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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:25 PM

I love and admire Prez Obama. I really don't care to see him with a gun . I just don't. I know...

Don't look.

But Prez Obama and a gun, at this point, just seems out of kilter. Anyone else feel a bit uncomfortable? I'm just so weary of the gun thing in general.

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Reply I love and admire Prez Obama. I really don't care to see him with a gun . I just don't. I know... (Original post)
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homerunner Feb 2013 #23
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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:27 PM

1. Uncomfortable? not at all.

Target practice is fun, you should try it.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:30 PM

4. I have tried it, and I am pretty good at it. n/t

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Response to agracie (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:40 PM

13. Then why are you "weary of the gun thing in general"?

Are guns making you uncomfortable?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:46 PM

21. I tried target shooting many many years ago. Just not my thing...

Uncomfortable ? Yes.

Weary? Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Response to agracie (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:57 PM

29. Guns are not everyone's thing.

Just like football does nothing for me. Or boating. In fact I'm scared of being on a boat even though I lived near water for most of my life. That being said, I'm not lobbying to ban boating. Or any other activity which may pose some sort of danger.

To each their own. And that I believe is valid for POTUS as well

BTW, I LOVE the photo! Cheers!

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Response to agracie (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:42 PM

49. Should a photo of your target practice be published, I would not think less of you.


I've seen photos of the Prez doing lots of things. Golfing, for example. I feel no more uncomfortable seeing him try to hit a clay Frisbee with lead pellets than I feel seeing him try to hit a recessed cup with a ball.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:50 PM

23. I don't know why he responded to the gun nutz in general

 

They are unworthy of a response. You know who the "photo of the President shooting a gun" is good for? The NRA.

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Response to homerunner (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:57 PM

30. 80 million+ gun owners are unworthy of a response?

 

I thought that he was president to ALL Americans. Guess I was wrong.

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Response to nick of time (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:00 PM

32. Why the hell should ANYBODY have to prove that they've shot a gun?

 

It's stupid.

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Response to homerunner (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:02 PM

34. He's showing that he enjoys shooting skeet,

 

so what? Millions of Americans do the same thing.

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Response to homerunner (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:10 PM

90. because he was aked in an interview if he had ever shot a gun

he said yes that he liked to shoot skeet at camp david. the right wingers called him a liar so the wh released the photo.

that is why you would prove you shot a gun.

when saying yes, after being asked if you ever have and then being called a liar for it by your political enemies.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #90)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:25 PM

96. +100 By showing the photo...it disarmed the Pro Gun Nuts :)

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Response to nick of time (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:05 PM

35. Lmao!!!

+10000



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Response to nick of time (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:19 PM

94. +1. I know a lot of dems that are

strong gun supporters.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:28 PM

2. I have no problem seeing him shooting clay pigeons.

I was never any good at it because of my wretched eyesight.

I would have problems seeing him posing like a swaggering wingnut with the gun before or after a round of skeet shooting.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:33 PM

7. I know, and I understand what you are saying. n/t

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:29 PM

3. I am uncomfortable

because I feel he is doing and saying this ONLY to appease gun owners. You cannot appease them.

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:33 PM

8. lol! nt

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:37 PM

10. I don't want to think it is a photo just to appease gun owners. He just doesn't seem like the

sort of guy who would enjoy guns. But what do I know, eh ?

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Response to agracie (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:41 PM

14. What kind of guy enjoys shooting a gun?


Some do and some don't.

But I'd like to hear you describe that kind of guy.

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Response to agracie (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:42 PM

16. But he does enjoy shooting guns. He said it before. :) nt

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Response to HockeyMom (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:05 PM

112. I hear you!

Where does it stop? It seems absurd . 'Mr. president the pink panty wearers called and they don't think you support them'.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:33 PM

5. All kinds of people have guns...I choose not to..


I would never think of trying skeet shooting but I might have tried parasailing.



Tikki

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:33 PM

6. No. More comfortable. n/t

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:35 PM

9. But it has no protruding pistol grip...

...folding or telescoping buttstock, barrel shroud, or threaded barrel muzzle. It's even got a wooden stock instead of a black plastic one! Yay!

