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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:19 PM

Frankly, I'm sorry that many of us failed to realize what occurred at the Super Bowl last night

In much of this world, even in America, being a woman… Especially a woman of color, puts you at a significant disadvantage.

After all, women only own 1% of the world's property:



And in this world, where slut shaming is the norm, of course it happens to a young, attractive woman of color, who just happened to be fully clothed.



This is in spite of the fact that the Super Bowl has set the precedence for testosterone laden entertainment and the controlled violence of professional football.



But last night, the event was replete with women of color. Strong talented women, who own their own bodies, expressing themselves the way that saw fit. If no one having the right to slut shame them, or diminish their accomplishments or accusing them of not being worthy of being who, what and where they were, doing what they were doing.

Beyonce made of point of filling the stage that she was on with beautiful and talented women of color, like her lead guitarist, Bibi McGill:



And in a world that so callously rewards women who show the same disrespect and animosity towards each other, Beyonce was having none of that:



So, I'm sorry if some of us here were disappointed with last night's events. Perhaps, the music was to their taste. I can understand that, to each their own. Of perhaps, loud and over-choreographed spectacles over the span of a few minutes, that are supposed to over-stimulate the senses are supposedly out of place in a venue entitled with the modest moniker of "THE SUPER BOWL."



Perhaps, the sight of a young, strong, talented woman of color… Actually, entire STAGE full of them was just a little too much to take for some:



But you know what?

I was happy to see things the way they were. No, I'm not some huge fan of Beyonce's music. I'm a DJ, as some of us here know, and her music is not something that I would play on my show… I have different tastes myself, other than that of popular music.



But, I have recognized right away that her show wasn't about me or my tastes, it was about Beyonce and a huge moment in this life of this country where a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due on the biggest stage in the biggest spectacle that America can muster.

She did just fine.



No one has the right to diminish that.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:21 PM

1. Indeed. She did just fine.

K/R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:21 PM

2. Just read a column along those lines.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/davidhenson/2013/02/a-prophetic-dance-of-power-not-sex-beyonce-the-super-bowl-and-durga/

Because Beyoncé’s performance Sunday night in New Orleans wasn’t about sex. It was about power, and Beyoncé had it in spades. In fact, her show was one of the most compelling, embodied and prophetic statements of female power I have seen on mainstream television.

That a Black woman claimed and owned her power during the misogynist, consumerist celebration known as the Super Bowl only highlights Beyoncé’s brilliance and boldness.

It’s no wonder some people attempted to wrest back control over her and her body by marginalizing her performance by sexualizing it.

Was Beyoncé attractive, sexy even? To be sure. But more than anything, she was powerful. Few things are more threatening to a male audience than a beautiful, powerful woman who doesn’t need a man, or even a male gaze.

Perhaps folk didn’t consciously notice there wasn’t a single male performer on stage. But for those few minutes, there were no male voices and no male bodies in control, only women who refused to be owned. And it wasn’t women just dancing up there, though the cameras largely focused on that. The women onstage were creating, everything. They appropriated traditional male images and transformed them female ones — not women just imitating men. They were claiming roles and instruments traditionally held by men: the horns and saxophones, the pyrotechnic guitar solo.

They were fierce, but refused to be masculinized or objectified.


Lots more at the link.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:51 PM

130. I noticed that there were only women on stage the moment that I was watching it

It was signature moment and I'm sorry that there are others who find it necessary to rain on Beyonce's parade.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:05 PM

145. Love that, thanks!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:23 PM

3. k&r

They are all fabulous.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:24 PM

4. So if anyone did not like the music or the production value

it's only because she is "of color". No one has a right to critique her performance but you?

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:27 PM

7. Hm. The point you have missed, Yoda. nt

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:29 PM

9. There was no point to get.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:36 PM

22. This thread is a response to the other threads on DU today,

criticizing Beyonce for being not wearing enough clothing during the halftime show. Or for making music that old white guys don't like. Or something. Women (and women of color especially) get this kind of reaction all the time.

By the way, when does anyone at DU complain about the cheerleaders at pro football games? Never. What are the cheerleaders doing? Jumping up and down. What are they wearing? Not much. Why single out Beyonce for special criticism? I guess the cheerleaders are staying in their "place" and not drawing attention from the game.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:41 PM

27. The flip side of trying to shut down critiques is even worse

If you disliked the show or the music you're just a woman hating old white guy.... gotcha

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #27)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:39 PM

73. While your oversimplification of my previous comment is brilliant, right?

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:45 AM

180. Brandeis: The solution to bad speech is more speech not censorship (paraphrased)

Nobody is shutting down critiques and the text of your post is illogical. This thread adds more critique (positive and negative) and commentary, a fine thing.

"If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and
fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy
to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence." -- Supreme Court
Justice Louis D. Brandeis, in Whitney v. California, 1927

"Ignorance is the most violent element in society." Emma Goldman

Puritanism: "the haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy."
H. L. Mencken

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American
public." H. L. Mencken

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #22)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:32 PM

71. a bunch of old white women don't like that music either..

Just so we are complete here

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #71)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:36 PM

72. Lol. I'm an old punk rocker myself.

I guess I'm just surprised at the ease with which DUers find themselves bashing Beyonce, and not the whole overblown nightmare spectacle that is the Super Bowl itself.

I'm pretty sure a lot of the players aren't paragons of virtue.

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #71)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:12 AM

193. I am so with you -

I didn't like the music, the outfits or the stripper moves. I wouldn't have liked the show, had the same show been done by a white singer. For example, I did not care for Madonna's stripper show. And as for the show having all women, all I got from that was that it was for titillation purposes, not a demonstration of the power of women, either black or white. And for the love of all things wild and wonderful, next Superbowl, engage a sound engineer.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:03 PM

199. The costume she was wearing covered at least as much as those of many professional skaters and

dancers, including the Rockettes and those 1950's stars the June Taylor dancers.

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Response to Dollface (Reply #199)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:21 PM

203. Right! I mean, this is Beyonce's thing. It's what she does. It's not what I would do,

but I really don't get all the pearl-clutching. It's 2013. We've had scantily-clad women gyrating around on TV since the eighties and probably even before. Big whoop!

Addendum: Sure, you could make the case that this kind of performance objectifies women. But if you're going to make that case, then stop watching football. Women are objectified every time a game is on. Some of the commercials are far more offensive, misogynistic, and plain stupid than any costume Beyonce could ever come up with.

Be consistent, is what I'm saying. Or else be quiet.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:40 PM

25. Let me chime in for just a moment as a white guy who is a professional performer to say I have to

hold my tongue often on DU with music controversies because while there are many ways to criticize anything, down to every hair on a performer's head without being all racist, much of the objection to her, to Janet Jackson, and others is if not racist, at least fully unaware of how some of the crap they say sounds....
Look, lots of comments about 'that dance music' or 'the overproduced sound' the mention that there are dancers on the stage, many times these things are fucking codes even if the folks using them do not understand what they are saying. "I don't like that glossy dance sound, Beatles never needed dancers, I like good singers like these: insert photos of white girl singers here.
Again, it is perfectly possible to say that you thing Beyonce is a hack devoid of all skill without the subtext. Most comments about her are without that subtext. But some of them ARE all about that subtext.
Hell, I nearly went off DU when Michael Jackson died, not because of the many very diverse attitudes about the man, but because of comments about his music. One thread I will never forget had people talking about his last rehearsal song, the clip so many saw. The many, many comments about 'vapid dance music' and 'meaningless lyrics' and 'mindless pop' amazed me on DU, because the lyrics actually mention FDR and MLK Jr, the lyrics are powerful shit:
ell me what has become of my rights
Am I invisible because you ignore me?
Your proclamation promised me free liberty, now
I'm tired of bein' the victim of shame
They're throwing me in a class with a bad name
I can't believe this is the land from which I came
You know I really do hate to say it
The government don't wanna see
But if Roosevelt was livin'
He wouldn't let this be, no, no

Skin head, dead head
Everybody gone bad
Situation, speculation
Everybody litigation
Beat me, bash me
You can never trash me
Hit me, kick me
You can never get me

All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us
All I wanna say is that
They don't really care about us

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So I don't care if you though the man was evil, to claim that lyric is 'vapid dance music' means that the speaker can not hear the content of dance music, or of what they call 'dance music'.
Many people on DU called that very song 'empty minded, soulless, noting but rhythm.....'

