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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:38 PM

Saudi Cleric who raped, tortured murdered 5 year old daughter must pay fine

"blood money", to mother.

A prominent Saudi Arabian preacher who raped his 5-year-old daughter before torturing her to death has been spared a death sentence or even a lengthy prison term after agreeing to pay "blood money" to the slain girl's mother.

Fayhan al-Ghamdi, a former drug addict who rose to national prominence as an Islamic television preacher, was arrested last November and charged with brutally raping and torturing 5-year-old Lama al-Ghamdi to death. According to a medical report, the little girl had been tortured with whips, electric shocks and an iron. She had broken arms, a broken back and a fractured skull. She died on October 22.
According to social worker Randa al-Kaleeb, Lama had been raped "everywhere." Hospital staff told the girl's mother that her "daughter's rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed," Agence France-Presse reports.
It wasn't the first time that al-Ghamdi abused his daughter. Last April, he was accused of torturing her so badly that her skull was fractured and she sustained brain damage.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/342697#ixzz2JrYFdWzL

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Reply Saudi Cleric who raped, tortured murdered 5 year old daughter must pay fine (Original post)
cali Feb 2013 OP
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #1
cali Feb 2013 #3
dkf Feb 2013 #5
dsc Feb 2013 #26
GCP Feb 2013 #41
dsc Feb 2013 #61
dsc Feb 2013 #63
cali Feb 2013 #56
uponit7771 Feb 2013 #104
Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #14
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #20
Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #21
cali Feb 2013 #22
kestrel91316 Feb 2013 #23
cali Feb 2013 #24
The Straight Story Feb 2013 #29
ohiosmith Feb 2013 #25
cali Feb 2013 #30
ohiosmith Feb 2013 #31
GCP Feb 2013 #44
Lizzie Poppet Feb 2013 #27
AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #35
woo me with science Feb 2013 #96
AverageJoe90 Feb 2013 #36
Dan Feb 2013 #2
Squinch Feb 2013 #6
dkf Feb 2013 #4
polly7 Feb 2013 #7
LongTomH Feb 2013 #18
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #38
jberryhill Feb 2013 #8
cali Feb 2013 #12
Lone_Star_Dem Feb 2013 #19
polly7 Feb 2013 #51
freshwest Feb 2013 #101
pkdu Feb 2013 #9
kiva Feb 2013 #10
indepat Feb 2013 #11
live love laugh Feb 2013 #13
JI7 Feb 2013 #32
virgogal Feb 2013 #37
malaise Feb 2013 #15
alphafemale Feb 2013 #16
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #65
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #66
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #68
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #69
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #72
DURHAM D Feb 2013 #74
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #77
alphafemale Feb 2013 #70
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #73
alphafemale Feb 2013 #91
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #92
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #83
cali Feb 2013 #71
muriel_volestrangler Feb 2013 #75
obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #82
Democracyinkind Feb 2013 #103
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obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #34
Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #39
cali Feb 2013 #45
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obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #47
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GCP Feb 2013 #40
smirkymonkey Feb 2013 #110
backscatter712 Feb 2013 #42
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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:39 PM

1. In the US we call such people 'corporations' - you only pay fines for crimes (nt)

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:42 PM

3. I find your comment sadly clumsy and insensitive

but way to drag something in that has jackshit to do with this terrible story about brutality to a girl child and the acceptance of it.

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:46 PM

5. +1000

 

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:01 PM

26. actually have to say that is well on point

think of Halliburton and the woman who was raped as one example. Yes this crime is more horrific but I bet that corps have done nearly as bad.

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Response to dsc (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:57 PM

41. OFFS

Get off your soapbox for 5 minutes. This was a little girl, who's short time on earth was hellish.

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Response to GCP (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:38 PM

61. Here is an example of thousands of deaths, many kids, no one jailed

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1979/11/corporate-crime-century

400 Iraqis died in 1972 and 5,000 were hospitalized after consuming the by-products of 8,000 tons of wheat and barley coated with an organic mercury fungicide, whose use had been banned in the U.S.
An undisclosed number of farmers and over 1,000 water buffalos died suddenly in Egypt after being exposed to leptophos, a chemical pesticide which was never registered for domestic use by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) but was exported to at least 30 countries.
After the Dalkon Shield intrauterine device killed at least 17 women in the United States, the manufacturer withdrew it from the domestic market. It was sold overseas after the American recall and is still in common use in some countries.
No one knows how many children may develop cancer since several million children's garments treated with a carcinogenic fire retardant called Tris were shipped overseas after being forced off the domestic market by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).

