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Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:57 PM

 

1500 calories a day

Was talking with my sister about my nephew, serving a 90 day jail sentence. He said people there are constantly hungry. They are limited to food amounting to 1500 calories a day. It has been determined this is the minimum required to sustain them. Someone on the outside can buy them more, at an expense about 3 times what it should be.

They are allowed to speak with visitors for a total of 20 minutes once a week. This is done through a phone and video feed. My sister alternates with friends of his - so she gets 20 minutes every other week.

Mail is limited to postcards, which are rejected for any misspelling. One from his grandmother was returned because two letters were transposed in his name.

For this, he will get a boarding bill when he leaves. If it's not paid in a certain number of days, it's doubled. If he can't pay, he may be on the way back.

Just all seems a little unnecessarily harsh to me.

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Reply 1500 calories a day (Original post)
michigandem58 Feb 2013 OP
Berlum Feb 2013 #1
Viva_La_Revolution Feb 2013 #12
thelordofhell Feb 2013 #2
liberal_at_heart Feb 2013 #3
thelordofhell Feb 2013 #6
HiPointDem Feb 2013 #22
michigandem58 Feb 2013 #23
thelordofhell Feb 2013 #31
michigandem58 Feb 2013 #32
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #39
TheDebbieDee Feb 2013 #36
enough Feb 2013 #11
thelordofhell Feb 2013 #19
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #15
thelordofhell Feb 2013 #20
DainBramaged Feb 2013 #21
NutmegYankee Feb 2013 #4
peace13 Feb 2013 #5
virgogal Feb 2013 #38
datasuspect Feb 2013 #7
michigandem58 Feb 2013 #24
duffyduff Feb 2013 #8
msongs Feb 2013 #9
MineralMan Feb 2013 #10
elleng Feb 2013 #26
elleng Feb 2013 #27
Historic NY Feb 2013 #13
forthemiddle Feb 2013 #14
ret5hd Feb 2013 #35
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #40
Cleita Feb 2013 #16
Brigid Feb 2013 #17
michigandem58 Feb 2013 #25
elleng Feb 2013 #28
johnnyreb Feb 2013 #18
elleng Feb 2013 #29
limpyhobbler Feb 2013 #30
Silent3 Feb 2013 #33
ellisonz Feb 2013 #34
JVS Feb 2013 #37

Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:00 PM

1. How can Prisons, Inc. make any money if they feed the proles more?

"These prole prisoners should STFU and be grateful for what they get. The Prisons, Inc. have an absolute right to maximize profit off the transgressions of the proles."

- The Jailer, Inc.

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Response to Berlum (Reply #1)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:14 PM

12. ^this^ nt.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:03 PM

2. Then I guess he won't want to go back..........

Maybe next time he'll think twice before committing a crime.........

I'm sorry about your nephew's situation, but jail is not supposed to be summer camp.........

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:09 PM

3. except when he gets out no one will want to hire him

yes, individuals are responsible for their actions but between a corrupt police force, a for profit prison industry, a lack of medical and mental health care, a bankrupt education system, depressed wages, and a business community not interested in hiring someone with a conviction, it is much harder than it should be.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:33 PM

6. We still don't know what the nephew did..........

90 days means you did actually commit a real crime (as opposed to not paying a fine or being in contempt of court).........so I'm guessing that he had an extreme DUI or petty theft.

Believe it or not........lots of ex-cons are out there working and living normal lives after they spent time in jail and realized how good life is on the outside and never wanting to go back again.

The only thing about the OP that is bad in my eyes is the charges the nephew is incurring.......

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:19 PM

22. 90 days doesn't necessarily mean anything of the kind. and considering that the majority of

 

sentences are for small-scale drug use, your post is ridiculous.

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:16 PM

23. He went to visit his father

 

and his father's girlfriend (not wound too tight) slapped him over something. A scuffle ensued with the nephew being attacked by his father and girlfriend as well, complete with a baseball bat. I don't know the whole story, but I do know both the father and girlfriend escaped any injury except a scrape on the father's head. The father said he had reinjured his back and called the police. The result was a felonious assault charge against the nephew. The cops were probably influenced by the fact he was younger and certainly physically superior. He could have really hurt them both had he wanted, but he didn't.


The notion people in jail always deserve to be there is absurd on it's face.

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Response to michigandem58 (Reply #23)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:49 PM

31. Thank you

Once again, I'm sorry about the situation he's in and I wish he wasn't........jail is a bad place to be in

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #31)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:09 PM

32. Thanks to you too

 

As you said, jail is a place for punishment. But some of this seems harsh. I'm biased, of course.

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #6)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:08 PM

39. People do decades for having a joint in their pocket. (nt)

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:53 PM

36. That's my biggest gripe with the justice system.......

In the case of non-violent offenders, if the purpose of serving a prison term is to pay one's debt to society, then nothing further is/should be accomplished by saddling the offender with a record........it only continues to punish the offender for the crime that he/she has already been punished for.

It's not fair, because wealthy former prisoners can pay a lawyer to clean up their record, but a former prisoner of average means will never be able to afford the lawyer's fees to clean up his/her record.

So, in a way, the former prisoner of normal means will NEVER finish paying his/her debt to society!

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:12 PM

11. Interested to know your opinion of the boarding fees,

with heavily increasing interest if not paid on time.

Sound like a flat-out scam to me. Who is the most likely not to be able to pay fees on time -- a person just out of prison. So those fees will keep on rising. This was not part of the sentence imposed by the judge.

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Response to enough (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:01 PM

19. You're right.......that is the bad part of it

The Boarding fees are a joke..........and should be criminal

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:30 PM

15. So I guess you believe in the Reich-wing form of government?

Harsh dude, harsh. You dn't even know the fucking circumstance.