I had to walk away from this place for a time over that. It was far too clear a picture of far too many of my own fellow when they claim to be listening to music, they are really just judging it by it's cover...

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:08 PM

56. I read you entire post here

Well said! Well said!

And I'm NOT a fan of Beyonce - I'm more Erykah Badu in the space and place - but anyone who has heard the song "One and One" knows she doesn't just do 'vapid' 'dance' music.

And ironically - the M.J. song you mentioned - is the only one I liked by him since I think the Bad CD came out. It's like he got good and pissed and started telling it like it is.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:43 PM

78. I dislike Madonna's music, Gaga too

and no, they are not black.

Why isn't it OK to simply not like the music and say so?

Edited to add that my music collection is about 85% female. Most of them write their own songs and play at least one instrument. Sorry if that's what I prefer.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:47 PM

83. Absolutely, popular music is full of codes and far more complex due to cultural status

of the ability to reach millions.

Ask any pop musician or any musician. They know how hard it is to make a hit happen. Very specific ingredients go into the pie and the semiotic scaffolding is a vector for issues in the culture.

heh heh used an ethnomusicology reference to confound. yes they study pop music.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:17 PM

103. MJ

It is incredibly sad that there are so many people in this world that fail to see the genius of Michael Jackson.

I am greatly saddened by his death because he was in fact a genius, a genius that came and was "Gone Too Soon" leaving behind three children and lots of unfinished business no doubt.

Many of the lyrics to MJ's songs need to be carefully read and interpreted and they certainly never will be forgotten, at least by me anyway.

Powerful shit you say. That is putting it lightly IMO.

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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #103)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:55 AM

169. Too bad he wasn't more active politcally before he was ripped away from us

The world would be a better place.

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Response to nightscanner59 (Reply #169)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:22 AM

176. He was politically active

MJ donated to the Obama for President campaign and if that is not political, I do not know what is.

He was far more involved in many charitable contributions, including:

On March 1, 1988, (on occasion of the United Negro College Fund's 44th dinner) at a press conference organized by his sponsor, Pepsi, in Manhattan, N.Y., he offers UNCF’s President and CEO, Christopher Edley a check for 600,000 dollars, the entire grossings from his private sold-out benefit concert held at Madison Square Garden in New York City (for the 42 UNCF institutions, including Fisk University), making him one of "UNCF"s most significant donators. The event featured children reading their dreams and wishes as Jackson looks on.

On May 22, 1988, he visits the Bambino Gesù Children's Hospital in Rome, Italy, where he signs autographed pictures and delivers sweets, records and moral comfort to the ill children, among whom 13-year old heart-transplant patient, Nunzia Glaccio. Jackson signs a check for 100,000 pounds to the hospital for leukemia research. While in Rome for his Bad Tour, he also visits the Sistine Chapel, the Vatican City, Saint Peter’s Cathedral, and other significant places.

On June 19, 1988, Michael Jackson is performing a concert during Bad World Tour at the Reichstag Building in Berlin, West Germany, before an audience of 50,000 people. Over 3,000 East Germans gather at the Berlin Wall to listen to Jackson performing on the other side of the Wall in West Berlin. The entertainer decided to perform at Reichstag to send out a message of peace and unity. The Berlin Wall was a barrier constructed by the German Democratic Republic between East Berlin and West Berlin which ran just behind Reichstag, from August 13, 1961, this completely cutting off West Berlin from surrounding East Germany and from East Berlin. The barrier included guard towers placed along large concrete walls, which circumscribed the death strip that contained anti-vehicle trenches, fakir beds and other defenses. The fall of the Wall started on the evening of November 9, 1989, and was the first step toward German reunification, which was formally concluded onOctober 3, 1990. Michael Jackson wrote a poem dedicated to this historic episode for his 1992 book, “Dancing The Dream”,titled simply: “Berlin 1989”.

In 1988, Jackson’s signed fedora is given away on occasion of a music celebrity auction advantaging the "T.J. Martell Foundation for Leukemia, Cancer and AIDS Research", the hat being sold for over 4,000 dollars.

much more here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/michael-jackson-charitable-contributions

Heal the World was a well-known one (I hope) ...

It is a shame that the world lost just a fine person who I believe did the best he could considering the hand he was dealt in his sad, too short of a life. I find what the press et al. did their best to ruin him and he knew it too.

I'll never forget him. And no, I never believed any of the lies surrounding him, never. It is sad that his reality was not known to the world. He was "one of the best people to hit the planet" in the words of his late friend Elizabeth Taylor.

Gone too soon indeed.


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Response to CountAllVotes (Reply #176)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:31 AM

179. world needs more

grown men that molest children and then hide behind thier celebrity and money to avoid punishment. Seems like Some du members think they have the right to decide what and who is acceptable in the pop music world, and make certain to bash anyone with the temerity to question the orders and absolutes of our resident neofeminist leaders and male haters. Someday even sexist neofeminists will have to stop treating men with this double standard and begin to see men as something other than objects to dehumanize and targets for female rage and vengeance. You have the right to claim to be interested in the formation of a fair, egalitarian society- but you don't have the right to your own special sexist assumptions replacing reality. The same sort of sexist assumptions and vengeance as the teabaggers; except the victims are men, so their victimization is acceptable and preferred by the feminism-as-vengeance crowd. No real difference between teabaggers and these extremists, but then again denying the humanity of the enemy is what extremists do.

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Response to sigmasix (Reply #179)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:29 AM

184. FYI

MJ was acquitted by a jury of his peers.

The reason he was acquitted was because he was no where near Neverland when the events occurred.

It was a racist attempt to take down a good man that happened to be black IMO.

Welcome to my ignore list.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:00 PM

144. AWESOME, AWESOME POST!

I too am disappointed in regressive nature of some many posts about Beyonce's show. Is this DU, the progressive site? What's up with these people? You can like Sinatra, or Billie or Sarah or the Beatles or country without disparaging what was a great extravaganza of a Superbowl halftime show, just what it's supposed to be. And all-women by the way.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:27 PM

5. K&R.

Now when are we gonna talk about how tight the football players' pants are? Because fair is fair.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:51 PM

42. Or, that Calvin Klein commercial.

You know. The one with the hunky, well-muscled guy in his underwear.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:16 PM

101. Disgusting.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #42)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:21 PM

106. More creepy than the guy in his skivies was the reaction of the ladies of Facebook to whose comments

I am privy. They were really liking the dehumanized lump of man meat. I thought I would have been skewered if I were to have talked similarly about Beyonce in here outfit, not that a gentleman would do such a thing. The whole sexualization of our culture is rampant and out of control.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM

87. Hey, I get sick of watching Frank Gore's bulky door knocker flop around as well. Desency is gone.

I think people in general should show less cleavage/bulge.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #87)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:16 PM

102. Okay with me as long as everyone gets held to the same standard! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:27 PM

6. oh for god's sake. there have always been rich powerful women in entertainment. beyonce is one

 

long line. in modern times such women can reveal more skin, but the sexual hook is still the same.

she is not a paragon of liberation.

that the media and certain feminists are portraying her as such is a sign of the absolute emptiness of modern feminism.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:31 PM

12. Oh, Hannah. Lighten up...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:38 PM

122. The OP was a joke?

Hardly. It was an indictment of the anyone who was critical of Beyonce's performance.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:36 PM

21. Yeah. I thought this was pretty funny from the article linked above...

a beautiful, powerful woman who doesn’t need a man, or even a male gaze.