I admit this is an old example but the fact is corporations routinely kill their workers with nothing but fines happening.

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Response to GCP (Reply #41)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:47 PM

63. Here is an exmple of 29 dead, no prison for anyone

http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/04/03/no-fault-corporate-crime/

These agreements were originally meant for minor street cases, not major corporate crime cases.



When the Department entered into a non-prosecution agreement last year to resolve criminal investigation into the Upper Big



Branch mine disaster, Uhlmann wrote a scathing opinion article in the New York Times titled “For 29 Dead Miners, No Justice.”



“Twenty-nine miners died in West Virginia. They died because Massey had a history of mine safety violations,” Uhlmann told us.



“They died at a facility where the company kept a double set of books – one for internal purposes, which documented violations, and one for mine safety officials that covered up those violations.”



“To enter a non-prosecution agreement in a case where 29 people died and there is so much evidence of criminal wrongdoing reflects poorly on the Justice Department.”

end of quote

I could go on, but won't.

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Response to dsc (Reply #26)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:17 PM

56. no, it really isn't.

it's threadjacking, but whatevre.

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Response to dsc (Reply #26)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:58 AM

104. +1

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:05 PM

14. Please self-delete. This is highly offensive as well as very stupid (nt)

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:15 PM

20. DO NOT delete, no matter how many pro-corporation types demand it.

You attacked no person. You made a valid point, and I totally get it.

Ignore the corporate shills.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:18 PM

21. +1000

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:19 PM

22. oh for fuck's sake. please THINK or at least give it a fucking try

the comment has nothing whatsoever to do with the thread and it's callous and disrespectful. Frankly, I did not and would not call for its deletion. If someone wants demonstrate that they are callous and insensitive, go for it.

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Response to cali (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:51 PM

23. The comment has EVERYTHING to do with how someone powerful gets away

with doing great harm and only gets a slap on the wrist.

Did you miss that part?? I guess you were too busy getting potty-mouthed with me to notice.

What's "callous and insensitive" is giving ANYONE in power who gets away with doing great harm a complete pass. But carry on with carrying water for the corporations.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:55 PM

24. no, it really doesn't. tenuous at the very best. Sure, on some level absolutely

everything is connected, but it's exceedingly sloppy thinking to try and connect corporate malfeasance, an indubitably important topic, with the rape and torture murder of a child.

Critical thinking is not carrying water for corporations. you're being ridiculous.

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Response to cali (Reply #24)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:26 PM

29. Let me try to explain it

The world over corporations, or people in power in general, get away with murder and more all of the time.

2259 people died in the Bhopal incident. 11 people died in the BP explosion on the Gulf.

We have blood diamonds. The Ogoni people "When the Ogoni people of Nigeria began to nonviolently protest Shell’s oil development, Shell colluded with the Nigerian military regime to violently suppress opposition through extrajudicial killing, torture, and crimes against humanity. More than 60 villages were raided, over 800 people were killed, and 30,000 more were displaced from their homes."

The list goes on and on.

In some countries the people in power are there because of a religion. In others they are in power because of wealth and corporate power.

In both cases they get away with just about anything they want with at most, usually, just a small fine.

We abhor things as seen in the OP - and yet we let the same things happen here time and again with little to no press or outrage against them.

"A private equity fund run by Goldman Sachs Group Inc, under fire over its business ethics, has agreed to sell back its stake in a media company that critics say facilitates sex trafficking." - gosh, all they did was help fund it, and they didn't even get a fine.

We have problems here, in our own country, that we should be outraged over and taking measures to prosecute and stop. Instead, like in this case, we dole out some fines.

I can be outraged at both, but only one is in a region I can do much about.

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Response to cali (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:01 PM

25. This post was alerted on! Tick Tock! UPDATE: the jury voted 5/1 to let the fucking post stand!

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

At Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:53 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

oh for fuck's sake. please THINK or at least give it a fucking try
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2305651

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

No need tor this level of profanity in defense of corporations.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:04 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: There is no more profanity in it than in many other posts on DU. If we're going to hide every post that has the word "fuck" in it more than once, we'll be hiding an awful lot of posts.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: We can fucking use whatever fucking words we want on these fucking boards.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The alert should have been on the poster calling her a corporate shill.that deserved a rude reply.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The post is not fucking defending fucking corporations! Fucking read the fucking post! Leave it for fuck's sake!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to ohiosmith (Reply #25)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:33 PM

30. lol. that made me laugh. It takes willful obtuseness

to claim my post was in defense of corporations.