Do you know that if you have a parking violation in some states they send you to jail for non-payment? Doesn't matter the circumstance.


But I guess you think prison teaches lessons.


I taught my beautiful daughter to be compassionate, and you just piss me off so much. Did you teach your kids to be brutal and uncaring?


You belong where they believe in punishment instead of compassion, not here.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #15)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:15 PM

20. No I don't.......The boarding fees are just as criminal

But everything else described in the OP is what jail is.........a place you don't want to be

And did you not read the part where I was sorry about the situation the nephew was in?? Here it is again just in cast you missed it.........

"I'm sorry about your nephew's situation........"

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Response to thelordofhell (Reply #20)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:17 PM

21. Doesn't matter, your brutal harshness was unnecessary

and showed your true feelings.


No excuse for being harsh to someone who is ovbviouly having a hrad time with the situatiion of HER RELATIVE.


No excuse.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:12 PM

4. Jail fees are a disturbing concept.

Jail fees a cruel twist to ‘paying your dues’

In a time when corporations are operating jails and prisons for profit, local jails are getting in on the act.The Warren County jail in Bowling Green, Ky. is operating one such "pay as you go" jail. Inmates are charged a $20 processing fee to be booked in and $20 dollars a day for every day they remain in the jail. A visit to the jail doctor runs $20, and $5 for a visit to the jail nurse.

If prescriptions are filled outside the jail, the actual cost is billed and it is a $5 co-pay for jail medicine such as aspirin. The jail has a firm policy forbidding any narcotic medication; so apparently, severe pain is against jail rules here.

Danny Lindsay, 23, has been in Warren County jail for one week after being sentenced to 60 days for contempt of court. He says he takes medicine for a rare blood disorder and gets it free outside with his medical insurance. Jail staff, he says, would not let his family send in his medicine, so they choose to fill it at a local pharmacy. His family sent him $60 to spend at the jail commissary and the jail took $30 of it to apply toward his bill. That’s standard procedure here. The bottom of his money receipt shows a balance due to the jail of $589."That’s over $600 a week, man. After 60 days, I’ll owe $5,000," Lindsay says.


http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_3009.shtml



Totally fucked up.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:21 PM

5. 1500 calories a day with moderate activity will support a 150 pound body on average.

I can see where many men would be hungry. You have to wonder about food quality as well.

I can not reconcile the fact that folks are sent to jail by all of us, by the laws and government we live by. We are responsible for their basic needs while they are in our care yet this care has been farmed out to for profit organizations.

The American people do not take responsibility for anything that their government does from the innocent deaths from our illegal wars to the well being of prisoners who are incarcerated under our names.

Guilty or innocent they deserve to have their basic needs met.

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Response to peace13 (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:05 PM

38. 1500 calories a day IS meeting basic needs,very basic,but not cruel.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:36 PM

7. why don't y'all come together as a family and put some money on his books?

 

absent a hustle, he can eat more that way.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:19 PM

24. His mother has done so, thanks

 

I just think it's absurd she has to and feel for the folks who have no one to do that.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:48 PM

8. Nancy Grace would say they have it too easy

I honestly don't know her "thinking," but even if the conditions of prisoners were better, they don't have what she has, which is freedom.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:58 PM

9. if this is in the USA, our president and congress approve of this, just accept it nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:03 PM

10. What do they have to do with it. a 90-day sentence

is almost always served in a county jail. So, it would be the county or state that sets the rules, not the President and Congress. There seems to be a lack of understanding here about how things operate in the United States of America. The federal government is not much involved at the county jail level.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #10)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:24 PM

26. Absolutely right.

Thanks for trying to improve understanding of such.

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Response to msongs (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:25 PM

27. No, this appears to be in a local/county/state facility,

president and congress have nothing to do with it.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:23 PM

13. Good thing he isn't in a tent with pink boxers...

really. Its a jail not a country club or a hotel. The average daily diet is based on 2000 calories...

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:25 PM

14. sounds like when my husband was in basic training.

And he didn't even break the law.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:34 PM

35. your hubby got much more than 1500 calories a day in basic. much more.

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Response to forthemiddle (Reply #14)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:09 PM

40. I don't buy for a second that your husband went through basic on 1500 cal/day. (nt)

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:36 PM

16. This should be considered inhumane treatment.

Where is he? in Arizona? Isn't this what Sheriff Arpaio initiated as punishment?

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:48 PM

17. What about those who are never charged?

If this is a county lockup, aren't there a lot of inmates in there who are arrested, sent there, then released later without being charged with anything? Do they have to pony up too? None of this makes any sense.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:21 PM

25. Not sure

 

I can only tell you about my nephew's situation.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #17)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:27 PM

28. They likely would not be charged,

and if charged, and wanted to make an issue of it, could challenge the practice.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:59 PM

18. This custodial trend is no way to promote "respect for the law".

See eg, the French Revolution, "Les Miserables" and subsequent musicals.

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Response to johnnyreb (Reply #18)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:27 PM

29. Right, musicals based on some miserable history,

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:28 PM

30. seems cruel to me.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:14 PM

33. That's simply not enough for many people

I don't know by whom or how it "has been determined" that 1500 calories is enough, but for man like me at 6'1", even with very minimal activity, that would be slow starvation.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:14 PM

34. We have a schizophrenic prison system

I personally don't believe you rehabilitate anyone by maliciously punishing (which is what keeping prisoners under-fed is) them severely beyond depriving them of their freedom of movement in our country - I sincerely wish we had a more progressive justice system, but I don't see it happening on a wide-scale anytime soon. Prison isn't supposed to be fun, but it's also not supposed to be pointless.

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Response to michigandem58 (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:57 PM

37. Who can we contact to buy them food and help pay their ransom?

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