So, tell me. What's with the titillating outfit?

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:43 PM

28. yep ! why the titillating outfit?

to use men, as though men using women isn't bad enough? Two wrongs make a right? That kind of thing.

Demeaning her talents is how it appeared to me.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:32 PM

116. it is EMPOWERING for women to dance like strippers!!!

WHY CAN'T WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT???

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Response to Skittles (Reply #116)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM

120. and who's pushing that load of crap, i wonder?

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #120)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 PM

124. it's the way of the world, HPD!!!

we gals cannot be on the playing field but we can certainly shake our booties on the sidelines or while performing and don't you see - that EQUALS the playing field!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #124)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM

126. all this orwellian bullshit frankly sickens me. 'embrace your sexuality by showing off some skin

 

for profit, it's so feminist and empowering'.

what a fucking crock.

it's what women have done back to the days of the courtesans.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #126)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:45 PM

128. *AND*

we are being told on a DEMOCRATIC BOARD we have to be OK WITH IT!!! The more things change the more they stay the same!!!!

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:41 PM

26. I'm with you on this one

simply ridiculous and demeaning. She has such talent, they all do, why do this with it?

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:17 AM

182. I always pose the question

Can you imagine Stevie Nicks parading around have naked?

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:49 PM

39. I agree

Mr. Scorp has a penchant for the dramatic.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #39)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:00 PM

51. I'm an artist

So sue me.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:52 PM

46. Burlap sacks for everyone!



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Response to HappyMe (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:09 PM

96. Sounds good. Fashion sucks.

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #96)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:33 PM

148. Fashion...

"Fashion is a form of ugliness so intolerable that we have to alter it every six months"

-Oscar Wilde




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Response to druidity33 (Reply #148)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:35 PM

149. love it. :) nt

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Response to HappyMe (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:27 PM

112. ridiculous post demonstrating that you have no argument whatsoever. to say that beyonce is

 

selling sex in her schtick is not to say there's something wrong with it or she should wear a sack.

just to note it's not some feminist liberation, just the usual with more skin.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #112)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:29 PM

113. Okay.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM

108. +1

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:29 PM

8. I could care less if she is black, white, blue or green

Her singing killed the performance for me, for it was wa y to fragmented. Jennifer Hudson on the other hand can really belt out the songs with a tremendous amount of soul. Alicia Keys isn't too shabby either. I will say though that with Alicia Key's talent on piano I would have loved to see her add a piano solo into her rendition of the star spangled banner. Would have made it even better

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Response to Livluvgrow (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:33 PM

14. Does anyone realize the superhuman stamina required to dance like that and sing?

90% of performers use a backing track, Brittney Spears always did.

Considering the stresses involved she did fine. She was also obliged to go fully live due to the inaugeration bruhaha

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:05 PM

55. do you realize the superhuman stamina needed to load bricks 8 hours a day, 5 days a week?

 

the stamina needed to dance less than 10 minutes pales beside it.

she's an entertainer. just an entertainer. not a paragon of liberation, not a bionic woman. she's just a fucking entertainer.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #55)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:11 PM

59. No it doesn't. The coordination of all of that is more taxing than a repetitive task nt

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:41 PM

76. 'more taxing'? bullshit. a repetitive task is more taxing because it uses the same muscle groups

 

over and over.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #76)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:43 PM

79. The brain has to coordinate about 2000 details in that performance

vs. about ten for the bricks person

Certainly you'd agree that the dance performance is more complex as it involves communication with hundreds of millions of people as well.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #79)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

84. complex is not more physically taxing nor does it require superhuman strength, which was the

 

original claim.

especially for a short performance.

nor does beyonce do anything that a typical chorus line dancer on broadway or on film can't do.

she's just an entertainer, and she's not famous because her dance skills are super-special.

'every generation throws a hero up the pop charts'

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM

88. I stick to my point because so few people can pull it off

She did but it impacted her vocals a bit. I'd say 10% can sing / dance at that level but only .001 can do it flawlessly.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #88)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:05 PM

92. plenty of people can pull it off. we pulled it off in my high school musical productions. broadway

 

dancer/singers pull it off, two performances a day every week.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #92)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:06 PM

93. not at that level!

ja ja whatever

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #93)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:12 PM

98. no, my HS musicals weren't at that level -- but broadway productions are -- and more.

 

the point is, it's no feat to sing and dance at the same time if you're in good health and not too old.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #98)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:53 AM

183. you obviously don't know much about professional dancing.

the wear and tear on professional dancers is tremendous, and the level of training is grueling. (btw, beyonce can sing and dance but there are many who can sing and dance better)

this fact does not preclude having empathy for people who work other types of grueling days jobs.

then there are the people who work mentally grueling day jobs.

we just need more empathy all around.

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Response to tomp (Reply #183)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:04 PM

197. why are you talking to me? i agree, professional dancers do grueling work. but beyonce is not

 

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a professional dancer.

she's a media personality who sometimes dances.

she has a better claim to being a professional singer than a dancer.

watch her superbowl show without sound & see how much she dances and how complex her dancing is.

not impressed.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #197)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 11:52 PM

213. she's a better dancer than others in her field....

....though i agree that ain't sayin' much. i'm not impressed either.

my issue was that you seemed to be saying that it was easy to "pull off" what professional dancers do. sorry if i misinterpreted.

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Response to tomp (Reply #213)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:05 AM

214. no, i respect the skill and athleticism of working dancers. but beyonce isn't that. she's a

 

singer with some dance training who became a media personality. she has some dance moves, but she's no working dancer.

i watched the video again; she spends most of the time striking poses, not dancing. the dance moves she does do are pretty routine (& dull, to my taste).

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:59 PM

86. A lot of Broadway performers do it 8 times a week.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:02 PM

89. Not with millions looking on

pressure involved

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #89)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM

94. Right. There's no pressure on a Broadway performer.

OK

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Response to progressoid (Reply #86)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:28 AM

217. For 90 to 180 minutes. Without a studio repaired track, and they do it well.

 

I've lived with actual professional dancers (as in women that earn their living dancing) and they never diet, they don't have personal trainers, and they never see the inside of a gym, because the don't need to. My last Dancer girlfriend was a featured performer in The Lion King in LA. She spent pretty much every waking moment, when not in rehearsal or a performance, trying to consume enough calories to keep her shape.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:39 PM

123. Okay, just watched this performance that's getting so much DU chatter

First, I'll start with what I thought were positives. I liked that her entire backing band were all women. That was cool and she actually be spoken about more than Beyonce.
2nd, I like that she brought the remaining members of Destiny's Child on stage with her. It shows she didn't forget where she came from.

Now, the things I want to, not necessarily criticize, but mention.