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:42 PM

15. But it does have a threaded barrel muzzle, look at ....

 

.... the screw in choke in the upper barrel! From that single choke, muzzle elevation and stance, I think he is shooting trap, not skeet. I wonder if he knows the difference?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:17 PM

36. What is the difference?

I've done one of them - not sure which it was at this point. I guess I thought they were the same.

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:46 PM

52. Wiki or some other source can probably explain ....

 

.... it better than I can, but basically in trap you shoot one bird at a time, always going away from you at contrained angles. In skeet you shoot both singles and doubles, with two targets crossing at varying angles and speeds. You have to shoot both very quickly. Different games and slightly different skills.

skeet vs trap

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:37 PM

11. I'm just sick of him always having to "prove" himself to these RWNJs. Birth certificates, college

transcripts, bipartisanship, skeet shooting. I would love if he just sent a photo of him giving the middle finger.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:42 PM

17. <snort> Yep. Hail this ! n/t

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Response to agracie (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:46 PM

19. I'm glad he keeps making them look like fools, but they'll never be satisfied. Racism is the reason

they keep asking him to "prove" himself. It's petty.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:35 AM

122. I agree. They hate his guts and he should just look them all in the eyes and tell them to

STFU and go **** their greedy, selfish, egotistical little selves, because they are wasting our precious time with useless, ridiculous childish bullshit, and they really need to grow up and help the adults get some productive necessary things done.

Check it - Prez Obama and elected Democrats, instead of frequently kissing conservative ass, might want to consider adopting some of the approaches and policies of the most effective and *constructive* transformational Democratic POTUS in US history...Franklin D. Roosevelt:

For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away . . . Powerful influences strive today to restore that kind of government with its doctrine that that Government is best which is most indifferent . . .

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace — business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me — and I welcome their hatred. FDR 1936




Oh, yeah, yeah, that's it, uh-huh.


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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:37 PM

12. He already said he shot skeet at camp David ...

And now there is a picture of him doing so.

The reality is the reality. The deranged GOP was SURE it never happened. Now they are shown to be wrong. Good.

There is nothing wrong with hunting, nothing wrong with skeet shooting.

But Obama Derangement Syndrome should be identified and mocked when it occurs.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:43 PM

18. No. Then again I've shot recreationally before

I just think of it as something you do on a Saturday.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:46 PM

20. I love and admire Prez Obama. I really don't care to see him with a gun . I just don't. I know...

 

dont feel uncomfortable, it is only a political stunt, to make the pro-gun peaple think he his not after there shoguns

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Response to wva moonshiner (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:49 PM

22. That's because he's not after their shotguns

Never was, never will be. The "gun grab" nonsense is a hoax to trick gullible people.

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Response to wva moonshiner (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:50 PM

24. Most likely you are right. He has nothing to prove. But, you know, politics... go figure. n/t

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Response to wva moonshiner (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:50 PM

25. No one is taking away shotguns. And the photo was taken last year August 4th 2012, before

any gun control proposals.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:51 PM

26. FWIW -- Teddy Roosevelt was an avid hunter and he gave us Yellowstone National Park

Presidents who handle guns can do good things.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:59 PM

31. Yep.

 

And Eleanor Roosevelt was an avid pistol shooter and had a CCW permit.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:53 PM

27. Blame the people who forced the WH to release the picture

Same with the birth certificate.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:54 PM

28. I agree. It was nice HAVING a president that didn't stoop to this level.

It continues a disturbing trend of politicians posing with firearms. I don't know how firing a gun makes anyone more qualified for a job in elected office. It's no more complex than operating a light switch.

Shit, a chimp could do it.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:01 PM

33. To WHAT level did he stoop??

Millions of Americans enjoy target shooting!! He likes skeet shooting, he said it before!

Omg this is too funny!!!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:21 PM

38. By trying to prove something, anything to the backwater morons in this country

he does nothing but degrade himself. If he stated that he enjoys playing tennis, nobody would demand to see pictures of him serving a ball. As mentioned above, this is just another instance where he feels compelled to prove something to people who will never support him anyway.

