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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:59 AM

What you "young turds" are missing about halftime show

Sure, some people were not happy with the outfits. Some said they didn't like Beyonce's music. For our differences in taste, we've been pilloried on DU, with lots of jokes about The Andrew Sisters and Lawrence Welk.

My problem with show was, well, the show. The young turds keep saying what a great singer/performer Beyonce is. But I saw 20-30 other women on that stage dancing the exact same steps as Beyonce, against a million-dollar backdrop of lighting, video displays and pyrotechnics. Beyonce wasn't even singing (or lip syncing) for much of the time, she was just shaking her half-naked body while stuff blew up, and lights flashed in a display which probably sent a few epileptics into shock.

The point is, in this era of manufactured boy bands and Disney Channel dolls, the young turds seem to not realize what it means to be a "band" or even a singer. What was amazing (and sickening, if you really think about the expense of this brief extravaganza in a stadium full of people who paid $3,400 to watch a game, but complain about a tiny tax increase), was just the spectacle. Dozens of pretty women dancing about on an electrified video game set, and people are saying "she's an awesome singer!"

Meh. I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves. Beyonce didn't write the music, didn't build the stage, didn't fire off the rockets, hell, she can't even play an instrument. She was a prop in someone else's stage show.

BTW, I'm an "old turd" who prefers college radio, alt rock (whatever that is) and most anything played by actual musicians. I just can't stand packaged sugar pops. That's just the way my taste runs.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:07 AM

1. I do recall the thought about the light and their effect on epileptics last night

And you are correct, Beyonce didn't do much singing. Repeated grunts and words.

I thought the half time show as a dud at best. I kept waiting for something exciting to happen and all I got was more lights and pyrotechnics. WOW!



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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:22 AM

11. Disagree. Best ever!

Thought it was a great, high energy "show", which is what it was meant to be. Much better than Madonna's geriatric version last year. When the other two Destiny's Child members came out, that was a highlight. Who can complain about two more gorgeous women, best Superbowl half time show ever. And I'm not the only one blown away by it. Here's a link with twitter feeds from others, several celebrities included, and most of them are women.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/03/halftime-show-reactions-beyonce-destinys-child-tweets_n_2612490.html?ref=topbar#slide=2057176

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:09 AM

95. Glad you enjoyed it so.

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:25 AM

108. It was good for TV, but must have sucked for half the stadium

When the back part of the stage flipped up as a video screen, I wondered if the people on the then-obstructed part of the stadium paid a lower price.

It was produced as a stage event meant to be viewed from the front.

Stadiums are round. The producers are no doubt capable of putting together something meant to be seen from one direction, but it was a front-view event that used a small portion of the field, and didn't seem to be a "made for viewing in a stadium" event.

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:49 AM

132. Better than The Who?

Better than The Stones?

Better than The Boss?

No pre-packaged commercial TV "extravaganza" featuring a half-dressed TV Spokesmodel "performing" a script written, packaged, and approved by a team of Commercial Corporate TV writers targeting an audience of dedicated American Idol TV Watchers will ever be better than a REAL band with REAL Singers performing REAL Music that comes from their heart and their sweat.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #132)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:52 AM

155. Actually, I thought she was way better than the Who or the Stones.

I've always thought most of Beyonces solo music sounded like something from a half time show, I've never liked it. But at least she's still somewhat in the prime of her career, not some bunch of old men who are a shadow of what they used to be in their prime, which only people in their later '50s or older experienced firsthand. They were like having Bing Crosby or the remnants of the Dorsey band play a halftime show in the late '60s. And you can't seriously believe the Who and Stones half time shows weren't any less pre-packaged commercial TV "extravaganza" s than hers was.

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Response to independentpiney (Reply #155)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:40 PM

228. We'll see whose music stands the test of time

won't we? The Who, The Stones, Pink Floyd, etc. etc. have already stood the test of time. Many young people love their music. Let's see where Beyonce's music is in 40 years.

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Response to ohheckyeah (Reply #228)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:51 PM

251. I didn't say anything about her music standing the test of time , did I?

I said in response to another poster that I felt her super bowl performance was better than the Who's, which I thought was a total embarrassment, or the geriatric Stones parody of their younger selves. Nothing at all to do with the quality of the music. Super bowl half time shows are glitzy pop entertainment extravaganzas, which she is very good at. But she could never come even remotely close to Diana Ross' performance. which I think was the best to date.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #132)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:14 PM

176. Pro-Am Jazz Guitarist here. I've played behind several young solo female jazz

 

vocalists in Los Angeles, all of whom could sing and emote rings around Beyonce (and a couple of whom could even give Sade a run for her money). OK, maybe these women couldn't shake their asses quite as adeptly as Beyonce, but I really don't give a fuck about that. Were Beyonce to try her hand at 'God Bless the Child' or "All of Me," she would suck and suck badly.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #176)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:49 PM

188. Do you remember the first Inauguration Ball when she sang 'At Last'?

I think she did a beautiful job. I doubt she would suck badly at 'God Bless the Child' or 'All of Me'.

I do not follow her music (not my genre) but I think she's very talented as both a singer and a dancer. All that with a baby at home! (that's the most impressive part.)

If you don't like Beyonce's music, fine, but please don't disparage her like that.

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Response to Pmc1962 (Reply #188)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:54 PM

191. I will definitely give her a second look and listen. I may have too hastily

 

judged her. I did not see or hear the performance you mention.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #191)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:29 PM

234. She did a great job, I personally don't like much

 

of what she does, Alicia Keys on the other hand is unbelievable, but she sang At Last for a movie and did a bunch of public performances of it:

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Response to NewYorkTaxPayer (Reply #234)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:28 PM

249. I had not been following her / paying attention to what she did

But recently when I actually listened - I think she is pretty darn good.

She is a performer. Most jazz musicians are performers, for that matter - not writing what they play.

Classical musicians are performers. The Super Bowl Haftime show is all about performance.

What she did - was suitable for the event.

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Response to NewYorkTaxPayer (Reply #234)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:31 AM

304. i hate alicia keys' music

I think she is a terrible singer and a mediocre piano player at best. all hype.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #176)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:35 PM

199. I think she could do a good 'Bless the Child' but I agree with you about 'All of Me'.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #176)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:40 PM

238. Amen !...I was a studio musician for 6 years (piano/sax) and Beyonce would be rated a "C" ...

...by my standards.
I mean, she has her thing and all that but there are great singers out there.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #176)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:34 PM

265. Musically she's lame and untrained, and shes got gawd awful thick cellulose thighs.

 

She should shut-up and cover up.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #265)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:47 PM

271. Not gonna comment about whether she's musically untrained . . .

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. . . but there's nothing wrong with those thighs. Get some glasses for God's sake. And you must have meant "cellulite" not "cellulose", right?

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #265)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:03 AM

302. I noticed the same thing about her thighs.

But it was not so bad that her pair of support hose couldn't keep it together.

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Response to ObaMania (Reply #302)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:51 AM

306. You need to get some glasses too. Nothing wrong with those thighs.

Pretty hard for cellulite (not "cellulose") to form when your job is to dance/entertain/exercise/practice like she does.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #176)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:13 AM

296. It's been decades since I've lived in L.A.

(born and raised there) but that was something I always LOVED about L.A. You could walk into virtually any club and see the most amazing talent. It could be the smallest, out-of-the-way little dive in a shitty part of town, didn't matter. The competition there is so steep there's no way someone with no talent would ever get stage time.

And PLEASE don't encourage her to try something like "God Bless the Child" or "All of Me." Have you heard what she did to "At Last?" She ought to be gagged for life just for that.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #132)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:06 PM

217. I HATED The Who and The Stones at the SB

I love rock but I don't want to see a bunch of senior citizens rolled onto the stage to perform 50 year old songs

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #217)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:17 PM

221. ...and some people prefer McCheeseburgers and diet coke...

..to grilled salmon and fine wine.


There is no accounting for taste.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #221)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:19 PM

222. and some people hang onto the past with a tight fist

no accounting for taste

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Response to backwoodsbob (Reply #222)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:36 PM

267. I'm so grateful hip-hop is almost dead.

 

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #267)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:56 PM

274. FYI, Beyonce's music is not hip-hop.

She may not have the greatest voice but she's an "entertainer" with great showmanship. And simply put, she put on a great, entertaining show yesterday, which is what the Superbowl half time show is all about. It's an extravaganza not an intimate club date with subtle phrasings and smooth changes and intonations. She delivered exactly what was called for and she did it way better than most.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #132)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:34 PM

236. Far better than those

She put on a SHOW!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #132)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:02 AM

300. Agreed. Her performance pales in comparison to many who have played the SB. Especially this band..

.. begins at the 1:00 mark.



Honestly, the audio was bad, the songs were bad, and the Destiny's Child reunion wasn't even with Destiny's Child songs.

Heck, I'd put Aerosmith and Britney Spear's performance of a few years back over this one and that, IMO, was pretty bad.

They should try and cover all bases in these halftime shows. Represented by a little rock, a little country, and a little of whatever you call Beyonce's music.

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:37 PM

227. one day Beyonce will be "Geriatric" also , will she be worthless then ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #227)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:41 PM

270. I hope by then she would know better than to try the same moves she pulled off . . .

. . . when she was younger. Madonna was still trying the deep knee bends from her younger days and very visibly the flexibility just was not there.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:38 AM

120. At least she was able to do it in time with the rhythmic noise.

 

That should count for something.

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Response to RC (Reply #120)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:16 PM

177. God, I wish DU gave out awards for sardonic wit. Your post would

 

surely win!

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #177)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:48 PM

213. Just reading DU keeps me in shape.

 

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:43 AM

128. As an epileptic who is

effected by lights I made sure all the lights around my television set were turned on and I did leave the room at one point. Strobes are the worst for me.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:08 AM

2. This should go well...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:12 AM

3. You still watch football?





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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:18 AM

7. Funny thing is, I never watch football.

Like many, I tuned in to watch a half hour or so of supposedly amazing commercials, but a good, exciting game broke. That was the first complete game I've watched many, many years.

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Response to Atman (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:28 AM

66. Maybe next year we can have the greatness that is Rihanna!

And the Cowboys!



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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:12 AM

4. Talented singer.

Talented performer. Very easy on the eyes.

No complaints from dawg.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:12 AM

5. Why has lipsync become acceptable and expected?

I believe it has to do with an expectation of perfection from producers, sponsors, and the audience. Another explanation may be that people expect their favorite performers to sound the same on stage as on their recordings, which is impossible since the released recordings of most artists are so electronically altered it sounds nothing like the artist who is singing. No, the age of entertainment, true entertainment, has passed in favor of faux entertainment..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:20 AM

9. General compensation

for lack of talent.

Random example of the opposite here.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:29 AM

68. That was great. Thanks.

Somehow I had forgotten that great Dylan song and was happy to hear such an awesome cover of it. 2 new purchases on iTunes.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #68)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:24 PM

180. You might want to check out Sinead O'Connor's cover of Kurt Cobain's

 

"All Apologies" too. It will blow you away. She takes Cobain to a whole new level and he was already among the exalted, imho.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #180)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:36 PM

266. Sinead has always been amazing.

Her new offering is as good as her first to me. Great stuff. The Super Bowl has always been one big commercial crap event and I am proud to say I missed it and the literal "blowout" that was the half time show.

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:38 AM

153. Nice! nt

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:01 AM

291. I don't find much here. One octave but she can play a guitar.

Here is a better example of about a one octave singer who doesn't play an instrument beyond her voice.


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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:35 AM

292. Now here is an example of a 5 octave voice. Very rare indeed. Annie Haslam

And look, they are all really playing their instruments, to a level virtually unknown today. Look her up for some incredible vocal talent. She doesn't really light it up in this tune, but I like it!


