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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:21 PM

There's a time and place for porn and I loves me some porns but...

...too often sex is used the same way as sugar and lard and frying, a way of dressing up something that can't stand on its own. This isn't a question of sex, it's aesthetics.

If I want porn, there's an entire internet of it out there. These aren't the dark ages where you had to find Sears catalogs or try to sneak in R-rated sex comedies and watch 90 minutes of bad filler for the a few fleeting seconds of T&A. You can get whatever you want wherever you want whenever you want.

So, why porn up everything else? HBO porns up their premium lineups and it's really kind of silly when you think about it. They're offering the equivalent of hotel sex channel softcore. What's more, the sex is jammed into the story even when not called for. We get infodumps in brothels, a trick called sexposition. You know what? I can see all sorts of that sort of thing online whenever I want. What I don't get is Peter Dinklage being an impy badass. All the sex cuts into my Imp time.

Katy Perry kissed a girl? How quaint. You know what I'd like to see her do? Sing without autotune.

So as far as the whole Beyonce thing goes, my critique isn't from prudery but aesthetics. Relentless sex becomes boring. It's unimaginative. It's so pathetically obvious. If this were standup it would be the equivalent of "white people are like this, black people are like that!" or "You might be a redneck."

So much of what passes for art and creative endeavuor in this country comes across exactly like this guy.



This bleached pourcipine IS the Ugly American. Loud, crass, brash, bringing attitude and self-absorbed theater and leaving a greasy stink on everything he touches. He asks us to lower our expectations and standards and then panders to them with an enthusiastic inauthenticity. Plastic culture for plastic people. Shit, guy's a millionaire so maybe he's onto something.

Do I like food? No, I love food. Does he ruin food with his approach? Yes. Everything he does might be palatable in moderation but he cranks everything up to 11. And this is how we do everything in this country.

Doubtless some people who didn't like Beyonce are racist, sexist, or have some kind of axe to grind for the wrong reasons. But some of them, some of the critics, they might just have some goddamn taste.

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Reply There's a time and place for porn and I loves me some porns but... (Original post)
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 OP
Taverner Feb 2013 #1
BlueStreak Feb 2013 #6
Taverner Feb 2013 #10
BlueStreak Feb 2013 #14
Brickbat Feb 2013 #2
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #9
liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #13
lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #15
snooper2 Feb 2013 #3
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #4
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #16
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #20
dlwickham Feb 2013 #29
HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #32
Enrique Feb 2013 #5
tarheelsunc Feb 2013 #7
whathehell Feb 2013 #36
AtheistCrusader Feb 2013 #39
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #8
CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #59
el_bryanto Feb 2013 #60
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #61
Journeyman Feb 2013 #11
flamingdem Feb 2013 #12
jeff47 Feb 2013 #17
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #18
jeff47 Feb 2013 #21
October Feb 2013 #23
SouthernDonkey Feb 2013 #47
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #51
Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #19
Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #22
dlwickham Feb 2013 #28
Sherman A1 Feb 2013 #33
dlwickham Feb 2013 #37
cali Feb 2013 #26
RobertEarl Feb 2013 #27
siligut Feb 2013 #24
FarCenter Feb 2013 #25
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #30
patrice Feb 2013 #31
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #41
patrice Feb 2013 #48
Apophis Feb 2013 #34
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #42
Apophis Feb 2013 #45
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #52
Orrex Feb 2013 #58
thelordofhell Feb 2013 #35
adieu Feb 2013 #38
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #40
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #43
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #44
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #50
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #53
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #55
hunter Feb 2013 #62
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #63
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #64
Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #65
theKed Feb 2013 #46
jollyreaper2112 Feb 2013 #49
BeyondGeography Feb 2013 #54
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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:23 PM

1. I was impressed by her body - absolutely beautiful

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:31 PM

6. Make-up, costumes, camera angles

I'm not saying she is an unattractive woman. Frankly I find her music so vacant that I never bothered to look at her much. But really, in theater, you can make anybody look like anything. If a person fantasizes about that, they may have something else going on.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:34 PM

10. Legs like hers have nothing to do with makeup

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:42 PM

14. They have everything to do with costumes and camera angles

Lots of women have nice legs. When you put the woman in a stripper outfit and then shoot a camera angle up towards her crotch, that does highlight the legs.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:24 PM

2. I didn't see a sex show -- I saw a powerful woman dancing and singing while other strong women

backed her up.