She really didn't sing that much--particularly when she was dancing. Counting out numbers, yelling at the crowd to "come on," are all just fillers to prove she is on a live mic. Her back-up singers did a lot more singing than she did. When she did sing, she wasn't bad, flat in a few spots, a little out of her register in a few others.

My particular problem though, is your assertion that she did something outstanding. As someone else mentioned, Broadway dancers/singers do at least 2 shows a day like 6 days a week. They do this all the time, they just don't get the recognition (or the money).

Another problem I have is how accepting some people are of the fact that it's quite all right for a singer to lip sync if they dance too. They're friggin' singers, who are sometimes very talented singers that put the "show" or the "performance" ahead of their talent. Give me Aretha Franklin everyday of the week and twice on Saturday and Sunday. Give me Adele, who stands in from of her mic and belts out a song so full of beauty and soul that it makes you want to cry--makes you devastated that a talent like that could lose her voice before she reaches her full potential.

Yeah, Beyonce put on a hell of a show. Good for her, that's her job but she does have talent and it's sad to see that talent often shunted so she can shake her ass in underwear because that's what's expected to sell records--funny how Aretha and Adele don't have to look like strippers to sell records or draw crowds though. And just FYI, I'm not suggesting women should have to wear burka's. I think women should be allowed to dress any old way they please but if I had a daughter and she wanted to emulate someone, I'd push her towards Adele over Beyonce.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #123)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM

127. Here is the point: this is DANCE music

and a lot of people don't like that. Plus, it's essentially derived from African dance, and a lot of people really have a problem with that because it's body hip wide stance feet planted fertility music. I'm not that into the pop music aspect but the dance is fabulous and agree that it was great to see all women as the backup band.

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Response to Livluvgrow (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:48 PM

36. And that is a fine critique. I think that is fair. Others have gone way over the top.

Still a great night for women.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:30 PM

10. Oh, people have the right to diminish it

They just look like petty jerks (at best) when they do it.

Nice post.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:09 PM

95. There sure are plenty doing that

That pretty much proves the point of why this was a moment culturally speaking

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:30 PM

11. Yay MrScorpio!

In fact I started collecting images to say something similar, mainly in response to those who felt they had to shield their children's eyes from the Beyonce spectacle.

I was going to compare the violence of football, and even the violence and twisted ads that use our American identities to sell us Ram trucks vs. a proud celebration of black dance aesthetic by a super talented crew.

You focus here more on something I didn't even know -- that women only own 1% of property in the world -- I suspect more than than that in the US! But it is obviously still cutting edge to have Beyonce do this performance, we're still a country that allows so much violence but when it comes to celebrating sensuality, and African American female beauty and physical artistry, that causes a furor.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:44 PM

31. K&R

+100000000000000000

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:31 PM

13. Sorry to disagree

The show showed beautiful, shapely and scantily clothed and talented women on the stage. I would prefer that we women showed our power through our minds and our accomplishments, not shaking our booties for the men folk. Trying to appease them so they won't be too threatened by those powerful ladies.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:36 PM

17. So traditional dances where women shake their stuff are just about kissing up to men?

I think women enjoy dancing and flaunting it. That's a requirement for performance of that kind of music and the idea is to make others want to dance too. Only in our culture it's disturbing to feel the hips so people disassociate themselves from the natural need to move and express the body.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:38 PM

23. Black women have hips

And most of them aren't afraid to use them.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:44 PM

32. Racist

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:47 PM

35. You go with that, Matt

I'd really love the publicity.

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:20 PM

104. Damn. You're serious, aren't you?

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Response to MattBaggins (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:57 PM

138. Dumb

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:27 PM

111. I'm a Jewish/Eastern European woman

and we do too. Have hips. and butts. Some of us have more than we asked for.

(Not that I'm always happy about that......but that's my personal preference)

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #111)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:02 AM

187. Ashkenazi Sista...?

I never would've guessed by your screen name!

As for the hips and butt...okay, I'll go with it! Although, as I've aged and the estrogen has left me like rats running away from a sinking ship, the hips have disappeared, leaving me at 6'1" looking like a praying mantis. I never thought I'd see the day when I wished for MORE junk in the trunk!

But I wish I'd had Beyonce as a fashion icon when I was growing up, instead of skinny gentile chicks like Farrah. I would have been a lot prouder of my booty.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:56 PM

48. Whooo! "I think women enjoy dancing and flaunting it."

This is gonna be good, because your overgeneralization and hoochi-fication is gonna cause - and deserves - a shitstorm.


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Response to Myrina (Reply #48)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:58 PM

49. Hmm. Exactly what is not okay about dancing and flaunting it?

In the context of a dance music spectacle which is what we're discussing -- why do people drag down dancing to strippers when it's all of our rights to enjoy ourselves dancing.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:09 PM

97. There are still many women who celebrate being a woman

& embrace the complimentary differences between men & women.

I know I'm a strong woman & I can be tough in my own way when I have to be, but I also like my femininity, too.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:36 PM

18. I see your point but

that change is going to have to take a long time even if it starts right now.

you cannot hold Beyonce responsible for all of history's ills. she is working the market as is her job as an entertainer. Change the market then she may well have to change her costumes.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:45 PM

33. Me too- what matters is what we do, not

how we look or titillate men.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:49 PM

38. Why can't we have Beyonce and Hillary? nt.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:04 PM

54. This was a powerful statement! For many years, I hated Madonna. As a woman, I thought

she did absolutely nothing for women except for set our causes back 40 years. I hated her music; I hated her voice. But I've come to realize that we women must stop apologizing for who we are. Beyonce says she likes to feel sexy onstage. I don't think she's doing it for men as much as she's doing it for herself and other women...particularly black women.

It as special significance for us as black women because our sexuality has often been demeaned. Beyonce and other black women like her remind us that we don't have to apologize for being black "with big hips" and beautiful.

I'm not a Beyonce fan at all. While I think she can sing, I also think she is one of the most overrated artists in a generation. However, she is absolutely gorgeous, she works incredibly hard, and she is her own woman. That says a lot in a time where black women especially are still denigrated for who we are. And that means a great deal.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:14 PM

60. Thank you for this post.

I am not the biggest fan of her art myself. At the same time I think it is very powerful and should at least be respected. Her work ethic is what really makes me a fan of her as a person. That is something to look up to.

Thank you for your post.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:50 PM

41. I agree

I have spent years teaching my nieces that they can be strong intelligent women who do not need to dress in certain ways or pander to men to be taken seriously. When I was young I had to put up with a lot of groping and "don't worry your pretty little head about things" attitude.

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Response to jehop61 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:45 AM

161. What did you think about the Calvin Klein ad?

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:33 PM

15. well said, thanks! They were beautiful

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:34 PM

16. that was pretty good, MrScorpio

yeh.

I'm not into her music either but that doesn't mean I want to take what she has away. That's crazy.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:36 PM

19. There was a reason why Jay-Z was not on stage during the show

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:36 PM

20. i didn't see it, but...

but because of that note where she names the people in her band, and because of that guitarist, i'm going to watch it and maybe even listen to her music when I get a chance.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:39 PM

24. a talented woman of color at the biggest event?

unprecedented!!



She did a decent job, but I would have liked to see a little more leg.

Maybe she just didn't flaunt it because she didn't have it.

Oh, and wiki tells me that somebody performed at a Superbowl in 1972

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ella_Fitzgerald

We've come a long way, baby.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #24)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:49 PM

129. You were a bit snarky, but your point is well taken.

There has been a long line of women of color performing at half time, as well. Some performing with others, some flying solo.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:43 PM

29. "a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color"


And Janet Jackson was not which one of those?