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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:24 AM

14. lip-syncing has been the norm since "American Bandstand"

edited to add: It is not a problem unless the person lip syncing is not the one actually singing- That is fraud.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:46 AM

84. Remember Ed Sullivan?

He never had live performers. Even The Beatles lip synced.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:58 AM

87. Yes, I remember the Ed Sullivan Shew

Thanks for bringing that up - I believe that most songs were lip synced in the 50s and 60s. And it was common knowledge.

I think people forget that the outrage over Milli Vanilli is that they were lip syncing to others voices. Just a lot of poutrage, in my opinion.


(snip)
Milli Vanilli was a pop and dance project created by Frank Farian in Munich, Germany, in 1988. The group was formed with Fab Morvan and Rob Pilatus. The group's debut album Girl You Know It's True achieved international success and earned them a Grammy Award for Best New Artist on February 21, 1990. Milli Vanilli became one of the most popular pop acts in the late 1980s and early 1990s. However, their success turned to infamy when their Grammy was revoked after it was revealed by Chuck Philips of the LA Times that the lead vocals on the record were not the actual voices of Morvan and Pilatus
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When Frank Farian developed the concept of Milli Vanilli, he chose to feature vocals by Charles Shaw, John Davis, Brad Howell, and twin sisters Jodie and Linda Rocco; however, he felt that those singers lacked a marketable image. He then recruited Robert Pilatus and Fabrice Morvan, two younger model/dancers he found singing in a Munich club for a rehearsal. He noticed that while the original singers lacked a marketable image, Pilatus and Morvan lacked in singing ability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #87)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:33 AM

115. It was definitely not "common knowledge" that

variety shows like Sullivans used lip synch. People would have been outraged to learn it.

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Response to pscot (Reply #115)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:44 AM

129. I remember it as a teenager

All my friends knew- i think Dick Clark even spoke of it. So I guess you were in the in-crowd! LOL ( Like I was?)

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #129)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:48 PM

187. The Midnight Specials were live...

A lot of the Smothers Brothers Hour was live.

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Response to pscot (Reply #115)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:58 AM

140. Somebody clearly doesn't know the Ed Sullivan Show

ALL performers who were on that stage performed LIVE. NO lip-synching at ALL.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:13 AM

97. Wait a minute.

The Beatles were on Sullivan four times: three in 1964 and once in 1965. I watched each of the original broadcasts and own a DVD of all four.

There is no way in hell that The Beatles lip synced on Sullivan. Lennon flubbed lines, the microphone cut out on him during the first appearance, they played different arrangements than what was "on the record."

Sorry. You will have to show me where you "discovered" that The Beatles lip synced on Sullivan.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #97)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:18 AM

149. Yup--and what about the time The Doors sang the actual lyrics to

"Light My Fire" instead of the censored version (w/o "girl, we couldn't get much higher") the management requested? Got them banned from the show.

Lip synced? Not so much.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #149)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:38 PM

209. Conversely, the Stones went the other way.

Their current hit was "Let's Spend The Night Together." Sullivan and his people insisted they change it to "Let's Spend Some Time Together." Mick held out till the last minute, then performed it live... SULLIVAN'S way. Not lip synced either.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #209)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:45 PM

212. I remember that too.

<sigh> growing old sucks.

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Response to truebluegreen (Reply #149)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:55 PM

288. "Girl, we couldn't get much higher" was censored? Wow!

Of course, the BBC wouldn't broadcast the Beatles's "A Day in the Life" because of the "I'd love to turn you on" part.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #97)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:13 PM

246. It just takes a statement to make something "fact" anymore.

Somebody posts that performers on The Ed Sullivan Show lip-sync'd, and all of a sudden it bcomes fact. Sort of like what fox-nonsense does.

It's what we have to be always vigilant about; calling out statements that ARE NOT FACT - but rather are just somebody's "hunch".

Well, glad to hear you were called on it. I agree that there were lots of lip-sycn's back in the 60's and on - but I'd also offer that they were a poor substitute for talent.

I saw the Beach Boys live in Portland, Oregon back in the 60's - and I've NEVER heard such God-awful harmony in my life. It was PATHETIC. I'm still a fan of their music today - but they were awful "live"....just awful!!

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Response to Hulk (Reply #246)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:35 AM

299. Could be they couldn't hear themselves at the time.

In the era before ear pieces, singers on stage with a roaring crowd can be horribly off-key. I've heard some Beatles' vocals from live concerts and they were just as bad.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:23 AM

105. Nope.

Ed Sullivan was live as were many of the variety shows. (The Stones and Jim Morrison went off script on their songs) But Bandstand and the cheaper shows that taped were lip-synced.

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Response to EC (Reply #105)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:29 AM

110. Two of my cousins were in a manufactured girl band on Ed Sullivan.

You may have heard of a little ditty called "My Boyfriend's Back." My cousins were 2/3 of the trio The Angels, and they performed on Ed Sullivan two or three times. I would guess they lip-synced. Sad thing is, this was the day of Motown and they got paid scale...$500 a piece, no royalties, for one of the most famous songs ever recorded. They eventually sued sometime in the 80's or 90's, but I don't recall what they got for their efforts.

One of them went on to record and write commercial jingles and became quite well-off. The other retired from music completely, until they did a reunion album about five years ago, with a re-mixed version of My Boyfriend's Back, and several original tunes. I don't think it sold very well.

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Response to Atman (Reply #110)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:39 AM

122. kewl

loved that song at the time

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Response to Atman (Reply #110)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:00 AM

142. Chances are they didn't lip-synch

"My Boyfriend's Back" is a classic of the girl group genre. I know that song well.

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Response to Atman (Reply #110)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:04 AM

146. "Cry Baby Cry" is my fav I think

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Response to EC (Reply #105)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:41 AM

125. The Doors

The Doors went "off script" in the sense that the network censors wanted the phrase "girl we couldn't get much higher" changed because of the concern "higher" was a reference to drugs. For whatever reason, Morrison sang the original unchanged lyrics.

I had heard The Doors were banned from future appearances on The Ed Sullivan show because of that.

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Response to cojoel (Reply #125)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:01 AM

144. The Stones had to change "Let's Spend the Night Together"

to pass the censors.

That wouldn't have been necessary if they had lip-synched.


It's time to put this nonsense about The Ed Sullivan Show to rest.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:57 AM

137. Not--repeat NOT--true. They all sang live.

It was extremely nerve-wracking to the performers like Jim Morrison who had to get up there and sing live to the entire country.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #84)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:28 PM

184. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Unlike many shows of the time,

Sullivan asked that most musical acts perform their music live, rather than lip-synching to their recordings...."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sullivan

"Television, in its beginning, was mostly a live medium. Ed Sullivan, Milton Berle and Steve Allen’s Tonight Show all featured live performances by the top recording artists of the day.....The Beatles performed completely live during their appearances, while the Rolling Stones prerecorded their instrumental tracks, with Mick Jagger doing a live vocal."
http://thedaleyplanet.net/articles/archives/541

"The Beatles performed four to six songs on practically every appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show. They performed a grand total of TWENTY songs for Ed Sullivan. And all the performances were LIVE. (Not lip-synch.)"
http://www.thefab40.com/media/news/dvd.html

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:58 AM

86. LLoyd Thaxton?

Anybody? His show was recalled in the lyrics of The Go-Go's song "Beatnik Beach," which appeared on the 1982 album Vacation: "We'll lipsync a go-go / Like on the Lloyd Thaxton Show, yeah ..."

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:00 PM

174. Britney Spears Lip Syncing



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Response to Unknown Beatle (Reply #174)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:26 PM

286. That's got to be fake

But I don't get people complaining about lip synching. If a singer is doing a lot of dance steps, it would be hard to sing moving around so much.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:00 PM

275. Thanks for reminding all the so called purists. And Bandstand started in the 50s. nt

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:52 AM

34. It's actually not nearly as common as it used to be.

Back in the early days of TV, when we had variety shows like Ed Sullivan, all performers lip synced.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:31 AM

112. I looked at some of those

Ed Sullivan performances and believe they were not lipsynced at all..and then again, maybe I am just out of touch on this issue..

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #34)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:37 AM

119. You are wrong

In the early days of Tv, lip syncing was the exception, not the rule- shows were broadcast live, and performers sang live. This gradually changed, by the late 60s, syncing was more common,including on Ed Sullivan's show (but the Beatles always performed live- not counting promotional films shown after they stopped touring).

The scandal about lip syncing now is that many performers with active, gyration filled shows, will lip sync in live, public, fee for entrance concerts.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:58 AM

42. It's also a symptom of a greater emphasis on dancing

Particularly high energy dancing.

It's harder to sing when you're winded from jumping and twirling about - that's not to say it can't be done, it's just harder.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:05 AM

46. She wasn't lip-synching

 

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:00 AM

91. Nothing to do with talent.... At events like that they ALWAYS record a vocal tape for emergencies

When Springsteen played the Super Bowl, he had a tape to lip-sync in case anything went wrong. Ditto Tom Petty (who along with Mike Campbell were the only musicians playing live at that Super Bowl), ditto the Rolling Stones, ditto the Who. The producers want the event to be perfect, and if a mic fails they want to still be able to put forth a show - so the singers are ready to lip-sync if necessary.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:18 AM

101. The more things change the more they remain the same

Watching "Perry Mason" a show from the 60s.
An agent/producer, "You think it takes talent? What it takes is guts and money!"

He then proceeds to make a kid (Sandy) a marketable product.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:35 AM

117. It always has been. 60 years ago singers took their records to sock hops and lip synced to them to

to promote them. They lip synced on shows on tv too if the ever got famous enough to appear on one.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:02 PM

160. Post-processing of musicians is not new.

I remember seeing Simon & Garfunkel live. They didn't sound anything like their records. As for lipsyncing, at least at the Inauguration - the voice, like any other instrument, is sensitive to temperature and trying to belt out the National Anthem (a song notoriously difficult to sing) live in 20 degree temperatures, risked having it come out as a series of squaks, sharps, and flats - not to mention the possibility of doing actual damage to her voice.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:21 PM

179. OT somewhat, but the classical pianist Arthur Rubenstein in his autobiography (IIRC) said

 

he would routinely miss 25-30% of his notes in live performance BEFORE THE ADVENT OF THE PHONOGRAPH RECORD Its invention forced classical pianists like him to aspire to higher performance standards b/c audiences who had listened to the record now expected the same level of perfection in performance.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:10 PM

219. setting up a stage with real vocals and such

is time intensive.

For something like a ten minute halftime show it's easier to do a prerecorded show

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:53 PM

283. And maybe next year

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Response to pipoman (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:15 AM

297. None of that is accurate.

It's because they can't sing in the first place and the recording studio is where all the "magic" is done to make them sound sort of OK and sort of on something resembling a key.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #297)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:09 AM

305. bingo..my wife has been saying this for years..

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:17 AM

6. While fan of acoustic bands just standing playing banjos, mandolins, etc., I thought show was great

Such coordinated dancing ain't easy, light show was exciting, etc. Doing a half-time show at Super Bowl ain't easy either. Good job.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:24 AM

13. I didn't say it wasn't a good show

My post is about Beyonce, and why she is considered such an awesome talent. Again, she performed someone else dance moves along with a few dozen othe women dancing the same moves. She can't play an instrument. She didn't design her set. And she hardly sang. She is eye candy. I the real creative people here were the people who designed the show.

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Response to Atman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:46 AM

29. Very well said

You speak for my generation who prefer substance to form.

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Response to Atman (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:34 AM

73. Your post made me remember Barbara Mandrell.

Saw her perform live twenty-five or so years ago. She COULD do all the stuff you mention and, although I'd never been a fan, particularly, I was just knocked out. I also saw Sammy Davis Jr. many years ago. Now HE was truly, impressively versatile. BTW, though I'm pretty old now, I was a young rock fan then.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:42 AM

25. Yes but in fairness

nothing really beats acoustic string band music as you described.