ETA: Which says to me it was good art -- everyone saw something different.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:33 PM

9. I'm not going to change your mind...

I'm just putting my POV out there.

It's just like criticisms of the president. If someone says he's a damned socialist, I tune him out. If someone's complaining because he isn't a socialist, now I'm ready to listen.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:40 PM

13. I also saw a powerful woman dancing and singing

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:49 PM

15. I saw an unwanted interruption in an otherwise interesting football game. n/t

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:29 PM

3. I think we need some Mike Holmes porn



He'll show you the right way to frame that


Since you brought up cooking show hosts, how about Paula Deen sporting what Beyonce was wearing last night making some deep fried hotdogs! HOT!


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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:29 PM

4. The less the singing talent, the more sex is needed

to sell the performer. This is the only explanation for the current crop of pop stars.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:50 PM

16. That's what I was getting at

Video killed the radio star, now competing with porn is running the video star ragged.

Having a stage presence and notoriety that goes beyond the art itself is nothing new. Niccolò Paganini mixed talent with a larger than life personality. And there's always going to be a bias towards physical beauty. Humans are simple creatures and given the choice between two performers of equal talent, we'll obsess over the prettier one. We're simple and predictable that way.

Why should this bother me, this fake and broken culture? Don't like it, don't watch it, right? Smokers tried this line on me and it fails for the same reason. It's omnipresent, omnipervasive, and like running the smoker's gauntlet outside the lobby, you still reek of it in passing. I'm choking on second-hand culture and it's killing me.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:15 PM

20. Yep. Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, didn't need to strip to get an aidience

The current bunch that has to run vocals through all kinds of filters, effects, and enhancers...just fucking can't carry a tune. If they weren't shakin' booty or showing cleavage, noone would pay attention. Hey, I don't mind if they make millions off gullible saps, just don't include me.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:33 PM

29. current crop?

sex has been used for a long long time to sell singers, actors, etc

the definition of what is sexy is the only thing that has changed

in the past, an ankle was considered risque where today it takes a nipple slip to make the news

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #29)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:45 PM

32. Uh yea. If I want to see boobs and simulated masturbation

I'll go to a strip joint.
I want to hear the nice voice of someone who knows how to use it. Brittany, et al, just make assorted shrieks and moans run through filters and effects...that doesn't take any talent. And if they had any vocal talent, they wouldn't need to strip to hold the audience's attention. Just my opinion.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:30 PM

5. i never knew Will Pitt had bleached hair

that's the first color picture of him i've seen.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:32 PM

7. I don't think you can fairly compare women in dance uniforms doing somewhat suggestive moves to porn

It may not be the type of thing you want children to see, but what responsible parent still lets their child watch the halftime show after Nipplegate? There was nothing pornographic about the performance at all, and the exposiveness of the outfits is severely being overplayed. No one complains about cheerleaders or swimmers wearing outfits that are even more revealing. Beyonce's also certainly not the first dancer on national television with sexually suggestive dance moves. I prefer rock music, but this is one of the best halftime shows in recent memory, and The Who had one of the worst (it would have been 100 times better if Roger Daltrey and his barely existent vocal cords did not show up). Beyonce is a great singer and great dancer and she performed well in a well-choreographed show, one that probably didn't include children as the target audience. If people are outraged about children seeing this, then keep the children away from the television, or change the channel during halftime.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:07 PM

36. I agree. Although I thought it was in slightly bad taste, it's certainly not porn.

I do remember a time when female singers could actually just sing,

everything is over the top now, unfortunately.

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Response to tarheelsunc (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:22 PM

39. As a parent, I'm not super-terrified of nipples either.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:33 PM

8. I liked him on Diners Drive-ins or Dives - but then I suppose thats because he was going around

to real locally owned restaurants (for the most parts) and his enthusiasm was infectious.