Other than the fact that Jackson is not blond?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:44 PM

30. Women own 1% of property? In the US women own $8 trillion in investible assets.

Since women generally outlive their husbands, elderly women control a very significant fraction of total assets.

Daughters also control significant assets in inherited trust funds. These are typically set up to ensure that their current husbands can't get their hands on the wealth.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:47 PM

34. Sorry Mr Scorpio

she failed in her costuming. She has so much talent, but those costumes were as disgusting as Madonna's and they demean us all.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:48 PM

37. There was a halftime show and/or commercials yesterday?

All I was thinking, as a Baltimore Ravens fan, was:

1st Half: "This is fucking awesome!"
2nd Half: "Please don't blow it.....please don't blow it....please don't blow it..."
Postgame: "WOO-to the fucking-HOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!"

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:49 PM

40. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!




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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:51 PM

43. Everywhere I'm looking now, I'm surrounded by your embrace...I can see your halo, halo, halo... :)

Remember those walls I built
Well, baby they're tumbling down
And they didn't even put up a fight
They didn't even make up a sound

I found a way to let you in
But I never really had a doubt
Standing in the light of your halo
I got my angel now

It's like I've been awakened
Every rule I had you breakin'
It's the risk that I'm takin'
I ain't never gonna shut you out

Everywhere I'm looking now
I'm surrounded by your embrace
Baby I can see your halo
You know you're my saving grace

You're everything I need and more
It's written all over your face
Baby I can feel your halo
Pray it won't fade away

I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo
I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo

Hit me like a ray of sun
Burning through my darkest night
You're the only one that I want
Think I'm addicted to your light

I swore I'd never fall again
But this don't even feel like falling
Gravity can't forget
To pull me back to the ground again

Feels like I've been awakened
Every rule I had you breakin'

The risk that I'm takin'
I'm never gonna shut you out

Everywhere I'm looking now
I'm surrounded by your embrace
Baby I can see your halo
You know you're my saving grace

You're everything I need and more
It's written all over your face
Baby I can feel your halo
Pray it won't fade away

I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo
I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo

I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo
I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo
Halo, halo

Everywhere I'm looking now
I'm surrounded by your embrace
Baby I can see your halo
You know you're my saving grace

You're everything I need and more
It's written all over your face
Baby I can feel your halo
Pray it won't fade away

I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo
I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo

I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo
I can feel your halo halo halo
I can see your halo halo halo

I didn't watch the super bowl, but I'm a Beyonce fan. She has a lot of fans & I'm one of 'em.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:51 PM

44. I'm not a Beyonce fan at all, but as an African American woman, I couldn't be prouder.

We control our own destiny! All women! Every woman! Women, period!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:51 PM

45. I've been looking for a reason to use this emote!

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:00 PM

143. And I've been looking for a reason to use this one...

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Response to ElboRuum (Reply #143)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:26 AM

154. Lmao. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:55 PM

47. I think Alicia Keyes was great, I think Jennifer Hudson was great I think Beyonce had

a horrible first half of the show and a decent second half. I also think Beyonce's outfit was in bad taste. I also thought Katy Perry's outfits worn on the campaign trail were in bad taste. Last I checked, she was white.

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Response to dsc (Reply #47)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:03 PM

90. Agreed. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:00 PM

50. So, the message is:

If you want everyone to know you for your voice and talent, you need to get on stage with half of your ass hanging out & dance like you're on a pole. Because that shows the world how truly in charge of yourself and your image you really are.

Riiiiiight .....

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Response to Myrina (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:03 PM

52. No, the message is that Janet Jackson was not young, talented, strong or African American

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Response to Myrina (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:24 PM

63. so true!!!!!

When is this ridiculousness going to end?

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Response to Myrina (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:37 PM

121. Exactly when and where was this "pole dancing" that certain people keep harping on?

I saw the performance twice and have yet to see anything resembling "pole dancing."

I think some of y'all are just projecting a bit of wishful thinking.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #121)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:32 AM

156. I also saw no pole, as a mentioned in a previous thread...

and if that was pole dancing... I guess I should just bring one with me everywhere I go cause honey that is how I dance.

Yes it's true... every Thursday you can find me at the Tilt-a-Whirl Drag Show... whaaaat. I am from the land of Pandora Boxx of course, hey girl!



Damn right?

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #156)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:24 AM

164. Is that you??!

LOVE the tights!!!!

ETA: I have two kids but even before then, I wish my waist could have been that tight and right

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Response to Number23 (Reply #164)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:26 AM

165. God no... If I did drag it would like a combination of...

Britney Spears during the umbrella incident years, and a wet/shaggy dog. That is just our famous local born and raised (although never seen around these parts anymore) Pandora Boxx from RuPaul's drag race.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #165)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:29 AM

166. Oh, I see. I'm in Australia and that show doesn't come on here, I don't think

I love me some RuPaul though.

Always loved that he was from Georgia and rocked blonde hair better than 99% of the white women I see trying to do the same.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #166)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:35 AM

167. For your entertainment :)



Well it might not be entertainment, but it is certainly drama.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #167)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:44 AM

168. Damn, RuPaul has not aged a SINGLE day!! What the hell does he do to himself to look like that?!

He is amazing and he's got to be in his late 40s by now, right??

And some of those chicks look so damn HOT! There was one that kind of looked like Grace Jones, another that kind of looked like Latoya Jackson and one that looked like Paris Hilton with much better bone structure. Gorgeous.

I just looked to see if it's playing here in Oz but I don't see it. Which is weird because they play every American tv show ever made here. They even play the damn Ms. America pageant here. This place is all kinds of weird.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:03 PM

53. Once again

I heart MrScorpio

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:09 PM

57. I didn't like it simply because I didn't think it was a great performance

Not that she isn't capable of putting on a great performance.

But last night, for me, was NOT it. I thought it was a gaudy and over the top performance (like most of the Super Bowl halftime shows, not just this one) that focused less on music and dancing than on shrieking and ass-shaking.

To each their own.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:09 PM

58. I think you saw something different than I did, of course.

But, I have recognized right away that her show wasn't about me or my tastes, it was about Beyonce and a huge moment in this life of this country where a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due on the biggest stage in the biggest spectacle that America can muster.



Gets her due for what??????

Dancing in high heels, in what is essentially a showgirl outfit?

Wow, that's something every woman should aspire to. The role model of role models, especially for women of color. I fail to see how this is any kind of breakthrough.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #58)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:25 PM

64. It is a breakdown and a demeaning of all women

what sort of a role model dresses like this and acts like this? Not one of mine.

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #64)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:05 PM

200. Perhaps you should look beyond her stage show.

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Response to Dollface (Reply #200)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:40 PM

206. Why?

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Response to kwassa (Reply #206)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:21 PM

208. Kids know more about their chosen role models than just what they do on stage.

There is probably more to the young lady than just cleavage and legs and a black leather dance costume.

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Response to Dollface (Reply #208)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:52 PM

210. Not my kid.

and if this is the first impression, why go any farther? I see no reason.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #210)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 02:36 PM

218. Your answer makes me kind of sad.

But it makes sense if she is not your kid's role model.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:38 AM

157. People should aspire to do whatever the hell they want to do.

There are 6+ billion of us out here... we are not all going to be exactly what you want us to be.

We are all different, none of us are the same.

My role model is going to be quite different then your's and yet you continue to direct me in what I should/should not aspire to be.

Have an open mind, have a little fun, loosen up, and buy a bottle of red for goodness sake.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #157)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:48 PM

207. I'm not directing you to aspire to anything.

I thought the show was inappropriate for my daughter, and I changed the channel.