Check this out from the past here : http://www.democraticunderground.com/103434

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Response to dipsydoodle (Reply #25)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:06 AM

93. There you go. Wish it would work in a dome with millions watching, but that's just good.

Thanks.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:19 AM

8. lulz well - " she was just shaking her half-naked body "

" she was just shaking her half-naked body " OHYEAH!

That's the part I liked and I liked it better than a bunch of idiots chasing after a piece of plastic and pretending that it meant anything.

No, seriously, I get your point. But taken as a whole, not just Beyonce, it was a diverting entertaining musical multimedia presentation. Fun.

And watching pro sports is no more than a diverting entertaining multimedia presentation anyway.

That said, I switched over to see Fox cartoon repeats for much of the night. Football and most professional sports make me yawn. Waste of time and effort. At least, the cartoons make some political points occasionally.



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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:21 AM

10. I agree. Yes, she CAN sing and she does have talent.

But this performance certainly didn't showcase much of it.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:23 AM

12. This old turd enjoyed the show.

However, I will agree with your assessment of this event and its performers. It was entertaining, but deserved neither the accolades nor the derision it is getting. Beyonce can be a damn good singer, but I don't think she sang all that great last night. Her singing, and her choices of songs were kind of "meh". Quite frankly, I was more impressed by the light show, and by the fact that she is able to run around a stage like that in five inch heels. That being said, as much as I was entertained by it, I would much rather have watched a re-run of the Prince show, or The Who, or the 2002 show with U2. To this day, I cannot listen to a song by Prince without thinking of his silhouette with that demonic penis guitar, and still be amazed that the network censors let that one by.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:26 AM

15. Glitzy, sleazy, titillating garbage.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:31 AM

16. I blame the Exploding Plastic Inevitable

I keed! I keed!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:34 AM

17. I am neither an old nor a young 'turd' but I think you're being ridiculous.

I understand and appreciate what being a band, musician and performer are. But, unlike you, I also appreciate what a 'performance' is. You clearly do not.

Carry on with your 'get offa my lawn' rant.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:35 AM

18. I "clearly" do not?

You clearly had a problem understanding my post.

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Response to Atman (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:38 AM

20. You compared her to the 'hundred strippers' you've seen. I got it.

As I said... carry on.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #20)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:42 AM

26. That's all you got out of my post?

As I stated, you clearly didn't get it. I also compared her to the dozens of other women on stage dancing the exact same canned dance moves. Why is her performance so much more awesome? You also clearly don't understand that I certainly do understand what a "performance" is.

Lame response, Nikki, even by your usual standards.

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Response to Atman (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:52 AM

36. My point was a counter-point to your OP. The 'yound turds' and others can appreciate both

a performance and a 'band/singer/musician'.

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #36)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:56 AM

40. That's not a counterpoint at all

It was merely, and obviously, intended as an insult, as if somehow you know enough about me, my musical taste and my background to pass judgement on me. That simply wasn't what my post was about.

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Response to Atman (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:04 AM

45. Well, kudos to you for demonstrating maturity in discussing a topic and not getting personal or

dragging in preconceived notions and previous disagreements into a topic!

Oh, wait....

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Response to PeaceNikki (Reply #45)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:18 AM

55. Psst...you might to go back and #17

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Response to Atman (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:42 AM

24. I got it

and have to agree. Beyonce is a gorgeous young lady, and a product of the times. Many of the younger folks here don't seem to understand that the older people remember folks who could sing and dance, and do it really, really well. Even Madonna doesn't "need" exploding stuff backing her up...she can if she wants to...but, she dominates the sets with her talent.

I watched and thought "Michael Jackson would cry."

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:37 AM

19. I think Beyonce is a snoozefest.

Give me Grace Potter over Beyonce any day of the week.

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Response to cali (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:40 AM

124. Grace Potter! Now you're talking!

Talented beyond belief and also sexy and gorgeous.

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Response to cali (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:37 AM

152. Oo-la-la oo-la-la-la-la

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Response to cali (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:45 AM

154. Love Grace Potter! nt

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:40 AM

21. The show was OK. Thankfully, Ted Nugent wasn't in it. nt

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:40 AM

22. I was in the next room..

... and only heard (rather than saw) the performance. My wife commented that she could not tell where one song ended and another began.

Musical taste is entirely subjective, but I do often suspect that a lot of artists get a pass (on their "talent") based on WHO they are and not any particular talent or ability. Sure Beyonce is a beautiful women, but artist? Just like Bieber is an artist.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:41 AM

23. This Is Showbiz...Pure And Simple...

I'm one of those old farts and only saw glimpses of the show as, just like you, I come from a different place and time musically. However, if I want to see serious musicians, the last place I'm gonna go is to a football game! To me the Superbowl halftime shows are filler so they can shove in more commercials and people can load up on food.

The networks want eye candy...the NFL wants to try to be "hip" and the rest of us are wondering what's left in the fridge and checking out the porcelain palace. Be it Beyonce or The Who (who I admire and enjoy greatly) the halftime show is a poor venue to judge an artists' talent or popularity...

Cheers...

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #23)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:51 AM

33. But that is really the point.

People who didn't see anything spectacular about Beyonce have been called all sorts of names and ridiculed for somehow not understanding what "performance" is. We're "old turds" for not agreeing that Beyonce is awesome. As I stated, but a few choice posters don't get (or don't want to get), I thought the show was amazing. Take that for what it's worth. But I didn't see why Beyonce was a better performer that her army of back-up dancers doing the same moves.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:45 AM

27. I didn't watch it.

There was nothing there to hold my attention.

The half-time show isn't really supposed to be a musical performance; the music is background. It supports the performance. Because it's the superbowl, the expectation for something BIG is automatic, and you end up with something BIG. I only watched 20 minutes or so of the whole game, and didn't bother with the halftime show. I never do.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:45 AM

28. I just want them . . .

I just want them to, "Get the hell off my yard!"

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:49 AM

30. The true measure of a great singer is when they are

unplugged.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #30)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:53 AM

38. true

You ever hear Beyonce unplugged?

I have and she is amazing.

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Response to trumad (Reply #38)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:58 AM

141. Perhaps she should do it more often and foresake the

bling for a while.

The great divas shined on their own without props.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:50 AM

31. With all of the major issues in the news today, this is what you want to post about? Really?? nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #31)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:52 AM

37. Yes, at the moment.

The day is young, you know.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:50 AM

32. Maybe they'll get Joan Baez for next year's halftime show

Bacause, you know, she'll be back by popular demand and all that stuff.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:01 AM

44. Really, really tired response

The references to old singers from 50 years ago, and "get of my lawn," demonstrate that you don't really have any idea what my post was about.

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Response to Atman (Reply #44)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:07 AM

49. Actually, I do

And I just might do an OP of my own on halftime shows.

But, even if I did, I don't expect everyone to agree with me.

They would just be my observations, as a guy who's immersed in music, pretty much all of the time.

I'm just wondering why you think all of that was a bad thing.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #32)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:21 AM

59. Joan Baez sang for us--The Nation Cruise--in December.

Her voice isn't what it used to be...but I'll take her in concert
any day over Beyonce.

Here's a photo I took of her (yes, it was a private performance and we were
allowed to take photos--but requested to do so only at the beginning of the concert
and not while she was singing).

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 AM

70. Lovely photo. Thanks for sharing! nt

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #59)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:57 PM

252. I love Joan Baez. Thanks for posting. nm

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:52 AM

35. Please tell me what stripper bar you go to?

Really...strippers dance better that Beyonce and her troupe?

Possibly the silliest thing I've ever read on DU.

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Response to trumad (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:28 AM

65. Tell me you didn't get rid of your ""I'm a fuckin' man but they kicked me out Waaaah!" sig! nt

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #65)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:39 AM

79. Replaced it with my bug.

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Response to trumad (Reply #35)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:42 PM

170. That's what I used to say about Beyonce's grandmother Madonna

"Respectable burlesque -- you can go to your local red light district and see a lot more of what she does for a lot less money."


rocktivity

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:53 AM

39. No tits visible

That seems to be the new standard, eh?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:56 AM

41. The half-time show was terrible, the singing was crappy, the extravaganza a cultural cancer.

That was not musical entertainment, it was a "show" instead. At least the football still looks real, but i wonder how scripted it is too.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:14 AM

53. I totally agree with all you said. I was not entertained. nt

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:03 AM

92. All halftime shows are terrible.

I don't remember any good ones. Even when they have groups like the Rolling Stones perform without clothing/dancing/lip synching controversies.

It's simply not a good place to put on a good show.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #92)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:30 AM

111. The last time I remeber being wowed by a halftime show..

It was U2, whose music I actually dislike after "Joshua Tree".. But damn what a performance..

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #111)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:49 PM

272. Thank you

I can't believe i had to read this far before someone mentioned the U2 show.

It not only was the best SB halftime show, I think it was one of the best 9/11 tributes.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #272)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:17 AM

303. Agreed. I posted the video on #300

Even to this day it brings a tear to my eye.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:35 PM

237. You are wrong

It was a show, yes. But it was great, singing was great, and hardly a culural cancer.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:01 AM

43. Well it fits perfectly with the hyped up glitz and glamor of the Superbowl

Really. Do you expect something down beat with all the hype and pseudo religious fervor connected to football in this country?

I thought it suited the whole packaged deal quite well. The hype is nuts.

Just this last week there was all kinds of talk and articles about the dangers of football on the players who suffer brain damage and brain diseases because they play football. Yet it's totally forgotten as more athletes try to create more brain damage on each other. Professional football is like the Roman Coliseum games, only modern and death to the players comes slower.

And I just read an article here on DU about the human sex trafficking that goes on at these games but now I can't find it. It probably sank because it interferes with all that hype.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:05 AM

47. Yawn.

Bring back the marching bands, much more enjoyable exhibition of talent than most of the crap that has been on in recent years.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:07 AM

48. I didn't love it.

I had two tweens watching with great interest. Would have been nice if Beyonce toned it down a bit for the family hour. From that standpoint, I much preferred the Black Eyed Pea's half time. At least Fergie doesn't stripper dance.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:08 AM

50. Meh too

Couldn't understand a word of the lyrics. There were some lyrics, weren't there? All sound and fury, signifying cultural decline and the death of music. I'd rather have seen a high school marching band. Or yeah, the Andrew sisters.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:48 PM

200. That's what my mom said about The Doors and Cream and the other 60's music I listened to.

Disclosure: I like the Andrew's sisters and marching bands. I wish they would show half-time for college games. ;->

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Response to Dollface (Reply #200)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:16 PM

276. God! So many people sound like "get off my lawn types here.

DU has so many political progressives but many seem to be so behind the times on current music trends, regressive really. What happened to all the open-mindedness from the campaign? Beyonce put on a great show but so many here, like you said, sound like disapproving parents of the 50s and 60s rocker teenagers. What's next, bringing back the term "juvenile delinquent"?

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:57 PM

205. How about a really good high school jazz band and the Andrews Sisters?

I could go for that.

Maybe with a different school's marching band as warm-up act.

In many schools there's an overlap between marching and jazz, so you'd have to have two schools.

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Response to Brainstormy (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:55 AM

290. I'm with you.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:09 AM

51. I would prefer to see a high school or college marching band

than all the ridiculous crap they call entertainment.


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Response to MynameisBlarney (Reply #51)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:00 AM

90. Should be the DCI champ doing the halftime

They are after all the professionals in marching band.

Drum Corp International groups would blow your mind.