His own cooking efforts have left me a little more cold.

Bryant

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Response to el_bryanto (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:50 AM

59. You probably really do not want to know

http://www.citypages.com/2011-10-12/restaurants/guy-fieri-in-diners-drive-ins-and-disasters/


"You have to protect Guy from all of his poop jokes," Page says. "Anytime any woman mentioned 'cream,' Guy went into a sexual riff. When cutting the show, you had to tell the editors to watch Guy's eye line, because it's always on breasts."

Fieri also needed protection from homosexuals, or at least advance warning. Early in the show's run, Page got a phone call from Fieri, who'd just walked out of a restaurant in a huff.

"Guy had decided that the two men running the restaurant were life partners," Page remembers. "He said, 'You can't send me to talk to gay people without warning! Those people weird me out!'"

From then on, show researchers were required to note any indications of homosexuality detected during pre-interviews. (Fieri declined to comment for this story through his spokespeople.)

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:52 AM

60. I didn't pick up on that - does that make me a bad person? nt

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #59)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:35 PM

61. Ugh

Those are the kinds of things you could guess about given his stage persona but man. I wish Bill Hicks were still around to give us a rant.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:37 PM

11. I didn't care for the music, and as I had the game recorded, I just forwarded through it. . .

It was the first time I'd heard Beyonce's music. She did a beautiful rendition of Etta Jame's "At Last" during the 2009 Inaugural. And I'm told she did a great rendition of the "Star Spangled Banner" in this Inauguration, but I don't seek versions of that song no matter how strong the recommendations.

To the point of this OP, however, her body did nothing special for me. I didn't see her as pornographic, of that I'm certain. Oh, she's beautiful, no doubt, but her beauty was not enough for me to desire to stay with the music, which I didn't particularly care for. Maybe another night it might be different -- my tastes are not etched in stone -- but yesterday evening just wasn't the moment for her and I.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:39 PM

12. You can't separate sex from dance? You must be fun at nightclubs

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:51 PM

17. So you'd be happy with the same show, as long as she was wearing pants?

Or the same outfit, as long as the moves weren't so lurid?

It's a Super Bowl halftime show. There have been exactly 0 good ones. There have been -10 aesthetically pleasing ones - yes, they're so bad they've pushed the number negative.

It's something the media does because the media thinks it's important. It's something that everyone else either puts up with, fast-forwards through, or uses as an opportunity to refresh their dip and beverage.

It has as much power as we chose to give it. So don't give it power.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:04 PM

18. No, not the real issue for me

It's about the aesthetics. Hell, even if nobody was on stage there's still the awful music we'd be hearing.

Imelda May does some good stuff.


Also partial to Loreena McKennitt.


Frankly, it's not the Super Bowel that bothers me so much as being unable escape exposure. It's at the gym. It's playing at bars. Avoid those social venues? Hard to do without being an urban hermit.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:26 PM

21. Do you always head to bars on Sunday evenings?

As I said, there have been exactly zero halftime shows that would satisfy you. It's a shitty environment for putting on a show. And consider that exactly none of your examples are of halftime shows.

It's about a 30 minute window one night a year. You're claiming you need to become a hermit to avoid it. Why the hell are you giving it so much power over your life?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:52 PM

23. Good points.

I cannot get over the number of people posting pages and pages about their OPINION on Beyonce. Really? lol! Ridiculous, too, how they get into arguments with others who comment.

People calling it porn, which it wasn't. Please.

Have any of them ever BEEN to the ballet? lol! You think Beyonce was underdressed? Ha!

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:27 AM

47. Hear Hear

To each his own. We still have a choice in this country don't we?

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:23 AM

51. No, I don't

But I do try to socialize instead of being a hermit. And these are the places people socialize. So when people say "Hey, let's go out to x," I can either shut up and go along or stay at my house like a hermit.

Some friends are more into the idea of staying in with homecooked food and good music. Those nights I enjoy more.