I question Beyonce as any kind of role model, in any category except financial success.

Alicia Keys, on the other hand ...

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Response to kwassa (Reply #207)

Wed Feb 6, 2013, 12:13 AM

212. I agree with you

Not a role model for my daughter or anyone else's daughter either. I want girls to grow up with the idea that they can make the world a better place by using their brains, their hearts, their souls, by working hard together with others ....NOT by selling their bodies. And promoting the idea that power= sexual attractiveness is so out of date and regressive.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:14 PM

61. Beyonce - so electrfying, she caused a blackout!


So glad Beyonce stuck it to her critics and dazzled on Sunday. The vitriol sent in her direction post the Inauguration, showed how harsh we have all become as people.

As Jay-Z would say; 99 problems, singing ain't one!

Check out my blog:

http://obamadrama.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/any-given-sunday.html

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:15 PM

62. not a Beyonce fan .. not a professional sports fan .. it's all about $$$ .. it's BS

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:25 PM

65. Wasn't she using her body to sell her music?

I wonder if people would buy the sound track of the performance without the eye candy. If she promised to cover it up, they likely would have chosen another artist.

I don't want to get on the wrong side of feminists here, but if she was working a strip club in those clothes, people would say she's objectifying and demeaning women everywhere, or more accurately, that the club owner and mindlessly drooling customers are.

Personally, I don't care for her music, but that clearly doesn't mean it's bad. I just see a double standard in what I viewed as a T&A show. That's alright with me as a heterosexual man, but midway through I was wondering what the show offered to women, children, and those who may not have been watching the game hoping to be sexually aroused.

Is she considered a role model for little girls, but Barbie isn't? I'd rather my daughter (if I had one) be an airline pilot or stay at home mom anyday before she dressed like that and shook it for the cameras. On edit: I really liked that guitar player. Thanx for telling her name, I'd never heard of her.

BTW... That 1% figure is deceiving. it obviously doesn't count the percentage of women who jointly own property with a spouse.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:40 AM

158. As a response to your question...

"I wonder if people would buy the sound track of the performance without the eye candy."

Yes. I am a gay man I could care less about the eye candy, I love the music.

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Response to Agschmid (Reply #158)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:38 AM

172. While I don't care much for hip hop...

..that doesn't mean she's not talented, as I pointed out earlier.

I felt this was a case of "video killed the rock star" kind of performance though, where songs that may not have enough appeal can chart because of an enticing video (lookin' at you David Lee Roth).

I'm pretty old, and still use a huge 40 year old Sansui component stereo with Bose speakers, so music to me isn't on an iPad or earbuds. If you say you could crank up and listen to that performance for 20 minutes without watching visuals, we just differ in musical preference. I don't think I'd make it that long.

BTW... While I appreciated Madonna's show (the music) last year, I was very disappointed in The Who the year before, and they're my favorite band since I was a kid. I just didn't care for the set Sunday, but I didn't take my eyes off the screen. After, I felt a bit guilty, like I'd been used by a vamp. That's just me (and some others) though.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:27 PM

66. Excellent!

K & R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:27 PM

67. I'm not sure I understand.

Are you saying that, because Beyonce is black and a woman, I should not critically analyze her work? Her art isn't important, just her, and not even her, but her race and gender, are the "important" things here? Her performance is not about us, the audience, the reason for the entire spectacle; it's about her?

I disagree with everything you said.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:28 PM

68. Beyonce' is very talented. However..

...shaking her ass in a closeup, wearing fishnet stockings and "ankle breaking" high heels can only represent women as eye candy. Hardly a feminist "empowerment" message.

As for her success, don't forget that nepotism got her into the business. There are many very talented women out there we will never know about because they don't have daddy connections to the industry.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:29 PM

69. I missed the entire Super Bowl by choice.

But I've seen here more than one post about women wearing whatever they want. What happened? Going by the pics that you posted, I see nothing wrong with what they were wearing.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:32 PM

70. Let's not forget

it's those testosterone laden males that want to see women like that because they see women only as sex objects instead of intelligent beings. And when you give those testosterone laden males what they want, you are helping to perpetuate the problem.

This is the highest and most attractive type of woman, a woman of intellect, possessing an attractiveness a woman of sexual wiles can only wish they could reach:



This? This is kid's stuff:



So tired of the whiners using the excuse of being "a very sexual person" when they are really falling back on physicality and the attention of Neanderthal, brainless man-whores because they really have no intellect to work with in the first place.





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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:39 PM

74. Far as I'm concerned, there was a musical act that didn't target my demographic.

And so I skipped it. Happens all the time.

Nothing against Ms Knowles. I just don't like dance-pop.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:40 PM

75. No complaints here.

It's not my preferred music, either, but the ladies were gorgeous & put on a dynamic show.

It didn't even register in my mind that all the performers were women of color until now; I just enjoyed the show.

I'm pretty sure I'll never evolve into an old fuddy-duddy like the ones I've seen on DU. Complaining isn't in my nature unless there's a damn good reason for it.

Good post, Mr. Scorpio.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:42 PM

77. very well said!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:44 PM

80. A well thought out opinion I can respect, as a woman

TY, Mr Scorpio.
I've been staying out of the discussions for many reasons, not least of which because I didn't watch the show.

I spent the afternoon at an opera telecast from The Met, and immediately afterwards an evening in my son's livingroom devoted to showcasing young unknown singer-songwriters (such as his wife). The latter were recorded on the spot, and a talent scout was there. Anyway, they were not Beyonce, nor was it Aida, but I adore live music and they were all local, fresh and good.

That's the opinion I am qualified to give. And I thank you for yours.

Hekate

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:44 PM

81. Fully clothed? The whole world saw that she waxes her pubes.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #81)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:13 PM

202. You must have a really big TV and excellent vision. All I saw were some serious tights/support hose.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:46 PM

82. Wow. I think what I really got her from her performance is that she wanted me to

put my hands together.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:58 PM

85. Oh stop it. Beyonce is an average talent who has been packaged as a pop superstar

You do a disservice to the many, many other women of color who have built mega successful careers in this business with real talent and drive.

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Response to Maven (Reply #85)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:04 PM

91. This.

She wan't even the most talented woman of color performing yesterday. She is, however, the most conventionally attractive.

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Response to Maven (Reply #85)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:13 PM

99. and many equally or more-talented black women who *don't* have 'mega-successful careers'.

 

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Response to Maven (Reply #85)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:44 AM

185. Tina Turner FTW!!!

Spot on Maven

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:14 PM

100. That girl TORE IT UP. And she KNEW it. So sorry that so many here would seem to prefer the corpse

of Tom Petty/Bob Dylan/other aged white person than this gorgeous, talented young woman.

Now, if only we could convince her to get rid of that blonde weave...

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Response to Number23 (Reply #100)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:22 PM

107. this ^


I love dancing I've been known to attempt to imitate dance moves like hers in the privacy of my own home. It feels good to find new ways to move. Everything in the media giving health advice boils down to move your body but they rarely mention how great it is to dance for exercise. No we're supposed to go do the treadmill

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #107)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:42 AM

159. So you've tried Zumba right? It's awesome. n/t

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Response to Number23 (Reply #100)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM

110. Teach it! nt

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Response to Number23 (Reply #100)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:30 PM

115. The big blonde weave is one of my issues with her.

as my FIL said, "What do you mean it's not her hair? She paid for it!"