He's the President, he doesn't need to dance on command.

Millions of Americans also like to choke themselves while they masturbate....

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #38)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:26 PM

39. Lol!! Releasing this photo is actually good for the bipartisan negotiations on strict gun control!

It shows POTUS doesn't have anything personal against firearms. This photo does more good then you can ever realize

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:31 PM

41. Not really

 

This conversation began with school children being violently gunned down. To release a photo like that cheapens the conversation in my opinion. And like I said, the people this is good for is the NRA.

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Response to homerunner (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:35 PM

45. Its a.photo of POTUS performing a recreational activity

Which he enjoys! There is absolutely nothing wrong with this pic! Or WH releasing it!

Omg lmao!!!

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:46 PM

53. You know how many people are out buying that very model of shotgun?

 

Right now simply because he used it.

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Response to homerunner (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:54 PM

58. What model is he using?

I can't make out from the photo.

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Response to homerunner (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:32 PM

111. They better be rich people.

That's a $3000 shotgun.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:31 PM

42. No it doesn't.

It shows he's nothing more than a pander-bear. Think Dukakis in the tank...

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:36 PM

46. Youre calling POTUS a "pander bear" now?

Because he likes shooting skeet for fun?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:47 PM

54. I call him that because he chose to release this photo at this time. n/t

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:51 PM

56. When would have been a good time for him to release this pic in your opinion?

It's okay, I know what you would say.

Never

BTW, I'm sorry I find this exchange funny, I just don't see why so many are bothered by a pic of POTUS skeet shooting. A LOT of people skeet shoot for fun! There are even clubs and competitions on skeet shooting! It's nothing bad or malicious ffs.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #56)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:55 PM

61. Like I said, a lot of people strangle themselves while masturbating... for fun!

Would you want to see those photos?

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:01 PM

69. No thanks!!!



Comparing shooting skeet with the act mentioned above is a lil silly don't you think?

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #61)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:43 PM

105. What does that have to do with the President?

Did the President claim to enjoy that and are their people out there denying that he actually does? And, is that discussion taking place in the shadow of masturbating strangulation legislation?

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:59 PM

66. bzzzzt. the photo was taken last August. It wasn't a photo op, genius.

Dukakis in the tank was.

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Response to cali (Reply #66)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:18 PM

79. Who fucking cares? It's still incredibly lame.

I guess people who worship this guy will never find fault in anything he does.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #79)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:44 PM

107. Why is this photo bothered you so much?

How can you say that people who don't see a problem with this photo worship the guy?

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:01 PM

87. when i first saw this

 

i immediately thought of phil gramm's television campaign ads where he was filmed shooting a gun and the many instances of saddam hussein shooting long rifles captured on film, photographs, sculpture, and public art.

i'm not comparing the president to those people, but his gun porn now stands in relation to other "leaders" or "politicians" who have stooped to this level in the past.

i don't understand why he would agree with the advice from handlers in this instance.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #87)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:27 AM

114. Have you considered the possibility that he enjoys trap shooting?

It is actually fun, you know.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #114)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 05:39 AM

118. i do

 

but i'm not the president.

this is marketing.

the picture was taken and distributed for a reason.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #28)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:02 PM

88. "It's no more complex than operating a light switch"

 

I'd love to see you try shooting. Something tells me after doing so you would walk away realizing good marksmanship is a little more complex than flipping a light switch.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #28)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:27 AM

113. Is trap shooting stooping to a level? (nt)

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:19 PM

37. +1,000

Really stupid. Fugg the PR BS.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:30 PM

40. it smacks of pandering

especially after he said we must listen to the "other side", as if listening to them for decades hasn't been the fucking problem

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Response to Skittles (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:32 PM

43. +1, glad someone gets it. n/t

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Response to Skittles (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:43 PM

51. Prez Obama was the voice of reason when we were all trying to process the horror of Sandy Hook...

He was the voice of reason and compassion. To me it doesn't matter WHEN or WHY the photo was taken. I just don't think I needed to see it . It's hard to explain...

