MSNBC

...that the kidnapper felt he was a victim. Sounds as if he were a paranoid, teabagger loser.

Yeah, right--and the little 5-year-old provoked him?

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:20 PM

17. Prepper, end of days...

Those precedent the tea party types.

They are, and have been, a very real segment of society.

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:21 PM

19. They said that he felt alienated from society.

Easier for people to feel this way, then they take themselves out of society.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:22 PM

21. They can take themselves out of society, but leave innocent people alone nt

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM

23. I'm sure some of them do.

There's always going to be a few that don't leave people alone.

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:56 PM

42. Well, there's one fewer today.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

50. That's good.


Those survival people kind of freak me out.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:22 PM

20. K & R !!!


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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:27 PM

25. MSNBC reports that there was "growing concern" about the kidnapper's mental state... nt

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:28 PM

27. Yup, listening.

This does not surprise me.

Oh presser.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:28 PM

26. The people that had been

talking to him were concerned because the guy's mental condition was deteriorating rapidly.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM

28. Too sad all around

The destroyed destroy and are destroyed

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM

30. Glad the child is safe and no one else but the criminal hurt or killed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:42 PM

34. Thank God!

Oh my God! Thank you!

That was such an ordeal.

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Response to ananda (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM

36. I would thank the FBI hostage rescue team.

But that is just me.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:55 PM

40. Sure.

..

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

51. Me, too. They get bad press, but this is part of their world and explains their mindset.

Like the Secret Service. You wonder why they can't crack a smile once in a while.

Someone commented that is because, 'They know too many things.'

What a world. So relieved for this little one.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:51 PM

37. "breaching the cavern"?

In a brief press conference provided to local media, Alabama and U.S. law-enforcement officials said that officers encountered Sykes, who was holding a gun, after breaching the cavern where Sykes had been keeping the boy. The officials quickly shot and killed Sykes and rescued the boy, who is being returned to his family.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/02/alabama-hostage-situation-over/61787/

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Response to FarCenter (Reply #37)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:54 PM

38. Translation, they opened the bunker

And engaged in a dynamic entry. The shocking part is how confined the area was.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:56 PM

41. They used a stun or flash grenade.

I don't understand why they didn't do this sooner.

Anybody know?

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Response to ananda (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:59 PM

44. Breaching and dynamic entries are the last choice

Since they got a high probability of hostage death, even if the hostage is already assumed dead and getting them out is gravy. Trying to talk this down to a peaceful end is the best outcome for all involved.

Also, they had to train for the actual entry...and I can bet on a mock up nearby where multiple teams practiced.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:01 PM

45. Is this the procedure when you did it?

Likely still the same, but I wonder if it has changed over the years...

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Response to ananda (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:01 PM

46. Life does not proceed at TV show pace. Things take more than an hour or two.

People sometimes want to know why it takes "so long" for me to find out what's wrong with their cat and why treatment can't be completed and the cat, with 6 different chronic health problems, can't be cured during a single office visit. They think life is a TV show.

I really hope you are not taking that attitude toward this thing. Unless you are a LEO hostage expert and were on scene, you might want to ease up on the second-guessing and criticizing.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

49. My apologies

Misread the thread.

Oh and taking my kids to the vet in the afternoon. I expect a clean bill of health....squawk.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #49)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:15 PM

55. I was responding to ananda. "Why didn't they do this sooner??" is

the sort of comment that really ticks me off in these situations.

Instant effing gratification, blaming the cops for not being superheroes with instantaneous solutions to crime. Sheesh.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:17 PM

56. I know, I realized this.

But csi is resolved within 45 minutes. Per formula by minute 40 you know. The other 15 are the commercial spots.

Now, will have two pissed off birds, taking them for physical in an hour, they are already in bed.

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Response to ananda (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:12 PM

53. The boy was in arm's reach of Sykes - it was tricky, no doubt.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:24 PM

57. This guy was a Bagger ...

Huffington Post wrote : according to his neighbors, conservative radio filled his home and fed his anti government thinking....Bagger indeed.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:29 PM

58. sweet jesus, that's good news!

thanks!

http://www.abc3340.com/story/20960350/loud-bang-heard-at-hostage-site-in-midland

live video ^^^

edit:
"At the same time, we also want to remember the family and friends of the bus driver Charles Poland, Junior. This man was a true hero who was willing to give up his life so others might live. We are all inspired by his courage and bravery.
http://www.abc3340.com/story/20961271/governor-bentleys-statement-on-resolution-of-hostage-situation-in-midland-city

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:33 PM

59. Thank goodness!!!

I hope the child is not too traumatized...

The team that handled this deserves a lot of credit.

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Response to ljm2002 (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:34 PM

60. At almost six he should be ok

Kids are very resilient. Of course should and will are two different things.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:01 PM

61. One down.......many more to go

 

I've been monitoring some of these racist gun nut sites. This krazy killer kracker is not alone. There are many others out there with visions of flying monkeys and "gubmint gun grabbers" in their addled conspiracy filled noggins.

I hate to say it....... but this won't be the last time something like this happens.

And I blame the righty talk haters like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 01:10 AM

64. Local nooz reports the FBI team used a mock bunker

To train....

Yup, not surprising.

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