Check it out at at dci.org

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Response to kydo (Reply #90)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:17 AM

100. Oh yeah

It would be far more entertaining (to me anyway) to see something like that as opposed to major label recording artists.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:12 AM

52. I'm with you Atman

I didn't see the half-time show, thought I'd throw that caveat out there from the start. That said, I'm know I'm biased when it comes to music and performers/musicians. IMO, there are 2 distinct types of musical acts... performers (Beyonce and her ilk) and musicians. I'm not saying that Beyonce doesn't have a phenomenal voice, she does but she isn't a musician in the way I look at things. I have much more respect for a group that stands on a dark stage, playing to a room of three than I do for a million-dollar light show--if I wanted to see a Broadway musical, I'd go to Broadway.

I think it's sad that no one seems to be noticing the point you made about the equally talented dancers, performing the same moves that Beyonce did. These women and men (I don't know if there were men but I don't want to leave them out) spend years perfecting their craft so they can make others look good and make insane amounts of money, while the dancers don't make nearly as much.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #52)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:29 AM

67. Thank you! Someone got it!

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Response to Atman (Reply #67)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:23 PM

247. I get it too.

It seemed like there was a little bit of 'you didn't build that'; thrown in there as well.

Why everyone is so impressed with a single individual at a half-time show that involved millions if dollars and thousands of man-hours really doesn't make sense to me either.

I would have been more impressed if they'd have fed the poor, or helped the homeless with the millions of dollars.

I watched about 30 seconds of the half-time show and I didn't think I'd like it. Not that I have anything against Beyonce; I rarely watch the half time shows - they just aren't something I enjoy. They seem like an incredible waste of resources to me. My wife watched it and she didn't have any comments.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #52)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:32 AM

113. An example to the notion of

people spending years developing and perfecting their craft while hanging in the background
while someone else makes all the money is Taylor Swift.
You can bet her band is made up of world class musicians while she can't even sing without the use of autotuner.
Yet she makes millions...........

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Response to yesphan (Reply #113)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:31 AM

151. Taylor Swift will probably be the halftime entertainment

in the near future. I'm a substitute teacher and mentioned to a high school class one day that Taylor Swift can't sing. The girls looked at me like I was from another planet and the one boy who spoke up said, "Who cares? She's hot."

Yuck.

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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #151)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:21 PM

178. I draw the line at Taylor Swift and Justin Bieber. I can appreciate some of nearly all music/genres

But, the plasticized "creations" and the forced celebrity of the minimally talented overly produced/overly hyped just leaves me cold.

Beyonce has a voice when she chooses material and a venue to highlight it. The SB wasn't such a forum, but, rather a spectacle and thus her showmanship took front stage. I understand that and am not being critical.

But, back to Swift, Honestly, they are so over-hyping her, I think she is headed for a major "burn-out" backlash. And, yes, I agree. She really can NOT sing. Like Bieber--just a overly promoted creation. But, both Swift and Bieber appeal to pre-teens. I understand that and clearly those marketing them do as well... But, that will predictably give them limited "shelf-life"... Their time will come and go.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:14 AM

54. "I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves."

Maybe they were talented, and that is why you kept going back time after time.

"She was a prop in someone else's stage show."

I think she has more control over the show than you think. I believe she put lots of time into her show trying to perfect it. It is a big deal to her.

To each their own, I just don't see the need to degrade the person. That is what a number of your comments were meant to to.
"She was a prop in someone else's stage show." "I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves." "I just can't stand packaged sugar pops." "Disney Channel dolls."

GET OFF MY LAWN. That just about sums up your rant.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #54)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:24 AM

62. See post #44

And apparently you feel "to each his own" doesn't apply to me.

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Response to Atman (Reply #62)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 AM

72. I do feel to each his own applies to you, and you didn't like the show.

I have no problem with that. And you might not want to admit it, but your really did just have a get off my lawn moment. That is very clear.

I think Biebers music is awful. Doesn't mean that I belittle him. And that is what you have done in your rant. I used your own comments to back that up. I don't think it is all that big of a deal. Many people feel the need to do what you just did. I have heard a number of my friends say they "hate" JB. I then ask why they hate him. They say his music suck. So I have to bring them back down to earth and remind them that they don't hate JB, they just aren't a fan of his music. With many of the remarks in your op, you went to that place of hate.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #72)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:40 AM

80. No, you are totally wrong.

I never said or implied I hate Beyonce. Not at all. She has a powerful voice, she danced well. BUT, the point you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that EVERY dancer on that stage also danced the exact same moves. Why was Beyonce's "performance" more special?

This has nothing to do with "get off my lawn," or hating anyone or even preferring older music (I don't, I'm downloading new music all the time and my car radio is usually tuned to SiriusXMU).

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Response to Atman (Reply #80)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:07 AM

94. More special than what? Not sure what you mean by that.

"BUT, the point you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that EVERY dancer on that stage also danced the exact same moves."

I never even went to that point so I am not sure why you think I am failing to acknowledge it. Choreography often has multiple dancers doing similar moves in rhythm. That is nothing new. I also saw many instances where the dancers were not performing the exact same moves. You have said more than one time they did the exact same moves. If you watched the show, you would know they did not do the exact same moves. There were multiple instance where it was broken up.

Like I said, I am not big on Beyonce. I do think the show was entertaining. But some of the verbiage used was to clearly used to belittle her.

"I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves."

"I just can't stand packaged sugar pops."

"She was a prop in someone else's stage show."



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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #94)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:33 AM

114. Exactly.

Very belittling, whilst claiming he likes her.

I don't see the point. Of course the other dancers were doing similar moves. That's what they were hired to do. Beyonce is the lead singer, and the cool part is that she can dance (and keep up with the professional dancers) too. In the dance world, that gets major props.

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Response to Atman (Reply #80)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:27 AM

109. Geez, it's your opinion. We get it.

Maybe the reason Beyonce's performance/dancing seems more special to some (as you suggest) is because she's singing while dancing the same moves. In the past, a lot of lead performers (Beyonce is the lead) just sang while the dancers did all the impressive moves in the background. Nowadays, a singer has to be able to keep up with the dancers.

I happen to have 2 children aspiring to be professional ballet dancers. The woman can dance, and it's impressive because she trained to be a singer.

As dancers go -- they could all have all the best training in the world, but that doesn't mean all dancers are equal. Not by a long shot! Beyonce's background dancers no doubt had to audition to get a spot. The fact is, she hired them, and they were probably thrilled to be part of it all.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:19 AM

56. Vapid pop sucks, and if she was any good she could do her job fully dressed.

Last edited Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:38 AM - Edit history (1)

The average DUer is my parents' age, but if one of you elderly cranks wants to scold me to pretend you're with it, feel free.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #56)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:30 PM

198. She can do that when she's old.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:19 AM

57. If only...

If only there was some way to change the channel on your television so you would not be forced to watch something you don't like...maybe someday.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:20 AM

58. Okay. . .well, let's compare it to another diva's halftime performance

You can get a look at Diana Ross, who did the halftime program in 1996 at the 30th Super Bowl here:



I will say it was considered one of the most spectacular shows to that date - particularly the end, when she exited the field in a helicopter. Not bad for a diva at the age of 52.

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Response to kevinbgoode1 (Reply #58)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:05 PM

255. That was the best ever!

Diana Ross was the complete package for this type of event, she had the glamour and glitz, voice, and incredible songs.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:22 AM

60. Sorry Atman, you can't be an official Old Turd - only if you switched to Downton Abbey . . .

. . . when the halftime show began, as I did.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:23 AM

61. In other news...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:27 AM

63. Half-time is for grabbing more nachos and taking a dump...

Who the hell cares what the "show" is during halftime?

It's load of media hype to keep your eyeballs on the television so you'll watch more of their commercials.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:27 AM

64. I thought it was pretty bad

...but one of the best in recent memory.

The halftime show is always terrible.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:29 AM

69. Takes alot of stamina to dance at that level and sing at the same time. And she does write her own

music, for the most part. Many bands and solo acts use song-writers as well.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 AM

71. I hope someone's documenting this Beyoncé dustup as an example

of first-world problems.

http://first-world-problems.com/

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:34 AM

74. If I become as much of...

.. curmudgeon as some posters in this thread, someone please put me out of my misery.This is some of the same sort of bitter crap that was hurled at artists that are now considered icons of the music industry, when they were early in their careers.

But of course, the Music World should have stopped moving forward at the point you aged masters of all good taste deem appropriate, but alas, it didn't.




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Response to 99Forever (Reply #74)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:58 AM

138. Yes, it most certainly did......nft

 

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:38 AM

75. "She was a prop in someone else's stage show." BINGO!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:38 AM

76. The young will always think they are hipper than us old farts...

and the ones who are making fun of us today will be the source of ridicule in 20 years. It's just the way it is.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:38 AM

77. I like rock music too and Bruce was the best of the modern half time shows

in the last ten years. But Beyonce has a fairly good voice and actual talent. She isn't No Direction. Watch her tapes when she was young, she always could sing.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:38 AM

78. I have the exact same reaction as you. For all the hysteria surrounding her performance

at the Inauguration: "did she sing?" "did she lip synch?" "was it live?"...

I expected her to come out singing. She did more dancing and "coochie poppin" than she did singing.

As yes, there's the backing tapes. She "sang" to the backing tapes. Her background singers did most of the work as well.

Now, I now that it is a performance and dancing adds to the excitement. But again, Beyonce is a singer. An overrated singer, in my view, but a singer nevertheless. But she barely did that.

The media, afraid to criticize her for anything, went along with the hype: She was great! She was terrific! Greatest Super Bown Halftime show ever!! I disagree with all of that. She was mediocre at best. Boring at worst.

I'm disappointed because I really wanted her to showcase her vocal talent. She didn't do that.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:42 AM

81. I don't care about the content of the half-time show.

My question is why is there a half-time show at all?

It's the most important NFL game of the year. World class athletes have endured a 16-game season, plus playoffs, to get to this point.

And then the entire tempo of the game gets turned on its head due to commercials, network promos, a half-time show, and (last night) a power outage caused by what the utility spokesman called, "and electrical abnormality."

I know it's all about TV money, but there has to a way for the networks to sell commercial time and promo their shows and personalities without ruining the flow of the game.

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Response to meaculpa2011 (Reply #81)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:52 AM

134. Half time is for the players and coaches

to rest, regroup examine strategy and get re-inspired. But since we fans can't go hang out in the locker room they ("they" being "Football" - be it NFL, NCAA or local high school) give us something to watch so we don't get bored. Well, I imagine that is the goal. Tom Petty was the only performer in recent memory that didn't bore me.

I guess that's the crux - I love Tom Petty so his performance didn't bore me. Some folks like Beyonce so they weren't bored yesterday. It doesn't hurt my feelings if someone says they hated Tom Petty's performance - they get to like what they want. It shouldn't hurt anyone's feelings that some folks didn't like Beyonce's show.


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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:43 AM

82. Vapid dance pop can be fun. I like to dance to it when I go down to the city

for some nightlife.

I'm a musician and have a tendency to naturally critically analyze everything I hear, ad nauseum. With dance pop, I don't do this because it's basically all the same and it doesn't make me think. Some of the women who have been pigeonholed into the role of cookie cutter dance pop singer have nice voices. Beyonce is a pretty good singer, IMO.

Beyonce may very well desperately wish that she could express herself like Regina Spektor, but the industry has made her a dance pop star, and that's what she does.

Here's some lyrics by Pink, (LA is LA Reid the record industry honcho)

LA told me, "You'll be a pop star,
All you have to change is everything you are."
Tired of being compared to damn Britney Spears
She's so pretty, that just ain't me

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:45 AM

83. people on both sides of this topic are being silly, imho

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:55 AM

85. im an old turd and think Beyonce is a really talented perfomer.

and I thought they did a bang up job on the lighting, set and production.

also I didnt watch any of the game. saw the halftime show on internet.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:58 AM

88. what I wonder is

How did "turd" become the insult of choice?