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Response to Skittles (Reply #40)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:54 PM

57. You do realize the picture shows green trees right? (I.E. Summer)

This photo was taken well before Sandy Hook and the present debate.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:54 PM

60. so why release it now?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #60)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:59 PM

67. Same reason he released his birth certificate after Trump's statements

To make his detractors look like complete idiots. Not that Blackburn needs help in that matter. I'd say she's dumber than a jar of mayonnaise, but that's unfair to mayonnaise.

"If he is a skeet shooter, why have we not heard of this? Why have we not seen photos? Why hasn't he referenced this at any point in time?" Blackburn said"

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:06 PM

71. those are actually good questions

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Response to Skittles (Reply #71)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:09 PM

75. You're taking Marsha Blackburn's side?

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #75)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:10 PM

76. I'm not taking a SIDE

I'm simply opining I think this skeet shooting picture is OUT OF CHARACTER

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Response to Skittles (Reply #76)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:18 PM

78. And yet it was taken long before the current debate.

Sure, he could have staged the photo last summer for use in a situation like this, with training on stance and such to make it look correct and then made up skeet shooting with friends, many of whom could blow the thing wide open if they stated otherwise, thereby creating yet another fake scandal that will tie up the House for months,

or

Like many politicians including a lot of prominent Democrats, he got into skeet shooting with them

I'll take the Occam's Razor approach.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #78)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:25 PM

81. and this is the first we've heard of it

got it

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Response to Skittles (Reply #76)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:56 AM

116. We can't know if it is out of character or not for sure

It is an old picture and given that he seems to like a myriad of sports it feels to me like it is in character.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:33 PM

44. Then I suppose you'll be uncomfortable with the following

 









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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:38 PM

48. +1000 :)

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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:25 PM

95. Or..

JFK, Gore Vidal, and Tennessee Williams.. what a group!














Teddy rocking the fringe!



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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:27 PM

97. Or this:

 

"

But, of course, nothing compares to



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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:28 PM

98. Seeing all these Delicate Flower gun nuts, stroking their "precious" must be uncomfortable

for those who steadfastly maintain that anyone who even touches a gun, more less owns some, or fires any weapon is without exception a man with a small penis who is overcompensating for his insecurities and cowardliness, is dangerous to the rest of us and must automatically - by virtue of being said gun nut - be removed from society.

Eleanor is not a Delicate Flower, because women don't have the requisite small penis that must be compensated for by using a weapon to make one all manly, instead of girly. So she wasn't a gun nut and seeing her use a weapon probably doesn't make anyone uncomfortable.







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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:38 AM

115. Serial dishonesty just flows from our "pro gun progressives"* keyboards like water over the Niagra.

Picture #1:

That is a sporting shotgun, like the type used to bird hunt or trap and skeet shoot. No one is talking about banning such firearms. Nor should they be banned.

Picture #2:

Your entire OP is an exercise in dishonesty, but this is probably the most egregious example of it: Clinton was holding that rifle not to promote it's sale or use by the public-at-large, but just the opposite.

Picture #3:

Again, break-over shotguns being used on some kind of bird hunting trip. See #1 above.

Picture #4:

Really?

A soldier showing his Commander-in-chief his combat rifle in the middle of frickin' WWII (or on the eve of it) is some kind of "pro-gun" statement by FDR? Like I said: this reply is dishonest from stem-to-stern.


*( )

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #115)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:20 AM

120. Wow, the point of my post just went right over your head, doing a double back flip along the way.

 

The OP stated that they were uncomfortable with a picture of the current president handling a shotgun. I provided pictures of other presidents, and one presidential candidate, handling firearms in order to make the point that such pictures are pretty much standard fare for most presidents. Just a couple of posts above, number 95, are more pictures in a similar vein.

The fact is, pictures of presidents with guns has become an unspoken tradition. That is the point I was making.

