Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:19 PM

MrScorpio (55,316 posts)

Frankly, I'm sorry that many of us failed to realize what occurred at the Super Bowl last night

In much of this world, even in America, being a woman… Especially a woman of color, puts you at a significant disadvantage.

After all, women only own 1% of the world's property:

And in this world, where slut shaming is the norm, of course it happens to a young, attractive woman of color, who just happened to be fully clothed.

This is in spite of the fact that the Super Bowl has set the precedence for testosterone laden entertainment and the controlled violence of professional football.

But last night, the event was replete with women of color. Strong talented women, who own their own bodies, expressing themselves the way that saw fit. If no one having the right to slut shame them, or diminish their accomplishments or accusing them of not being worthy of being who, what and where they were, doing what they were doing.

Beyonce made of point of filling the stage that she was on with beautiful and talented women of color, like her lead guitarist, Bibi McGill:

And in a world that so callously rewards women who show the same disrespect and animosity towards each other, Beyonce was having none of that:

So, I'm sorry if some of us here were disappointed with last night's events. Perhaps, the music was to their taste. I can understand that, to each their own. Of perhaps, loud and over-choreographed spectacles over the span of a few minutes, that are supposed to over-stimulate the senses are supposedly out of place in a venue entitled with the modest moniker of "THE SUPER BOWL."

Perhaps, the sight of a young, strong, talented woman of color… Actually, entire STAGE full of them was just a little too much to take for some:

But you know what?

I was happy to see things the way they were. No, I'm not some huge fan of Beyonce's music. I'm a DJ, as some of us here know, and her music is not something that I would play on my show… I have different tastes myself, other than that of popular music.

But, I have recognized right away that her show wasn't about me or my tastes, it was about Beyonce and a huge moment in this life of this country where a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due on the biggest stage in the biggest spectacle that America can muster.

She did just fine.

No one has the right to diminish that.