Are people reading my posts? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=215650

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:59 AM

89. I'm an old 'lech'

and I thought it was oversexed up. And it was boring.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:10 AM

96. This turd saw the last 5 minutes & then went back to The Music Man to watch some other women dancing



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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:13 AM

98. I wish I could Rec this thread 100 times ...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:13 AM

99. What does Cenk have to do with it?

Yes, I'm being deliberately obtuse, but hey, some of us don't give a damn and didn't watch it.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:21 AM

102. I'd bring back Marching Bands...like those in Drumline.......

Or perhaps have the Conference Runners Up play one quarter for third place........

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:22 AM

103. I thought it was awful, personally

Lack of talent.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:22 AM

104. Agreed...she is over-rated and a homophobe to boot...knr

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #104)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:20 PM

277. Homophobe? Where did you get that nonsense? nt

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:24 AM

106. Lighten up people

It was entertainment. Free entertainment. (Which I think was pretty good, but that's my opinion.)
Don't like it? Take a bio break and come back later.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:25 AM

107. I think I am getting old.. I didn't care for this at all... same for Madonna and Britney Spears show

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:34 AM

116. Thank you!

Glad it's not just me. Now, to listen to some Talking Heads...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:37 AM

118. Speaking as a young professional musician...

Your post is highly condescending and ignorant.

Many of us are well aware of what good music is but are still able to enjoy something that is supposed to be a spectacle, not a concert. It's nice to still be able to have fun from time to time without being hyper-critical.

I guess I'd just rather be a "young turd" than an "old fart."

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Response to MirrorAshes (Reply #118)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:23 PM

278. THANK YOU! So many musical regressives on . . .

. . . this allegedly progressive site. What's up with that?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:38 AM

121. What happened to Feminism?

Okay... I know that opener will get me immediately branded as a scold, but it really makes me sad that we judge our female entertainers by how well they work the pole. I am a huge football fan and enjoyed every minute of the game, but when I saw my two young (4 and 7) granddaughters sitting in front of the TV in rapt attention during Beyonce's performance it made me really sad. It's 2013 ... can't we get off the pole?

I like Beyonce. I think she was wonderful and inspirational at the inauguration. I don't care if she lip-synched. I used to work for an opera company and I know what nerves can do to a performance, how cold air intake effects the windpipe. I think she squanders her talent with penis pandering cultural degradation.

I know - SCOLD-CRONE! etc. I just hate to see little girls sold a bill of goods about fictional sexual empowerment one hand while having their real life bodily rights challenged at every turn. It's a bad mix.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #121)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:42 AM

127. I agree

I was thinking the same thing. Three steps forward, five steps back for feminism it seems. Even the commercials, same old crap. Glad I don't have kids/daughters...

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #121)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:02 PM

159. I love your post. nt

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:40 AM

123. I hate the way singers murder The National Anthem. They seem to

be in a competition to see who can come up with the most outrageous tune or something. Just sing the damn song and if you can't reach the high notes don't accept the gig.

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Response to appleannie1 (Reply #123)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:13 PM

257. Absolutely!

The necessary notes are provided with the music. They sound like bagpipes....no way to stop the sound so fill in between notes with lots of gracenotes. The more extra notes, the more "AWESOME" the performance.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:41 AM

126. My Dad is 87 years old..........

I looked at him after "Bouncy" was gyrating about for what seemed like forever and said "Some people call that entertainment"! We both gave the halftime show a thumbs down.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:45 AM

130. I agree and disagree...

... The only partial song she sang that I liked and that I think is her only claim to fame is "Put a
Ring On It". She can't seem to top that one. Otherwise, I too was disappointed in the half-time show last night. I liked the pregame show best. The Sandy Hook Children's Choir and Jennifer Hudson, and Alicia Keyes.

But. Atman, I'm an old turd too. Honestly, we can't deny the young turds their time. We were young once too, and personally I think our generation's music was the the greatest. I remember flying home several times when I was young when my grandma was very old (age 97) and sitting on the side of her bed with my guitar singing John Denver songs. She loved it, or at least the smile on her face said so. There was a strong musical gene running through our family, including grandma, my mother, and now my sister, my son. We are music lovers. And even though I didn't much care for last nights performance, it was music. I would rather have heard Beyonce than some country & western extravaganza. I would have turned that off, flat out.

Each to their own, Atman. Diversity is the spice of life, and all that. We didn't like this one, but I bet you we like the next one.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:47 AM

131. What you saw last night was just the superficial aspects of Beyonce

Many of the songs she sang last night aren't her best as far as substance, but they're number one hits that are easily consumed by the masses.

She has a lot more songs that speak for millions of young women in a way that other songs haven't been able to. What you saw last night isn't the entire picture. You saw Beyonce the performer, but you're not familiar with the Beyonce the songwriter or the singer. Even if you became familiar with it, you probably wouldn't understand as it probably doesn't speak to your experiences (just like how the Dodge Ram commercial did nothing for me nor anyone else in the room).

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:52 AM

133. Hundreds of strippers ??

LOL

I agree with you.

Maybe the spectacle of it all plays much better in person.

I say bring back marching bands

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:55 AM

135. This ole woman says Beyonce's half time show was great

- it wasn't a Beyonce concert A football half time show is a completely different genre, and Beyonce designed her thrilling show accordingly. Unlike Madonna, Paul McCartney and others who did mini concerts.


If you didn't like it, so be it. No need for the snark, and the ignorant criticisms and invidious comparisons..

It is common knowledge that Beyonce is a multi-talented entertainer, engaged in all aspects of her enterprises, from conception and design to execution. She is also a shrewd businesswoman, and generous humanitarian.

Google her, haters, before saying some of the dumb stuff I'm reading on here.

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Response to appacom (Reply #135)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:19 PM

197. What appacom said. I'm old and I thought the show was upbeat and fun. Couldn't help but dance.

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Response to appacom (Reply #135)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:14 PM

206. Great post. And it's obvious the OP is not only stuck in the past but has no clue of the present

Beyonce has written damn near every song since Destiny's Child started. She is a businesswoman in every single sense of the world.

Her performance has been universally hailed by those of us who embrace the 21st century. It's been referred to as a "triumph" by more than one widely read and respected news group. I read that after the Janet/Justin kerfuffle a few years ago, the Super Bowl responded by putting up entertainers like Bruce Springsteen, Tom Petty etc. That may be some people's idea of nirvana but that would bore the ever living sh*t out of me. And that would certainly explain why I have heard very little chatter about Super Bowl half time shows before the one Madonna did last year.


Google her, haters, before saying some of the dumb stuff I'm reading on here.


Would be nice if they did, wouldn't it? Hilarious that the "old turd" comment struck the OP so hard. And with 125 recs, he obviously aint' the only one hit by it.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:56 AM

136. Great post. I agree 100 per cent. To me, it

 

wasn't entertainment but rather a chance to walk away from the tv. I would have rather watched the The Three Chipmunks perform. At least they are cute when pantomiming falsetto. It's just a matter of changing tastes among the young. Not exactly The Doors.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:58 AM

139. Too bad Elvis couldn't have performed.

He never lip-synched, always wrote the songs he performed and never was in any choreographed dance numbers.

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Response to Fredfon (Reply #139)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:58 AM

158. Heh heh....

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:01 AM

143. Any time I have seen Beyonce

she has done a show like last night's show.

I never knew she could really sing until her inaugural performance.

It is hard to understand why a performer who can really sing would not have done one number where she showed off her beUtiful voice instead of just wiggling around the stage.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:03 AM

145. The national anthem was pretty good.

Didn't watch the halftime show, spent it surfing the web.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:07 AM

147. I thought the entire event was a metaphor.

A billion dollar spectacle was held up for a half hour because privatized infrastructure couldn't be held together for 5 hours by an overworked crew of $30,000 techs.

Seriously. The only people I was cheering for were the poor bastards who worked to get the power restored.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:07 AM

148. wow

An over-hyped pop mega performance at an over-hyped mega sporting event.... color me shocked :p


Although NEITHER shows is my bag - I much prefer more intimate concerts- It wouldn't bother me in the least if if weren't for the recent article on how much money is wasted subsidizing the NFL.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:30 AM

150. Hilariously enough

the best live show I've seen lately is Dethklok.

I know it's a cartoon band, but Brendon Small can shred.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:56 AM

156. I am an OLD fart and I thought it was great.

Whining about what it was like "back in the day" is crotchety and foolish. Life goes on. We don't make buggy whips any more.

I would wager that even Dancing Mick Jagger in the full flame of his youth forty years ago couldn't keep up with the aerobic input required by Beyonce to do that number for more than a minute and a half. What she did takes TALENT.

The kids nowadays want The Full Package. They want singing, dancing, a huge Ziegfeld-style floor show, and lots of bells, whistles, lights and firecrackers. They like their singers to look good, too. This isn't Kate Smith's music industry anymore. Showmanship rules. Some pimply "old turds" with long greasy hair, hunched over their guitars pursing their lips in self-important fashion, while some acid-tripping drummer bangs senselessly on his kit just doesn't appeal to today's youth. They want music they can MOVE to, not music to get stoned by.

And your suggestion that all genres of music cannot somehow coexist, that Beyonce somehow "edges out" the stuff you like, is equally silly. Basically, she appeals to the wider demographic, and that's why she got the Superbowl gig, but that doesn't mean people have to stop listening to Mozart.

You don't like her undeniable talent? Go poop during the halftime show. Let the dogs out. Make a cup of tea.

You're really being condescending to youth by first, calling them all young turds (despite the fact that one person--one single person--crafted the "old turd" meme here, that is no excuse to take that hurtful phrase created by a single person and flip it to disparage a whole cadre of people who are -- like it or not--the future of humanity), and second, by suggesting that they are somehow stupid because you don't share their taste in music. These young kids also like someone like Adele, who doesn't do what you disparagingly and inaccurately call "stripper moves" and whose talent is so profound that she (like Beyonce) can also sing a capella. Or perhaps you missed Beyonce's press conference?

You're generalizing about the younger generations like they are stupid, you're smart, they know nothing, and you know it all. Great way to encourage them to cut our social security and medicare when they start filling the halls of Congress!

So turn on your college radio, alt rock and "anything played by actual musicians." Let the kids enjoy their stuff. If you think about it, you sound a lot like the Lawrence Welk fans who used to criticize that "crap" you listen and love to as "not actual music."

Time marches on. Learn from the past, and don't be a jerky and intolerant geezer. Live and let live.

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Response to MADem (Reply #156)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:03 PM

161. Great post.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #161)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:40 PM

166. It's not a great post at all. It's a load of crap.

Poster seemed to have taken every negative post he's read on the subject and attributed it me. I never said any of the stuff he bashed me for. You might have thought it was a "great post," but it had little to do with MY post.

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Response to bigwillq (Reply #161)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:52 PM

190. Thank you. I'm waiting for the outrage about the combo of violence and sexuality that was

happening ON THE FIELD. I think I may wait a long time while people rake Ms. Knowles over the coals!

Guys in painted on yoga pants were attacking others in excessively revealing skin tight mustard pantaloons and slamming them to the ground!

Excessively revealling clothing!!!

Violence!!!

Think of the CHILDREN....!!!!!

Why, oh WHY aren't these people who are worried about the delicate eyes of the children worried about THAT? Why didn't they just switch to the Puppy Bowl?

Oh, the huge manatee!!!!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #156)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:32 PM

235. + a million. MADem you are cool with me, in every sense of the word

Though I am really starting to wonder about all of the people saying that the half-time show should have been done by The Who, Lead Zeppelin (I'm probably not spelling that right) or other assorted oldies. You hit the nail on the head when you said:

Some pimply "old turds" with long greasy hair, hunched over their guitars pursing their lips in self-important fashion, while some acid-tripping drummer bangs senselessly on his kit just doesn't appeal to today's youth.

I left the "youth" stage of my life behind many a moon ago but I could not agree more with this sentence. Put Tom Petty or Springsteen on that stage and my ass would be knocked out within four seconds. As unfathomable as it may be for some to realize this, that music does not appeal to everyone and never has.