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Response to kwassa (Reply #115)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:34 PM

117. I don't like the 'message' of that weave but what really annoys me is that as gorgeous as she is

with it, she is EXPONENTIALLY more beautiful when her hair is darker. As I find is the case with most women.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #117)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:32 PM

135. what bothered me about some of the promos I saw was ...

They were silhouettes of her flinging her long locks one way or another. Considering what an artificial consruct they are, is this something young black girls should aspire to?

Not for this parent, anyways.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:20 PM

105. Thanks for the infographic. SuperBowl performances are for that audience.

Of which I am not one. And media culture goed for the money. Nothing new. NOMB.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:24 PM

109. In. deed.

Thank you.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:30 PM

114. Meh...

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:35 PM

118. Please explain what you mean: "No one has the right to diminish that."

How do you define "diminishing that"?

I actually DO have the right to say what I thought of her music, her performance, and the significance of the moment--even if I was less than impressed.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:36 PM

119. Someday, we will be able to criticize a musical performance based on its merits...

... and not be accused of being sexist or insensitive.

Beyonce has been a megastar for quite some time. Her performance last night was something less. On an absolute scale, on a level playing surface, with no caveats, excuses, or historical comparisons.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 PM

125. Yes. This.

I agree, wholeheartedly!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:59 PM

131. K&R

She represents the generation that followed the likes of Janet Jackson and Tina Turner (in terms of performance style).

Janet Rhythm Nation tour - 23 years ago -



Ike & Tina Turner - 42 years ago -



The style really hasn't changed....

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:59 PM

132. i enjoyed her performance

and the fact that she had all-female musicians and dancers! not at all mad at her for showcasing her assets. it's funny that a few minutes of over-the-top hyper-femininity during hours of over-the-top masculinity (aka, football) should cause so many comments.
continue to kiss ass, Beyonce!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:06 PM

133. But, but,...get off my lawn! Lol

Thank you Scorpio!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

134. Being different doesn't diminish that which one differentiates from. I'm not slut-shaming anyone.

That kind of performance just simply didn't suit my tastes.

I don't hold that against anyone; it appears that you do.

We are different.

I haven't said much about this here, because I don't want to be stereotyped in the manner that you just did in OP.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:46 PM

136. I don't care what she wore or didn't wear. Or how she danced.

I just thought the "performance" sucked. She hardly sang at all, and when she did, it was less than impressive. As far as singing ... She's no Whitney Houston. As far as dancing ... she's no Janet Jackson either.

Bake

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:57 PM

137. Very happy you liked her performance..

That said...I don't like her "music" her "dancing" or anything else about her. You brought up the word "slut". Well, if you act like one, the link will probably be made. You think I'm a racist? Jump right on, but I'm not; black performers just stopped singing to me, like, when the Temptations and Fifth Dimension and Dione Warwick stopped recording. It's about age and upbringing. I managed to hang on to popular music through the 80's and thought I was doing pretty well. Then came this new stuff; and it lost me permanently. So like I said, happy you liked it, but my rights remain and as far as I know do not include a prohibition on being profoundly unimpressed by Super Bowl halftime shows

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:39 PM

139. Hear, Hear!

K&R

I don't know what it is about DU. You love the place, and sometimes, you hate the place. What makes us so damn judgmental about 10-15 minutes of intense entertainment? Beyonce did do just fine. It may have only lasted 10-15 minutes. but I guarantee you she worked many months on the whole production, and probably 'pertneer' a year. She put her heart and soul into it. Hell, she had a baby within the last year, for Christ's sake. Any woman who had a baby in the last year and looks like that needs to be praised!


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:53 PM

140. Two points

Where were all the psuedo feminists types when Madonna had her classless, sex laden, racial cliche filled show? That's right, none can critique Madonna.

And how much you want to bet that Super Bowl shows are all white, all 60's types now. I bet they get Bob Dylan for next year.

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #140)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:53 PM

204. Logical fallacy: the "fact" that these people who may, OR MAY NOT, be pseudo feminists "didn't"

critique Madonna, doesn't mean that "none can critique" her. If it were true, it would mean ONLY that they didn't; they may or may not have actually been capable of negative critiquing Madonna, we don't actually know which - whether they can or cannot, all we would know, if they didn't, is that they didn't and that might have had much more to do with opportunity than with their ability to do so.

And, actually, we don't even know that they didn't criticize Madonna, since there has been no search of all responses to Madonna's performance to show whether there was or was not, in fact, any negative evaluation of her. (BTW, I do seem to recall quite a bit of negative reaction, but I didn't care enough then, nor do I now, to go find that for you.)

Let's just let it stand at: it's highly improbable, out of the possibly millions of evaluations of Madonna's performance that there were no negative critiques, but . . . just for the sake of your case, even if it were true that there were no negative critiques of Madonna, that still would not necessarily mean that "none (of those who criticize) can critique Madonna". They might have been able to; they might not have been able to. We don't know which. If your hypothesis is true, all we do know is that they didn't.

It's also interesting that out of the millions of responses to Madonna's performance, those responses that were negative were apparently a whole lot less problematic to a whole lot more people than the negative reactions to the current Super half-time show. Is that because "none (could) critique" those Madonna critiques or because they just didn't criticize Madonna's negative critics?

And the answer to that last question may have something to do with the fact that you think there were no negative Madonna critics at all and that ALL responses to Madonna were praise.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:35 PM

141. I don't do the superbowl and I'm about to go to work (12 hour)

but as soon as I can, I will find a copy of the halftime show and watch it. And yeah, it was full of strong, black women. That can't help but be a good thing.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:39 PM

142. I find your post to be both racist and sexist.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #142)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:11 PM

146. I misplaced my keys

Can you find those too?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:23 PM

147. Jeepers, I'm 63 years old, and I think Beyonce is really keen!

Her show was a real blast, and I really dug her classy chassis.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #147)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:10 PM

201. Now that was funny. The last time I heard 'keen' was about 1963.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:54 PM

150. Finally, a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due

at the Superbowl.

I'm sure Janet Jackson (SB XXXVIII), Diana Ross (SB XXX), Patti LaBelle (SB XXIX) (not young) and Gloria Estefan (SB XXVI) (not "of color") were proud to see it.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:59 PM

151. This is not a criticism,

but I personally did not see "a woman of color." I hear that a lot but I feel Ladies like those on stage have surpassed any labels other than "a very big act" and a bunch of beautiful, talented Women.
I was also impressed by the guitarist.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:18 AM

152. When you sing at the inauguration and headline the Super Bowl halftime you are American royalty.

 

The woman is on top of the world and there will always be people condescending of pop music.

But please do not turn her into someone that needs to be defended. That's so weak. I really dislike when men do that to women.

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Response to dkf (Reply #152)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:49 AM

175. +1 nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:22 AM

153. Great post! Thanks! n/t

I hate seeing that word even used... but if it is to be used at least your not calling her one some like on DU were last night.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:28 AM

155. Talent? Give me a freaking break. I just returned from an orchestra rehearsal

for my orchestra's annual praise choir performance in celebration of Black History month. It is our 14th year by the way. I only mention that because some black folks are probably itching to paint my comments with a race brush.

Anyway, this concert features a performance of Gershwin's piano concerto in F. The first movement is performed by one of the legendary artists in the black community in our region. And the third movement is performed by a young man I have just met in the past 4 weeks by mentoring at his high school. He is a Senior and this kid has more musical talent in his pinkie than that Beyonce girl will ever know. And yes, he happens to be black. What about it?

Here is a performance of that piece so you can have a little perspective on what it means for a high school senior to play this brilliantly.