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Frankly, I'm sorry that many of us failed to realize what occurred at the Super Bowl last night (Original post)	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	OP
Indeed. She did just fine.	Autumn	Feb 2013	#1
Just read a column along those lines.	Brickbat	Feb 2013	#2
I noticed that there were only women on stage the moment that I was watching it	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	#130
Love that, thanks!!	PeaceNikki	Feb 2013	#145
k&r	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#3
So if anyone did not like the music or the production value	MattBaggins	Feb 2013	#4
Hm. The point you have missed, Yoda. nt	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#7
There was no point to get.	MattBaggins	Feb 2013	#9
This thread is a response to the other threads on DU today,	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#22
The flip side of trying to shut down critiques is even worse	MattBaggins	Feb 2013	#27
While your oversimplification of my previous comment is brilliant, right?	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#73
Brandeis: The solution to bad speech is more speech not censorship (paraphrased)	Bernardo de La Paz	Feb 2013	#180
a bunch of old white women don't like that music either..	snooper2	Feb 2013	#71
Lol. I'm an old punk rocker myself.	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#72
I am so with you -	LibertyLover	Feb 2013	#193
The costume she was wearing covered at least as much as those of many professional skaters and	Dollface	Feb 2013	#199
Right! I mean, this is Beyonce's thing. It's what she does. It's not what I would do,	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#203
Let me chime in for just a moment as a white guy who is a professional performer to say I have to	Bluenorthwest	Feb 2013	#25
I read you entire post here	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2013	#56
I dislike Madonna's music, Gaga too	Beaverhausen	Feb 2013	#78
Absolutely, popular music is full of codes and far more complex due to cultural status	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#83
MJ	CountAllVotes	Feb 2013	#103
Too bad he wasn't more active politcally before he was ripped away from us	nightscanner59	Feb 2013	#169
He was politically active	CountAllVotes	Feb 2013	#176
world needs more	sigmasix	Feb 2013	#179
FYI	CountAllVotes	Feb 2013	#184
AWESOME, AWESOME POST!	brush	Feb 2013	#144
K&R.	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#5
Or, that Calvin Klein commercial.	GoCubsGo	Feb 2013	#42
Disgusting.	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#101
More creepy than the guy in his skivies was the reaction of the ladies of Facebook to whose comments	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#106
Hey, I get sick of watching Frank Gore's bulky door knocker flop around as well. Desency is gone.	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#87
Okay with me as long as everyone gets held to the same standard! nt	Chorophyll	Feb 2013	#102
oh for god's sake. there have always been rich powerful women in entertainment. beyonce is one	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#6
Oh, Hannah. Lighten up...nt	SidDithers	Feb 2013	#12
The OP was a joke?	Buzz Clik	Feb 2013	#122
Yeah. I thought this was pretty funny from the article linked above...	Luminous Animal	Feb 2013	#21
yep ! why the titillating outfit?	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#28
it is EMPOWERING for women to dance like strippers!!!	Skittles	Feb 2013	#116
and who's pushing that load of crap, i wonder?	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#120
it's the way of the world, HPD!!!	Skittles	Feb 2013	#124
all this orwellian bullshit frankly sickens me. 'embrace your sexuality by showing off some skin	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#126
AND	Skittles	Feb 2013	#128
I'm with you on this one	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#26
I always pose the question	Ghost of Tom Joad	Feb 2013	#182
I agree	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#39
I'm an artist	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	#51
Burlap sacks for everyone!	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#46
Sounds good. Fashion sucks.	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#96
Fashion...	druidity33	Feb 2013	#148
love it. :) nt	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#149
ridiculous post demonstrating that you have no argument whatsoever. to say that beyonce is	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#112
Okay.	HappyMe	Feb 2013	#113
+1	leftstreet	Feb 2013	#108
I could care less if she is black, white, blue or green	Livluvgrow	Feb 2013	#8
Does anyone realize the superhuman stamina required to dance like that and sing?	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#14
do you realize the superhuman stamina needed to load bricks 8 hours a day, 5 days a week?	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#55
No it doesn't. The coordination of all of that is more taxing than a repetitive task nt	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#59
'more taxing'? bullshit. a repetitive task is more taxing because it uses the same muscle groups	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#76
The brain has to coordinate about 2000 details in that performance	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#79
complex is not more physically taxing nor does it require superhuman strength, which was the	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#84
I stick to my point because so few people can pull it off	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#88
plenty of people can pull it off. we pulled it off in my high school musical productions. broadway	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#92
not at that level!	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#93