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Response to cali (Reply #30)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:38 PM

31. So you know cali, I was juror number fucking six!

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Response to cali (Reply #22)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:59 PM

44. They can't get down off their soapbox even for something as heinous as this

I agree with you 1000%.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:04 PM

27. So pointing out a horribly tone-deaf, insensitive threadjacking blurt...

...that happens to be about corporations makes one a "corporate shill?" That's the most ridiculous fucking thing I've heard in weeks.

I alerted on that shit...and for the record, I'm a socialist. Pro-corporation my skinny goth ass...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #27)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:46 PM

35. Seconded! From a liberal progressive Texan. n/t

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:11 PM

96. +100000 Thank you.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:48 PM

36. I'm sorry, but WTGDF?

I get that corporate corruption is bad. Everybody here does. But this comment was totally fucking insensitive, even if not intended to be so. Get a clue, would ya?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:41 PM

2. This is one

sick SOB

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Response to Dan (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:47 PM

6. And he's free to do this again.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:45 PM

4. This guy can't be stopped.

 

He needs to be locked up forever. If the Saudis don't recognize what a danger he is then they are the crazy ones.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:50 PM

7. I normally don't believe in capital punishment, but this is one

I'd make an exception for. I'm betting if the mother had had a choice, she'd have picked 'blood' over money. The pain that little one went through is just unimaginable. What a sick freak.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:59 PM

18. I have to agree! I'm usually against the death penalty; but, in this case I'd make an exception!!

Take the mofo out and chop his head off!

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Response to polly7 (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:54 PM

38. What a sick f**K.

This is one case in which I would gladly advocate the death penatly.

Sorry, I know that's not popular here, but there are some people in the world who really deserve it and this is one of them.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:52 PM

8. How much?

So, how much does it cost to rape and kill Saudi children?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:07 PM

12. if it had been a boy, he would have had to pay twice as much.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #8)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:14 PM

19. $50K for a girl $100K if it's a boy.

That's what I read a few days ago in the BBC.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21281992

I'm not sure what additional costs are incurred getting a judge to absolve you of such a hideous crime.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #19)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:07 PM

51. Yes.

"Reports indicate the father had doubted his five-year old daughter's virginity.

Lama al-Ghamdi died last October. The amount her father was fined for the brutal rape, torture and murder, would have been doubled if Lama had been male. In Saudi Arabia, Islamic law is interpreted to be that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.

Human rights activists point out that judicial leniency towards male abusers and murderers reflects the highly problematic nature of the male guardianship system in Saudi Arabia. Currently all women in Saudi Arabia are considered minors, and all are automatically assigned to the care and judgment of their most immediate male relative. This system of male guardianship gives the male relatives the power to sell girls legally into child marriages and to ban adult women from work, travel and obtaining medical operations."


http://www.examiner.com/article/saudi-arabia-islamic-cleric-rapes-tortures-kills-daughter-pays-fine


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Response to polly7 (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:50 PM

101. There it is right there in their legal system. Theocracy? No thanks, folks.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:56 PM

9. I am anti-violence, anti-war , anti-gun and pro-rule of law.....BUT..

If he was a relative of mine , he'd be a dead man. Call that hypocritical , call that whatever you like...but when a system that is designed to " protect " (sorry , can't think of a better phrase right now) your right to do that to someone...then I start to see merit in " eye for an eye " .

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:57 PM

10. This was very hard to read,

and I didn't go to the article - it's heartbreaking and scary and horrific. The fact that this man is walking around free makes it clear that the Saudi justice system should drop the word 'justice' from its name.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:07 PM

11. How rotten, corrupt, and inhumane must it get before the world say enough?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:03 PM

13. I hate guns but I would shoot this MF dead. nt

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Response to live love laugh (Reply #13)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:41 PM

32. that would be too easy and painless

this makes me want to support torture .

and fuck the saudi leadership

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Response to JI7 (Reply #32)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:54 PM

37. +1----One of the most horrendous accounts of child abuse ever.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:05 PM

15. That should be my daughter

That fucking criminal would already be dead

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:21 PM

16. Rape the fucker through an eye socket with a drill.

Alert this. I don't give a fuck. I typed it and it was read.