Black folks bring disgrace upon themselves when they celebrate the wrong people. There are geniuses in the African-American community, just like everywhere else. Beyonce ain't one of them. Puh-leese.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #155)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:48 AM

163. Just my opinion, but I think there's room in the world of music for.....

....outstanding talent in all genres.

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Response to BlueStreak (Reply #155)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:07 AM

170. "Black folks bring disgrace upon themselves when they celebrate the wrong people"

Why don't you be so kind as to tell those of who are black who are the RIGHT people for us to celebrate?

Since apparently we are too stupid to know for ourselves, which is the thrust of your post to Mr. Scorpio (a black man) celebrating Beyonce (a black woman).

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Response to Number23 (Reply #170)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:29 AM

171. agreed #23

I am not a Beyonce fan but everyone has different tastes. I respect her success, don't doubt her talent, and highly respect her support of the President's reelection. Not getting the Bey-hate AT ALL.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #170)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:10 AM

189. It isn't just black folks, of course

I apologize for saying that the way it came off. EVERY group brings disgrace upon itself when they celebrate people that exploit sex and crassness when there are true giants right there that go unnoticed.

The same things could be said about Kid Rock or any number of others. And if Kid Rock came out at the Super Bowl halftime wearing nothing but a cod piece, strutting around and barely singing, I'd expect people to take him to task the same way they are criticizing Beyonce.

But of course you can make your own choices. That was my point, after all. Our choices define who we are.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:44 AM

160. Nicely put!

 

People need to lay off her.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:46 AM

162. Meanwhile the Republicans...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251283843

Is that Beyonce's fault.... hmm?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:41 AM

173. This is a most excellent post.

Thank you for saying it so forthright

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:46 AM

174. do they really show any more skin than the "wholesome" cheerleaders

Or average pageant contestant? A lot of this pout-rage sounds like racist .BS to me.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 03:49 AM

177. In a spectacle where 22 bulked-up dudes run around in spandex pants...

...with enough ink on their arms to fill an Encyclopaedia Britannica, Beyonce and her all-female crew classed up the joint.

They were terrific.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:19 AM

178. Poutrage is an ugly thing.

I have been there and done that. Now hopefully I am a wiser person. I realize that people don't need to conform to my standards. I think we need to just lay off people in general. There are a lot bigger problems in the world than a revealing outfit. We should save our outrage for the truly outrageous. You know like people shooting each other for no reason. Or the fact that 1% of the people in this country own more than half of everything. Or that our food is contaminated by GMO's, antibiotics, and growth hormones. And we have no real oversight, the FDA and the EPA have become a joke and aren't really accountable to the general public.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:50 AM

181. I believe the show fit the venue perfectly

Football is about glitz and glamor and wealth and showbiz. It shows men in their prime being worshipped by the population as they bash and smash their way across a field. The entertainment fit the entire illusion to a 'T', bringing sex into play as also being glitz and glamor.

Violence and sex taken to extremes. A winning combination.

Too bad so many football players suffer horrible head and body injuries that shorten their lives considerably. Just last week there was considerable talk about the brain damage and brain diseases so many football players suffer from. But come Superbowl time, it's all forgotten.

For an outsider like me it looks a lot like the Roman Coliseum games. They loved their gladiators too.



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Response to lunatica (Reply #181)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:12 AM

190. Perhaps the truest words uttered on this subject.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #181)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:58 PM

196. hyper-femininity on steriods

is the perfect accompaniment to hyper-masculinity on steroids. i am not a big football fan, but enjoyed Beyonce's performance.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:58 AM

186. So very powerful!1!

When a woman doesn't have to dress & dance like a stripper to gain "powerful woman" status, then yeah, there's real power there. I think allowing one's self to be totally sexualized is hardly a bold contribution to the cause of women. Sorry.


Julie

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:54 AM

191. I love this, MrScorpio. Thanks so much for posting.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:01 AM

192. I sometimes think I'm the only person on Earth that likes football for football

and wish the over hyped generally bland Super Bowl half-time never existed. Then again it does give you a chance to take a leak, grab some wings before the games second half starts. I think what people fail to realize is that many of the Super Bowls the past 10 years have actually been close exciting games

The sports radio guy said it all about Beyonce... women, men everyone likes her. She didn't even sing that much and no one seems to mind much. Trying to over read this as a race, beauty or power for woman thing seems a bit much but more power to yah if the football ain't enough for you.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #192)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:37 AM

195. I didn't like

the show. I don't give a hoot what color she is.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 11:35 AM

194. I don't like Beyonce or her style of entertainment, it has

nothing to do with her being black or any other color. I just don't like her style of entertainment. Since when do we have to justify why we do or do not like something? Did I take a wrong turn and click on the wrong board or something? Oh and I don't like football either, and it has nothing to do with their tight uniforms. So now everyone tell me how I am so bad and a racist or whatever.

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Response to madmom (Reply #194)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:53 PM

198. plus, she isn't a nice person

 

The New York Times had an article about when she was in the hospital having her baby. Her security people kept other new parents from their own children to "protect her privacy."

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:00 PM

205. I'm kind of disappointed that people are being called "pseudo-feminists" if they disagree with you.

Personally, I continue to see evidence of fascism in what calls itself "Feminism".

I hope that isn't true, but I also cannot lie: if the price of admittance to what calls itself the "feminist" movement is that I and/or we lie about what I and/or we think and feel, that's really going to be too bad for feminism as a movement, whether I identify with it or not.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:27 PM

209. I missed the halftime show (and most of the game) because I had to work...

...but I'll be damned if this didn't make me seriously regret missing Beyonce's performance.

She's a Texan, she's fierce, and she proved on that stage she's got it going on.

Thank you, MrScorpio.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 10:58 PM

211. What - women of color moment?

 

It was the Super Bowl - if not for the "testosterone laden entertainment and the controlled violence of professional football" this halftime show would have been viewed by a fraction of fraction of people during any other day/time/slot.

This was not unusual either, women of color have always represented at the Super Bowl.
1972 Super Bowl - salute to Louis Armstrong - Ella Fitzgerald among performers.
1975 - Salute to Duke Ellington, Grambling Marching Band performs
1982 - Salute to MOTOWN
1995 - Patti LaBelle
1996 - Diana Ross
1998 - Another Motown tribute, Queen Latifah, Martha Reeves among performers.

Toni Braxton, Mary J. Blige (personal fav!) Janet Jackson....
And I'm sure i'm leaving MANY out over the years.
No - what happened was a football game that millions tuned in to see, and Beyonce won the lottery gig of her life.
Good - no, great for her. Better her than 100 other artists I can think of. At least she is talented and can keep my attention versus a...Rolling Stone band 30 years past prime.
But what occurred was a FOOTBALL game.
That's why people tuned in.
Take away the game, you take away the moment.
All the fuss over the freakin' HALFTIME show is like obsessing over a candy wrapper on the floor of a house on Hoarders.
It's a sideshow to the reason everyone came/watches/buys ads/has parties.
You may not like it - but football is the reason everyone gathered Sunday.
Not a halftime show.

Beyonce FAN


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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:12 AM

215. If she's upset because she's not the most awesome performer we've ever seen...

She can take some of her $300 million in net worth and hire a therapist because I just don't give a fuck.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 7, 2013, 12:16 AM

216. Tina Turner has been known for her singing/dancing/legs since I can remember

and I don't remember this much of a negative fuss being made about her. Maybe it's just because there were kids watching this halftime show...? I can remember when "they" accused Prince of using his guitar to look like like an extension of his penis in his halftime performance a few years ago. Really.

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