no, my HS musicals weren't at that level -- but broadway productions are -- and more.	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#98
you obviously don't know much about professional dancing.	tomp	Feb 2013	#183
why are you talking to me? i agree, professional dancers do grueling work. but beyonce is not	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#197
she's a better dancer than others in her field....	tomp	Feb 2013	#213
no, i respect the skill and athleticism of working dancers. but beyonce isn't that. she's a	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#214
A lot of Broadway performers do it 8 times a week.	progressoid	Feb 2013	#86
Not with millions looking on	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#89
Right. There's no pressure on a Broadway performer.	progressoid	Feb 2013	#94
For 90 to 180 minutes. Without a studio repaired track, and they do it well.	Egalitarian Thug	Feb 2013	#217
Okay, just watched this performance that's getting so much DU chatter	justiceischeap	Feb 2013	#123
Here is the point: this is DANCE music	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#127
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Feb 2013	#188
And that is a fine critique. I think that is fair. Others have gone way over the top.	NCTraveler	Feb 2013	#36
Oh, people have the right to diminish it	alcibiades_mystery	Feb 2013	#10
There sure are plenty doing that	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#95
Yay MrScorpio!	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#11
K&R	Ivywoods55	Feb 2013	#31
Sorry to disagree	jehop61	Feb 2013	#13
So traditional dances where women shake their stuff are just about kissing up to men?	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#17
Black women have hips	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	#23
Racist	MattBaggins	Feb 2013	#32
You go with that, Matt	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	#35
Damn. You're serious, aren't you?	Number23	Feb 2013	#104
Dumb	noiretextatique	Feb 2013	#138
I'm a Jewish/Eastern European woman	BlancheSplanchnik	Feb 2013	#111
Ashkenazi Sista...?	pink-o	Feb 2013	#187
Whooo! "I think women enjoy dancing and flaunting it."	Myrina	Feb 2013	#48
Hmm. Exactly what is not okay about dancing and flaunting it?	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#49
There are still many women who celebrate being a woman	pacalo	Feb 2013	#97
I see your point but	Whisp	Feb 2013	#18
Me too- what matters is what we do, not	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#33
Why can't we have Beyonce and Hillary? nt.	NCTraveler	Feb 2013	#38
This was a powerful statement! For many years, I hated Madonna. As a woman, I thought	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2013	#54
Thank you for this post.	NCTraveler	Feb 2013	#60
I agree	Mojorabbit	Feb 2013	#41
What did you think about the Calvin Klein ad?	Apophis	Feb 2013	#161
well said, thanks! They were beautiful	we can do it	Feb 2013	#15
that was pretty good, MrScorpio	Whisp	Feb 2013	#16
There was a reason why Jay-Z was not on stage during the show	thelordofhell	Feb 2013	#19
i didn't see it, but...	Enrique	Feb 2013	#20
a talented woman of color at the biggest event?	hfojvt	Feb 2013	#24
You were a bit snarky, but your point is well taken.	Buzz Clik	Feb 2013	#129
"a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color"	jberryhill	Feb 2013	#29
Women own 1% of property? In the US women own $8 trillion in investible assets.	FarCenter	Feb 2013	#30
Sorry Mr Scorpio	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#34
There was a halftime show and/or commercials yesterday?	Tommy_Carcetti	Feb 2013	#37
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!	WillyT	Feb 2013	#40
Everywhere I'm looking now, I'm surrounded by your embrace...I can see your halo, halo, halo... :)	mother earth	Feb 2013	#43
I'm not a Beyonce fan at all, but as an African American woman, I couldn't be prouder.	Liberal_Stalwart71	Feb 2013	#44
I've been looking for a reason to use this emote!	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#45
And I've been looking for a reason to use this one...	ElboRuum	Feb 2013	#143
Lmao. n/t	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#154
I think Alicia Keyes was great, I think Jennifer Hudson was great I think Beyonce had	dsc	Feb 2013	#47
Agreed. nt	Ed Suspicious	Feb 2013	#90
So, the message is:	Myrina	Feb 2013	#50
No, the message is that Janet Jackson was not young, talented, strong or African American	jberryhill	Feb 2013	#52
so true!!!!!	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#63
Exactly when and where was this "pole dancing" that certain people keep harping on?	Number23	Feb 2013	#121
I also saw no pole, as a mentioned in a previous thread...	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#156
Is that you??!	Number23	Feb 2013	#164
God no... If I did drag it would like a combination of...	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#165
Oh, I see. I'm in Australia and that show doesn't come on here, I don't think	Number23	Feb 2013	#166
For your entertainment :)	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#167
Damn, RuPaul has not aged a SINGLE day!! What the hell does he do to himself to look like that?!	Number23	Feb 2013	#168
Once again	JustAnotherGen	Feb 2013	#53
I didn't like it simply because I didn't think it was a great performance	NYC Liberal	Feb 2013	#57
I think you saw something different than I did, of course.	kwassa	Feb 2013	#58
It is a breakdown and a demeaning of all women	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#64
Perhaps you should look beyond her stage show.	Dollface	Feb 2013	#200
Why?	kwassa	Feb 2013	#206
Kids know more about their chosen role models than just what they do on stage.	Dollface	Feb 2013	#208
Not my kid.	kwassa	Feb 2013	#210
Your answer makes me kind of sad.	Dollface	Feb 2013	#218