Beyonce is at the top of the music food chain right now and all of the hating and pining in the world for the good old boys of yesterday ain't gonna change that. And judging by the number of awards and record-shattering sales of her music, she is going to be there for quite some time.

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Response to MADem (Reply #156)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:46 PM

250. exactly so.

I notice the half-time shows. I don't expect them to appeal to me. The whole Super Bowl charade does not appeal to me. (I streamed some of it on my laptop while I watched a movie).

It's an odd event the SB halftime show has evolved into - so much energy condensed into 15 minutes. I had been getting pretty tired of the Super Bowl having old men do the show instead of younger blood. Having 80 year old rock stars continue to do the show from wheel chairs would be rather absurd. Beyonce's show was appropriate for the venue - IMO.

Of course the whole thing is sexist, over the top, macho-hype nonsense.


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Response to MADem (Reply #156)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 09:33 PM

279. WOO HOO! I love your post. You nailed my thoughts exactly

I'm disappointed with all the conservative musical attitudes on DU. What happened to all the progressives? Appreciating current trends in music doesn't mean you can't like Sinatra or Billie Holiday or Sarah Vaughan or the Beatles or the Stones or the Ramones. God, we're supposed to be the open-minded site.

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Response to brush (Reply #279)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:02 PM

280. I even like the tunes from the turn of the century that my great granny used to sing to me.

And the songs from the roaring twenties that her daughter liked.

And I love James Brown, and Luciano Pavarotti.

These people that feel like they have to hew to a musical "line" end up in a big old trench!

It's ALL good to someone; treat it like a buffet!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:57 AM

157. As long as it is not a group of decrepit rockers, it's fine by me

The halftime show with The Who was probably the worst musical performance by professionals I have ever seen. Roger Daltrey in his advanced age can't hold a pitch and it sounds like he barely has any vocal cords left at all. If it wasn't for Pete Townshend, that would have been a mediocre performance for an amateur band. I thought Beyonce's show was entertaining and the only real disappointment I had was that Jay-Z didn't make an appearance.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:10 PM

162. She doesn't even pronounce her own name right

Isn't it written with an accent on the last syllable?

That means it would be pronounced BEE-on-SAY, not be-YON-see.

IMHO, Destiny's Child was the most obnoxious sounds ever to emit from a human mouth. Nothing but gratuitous melismas ad infinitum. Not a recognizable melody anywhere. As a soloist, her music is a little better than Destiny's Child. But not much.

I've seen people here compare her to Whitney Houston. That is a crime. As a musician, she can't carry Houston's jock (or sports bra or whatever the metaphor would be.)

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:28 PM

163. Honestly.. who freaking cares?

I'm an "old turd" too and I watched the game and the show. Beyonce is what she is - a young pop singer, very pretty and has some actual talent. So big fucking deal. It's a half-time show, not a cultural watershed moment. Some people need to lighten up.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:29 PM

164. They should end the BS halftime shows completely (and NOT because of last night alone)

I watch the Super Bowl because I am a football fan and this despite only having witnessed 4 Super Bowls that had the participation of my favorite teams. I do not watch to see over-produced music videos and hate the fact that halftime - which in the regular season lasts a very heavily scripted 15 minutes - is nearly triple that for the Super Bowl. I would rather have them pack that time with all their bullshit advertising feces and just get back to the game.

Last night's ridiculous "show" and the ensuing power outage came dangerously close to influencing the outcome of a sporting event. San Francisco was on their ass and in real danger of getting blown out before the power outage saved them...minus the 45 minute halftime, that power outage would have been 30 minutes later and to anyone watching the game, that 30 minutes seemed very likely to be a knock-out blow to the Niners...

Beyonce and Prince and Madonna and all the rest are great perrformers, but we do not have an opera at halftime or a symphony or a Broadway production or a short movie...oh well, if nothing else Beyonce was not over the hill and completely washed up like most of the rest of the halftime shows of late...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #164)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:41 PM

168. Be careful what you wish for

They could bring back "Up with People"

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Response to Moostache (Reply #164)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:06 PM

194. Not. Gonna. Happen. The halftime show is a Superbowl TRADITION.

The bigger, the better. People look forward to it and they like seeing a real "topper" of a production. This has been going on for decades, well before you decided to participate as a spectator. They aren't going to change the paradigm to suit you.

Wow, your bitterness is extraordinary!

The power outage made the event memorable. And the 30 minutes wasn't a "knock out blow to the niners"--it put them back in the game. They were on their ass, losing by double digits, and that delay enabled them to regroup and almost come close enough to overtake the Ravens. The power outage turned a rout of a game, a dull, foregone conclusion, into an exciting contest.

And who has declared that it was the "fault" of the half time show that there was a power problem? I'd say a venue of that size that can't handle a shitload of lighting and pyrotechnics needs refurbishment. That was a short version of a major concert production, it wasn't anything that should have taxed a venue the size of that stadium.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:38 PM

165. I'm presupposing that most people have...

I'm presupposing that most people have rather varied opinions about subjective forms of entertainment-- music being one of them. Some people may enjoy her music and believe she's an awesome singer, while others may not, regardless whether one may think she's manufactured (much like The Monkees-- one of my favorite bands when I was young) or not.

I've always thought that if we give those things we do enjoy the same attention we give to those things we don't, we'd be much happier as both individuals and collectively. And to be honest, "That's just the way my taste runs..."




"For our differences in taste, we've been pilloried on DU...". I'd imagine that it's not so much the leaning of our likes and tastes, but the negative way and the vulgar form in which we tell others of what we may find distasteful. For example...

"I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves.", " She was a prop in someone else's stage show..." "I just can't stand packaged sugar pops..." Which to me, sounds much like something a "turd" would say, regardless of whether he is young or old...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:41 PM

167. ugh...old vs. young

Seriously? DO you realize that it is mostly "old turds" buying B's music. The ironic this, is I listen to college rock, most of my friends listen to college rock, and we are well out of college, but it is our parents that think that Beyonce is cool, not us...

(for the record, I did not even watch the Superbowl)....

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:42 PM

169. I bet you LOVE dubstep.

Or some house techno. Deadmau5 for the next superbowl halftime debacle!

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #169)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:39 PM

210. I love me some house techno!

We hit a great night at The Webster in NYC not too long ago. Skipped most of the rope line because our very pretty wives wore see-through tops -- and one of them happened to be a 28 year old Asian. Boom...we were in! Love that shit! I know that will piss some people off, but that's how it is. And that's why it pisses ME off that so many on this thread keep posting "get off my lawn" and "Andrew Sisters" and you think I'm just an old prude because of the outfits. You don't know fuck about me! Hell, I dl'd JayZ's "The Grey Album" in 2004, when it was still illegal, back when some of these punk asses were still in high school. My music collection spans most everything -- EXCEPT the old stuff you keep accusing me of listening too. I don't even like early Beatles. I sure as hell never listened to Andrew Sisters or Lawrence Welk.

And I'm getting schooled for saying I think Beyonce sucked because I'm just old?! BWHAHAHA! That's rich.

More popcorn anyone?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:45 PM

171. The 'dancing' was peculiar

As far as I'm concerned. The dancers tip toed in baby steps in those spike heeled boots. And the rest of the moves could have been made by somebody holding on to a stripper's pole. I called it the "humpty dance". Not impressed with the crotch thrust forward, knees as far apart as possible squat in your face, dance style. Gross.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:54 PM

172. As a 50 year old white male

I thought it was the best half time show I've seen. I didn't care for the songs, but that is a generational thing. The dancing was very good. It was high energy and it was a turn on, celebrating sexuality. Beyonce did the dancing better than the others (I was looking), but that is probably because she hires the others to do her moves. It is clear she practices the dancing constantly. She has a mastery over it that matches Eleanor Powell or Cyd Charisse. No, I don't think you can sing while dancing that well and that energetically, but what do I know.

Her eyes engage the audience. I don't know whether she was singing or lip synching. I've heard her national anthem without accompaniment during the last week. She can do it.

I suppose I wouldn't want my daughters idolizing this, but I don't have any kids. It was sexual and about sex. Unashamedly.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:56 PM

173. People are complaining about Beyonce's wardrobe but say nothing

 

about the guy in the Calvin Klein ad.

Why is that?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:03 PM

175. I Am With You

I also did not like the Super Bowl Halftime show. I did not like the fact that Beyonce did not do much singing. I would have liked it if she had song at least one full song. I perfer halftime show were the performer sings much of his/her music.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:24 PM

181. You are right on the money, Atman!!

I couldn't agree more!!



Bake

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:25 PM

182. The game was in New Orleans

They should have had New Orleans music. Maybe the Neville Brothers or Doctor John or the Dirty Dozen Brass Band or ...Well you get the idea. This is something I have always said, feature talent from the city where the event is being held. For instance, if the World Series or all star game ever come to Chicago, Mr. Buddy Guy or any of a HUGE number of great Blues musicians would be an excellent choice for entertainment. And every city has at least one famous entertainer hailing from there or somewhere near it seems. So even if it's country, feature locals as entertainment. Please.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Reply #182)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:33 PM

225. +100

I was thinking exactly that. Incredible New Orleans musicians to choose from. And they could use escalating scale, start with lesser known but talented people and ending with the area's best superstar, whoever that is. Meters, Nevilles, Galactic, Marsalis family, hell even Harry Connick Jr. or whatever his name is. New Orleans is full of vital, genuine music that is the soul of that city, and instead they give us vacuous pop schlock.

On a larger level, I think it is a sad cultural commentary on our country. We prefer spectacle over art, titillation over true emotional content. Frankly, on a vibe level, this year's halftime show felt evil, and would make a great example for critics of our culture in the Islamic world to hold up as a cancer that needs to be eliminated. An aggressive, war-loving, conquering culture that has no respect for anything but affluence, success, and power. Sad that this is such a large part of our culture.

There is plenty of real heart and art in this country, it just isn't valued by the zeitgeist.

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Response to Bluzmann57 (Reply #182)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:39 PM

268. EXACTLY. I have been saying this for years.

I like the Stones as much as the next person, but for God's sake -- Detroit?! The Avett Brothers and other NC musicians would be perfect for Charlotte. And think of the possibilities in Nashville...

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:27 PM

183. You echo my thoughts. I miss music. Real music.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:30 PM

185. I am sort of stunned that this is even an issue.

I teach university. I am only in my 30s. I think what most of my students listen to is god awful. But I'm not their ears nor their brains, so what do I care what people younger than me listen to? I don't care what people older than me listen to either.
Nobody was forced to watch the half time show. Don't like it? Change the channel. Me, I just envisioned The Clash on stage doing their thing, and put on the Puppy Bowl. And if you don't like the Puppy Bowl, well then you're a commie (kidding, for the humor impaired).

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:48 PM

186. I agree -don't see the post as a knock on Beyonce

Just don't see why people pay to watch "live" music that isn't live. I'm sure people enjoy the dancing and songs seem very professionally smooth. But the prop stage feel sort of has a "so what feel". In a way most performers are props in other people's stage shows so Beyonce isn't unique. It isn't new either as MGM was making big production shows as soon as movies had sound. The show was good for what it was, but I'm not convinced Beyonce is that irreplaceable to her own act. Beyonce is clearly talented, but is she the OMG unique talent so people think. Then again does it matter, a lot of things in life are based on lucky breaks. Most famous performers are not so irreplaceable and who is BIG and who is small has more to do with breaks than talent.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:50 PM

189. +100. nt

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:57 PM

192. I have heard of "young Turks" and "old farts" but not "young turds"

I guess that would be a fresh one still warm?