Fuck all of these baby fucking religious fucks to a painful slow death.

That's all I ask.

Hopefully one that smells so bad that people puke when they come into your death room.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #16)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:10 PM

65. What do you give a fuck about?

If you said that out loud, do you think anyone wouldn't think of you as a violent psychopath?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #65)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:12 PM

66. Not if you're talking about doing that to a child molester/murderer. n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:18 PM

68. Really? You think people are pro-torture?

Just imagine someone writing a letter to their local paper, advocating drilling into people's eyeballs as part of the sentence. If you saw that, would you think "a reasonable feeling for a progressive", or would you think "that's the kind of unhinged vicious bastard that posts on Free Republic"?

Would any normal person think that the death penalty is an insufficient deterrent against such rape and murder - that there is some person that thinks "I'd do these horrible things to a child if all I risk was being put to death, but it's the chance they'll make me die in agony that makes me decide not to"?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:19 PM

69. I call it blowing off steam.

Because what this "man of God" did was beyond depraved.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #69)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:28 PM

72. What would your reaction be if a ten year old said it?

Would you think "that's a mature view", "they're just blowing off steam", or "oh my god, we've got to get this child to a psychologist"? Or something else?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #72)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:36 PM

74. Your reaction is very telling.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #74)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:38 PM

77. In what way?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:26 PM

70. fuck the fuck off my ass

the freak...raped a child...to death.

you might want to keep your fucking empathy for baby fucker killers to yourself ...just a clue.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #70)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:34 PM

73. I'm pretty sure you don't know what 'empathy' means

judging by the way you've just used it. There are 2 societies with problems here. One is Saudi Arabia, where a psychopath can become a cleric, commit a vile crime against his child, and get off with a wrist slap. The other is the USA, with people like you in - who want to torture. There is a discussion going on in Meta-discussion on whether you are in favour of just torture, or of torture and rape as a form of punishment.

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #91)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:40 PM

92. Life is not a competition to see who can torture someone else the most

The cleric tortured his daughter. You don't fix anything by torturing him too. You are being very offensive by lying and saying that I side with the man. But, mainly, you are showing you have a deep personal desire to see people hurt. You need to fix that.

I'll ask you the same question I asked backscatter712: if you heard a ten year old saying they wanted a rapist and murderer's eyes drilled out (and raped to death? We're still not sure if that's what you're advocating), how would you react? Would you applaud the child?

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Response to alphafemale (Reply #70)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:04 PM

83. MV didn't show the cleric any "empathy"

That word doesn't mean what you think it does.

I agree with MV btw. Wanting to see the person who raped a child to death raped to death is an... interesting viewpoint, now isn't it?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #68)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:27 PM

71. hey, muriel. I agree with you but I do think that people

in this thread are pretty clearly just blowing off steam. This story is so horrific I think people are sort of in shock.

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Response to cali (Reply #71)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:37 PM

75. People who 'blow off steam' by suggesting painful tortures are a problem

and should be called out on it. If they think it's big and clever to invent more and more painful ways of hurting people they despise, they are more more likely to support torture in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib. There's also the question of whether they want people hurt just to please themselves.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #66)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:02 PM

82. Someone who would do that to the cleric, is as bad as he is

A violent sociopath.

I also don't indulge in either rape and/or other violent revenge fantasies.

I agree with Muriel.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #82)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:57 AM

103. That would be, morally speaking, the cogent point to be made here.


Thank you for making it.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #65)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:41 PM

107. Uh no

He was talking about a child rapist, the person who committed the crime is nuts not the person who says what should happen to them ( because let's be real here that person couldn't do anything)

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Response to obama2terms (Reply #107)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:57 PM

109. So wanting someone tortured is fine, as long as you can't do it yourself?

It's OK, as far as you're concerned, for voters to vote for criminals to be tortured, because the voters won't do it themselves? Or is it just OK, as in this case, to call for torture in other countries where you don't have a vote?

How do you feel about people calling for criminals to be raped in revenge?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:47 PM

17. I hope someone

kills this bastard. He'll do it again.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:21 PM

28. This case makes me sick to think about.

He should be at the very least imprisioned for the rest of his worthless life.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:45 PM

33. If there was any justice.....

This bastard would have been taken out, and ripped apart by an angry mob. And yet, he's going to walk away, scot free.