Anyway, I was starting from the super bowel and moving into a broader critique of pop culture. As KMFDM said, We fear that pop culture Is the only kind of culture we're ever gonna have.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:09 PM

19. Every TV I have ever seen has an 'Off' switch.

I don't need to use one, as it seldom gets turned on anyway.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:28 PM

22. Precisely

I fully understand the point of the OP and agree with the statement. That said, I noted no such dance routine on Downton Abbey last night when we watched it. Must have missed the Super Whatever it was.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:30 PM

28. they were doing the fox trot on DA

it's a slippery slope from the fox trot to pole dancing

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #28)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:48 PM

33. I must yield to your

wise assessment of the issue.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #33)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:09 PM

37. thank you

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:07 PM

26. I think the OP is making broad cultural observations

which I thought were well put and pretty interesting.

I don't think your comment has anything to do with what the OP penned.

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Response to cali (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:19 PM

27. Yeah, we get it

You and the OP were far more comfortable with the 1950's.

Too bad. Guess what... This is a new century and all that.

Myself, I think we can blame it all on global warming.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:00 PM

24. I love Peter Dinklage in GOT too

What I don't get is Peter Dinklage being an impy badass. All the sex cuts into my Imp time.


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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:04 PM

25. Tina Turner plus Madonna plus Prince carried to an illogical extreme.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:33 PM

30. Not porn but hardly family entertainment for elementary aged kids.

Here's a boring solution: We have a slew of really talented HS bands in this country and I think they deserve the spotlight much more than already super rich ladies.

Time to back off from the individual entertainer thing. IMO anyway.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:34 PM

31. "Relentless sex is boring. It's unimaginative." So it constantly morphs into things like pre-pubesce

nt and even younger girls in tiaras, in front of billions of tv eyes every day, doing moves designed, at least at one time, to get hydraulic responses in close physical proximity to certain gender specific aspects of human anatomy . . . while others come here and bitch, self importantly, about the Sandy Hook children seeking & sharing some modicum of human healing in the broken glare of a Super venue.

Is any of that Beyonce's fault? No. She should not be slut shamed, but that doesn't mean that we can't/must NOT talk honestly about variations in what behaviors mean, especially when those behaviors claim somekind of right to the biggest stages of all.

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Response to patrice (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:54 PM

41. I'm not about slut shaming

I do get angry when I feel sex is being used in a manipulative fashion. Happy, enthusiastic fucking is a beautiful thing and the more the merrier. Take pictures if you want. Human sexuality is a beautiful thing and should be celebrated.

But to use it as a cheap ploy to sell shit and transparently manipulate the audience is obscenity.

It's a mischaracterization of my point to say I want a return to sexual repression. That's the last thing I want. But if I haven't made my point clear sufficiently with all these posts, there's nothing else doing.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:35 AM

48. I should have made it clear that wasn't in reference to your post.

I'm not a prude either, but I am concerned about how well behaviors work for their intended purposes. It's difficult to express that thought around here and elsewhere, without getting accused of slut-shaming.

I'm a Liberal, so reservations about natural, "victim-less", behaviors don't come to me easily, but these are points I can't allow myself to deny.

Not all sexy behavior is slutty, nor is all of it innocent vitality; what people, men and women, need in order to free themselves is to be able to differentiate which is which in given situations. Instead, it appears that we are getting somekind of blanket assumption that anything other than praising liberated women, no matter how sexy they are behaving, is slut shaming.

I think that's an "emo prog" (emotional progressive) assumption and I understand its theoretical value in the processes of "liberation", but I simply have personal differences with the assumptions that all of us can just simply indulge whatever our emotional impulses are safely and with the assumption that "freedom" entitles us to blame others for their vulnerabilities to our behaviors. People, both women and men, get in over their heads and the results of that are not just zeroed out whenever someone decides that something went too far.