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:59 PM

193. If you want to sell Go Daddy, Diet Coke and the adoration of corporations you need a Beyonce.

I thought everything was as it should be. Neil Young would go over their heads and Springsteen singing about taking care of our own would be a bummer.
People want explosions, spectacle and sexual excitement. They want to be titillated. We are watching a game being played by men in tights who are some of the highest paid professionals in the country who are taught by our highest paid "educators" in college to provide excitement for commercial breaks. She fits the bill 100%. As would Bieber, Timberlake or any other modern equivalent of musical talent.
You gotta take it all in context.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:16 PM

195. She can bump and grind, and maybe she can sing

But she didn't really sing anything IMHO. (From an old turd, who saw many of the 60s greats live).

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:19 PM

196. Us old farts weren't the target audience of the show. In our day we had shit acts too.

Remember Fabian and Nancy Sinatra? What about the Archies? The Archies didn't tour or make live appearances because they didn't exist as a band.


If dance is a big part of the show, they have to lip-sync. Run a 100meter dash, then try to sing.


She can sing, but it comes down to taste in music. I'd rather go see Mariza or Sam Phillips.


BTW, American Bandstand music was lip-sync.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:48 PM

201. to each his own

the fact is that she can move millions of product off of the store shelves, sell out concerts all the world over and appeals to a lot of people, both young and old, who do not deserve to be called out of their names by someone who can't understand her appeal.

They once said the exact same thing about Elvis.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:52 PM

203. First all girl band to perform at Super Bowl and I give them all a great hand even if it is not my

personal taste in music

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 02:55 PM

204. Hey wait a second- I'm young and agree with you!

Beyonce is good on the eyes, but IMO is not a remarkable vocalist. She doesn't really match up well against the talented vocalists of the last few musical eras.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:19 PM

207. she was just shaking her half-naked body while stuff blew up?

That lady's body was completely covered up to her shoulders. Her outfit was form fitting, but she was completely covered. Look at the video again. She had boots on, she had stockings on, she had tights on. Her entire torso was covered in leather and lace and the parts that looked like her flesh was showing, was flesh colored material. It wouldn't surprise me if was a full body stocking sewn into the leather and lace teddy she was wearing. She is an entertainer and she was there to entertain.

She had more clothes on than the guy on the KK commercial and no one is fussing about that.

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #207)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:23 PM

208. Stay focused...

If you really want to measure the square inches of skin, she's was probably half-naked. But the was a very minor partial sentence of my post.

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Response to Atman (Reply #208)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:49 PM

214. but I read that and that is where it stopped for me.

You say it was a minor point in your post, but it tells me something about what people think they saw and are basing some of their negative comments on that.

I have no opinion of her performance, I didn't see it. I did see pictures of what she had on though and felt I had to point out that with the exception of her head, neck, shoulders and arms. She was completely covered.

maybe I'm commenting in the wrong thread?

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Response to notadmblnd (Reply #214)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:59 PM

216. They made a point of "stripping her" during the performance.

Again, I don't really care about that. My post was about her overall talent as displayed in this performance. She came out on stage in an already hot outfit. I get that...she's a pop star. But as part of the choreography, the other women on stage proceeded to remove layers of clothing. It stopped at what you see in all the highlights....but who knew? It was clearly designed as a stop-show...will someone remove more of her leather outfit? She hardly sang at all, she just did a strip show, but didn't actually get naked. You know, the ones they do at "burlesque" houses in places where you can't serve liquor where people are naked. Probably the places Trumad hangs out, since he claims to have never seen a real stripper.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:52 PM

215. There was a halftime show last night?

This Ravens fan was a little too excited about the actual game.

I actually paused the Super Bowl TV live at halftime, put the kids to bed, and then fast forwarded through the entire thing, stopping about half-way through Jacoby Jones' 109 yard kickoff return (wish I would have seen THAT live!)

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:07 PM

218. I don't like any half time shows...

that being said, I don't understand what all the fuss is. When halftime is on, I just surf until it is over.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:10 PM

220. Hey Atman,

I'm a roadie. I have worked with many many bands. Many you have heard of I understand exactly what you are saying. The shit that passes for music these days is sad. Used to be you went into the garage, you banged out a bunch of songs with your friends, then you gigged incessantly in clubs honing your chops and your stage skills. By the time you got on the road you were a seasoned player.

Now you go down to your local stadium when American Idol comes to town and "audition". Then if you get picked you get told where to sing, what to sing, how to sing, how to dress, how to hold the mic, how to stand, how to walk and how to play to the camera. You are focus grouped into some generic version of a pop star.

We thought we killed Disco in the late 70's. We were wrong. It came back in a dozen other forms, Rap, Hip Hop, House, Electronica, Pop, Dubstep.. it's all freakin disco music.

If it's any consolation my kids 3 teenage boys agree with us. My oldest likes some of the current music but his favorites are Buddy Holly and Queen.. My middle son has an affinity for AC/DC and my youngest is a Floyd and REM fan.

The record industry is dying, soon most artists will be using things like Reverb Nation to release their own material. While you won't see bands selling 20 million records anymore you will see a larger variety of bands making a decent living doing it on their own.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #220)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:47 PM

229. Good post. My own son has recorded some awesome "songs" on his MacBook.

Seriously. Good vocal mixing. We encouraged him along the way by buying him an eight track mixing board for his Mac, and he plugged in his keyboard, his mic, his guitar, and layered it with loops from GarageBand. It's as good as anything I've heard on "college radio." But how do you make a living now? He's going on tour with his MacBook?

It reminds me of long ago, going to see World Party at Stowe Vermont. WP consistent of Mark Wallinger of The Waterboys. That was it. He played every instrument, sang every vocal. And this was long before the MacBook or GarageBand. Old fashioned tape loops. So when he play "live," he had to hire session musicians to re-create the stuff that he had originally recorded. It sounded perfect. Too perfect. Between the loops and the session musicians sticking to script, there was no life to the concert. I could have sat in a field and listened to a big loud amp playing one of World Party's CD's.

That's why Beyonce has to do a million-dollar stage show, and what "the kids" don't understand. Bands used to rely on their talent, and cheap shit like a cherry picker (to hover Mick Jagger over the crowd with a wireless mic!) or some douche like David Lee Roth, drunk off his ass, jumping off the drum set onto a tumbling mat. It was lo-rent, but the music was always REAL. Super real. They make up for it now with pyrotechnics, a hundred dancers, and lip syncing. And they charge $140 a ticket.

BTW, the last major show I saw was Peter Gabriel's New Blood Orchestra...call me an old fart, but it was one of the finest concerts I've ever seen. He had the giant JumboTron screens all over the place. Many of the same effects and lighting features Beyonce used...but he had a REAL 46 piece orchestra, plus a band that played real music while he sang real songs. I know that is not what the SB halftime show is for, but it saddens on of my boys has only been dragged to a Hillary Duff arena show by his girlfriend, while my other son has at least camped in a soggy field for a weekend for a multi-stage rock-fest with twenty bands. But shit...I used to see three or four major arena shows a summer. Now, no one can afford one, and if you do, you're seeing pre-packaged pap. It's just sad. That's all I'm saying.

These damned kids think they know music -- GET OFF MY LAWN!

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #220)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 05:23 AM

298. OMG SF - that is an interesting theory

I DETEST most of today's shit "music" and I DETESTED DISCO back in the day - I did not consider it real music! Maybe I was spoiled by Radio Caroline which I picked up off the east coast of England. And may I say your children are awesome?

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:24 PM

223. Seriously? Or are you being facetious?

In any objective sense that halftime show was a magnificent. No comparison to a guy playing guitar in a coffee shop or on college radio. The vast majority of those guys, BTW, wouldn't think twice before accepting a gig like that. Most of those guys take up guitar because they are trying to get laid.

Nobody believe Beyonce created the set, which is part of what made the show great. This show is for those who respect teamwork, what can be accomplished as a part of a great collaborative effort. I find solitary artists mean spirited and pretentious, in most cases.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:31 PM

224. Get off my lawn!

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #224)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:48 PM

230. It's funny how the same tired posters post the same tired cliches.

You, PeaceNikki, LanternWaste, etc, etc, etc...you think you have some incite, but you don't know a thing about what I posted.


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Response to Atman (Reply #230)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:49 PM

231. Oh, wait...

You forgot to say we should have the Andrew Sisters play at the next Super Bowl.

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Response to Atman (Reply #230)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:58 PM

232. I'm a college lecturer who studies and lectures on music

and art and culture.

I have a massive album and CD collection of all kinds of music. I grew up on 70s rock music, played The Smiths and The Ramones on college radio as a DJ and was in Chapel Hill during the 90s alternative movement. Tell me how you know I don't have any insight.

Anyway, it was a just a joke! I'm sorry I didn't notice that PeaceNikki had already made it.

ON EDIT: What's this "same old tired posters?"

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #232)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:41 PM

239. Judging by your post, you're exactly what we're all being pilloried for!

"The kids" will laugh at your CD collection. A CD is what they used to burn MP3s to so they could trade music with friends. Our "old curmudgeon" version of mix tapes.

I have about 1,500 CD's in boxes in the basement. Every now and then I recall a song I miss and go digging through them. I've burned probably 1/4 of them to my Mac. My music library is by far the largest hard-drive eater on my computer. Even at a curmudgeonly 53 years old, I still LOVE new music. That is why I have little patience for the children who think they know better. Fuck 'em. Don't judge a person by their DU post. I was labeled an old curmudgeon because I didn't like Beyonce's staged performance. I guarantee most of those people would be happy to trade me for much of my music collection (but that's not legal, so I won't do it).

Just sayin'. Not all of us "old curmudgeons" are curmudgeons. Get over your fucking selves.

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Response to Atman (Reply #239)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:56 PM

243. It was cotton candy.

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Response to Atman (Reply #230)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:12 PM

307. "Not only are sales of old-fashioned albums booming, it's the young who are buying"

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:36 PM

226. Arranged to make money

The whole packaging of these pop stars is to make the most money possible.

I imagine if Norah Jones rolled around in whip cream between playing the piano, she could make more millions too. Or maybe not because some of her fans would feel they were being played, no pun intended.

Beyondce and Super Bowl = Dog and Bone

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:07 PM

233. To her credit, you could watch the performance with one hand.

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Response to Flatulo (Reply #233)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:44 PM

241. But there's still the Doritos and the Remote!

AHA! A little Taco Bell on my cajones!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:42 PM

240. THANK YOU

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:52 PM

242. C'mon...240x repiles and 140x recs...

So, yeah, it means nothing. Unless you actually think about it.

What other subjects drums up these numbers? People (even DUers) respond to what they relate to, and/or are passionate about. If this thread got 10 recs, sure, you win. That would be a normal response. But it didn't. It got serious response.

What does that mean?

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Response to Atman (Reply #242)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:25 PM

248. I imagine you believe it means something else.

"What does that mean? "

That you enjoy the self-validation of mere opinions regarding a musician. But I imagine you believe it means something else.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:56 PM

244. Byonce did not impress me one bit. Maybe she does have a talent that some appreciate.

I'm seen strippers do the same things also. I've seen Asian girls lip-sync American many, many times. Byonce is like many in the 'country' music field today. They are selected by music promoters and publishers to be the 'new' style. Their appeal is basically if they look sexy, wiggle around a bit, that's what they are going to sell the public. Most of them could not play an instrument if their lives depended on it. It's almost canned music with a presenter on stage.
If what someone like Byonce does is great talent, then I don't need that type of great talent. The Stones, the Eagles, the Beatles and many many more are great talent. Some like the Who still produce great stage shows. Byonce couldn't carry water for them

I also listen to NPR and Public Radio because it's not the same recycled, lack of talent crap.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

245. It was ok.

 

I didn't watch the game but after reading through all of the posts here today it prompted me to go watch the video, all 13 plus minutes of it. Here is my professional opinion. The stagecraft was really good. The pyro and other effect lighting seemed to trigger in perfect time. The choreography was so so, a 5 out of 10. She seemed to be in the wrong spot during the synchronized portion. The dancing was nothing special at all. Michael Jackson she ain't, not even in the same league. The vocal performance was good. She hit a few notes that I thought were very pleasing, but nothing so special to warrant it as the best show ever. But then again Beyonce doesn't float my vocal boat. I thought her outfit was hot, hot, hot. She is a gorgeous woman and that is her main asset in my opinion. The guitar with the sparks was flat out retarded. A guitar is an instrument not a stage prop.