This.....is what extremism in religion does to people.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:45 PM

34. He is a total sociopath, and a danger to that society

They are crazy for not isolating him from the community.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:54 PM

39. WTF.

Why is this psychopath allowed to pay his way out of destroying a little person? He's obviously a serial killer and will do it again. Why wasn't the little girl taken away after he did it the first time? The last year of her life must have been unspeakable and agonizing horror. I'm glad she will never be touched by this piece of human refuse ever again.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:59 PM

45. The suffering of this little girl at the hands of her father

is almost unbearable knowledge and that he was enabled by the system makes it that much worse.

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Response to cali (Reply #45)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:47 PM

97. Yes

It's horrific and so so sad.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #39)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:01 PM

47. A man cannot be executed for killing his wife or children

In Saudi Arabia. Nor can he be given a long prison sentence for this. Generally, he only pays blood money.

That is Saudi Law.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #47)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:12 PM

52. Yeah, it's just shocking and miserable. :(

What are the chances our country will put sanctions and embargoes on Saudi Arabia for such vicious human rights abuses?

I wish their was a way to get BC pills to all the women in SA. Just stop having kids in this system for 5 years. Maybe 10. If you rape, torture and kill our beautiful children, that's it...no more.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:56 PM

40. Oh dear god

That poor baby. He should be taken outside and dismembered, very slowly.

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Response to GCP (Reply #40)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:53 PM

110. +1000

I can't even say what I want done to this piece of trash.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:58 PM

42. Crucifixion is still on the books in Saudi Arabia.

Pity they didn't give this bastard that punishment...

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #42)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:14 PM

54. not for killing your wife or children it's not.

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Response to cali (Reply #54)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:16 PM

55. Pity. n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #55)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:54 PM

64. Unfortunately, in Saudi Arabia, they normally behead the condemned before crucifying them.

I'd make sure they'd omit that first step. IIRC, it would take him three days to die.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:58 PM

43. He should thank his lucky stars he wasn't a woman...driving a car!!!

Man rapes and kills a child? Pay a fine.
Woman drives a car? Ten lashes.

All hail our brave and loyal allies in the war on terror!!!

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Response to Iggo (Reply #43)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:01 PM

48. or man rapes woman, stone the woman to death

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:00 PM

46. A man cannot be executed for killing his wife or children

Nor can he get a long prison sentence. They are his property.

That is Saudi law.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:04 PM

49. Well, thank ALLAH he was a CLERIC.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:05 PM

50. I wonder what the Prophet Muhammad would have

to say about "honor" killing a 5 year old for not being a virgin after you repeatedly raped her?

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Response to tsuki (Reply #50)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:34 PM

60. The Saudis dumped that guy in his ass in the 1890's

When they adopted Wahhabism, Mohammed became "un-Islamic."

Sort of like how Christian fundies hate everything Jesus stood for.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:37 PM

76. Not sure about that:

Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1792) was the first modern Islamic fundamentalist and extremists. Wahhab made the central point of his reform movement the principle that absolutely every idea added to Islam after the third century of the Mulsim era (about 950 CE) was false and should be eliminated. Muslims, in order to be true Muslims, must adhere solely and strictly to the original beliefs set forth by Muhammad.
http://atheism.about.com/od/islamicsects/a/wahhabi.htm

http://atheism.about.com/library/FAQs/islam/countries/bl_SaudiIslamWahhabi.htm

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:52 PM

78. +1 Good analogy

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:12 PM

53. Yet we support and arm this regime. Proves our government is hypocritical.

They also beheaded a babysitter because the infant died while she was watching babysitting.

Next time the USA uses human rights violations to trick us into supporting a war, I guess we know they are full of shit.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:22 PM

57. And now I will be scolded for wanting the same and worse done to him.

 

This guy should be tortured to the point of insanity. Healed and tortured again, over and over. I don't care how "un-liberal" this is. I don't give a fuck about how we're supposed to be unemotional in the dispensing of justice. An unspeakable crime deserves an unspeakable punishment.

And he'll get none of what he deserves.