People should aspire to do whatever the hell they want to do.	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#157
I'm not directing you to aspire to anything.	kwassa	Feb 2013	#207
I agree with you	Tumbulu	Feb 2013	#212
Beyonce - so electrfying, she caused a blackout!	Kanmi	Feb 2013	#61
not a Beyonce fan .. not a professional sports fan .. it's all about $$$ .. it's BS	YOHABLO	Feb 2013	#62
Wasn't she using her body to sell her music?	JohnnyRingo	Feb 2013	#65
As a response to your question...	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#158
While I don't care much for hip hop...	JohnnyRingo	Feb 2013	#172
Excellent!	Scurrilous	Feb 2013	#66
I'm not sure I understand.	dorkulon	Feb 2013	#67
Beyonce' is very talented. However..	Kelselsius	Feb 2013	#68
I missed the entire Super Bowl by choice.	Beacool	Feb 2013	#69
Let's not forget	Shankapotomus	Feb 2013	#70
Far as I'm concerned, there was a musical act that didn't target my demographic.	Iggo	Feb 2013	#74
No complaints here.	pacalo	Feb 2013	#75
very well said!	liberal_at_heart	Feb 2013	#77
A well thought out opinion I can respect, as a woman	Hekate	Feb 2013	#80
Fully clothed? The whole world saw that she waxes her pubes.	LeftyMom	Feb 2013	#81
You must have a really big TV and excellent vision. All I saw were some serious tights/support hose.	Dollface	Feb 2013	#202
Wow. I think what I really got her from her performance is that she wanted me to	Evoman	Feb 2013	#82
Oh stop it. Beyonce is an average talent who has been packaged as a pop superstar	Maven	Feb 2013	#85
This.	LeftyMom	Feb 2013	#91
and many equally or more-talented black women who don't have 'mega-successful careers'.	HiPointDem	Feb 2013	#99
Tina Turner FTW!!!	Puzzledtraveller	Feb 2013	#185
That girl TORE IT UP. And she KNEW it. So sorry that so many here would seem to prefer the corpse	Number23	Feb 2013	#100
this ^	flamingdem	Feb 2013	#107
So you've tried Zumba right? It's awesome. n/t	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#159
Teach it! nt	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	#110
The big blonde weave is one of my issues with her.	kwassa	Feb 2013	#115
I don't like the 'message' of that weave but what really annoys me is that as gorgeous as she is	Number23	Feb 2013	#117
what bothered me about some of the promos I saw was ...	kwassa	Feb 2013	#135
Thanks for the infographic. SuperBowl performances are for that audience.	freshwest	Feb 2013	#105
In. deed.	PeaceNikki	Feb 2013	#109
Meh...	Coyote_Tan	Feb 2013	#114
Please explain what you mean: "No one has the right to diminish that."	Common Sense Party	Feb 2013	#118
Someday, we will be able to criticize a musical performance based on its merits...	Buzz Clik	Feb 2013	#119
Yes. This.	October	Feb 2013	#125
K&R	BumRushDaShow	Feb 2013	#131
i enjoyed her performance	noiretextatique	Feb 2013	#132
But, but,...get off my lawn! Lol	nonoxy9	Feb 2013	#133
Being different doesn't diminish that which one differentiates from. I'm not slut-shaming anyone.	patrice	Feb 2013	#134
I don't care what she wore or didn't wear. Or how she danced.	Bake	Feb 2013	#136
Very happy you liked her performance..	aka-chmeee	Feb 2013	#137
Hear, Hear!	ReRe	Feb 2013	#139
Two points	DonCoquixote	Feb 2013	#140
Logical fallacy: the "fact" that these people who may, OR MAY NOT, be pseudo feminists "didn't"	patrice	Feb 2013	#204
I don't do the superbowl and I'm about to go to work (12 hour)	tavalon	Feb 2013	#141
I find your post to be both racist and sexist.	xtraxritical	Feb 2013	#142
I misplaced my keys	MrScorpio	Feb 2013	#146
Jeepers, I'm 63 years old, and I think Beyonce is really keen!	NBachers	Feb 2013	#147
Now that was funny. The last time I heard 'keen' was about 1963.	Dollface	Feb 2013	#201
Finally, a young, strong, beautiful and talented woman of color gets her due	hughee99	Feb 2013	#150
This is not a criticism,	jonthebru	Feb 2013	#151
When you sing at the inauguration and headline the Super Bowl halftime you are American royalty.	dkf	Feb 2013	#152
+1 nt	K8-EEE	Feb 2013	#175
Great post! Thanks! n/t	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#153
Talent? Give me a freaking break. I just returned from an orchestra rehearsal	BlueStreak	Feb 2013	#155
Just my opinion, but I think there's room in the world of music for.....	OldDem2012	Feb 2013	#163
"Black folks bring disgrace upon themselves when they celebrate the wrong people"	Number23	Feb 2013	#170
agreed #23	K8-EEE	Feb 2013	#171
It isn't just black folks, of course	BlueStreak	Feb 2013	#189
Nicely put!	Apophis	Feb 2013	#160
Meanwhile the Republicans...	Agschmid	Feb 2013	#162
This is a most excellent post.	ellisonz	Feb 2013	#173
do they really show any more skin than the "wholesome" cheerleaders	K8-EEE	Feb 2013	#174
In a spectacle where 22 bulked-up dudes run around in spandex pants...	VOX	Feb 2013	#177
Poutrage is an ugly thing.	Kalidurga	Feb 2013	#178
I believe the show fit the venue perfectly	lunatica	Feb 2013	#181
Perhaps the truest words uttered on this subject.	BlueStreak	Feb 2013	#190
hyper-femininity on steriods	noiretextatique	Feb 2013	#196
So very powerful!1!	JNelson6563	Feb 2013	#186
I love this, MrScorpio. Thanks so much for posting.	FourScore	Feb 2013	#191
I sometimes think I'm the only person on Earth that likes football for football	Johonny	Feb 2013	#192
I didn't like	840high	Feb 2013	#195
I don't like Beyonce or her style of entertainment, it has	madmom	Feb 2013	#194
plus, she isn't a nice person	RILib	Feb 2013	#198
I'm kind of disappointed that people are being called "pseudo-feminists" if they disagree with you.	patrice	Feb 2013	#205
I missed the halftime show (and most of the game) because I had to work...	derby378	Feb 2013	#209
What - women of color moment?	Zax2me	Feb 2013	#211
If she's upset because she's not the most awesome performer we've ever seen...	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2013	#215
Tina Turner has been known for her singing/dancing/legs since I can remember	R B Garr	Feb 2013	#216