I don't know what point you thought I was making, but apparently it is not the same one I had in mind. Next time, before going off half cocked, ask some questions, do a modicum of thinking, then perhaps you can get the actual point of a post.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #44)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:51 AM

123. DU Gun Enthusiasts Trashed Kerry For The Goose Hunt.


And DU Gun Enthusiasts are now criticizing Obama for his shooting stance, the timing of releasing the photo, etc. There is no pleasing these people, and very little little effort should be made to do so.....

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:36 PM

47. Here's the thing, he's not just "your' president. He is this country's president

To answer to those who would love us to believe that every gun in this country is going to be taken away is important. And so, he did. I rarely look at or like the posed photographs of the President. This one, I did. And I like it.

(for the record, I would have no problem if every gun in this country was taken away)

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:42 PM

50. Those who believe that every gun in this country is going to be taken away

are far beyond any rational persuasion. They believe what they want to believe, and no photo op will change their deeply held false beliefs.

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Response to Moses2SandyKoufax (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:56 PM

64. So?

I'm not going to get upset over it.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #64)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:04 PM

70. So, by continuously listening to the "concerns" of people who refuse to operate in the real world

the President only legitimizes their beliefs. You can only go so far in accommodating the RW crazies in our society. Ignoring them will work to further marginalize them.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:50 PM

55. so he is pandering to the paranoid

got it

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Response to Skittles (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:56 PM

62. I don't really care what he is doing.

We are guilty of the same paranoia when a pub is in office.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:56 PM

63. I....er.....what?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #63)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:57 PM

65. Have a great weekend Skittles.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #65)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:07 PM

72. my weekends are Thursday and Friday

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 06:54 PM

59. Just "punching his mancard" (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:07 PM

73. Is that what you would say to this person?

 



Kimberly Rhode, first woman to take an individual shooting gold medal in the Olympics.

Is she just "punching her mancard"

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Response to MadHound (Reply #73)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:31 PM

99. Gold medals in FIVE Olympics

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:07 PM

74. Seems like being POTUS should take care of the man card thing. Man card thoroughly and permanently

PUNCHED ! Just sayin'...

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #59)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:58 PM

86. Mancard?!?

I guess that's what Gov. Richards was doing here, just punching her ...em,... er..mancard?



(and using one of those scary semi-automatic assault shotguns too!)

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Response to Crepuscular (Reply #86)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:32 PM

100. I miss Ann Richards

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:00 PM

68. not at all. I used to do a bit of skeet and it is actually quite fun.

 

but not with an ooooozie or anything like that.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:13 PM

77. I think releasing the photo was brilliant

Obama is separating himself from the assault rifle paranoid gang with the cold dead fingers and letting the sports, hunting gun owners know he is with them. Once again he has trumped the right wingers. May help some of the repubs come on board.

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Response to trishtrash (Reply #77)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:27 PM

82. +1

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Response to trishtrash (Reply #77)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:44 PM

106. He's not going to change a single mind.

 

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:20 PM

80. No. Thank you for your concern.

I'd be a bit more concerned that there is so much pressure from the gun nutters that he feels he has to do this. But it IS his right as an American.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:39 PM

83. Doesn't bother me. I've shot rifles before, although only for a purpose. Not playing around.

There is something to it, the way it feels. But I knew immediately, just as when I intentionally tried to start smoking, that the feeling it's not a thing to give into.

When I reached for a cigarette without really thinking, my mind said 'this is how addictions begin - this is mindlessness.' I 'quit' on my third cigarette.

I feel that commercialization of guns is partly to blame, as if they are any other consumer purchase, the way that cars were once presented. All the glamor, the beauty of the gleaming metal, the idea that having such a thing means one has 'made it' or is a success in society.

That's how many things are treated. But guns shouldn't be in that class. The sort of person who hunts for food, or uses them to protect livestock in extreme situations, not because they hate wildlife, is not the ones I'm talking about.

When you see wacky photos like we had here on the site a while back, of people getting pictures made with Santa, or the whole family grinning ear to ear while brandishing their hardware, there is something wrong about that, IMHO.