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:42 PM

62. I won't scold you

I feel the same way

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Response to MrSlayer (Reply #57)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:48 PM

94. Ohhhhh, I wouldn't scold you.

I fervently hope that someone takes care of the bastard!!!! He already killed his daughter. Who knows what he might do to another child.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:26 PM

58. Boy would I like to get my hands on the murderous f***...

...I'm usually not one to promote the old "eye for an eye" kind of justice, but in this case I'd happily do it myself. With a broken broomstick.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:30 PM

59. Oh dear God!

How could anyone do such a thing? They need to change their laws. I do not believe that this can possibly be in accordance with the teachings of the Koran. They have perverted Islam in that country.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:14 PM

67. And they say it's only the Catholic clergy that take a Special Interest in children... n/t

Last edited Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 07:55 PM

79. Absolutely disgusting, but I see the moral equivalency crowd has already shown up in your thread.

These kind of stories should make every decent human beings blood boil, not try to deflect it by talking about something else totally unrelated and irrelevant.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:00 PM

80. so as long as people are talking about what should have been done to the perp

I thought I'd weigh in. I understand that people are horrified and upset by this crime and that this man is walking free, but I would not like to see him raped or tortured or put to death. I am against the dp with no exceptions.

He should have been locked up for the rest of his life.

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Response to cali (Reply #80)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:21 PM

99. I won't be sad when this person shuffles off this mortal coil

But I don't wish for him to be raped or tortured either. It won't bring the child back and it won't make the scumbag learn a lesson if he's tortured.

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Response to cali (Reply #80)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:50 PM

100. You are of course 100% correct...

...and I say that as someone who weighed in on what I'd like to do to him.

In reality I would be incapable of doing what my imagination says I would like to do. And not only that, the death penalty is wrong in all cases.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:01 PM

81. “The Saudis are our friends",Bush told me so

Unbelievable justice system in place there
The crimes committed were horrific
No justice

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:11 PM

84. Fundamentalists of all religions are sick fucks. nt

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #84)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:14 PM

85. yes, but this "justice system" is beyond horrific

and is itself religiously based. And beyond that this is about the fact that the most vile human rights abuses in the world and those most overlooked, are against women and girls.

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Response to cali (Reply #85)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:52 PM

87. Yes, a fundamentalist theocracy.

Were the xtian fundies get their theocracy here, I doubt it would be any better a justice system.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:44 PM

86. Give him a taste of what he did


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Response to jsr (Reply #86)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:59 PM

90. God ... look at that sweet little face. nt.

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Response to jsr (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 04:45 PM

108. She's such a cutie pie

How could anyone even hit a kid let alone do what that sick fuck did

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Response to jsr (Reply #86)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:57 PM

111. OMG. Those photos make me so sad and so ill.

I am so heartbroken for that poor little girl. And so angry at that horrible, evil man. He deserves to be tortured to death.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:52 PM

88. "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."

- Blaise Pascal

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #88)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:57 PM

89. I doubt he did this from religious conviction

Sounds like he's simply a sadistic pedophile who got his jollies by raping and torturing his little child.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:45 PM

93. Oh, my God!!!

According to social worker Randa al-Kaleeb, Lama had been raped "everywhere." Hospital staff told the girl's mother that her "daughter's rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed," Agence France-Presse reports.

That SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

A FINE, that prick is only ordered to pay a fine????????

I'm seething with anger. Is there a petition out there to bring this guy to justice?





Death must have come as a relief to this poor child.



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Response to Beacool (Reply #93)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:55 PM

95. I know, doesn't it just rip your heart out?

There's no place in hell deep or hot enough for that POS.

http://rt.com/news/saudi-preacher-fine-rape-333/

I don't know anything about Twitter, but I read this at least calling for 'more severe punishment for violence against women and children.'

The 'Women to Drive' campaign, launched by women's rights activist Manal Sharif, has demanded the creation of legislation that would criminalize violence against women and children.

The petition is circulating on Twitter under the hashtag 'Ana Lama' – "I am Lama" in Arabic

Maybe someone who replies could find out if there's anything specific for this POS child-raping, filthy 'cleric'.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #95)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:30 AM

102. Thanks for the link.

I am so angry!!! It's hard to digest the horrible things that this animal did to his own daughter, but to then find out that he only received a slap in the hand is even more infuriating. How can someone be beheaded for renouncing Islam, but only has to pay "blood money" for raping, torturing and killing a 5 year old child? Never mind, I know the answer, it's because she's a girl. I wonder what the penalty would have been if he had done the same to a boy?

Sometimes the world makes me sick.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:51 PM

98. What a sick animal

 

I'd lock the scumbag up for life. Blood money just doesn't cut it, IMO.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:14 AM

105. One would think Islamic law would cut off his two arms and three legs.

... along with anything else hanging around.

"must pay fine" It should be more than a fine. He should be facing a death penalty.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:54 PM

106. I am numb to horror. Or so I thought. Then I read this.

 

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