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:21 PM

Autumn (11,280 posts)

1. Indeed. She did just fine.

K/R

Frankly, I'm sorry that many of us failed to realize what occurred at the Super Bowl last night

1. Indeed. She did just fine.

2. Just read a column along those lines.

130. I noticed that there were only women on stage the moment that I was watching it

145. Love that, thanks!!

3. k&r

4. So if anyone did not like the music or the production value

7. Hm. The point you have missed, Yoda. nt

9. There was no point to get.

22. This thread is a response to the other threads on DU today,

27. The flip side of trying to shut down critiques is even worse

73. While your oversimplification of my previous comment is brilliant, right?

180. Brandeis: The solution to bad speech is more speech not censorship (paraphrased)

71. a bunch of old white women don't like that music either..

72. Lol. I'm an old punk rocker myself.

193. I am so with you -

199. The costume she was wearing covered at least as much as those of many professional skaters and

203. Right! I mean, this is Beyonce's thing. It's what she does. It's not what I would do,

25. Let me chime in for just a moment as a white guy who is a professional performer to say I have to

56. I read you entire post here

78. I dislike Madonna's music, Gaga too

83. Absolutely, popular music is full of codes and far more complex due to cultural status

103. MJ

169. Too bad he wasn't more active politcally before he was ripped away from us

176. He was politically active

179. world needs more

184. FYI

144. AWESOME, AWESOME POST!

5. K&R.

42. Or, that Calvin Klein commercial.

101. Disgusting.

106. More creepy than the guy in his skivies was the reaction of the ladies of Facebook to whose comments

87. Hey, I get sick of watching Frank Gore's bulky door knocker flop around as well. Desency is gone.

102. Okay with me as long as everyone gets held to the same standard! nt

6. oh for god's sake. there have always been rich powerful women in entertainment. beyonce is one

12. Oh, Hannah. Lighten up...nt

122. The OP was a joke?

21. Yeah. I thought this was pretty funny from the article linked above...

28. yep ! why the titillating outfit?

116. it is EMPOWERING for women to dance like strippers!!!

120. and who's pushing that load of crap, i wonder?

124. it's the way of the world, HPD!!!

126. all this orwellian bullshit frankly sickens me. 'embrace your sexuality by showing off some skin

128. *AND*

26. I'm with you on this one

182. I always pose the question

39. I agree

51. I'm an artist

46. Burlap sacks for everyone!

96. Sounds good. Fashion sucks.

148. Fashion...

149. love it. :) nt

112. ridiculous post demonstrating that you have no argument whatsoever. to say that beyonce is

113. Okay.

108. +1

8. I could care less if she is black, white, blue or green

14. Does anyone realize the superhuman stamina required to dance like that and sing?

55. do you realize the superhuman stamina needed to load bricks 8 hours a day, 5 days a week?

59. No it doesn't. The coordination of all of that is more taxing than a repetitive task nt

76. 'more taxing'? bullshit. a repetitive task is more taxing because it uses the same muscle groups

79. The brain has to coordinate about 2000 details in that performance

84. complex is not more physically taxing nor does it require superhuman strength, which was the

88. I stick to my point because so few people can pull it off

92. plenty of people can pull it off. we pulled it off in my high school musical productions. broadway

93. not at that level!

98. no, my HS musicals weren't at that level -- but broadway productions are -- and more.

183. you obviously don't know much about professional dancing.

197. why are you talking to me? i agree, professional dancers do grueling work. but beyonce is not

213. she's a better dancer than others in her field....

214. no, i respect the skill and athleticism of working dancers. but beyonce isn't that. she's a

86. A lot of Broadway performers do it 8 times a week.

89. Not with millions looking on

94. Right. There's no pressure on a Broadway performer.

217. For 90 to 180 minutes. Without a studio repaired track, and they do it well.

123. Okay, just watched this performance that's getting so much DU chatter

127. Here is the point: this is DANCE music

36. And that is a fine critique. I think that is fair. Others have gone way over the top.

10. Oh, people have the right to diminish it

95. There sure are plenty doing that

11. Yay MrScorpio!

128. AND