Sorry, if I didn't make this clear earlier. I've been encountering that "slut shaming" accusation here and elsewhere and it's acquiring a certain amount of social/political pressure and I don't think it's going to be all that helpful to most people to make the assumptions attached to that accusation. Some sexy behavior is innocent, some isn't. In either case, innocent or not, rape is NOT justified. Rape IS rape. I'm am not interested in shaming anyone. I am not about calling anyone a slut. Maybe some people are doing that. Maybe some are slut shaming more or less in error, or from more vindictive motives. That stuff isn't helpful either. However, none of that should stop us from exploring the truth honestly and it is a truth about freedom that it isn't free. The price of freedom is responsibility, responsibility for the reasonable consequences of one's actions to one's self and to others. If one doesn't pay that price, responsibility, one is not free, so women have a responsibility to be aware of what they are communicating, especially if it can be misunderstood. If we don't accept our responsibilities for power, we will not only not succeed in freeing ourselves, and hence others, we will find ourselves even more deeply enslaved to the most recent versions of the same old oppressors in ourselves and in others.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:51 PM

34. If Beyonce's performance was porn, why am I paying for the internet?

 



What did you think of the Calvin Klein ad?

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Response to Apophis (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:57 PM

42. It's more pointless eroticism to sell shit that ain't sex

Didn't see it, I can imagine what it would be like. Fit boy toy, shaved and waxed, strutting his stuff in undies? More obscenity. Acceptable if selling a workout routine or porn but cheapened and degraded when used for unrelated commerce.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:40 AM

45. But she wasn't selling anything.

 

She was performing.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:27 AM

52. Yes, she is

All performers sell their image. That's what she's putting out on stage. And that same image, carefully constructed, is used to sell related products. Does she have a clothing or fragrance line yet? That's common.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:25 AM

58. That's a simplistic objection

Advertisers use music to sell shit that isn't music. They use mountain scenery to sell shit that isn't a mountain. They use humor to sell shit that isn't funny.

Your argument comes down to "I don't like THING-X being used to sell PRODUCT-Y; therefore the use of THING-X to sell PRODUCT-Y is degrading." That's an fallacious argument from aesthetics.


It may or may not be degrading, but your dislike of it is irrelevant.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:53 PM

35. I guess that's why Taylor Swift is broke as shit

While K.D. Lang is a multi-millionaire

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:18 PM

38. Great post

I agree with the unnecessary overkill of porning everything in entertainment. I love my porn as well (not as much as I used to; today's porn is more of the outrageous rather than the storyline), but there's no need to go all balls out with porn on everything. It makes no sense.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:23 PM

40. It's to the point where the sex on "True Blood" doesn't even matter.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:02 AM

43. Exactly

It's been 40 minutes, time for Sookie to get her tits out. But wait, equal time here. Lafayette sex scene coming up. None of it is organic to the story at this point, it's just formula.

Game of Thrones actually has an hbo vp of sex telling them where they can stick in more naked women. Not making it up.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:24 AM

44. You DO realize you just increased their ratings.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:18 AM

50. by mentioning them on a web board?

I've got the power.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:27 AM

53. You would be surprised at how big an audience this place gets.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:42 AM

55. I guess I would

But I doubt anyone with access to the net is unaware of these shows.

True Blood lost the story thread in season 3 and fell to pieces with 4. Sad. First two seasons were good in a trashy, guilty pleasure sort of way. Last I heard, it's pretty much self-parody.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #55)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:30 PM

62. Count me as "unaware" even though I've been on the internet since 1979.

I don't watch television, don't have cable or satellite, and DU is the only general discussion site I hang out on. I never look at "Entertainment" news, I don't know what's on HBO, and I'm not sure who Beyonce or Katy Perry are.



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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #55)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:36 PM

63. They explore The Authority in the last season....

It's actually kind of interesting. Typical projection where people think of God as being just like themselves. The Authority is a Theocracy with Church and State combined. They derive their authority from the claim that they are following the will of Lilith who they claim was a vampire and who was created in God's image who was also a vampire. Humans according to their religion were put here as food and that's all. Much like the way religious people consider animals to be here for us to use as we see fit so there is no guilt as you string up a pig and cut it's throat to bleed it out before slicing it up into yummy ribs for the BBQ.

Add to that the fact that The Authority is trying to control a population of what is literally a bunch of blood thirsty killers so it's tactics match that brutality. Vampires fear The Authority as it has the power of life and death over anything they consider to be an offense.