Anyway I would rate the overall performance as a 7.5 out of 10.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:00 PM

253. I do not like Beyonce at all

Her music just isn't my cup of tea, but musical taste is subjective and just because something doesn't appeal at all to my ears doesn't necessarily make it bad. I too am old school and I personally think that singers like Sarah Vaughan, Ella Fitzgerald, Gladys Knight, Aretha Franklin, Etta James, Dinah Washington among others could sing circles around Beyonce, both in terms of sheer voice as well as in terms of emotive interpretation. But I guess I'm just an old turd, too.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #253)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:51 PM

261. You just listed many of my favorite singers as well!

Now THAT was singing! I am neither old nor young, but most of the music I love was made before I was even born (I am also a big classical music fan). I love classical jazz and even classic rock, but pop has never been my thing. It all sounds the same to me. I have nothing against Beyonce, but her music just isn't my thing.

I did not see the halftime show, but I have seen some clips of it and I did not find it particularly offensive. However, I did not find it particularly interesting either. It just doesn't resonate for me.

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Response to aint_no_life_nowhere (Reply #253)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:50 PM

273. Beyonce, Britney, Rihanna, Katy, JLo, Fergie...

none of them sound good to me. Quite frankly, I can't tell most of them apart. Love the artists you listed above, particularly Etta James, who I got to see live. Her singing "At Last" gave me chills; Beyonce singing it confirmed my belief that certain classics just shouldn't be touched. Like anyone but Brando playing Stanley Kowalski...

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:02 PM

254. I guess I am an old turd and I dont mind the label. I just think

it childish to try to ridicule older people that might not like what you like. (wasnt aimed at the OP but the poster that thought he would try to ridicule those that disagree with him). I personally dont like the halftime shows. When it comes to using more rockets, more dancers, more gimmicks, to try to make a good performance, you lose me. If you like that, more power to you. I have nothing against Beyonce and I certainly dont care if she lip syncs, but I wouldnt go across the street to see her.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:07 PM

256. Amen!

Now, something like a mini Clapton's Crossroads Concert would make a kick butt half time.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:30 PM

259. Bwahahaha, you go get 'em! "Young turds".



I love it. And I am amused by the young turds who have a problem with this.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:49 PM

260. Really?


My problem with show was, well, the show. The young turds keep saying what a great singer/performer Beyonce is. But I saw 20-30 other women on that stage dancing the exact same steps as Beyonce, against a million-dollar backdrop of lighting, video displays and pyrotechnics. Beyonce wasn't even singing (or lip syncing) for much of the time, she was just shaking her half-naked body while stuff blew up, and lights flashed in a display which probably sent a few epileptics into shock.
...
Meh. I've seen a hundred strippers do the same moves. Beyonce didn't write the music, didn't build the stage, didn't fire off the rockets, hell, she can't even play an instrument. She was a prop in someone else's stage show.


Yeah, so Beyonce was the first singer that was pretty, and a good dancer, and benefited from a good stage, choreographer and technicians?
Have you ever been to a Rolling Stones' concert? What does Mick Jagger do, other than growl, gyrate and watch the Keith Richards play guitar?
Did Elvis Presley have some "pelvis" issues?
More news for you old timers, uh, those Jazz legends, yeah, uh, Cole Porter's "Let's Do It" is a double entendre. And the other entendre is the two people will be having sex. Hard, sweaty sex. And unless the recording you hear is Cole Porter singing, the person you hear did not write it, is probably using someone else's arrangement, and got to that point in their career because they have nice tits/ ass/ pecs/ eyes/ etc.
For further reference, research fat, ugly successful musicians and lead actors.

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Response to Phaedrus76 (Reply #260)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:34 PM

264. Uhm, yes...

I've been to two Stones concerts.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:12 PM

262. What that halftime show needed was a good old fashioned wardrobe malfunction!!

As far as I'm concerned, they can just bring back the marching bands. I have not and never will watch the Super Bowl for the halftime show. A marching band will fill in just as well.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:27 PM

263. I suppose if you knew that she actually has a very hands on

approach with her entire show, including costumes, and has been since Destiny Child Days, then u wouldn't sound like a judgemental person. I think that group may actually be responsible for making that sort of dance uniform more widely chosen by other artists to dance in. I believe the reason for the high cut outfits is show off the legs and her power house dance routines, and no, that is very skilled dancing. Stripping is all about slow sensual moves; not the high power dance energy that her performances are known for.

As far as sound goes, the half time show doesn't usually play well on TV. The arena sound music being pumped in around people in attendance along with the singer coming in on live microphone picked up through the TV, has never showcased any artist in a favorable light.

If one had never been exposed to Beyonce, her power house shows, her talent on songs that aren't "club dance showcases" and know her outside work with worldwide charities and causes, then the show was probably more unappreciated by you.

For me, in college, the group was one of the top played groups featured alongside men in a hip- hop/ R&B type of music that was pumped into the clubs and that young women and men would dance and grind to. It was "power to the female- I'm worth a lot- ain't going to take men shit, but will recognize respectful love" type of messaging. Most women my age who grew up with her on the radio and her fist pumping, women rock, my body is hot with curves and muscled legs and no need to enhance a chest or what not to be beautiful and comfortable and rock.

Perhaps, that's why many on the boards are saying she is talented and super woman. She's one of the reasons for some of the other female artists are able to compete alongside men in the same venue and be a "serious" heavy weight in the music industry. They designed their own clothes. Many times as a group, at award ceremonies, the group was wearing their own designs in a "group look" but with their own individual flairs to change the outfit to express themselves.

Personally, I thought she was widely enough known that people would recognize her various hits over the years and recognize her former 2 group members that came on stage with her for a couple of songs. Then again Lady Gaga and Pink probably would get the same type of reviews for their performances.

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Response to glowing (Reply #263)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:39 PM

269. You might have wanted to watch the Pre-game

The designer talked about his design. HIS design. But Beyonce kept losing weight, do he kept having to revise it. But oh yeah...Beyonce designed all the outfits. Fantasize on. Me all gotta have our heroes.

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Response to Atman (Reply #269)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:24 PM

281. I didn't say she designed the halftime show; that would be like her designing the Grammys,

I'm saying that she has and the outfit was very typical of something she'd wear and many stars wear on stage.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 10:52 PM

282. I think it could be argued that the whole spectacle

was a bombastic piece of poetic justice and somewhat fits where America is "at" right now. The Super Bowl, like many things in our society, has become just another opportunity to squeeze as much cash out of a duped populace as possible. That is proven literally in the fact that the game is no longer as important as the commercials that are shown. Even websites that used to be reputed for substance, such as CNET, chime on and on about the cost of the commercials. It speaks incredibly loudly about what we value as a society. We are watered down, lacking depth and substance, and digitized.

It's been reported that Beyonce's rehearsals also caused the lights to go out. The million dollar light show was most likely the cause of the power outage which leads one to ask "is it possible we demand too much to be entertained?" I saw a lot of lights and a lot of leg and not much else. Where was the emotion? Where was the connection that music is supposed to bring? Where were the goosebumps that come from hearing the greatest singers amongst us? They were not on that stage and that is what's sad and says so much about us.

We as a society have become sanitized with generic American Idol singers who all sound the same. In these days of digitally compressed everything we have lost our uniqueness and our ability to just be and breathe. That is why the bombast is there. To cover up the fact that there is no emotional connection. There is no substance.

Another thing that comes to mind is that the Super Bowl is in and of itself a microcosm of the larger game of war. And we are a warring nation that is now reflecting on a decade of war and confusion in regards to why we fight. I find it ironic that after the lights went out because the "show" was too bombastic, the other team very nearly won the "game." (For those not in the know Google Rudyard Kipling The Great Game) I know my analogy is a touch extreme but American football as a whole must be a psychologist favorite sport to analyze. And don't get me started on the homosexual undertones that exist with terms like "wide receivers", "tightends", and "fullbacks". Or is it just me thinking these things! Ha!

Nonetheless it's a violent sport that mirrors war and taking territory while throwing bombs and gaining ground with a lot of ass slapping. All the while we cheer like good Romans and gather the next day at the water cooler or on Facebook and pontificate loudly about what took place. That's entertainment!

And that entertainment keeps us happy. Blinded but happy or so it would seem. The Super Bowl is the respite from the problems we face as a nation. It's part of our national consciousness. A reason not to dwell on what plagues us. On one positive note ( I don't have too many) the Sandy Hook children were there reminding us of who we are and what we currently stand for and need to change. Their presence was definitely the highlight for me. Apart from that it was business as usual.

To me the superficialness of the half time show is a chance to look inward and ask ourselves what are we really about. Everything is digital, everything is similar, everything is in "your" face. But what I think is lacking and what the world needs to see from us is the putting aside of our American ego. The world doesn't want us to be louder or more nationalistic. It wants us to focus inward to think, to feel, to understand compassion and emotion. We needed a half time show that shows we are human beings and not automatons. We need songs on the scale of "Imagine" sung by maybe a Mary J. Blige (who incidentally has real soul) or a Teo Torriatte (obscure Queen song about togetherness for those not familiar)Instead we had the bombast and the power outage. We had poetic justice. That's what I saw. Here's to hoping next year is better.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:11 PM

284. No one cares

what the halftime show has to offer. Much Ado About Nothing.
How come no one cares that the power outage was caused by an al Qaeda cell funded by OJ Simpson.

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Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:17 PM

285. I didn't see her show, but wasn't impressed with Madonna's last year. It seemed to be a lot of

flashy crap with smoke and a hundred back up dancers. IIRC they carried her onto stage as if she were some kind of Goddess.

I also saw Springsteen perform at the Super Bowl ,I believe 3 or 4 years ago. I do not remember him needing a bunch of that crap to make him look good.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:37 PM

287. I wanna say something.

Hi to the people of DU.

I'm a dude in his 30's from Canada and I know NOTHING about football and NOTHING about Beyonce and her type of music so I can't juge that event. I know that I like R'N'R really a lot. But I found funny that the discussion got to the point of are the R'N'R' bands that plays, The Who and The Stones too old for that. It got me thinking.

Long story short, I had a discussion about that recently (but not just about the Superbowl) and I think the powers that control the media sucks. (we all know that) and they will never put a good band thats not been around for 40 + years in those spotlights. I find that sad.

But if those peformers where lipsincing though I can't understand why some people would defend that.

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Response to dead_head (Reply #287)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 12:03 AM

289. Tragically Hip rocks and welcome to DU brother!

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 01:42 AM

293. All this time I thought music and the visuals were subjective. To each their own and whatnot

I'll be sure to consult with you on if something is good before making up my mind.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 02:20 AM

294. funny thing is when Madonna

did her half time show I don't remember all of the talk about her outfit, lack of singing while dancing, or dislike of dance music. but b does it and it's the end of the world. hatred are going to hate. lol.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 04:51 AM

295. The Superbowl show is supposed to be a spectacular . . .

The quality of the music -- as long as it doesn't interfere with the quality of the spectacle -- just doesn't matter.

And while I personally found the show ridiculous, I can't complain that it wasn't spectacular. And for the record, half-naked women dancing provocatively is absolutely culturally appropriate to the moment.

And as for the notion of "not a nickel for fun until all the world's problems are solved . . ." well, that just validates how painfully apt your self-selected appelation seems seems to be.

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Response to Atman (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 06:55 AM

301. It was basically a burlesque review...

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