Obama was not doing that.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:47 PM

84. He seems to have the aim down.

But I'm not always sure about his choice of weapon.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:48 PM

85. no. generally because skeet shooting is a perfect example of the reasonable, legal use of a firearm

and the gun he was using a perfect example of a non-military, low capacity (holds only two shots) firearm it is reasonable for private (non-mentally ill, non-felon, etc) citizens to own. so there is nothing "out of kilter" about skeet shooting or owning a bird gun.

specifically, the president was asked in an interview if he had ever fired a gun. he said yes and expanded to say he enjoyed skeet shooting at camp david from time to time. so there is nothing "out of kilter" with this president shooting a bird gun. so right on que the right wingers went bug fuck and accused him of lying.

so the photo was released.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:05 PM

89. Skeet shooting has a long and honorable history. The activity has nothing to do with

hate driven people mass killing innocents in movie theaters, shopping malls or schools.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:11 PM

91. I've never had a gun nor do I see me ever

having one. But, President Obama is a responsible person and I don't mind him shooting skeet and making a point that he's not going to take away guns from other responsible people. Just the freaking Assault Weapons.

Like Stallone says..

“I know people get (upset) and go, ‘They’re going to take away the assault weapon.’ Who … needs an assault weapon? Like really, unless you’re carrying out an assault. … You can’t hunt with it. … Who’s going to attack your house, a (expletive) army?”

“It’s unbelievably horrible, what’s happened. I think the biggest problem, seriously, is not so much guns. It’s that every one of these people that have done these things in the past 30 years are friggin’ crazy. Really crazy! And that’s where we’ve dropped the ball: mental health,” he said. “That to me is our biggest problem in the future, is insanity coupled with isolation.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172107901

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:16 PM

92. Yes. 1) I'm admittedly gun phobic and 2) it's weirdly out of my expectation.

I don't think of him as a gun person. Just don't. As you said, it has an out of kilter feel. And it does seem like an uncomfortable ploy to look "regular" to the gun enthusiasts. But as I said. I hate the damned things.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #92)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:35 PM

103. They really is no such thing as a "gun person"

I know the reddest of redneck who don;t own gins and never would, although many people (including DUers) seem to think every good ole boy and good ole girl have gun racks in their pickups, and a .38 strapped around their waist.

Conversely, lots of over-educated lefties are gun owners. *raises hand*

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #103)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:49 PM

109. Yep. It takes all kinds. I had a terrifying cop grandparent who made an awful impression.

But even without that charming element in my childhood I have a completely irrational spot in my brain that doesn't even like fake ones.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:19 PM

93. No

And, there's nothing wrong with skeet or target shooting -- both are fun and challenging.

There's a reason why Duck Hunt and Hogan's Alley were so popular, in both NES and arcade.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:32 PM

101. I think this photo

will enrage the right even more.. They probably can't stand the sight of POTUS holding one of their "beloved guns", so I honestly think he released it just to mess with them..

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:33 PM

102. But this could engender some amusing theories

The Skeet truthers should be expending some energy soon trying to declare the photo a fake. Just because. Gives them something to do and us something to laugh about. I see this as a win/win.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:42 PM

104. I feel the exact same way.

 

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:48 PM

108. I feel that way when I see him play golf

go figure.

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:18 PM

110. I'm about the most "un-gun" person I know (for me personally) but I'd love to

try skeet shooting. I think it would be fun, and I sure don't begrudge Obama engaging in the sport. At least he's not aiming at a target with the silhouette of a man on it!

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:37 AM

117. I am uncomfortable becuase it strikes me as inauthentic. . .

. . . and a rather craven political ploy. He's better than that.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #117)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:31 AM

121. That's it in a nutshell. Well said. n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #117)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:28 AM

124. (Gasp!) A politician, engaging in a political ploy!

I'm shocked!

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Response to agracie (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 06:23 AM

119. Skeet shooting? My 78 year old grandmother used to do it for fun

It was a hobby for her. It is not like worshiping guns and keeping a giant stockpile and being a gun nut. It's a simple shotgun.

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