BTW: The main writer of the show said he modelled "The Guardian" after the nightmare idea of Rick Santorum as President.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/18/rick-santorum-true-blood-vampire_n_1605347.html

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #63)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:00 PM

64. Hmm

They're really diverging from the books which is good in a way since the books lost their way. I stopped reading because the writer had no idea where she was going.

Lafayette died in the first book, it was a surprise for him to still be alive in the show. Jason was given far more character development and became more of a person. Tara was a white nobody in the books. So making her go lesbian wasn't out of character from the books but seemed more like a stunt on the show. It wasn't anything that was foreshadowed or a part of the character we saw and so seemed less like a progression and more like a ratings stunt.

That is a funny sort of balancing act. Of course they're trying to come up with drama that's interesting and keeping you watching but there's a difference between problems and developments that feel natural for the show and stuff that feels imposed for a ratings stunt. That's the problem with writing by committee.

Most shows go through a slump period. Same with books these days since they're always a series. When you are introduced to the characters they are brand new and you learn of them and their situation. Creators at this point are loathe to mess with success so you end up with a kind of aimlessness where they try to simulate drama without changing anything. They just keep stringing things along until cancelation.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #64)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:02 PM

65. One of the things that's cool about True Blood is the cliffhangers....

They keep the audience on the edge of their seat until the next episode or season.

Lafayette is one of the coolest characters on TV. He was introduced as a drug dealer and then it was revealed the only reason he was doing it was to give his mom the best care available. He is a student of many sources of wisdom from all cultures and quotes from everything from the Bible to Inuit. He is comfortable with being gay and respected by the other characters. The show also shows that the Deep South is NOT just a bunch of racists. As a matter of fact, those types are seen as a bunch of backward, ignorant losers who are becoming a rarity.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:47 AM

46. As a culinary professional

I am outraged at the mischaracterization of sugar, lard, and frying in the OP. They are honoured, valuable parts of many cuisines.

I am, however, completely supportive of the labelling of Guy Fiero as loud, crass, brash, and self-absorbed. The man's a tool.

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Response to theKed (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:17 AM

49. ahem

As I said, they're not so bad in and of themselves but, in the hands of an abuser like Guy, they're used to pander to and bludgeon our tastebuds by turn. That's the comparison I'm going for with sex. Is sex great? Of course it is. Can a sexy song be good? Oh, hell, yeah. You can have a sultry jazz singer who smokes up the joint with a flutter of her eyelashes, you can have an amazing burlesque striptease or you can have someone who's billed as a singer slapping on the makeup and putting on the stripper outfit to try to distract from her lack of ability.

Most of these latter criticisms aren't aimed at Beyonce so much as the younger crew of pop tarts, your Keshas and Perries, Pussycat Dolls, etc. At least acts like Rock Bitch were more up front about their intentions. They were a sexually-liberated, evangelical pagan troupe that mixed rock with live sex acts on stage. A bit hardcore for my taste but, given that no major label would sign them, you at least know they're doing what they're doing because they want to, not because some AR weasel had it focus-grouped.

In a way, it's also like comedy. Some of my favorite comedians can be vulgar but it takes even more skill to do a clean act. Clean and bad is easy, we see it all the time. Clean and funny? Oh, that's tough. A bad comedian will retreat into vulgarity but not find anything worth talking about there. And therefore any shock or impact he might have is ruined by overdoing it.

Putting sex in everything is like beer-battering and deep-frying everything and tossing bacon on it. Yeah, we all love fried, we all love bacon, but do you have to wrap that twinkie in bacon and fry it up for breakfast? For christ's sake, man!

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:32 AM

54. Which reminds me, Jacques Pepin is one of my heroes

The Short-Cut Cook is the hopeless man's best way to get started in adult domestic life. If you can feed yourself and others well and sensibly, you have a chance to live well.

Guy Fiero doesn't bother me; I think he has genuine affection for his subjects and they appreciate it. Not much in the way of useful learning though. Give me Jacques and his daughter on PBS anytime.

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:04 AM

56. K&R nt

nt

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:37 AM

57. Beautifully stated

and I could not agree more.

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