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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:50 AM

Love Affair with-Machine Gun Shoot Attracts-Hatred in Black and White-and No Democrats<-a mash-up

1.In the Heart of America's Love Affair with Firepower
http://www.alternet.org/story/40344/in_the_heart_of_america%27s_love_affair_with_firepower
(excerpt at end-highly offensive)

2.Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot Attracts Neo-Nazis and Other Extremists

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2006/summer/big-bang?page=0,1
(same article, diff. title, original source. had to use for the mash-up.)

3.http://lightbox.time.com/2011/06/28/a-weekend-at-the-knob-creek-machine-gun-shoot/#1
an uplifting pictorial!
don't those guys in #2 LOOK FRIENDLY!!!


4.Hatred in Black and White at the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-bunch/hatred-in-black-and-white_b_711608.html

I first saw it at a booth run by two guys called The Bazooka Brothers. Here's how I describe in my book, The Backlash: Right-Wing Radicals, High-Def Hucksters and Paranoid Politics in the Age of Obama:
At a long table, underneath a relic of the famous World War II rocket launcher, the two guys from Kokomo, Ind., are also selling a rapid-fire variant of lower part of the AR-15 semi-automatic assault rifle, a type of firepower component that was outlawed in America for a decade before then-President George W. Bush and a Republican-controlled Congress allowed the assault-weapon ban to expire in 2004. And at the front counter, it is just two dollars for this black-and-white glossy Photoshop job depicting Obama in an adolescent guise, in a plain white T-shirt, upright in a kitchen chair, while with his hands on our future president, in a soft parental pose, is the casually dressed Nazi Fuhrer.
"I've sold a stack of them -- they did a good job," one of the Bazooka Brothers (okay, not really brothers), Brian Kitts, says, gradually warming up to the topic. He says he doesn't know who produced the Obama-Hitler Photoshop and was vague as how exactly he came to be selling it alongside a card of the now semi-famous poster of Obama as The Joker, over the word "Socialism" -- ironically, the very same image that the finance chief of the Republican National Committee would use just six months later in a presentation on using fear to raise campaign cash.

Why does he think the Nazi comparison is valid?

"At the very core, he's un-American," the gun merchant says of Obama. "The rest of the world sees him as weak and that's going to bite us in the ass."

5.Guns, God, and No Democrats at Knob Creek
http://www.vice.com/read/guns-god-and-no-democrats

I wasn't unfamiliar with all this. Raised in rural central Pennsylvania, guns were a regular part of my life. My dad had me practice at the local range and I’ve killed a few creatures larger than your average pit bull. Truthfully, guns can be a metric ton of fun. Witnessing the explosive orgy of household objects and automobiles getting blown to scrap is an incredibly visceral experience. Watching a boat captained by a department store mannequin transform into splintered wood and flames is just plain invigorating. If I had the thousands of dollars needed to rent a space and take part in the demolition, I’d love to render some of my busted camera equipment asunder. (??? cameras ???)

But, while destruction is all fine and good, something was off at Knob Creek. Sure, every subculture has quirks that can be distasteful, but this was something different. These guys clearly didn't use their automatic weapons for sport, the way me and my relatives did;
i THINK that's ? maybe?

6."Family Friendly" Machine Gun Festival Welcomes Neo-Nazi Extremists
http://www.alternet.org/story/150603/%22family_friendly%22_machine_gun_festival_welcomes_neo-nazi_extremists

(same writer as #1 and 2, five years later)

I won't deny the red-blooded-American joy of firing automatic weapons at exploding targets.

Still I have to ask: What's up with the little kids in Nazi shirts?

7.The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012

no comment ^^^

8.At Gun Show, Conservatives Panic About Obama
http://washingtonindependent.com/37511/at-gun-show-conservatives-panic-about-obama

(i saved the 'good news' for last)

James Delk and his namesake son say that they’ve bought more ammo and supplies not just because they fear what might become illegal under Obama, but because they fear what could happen in an unarmed, increasingly economically disparate society. “I stocked up on food a little bit,” says the elder James Delk. “I’ve got one bedroom I converted into a food pantry. If it keeps getting worse, and it seems like it is, people are going to start breaking into your home to get food. You need to try to protect your family.”

“Now, I hope that Obama succeeds,” interjects the younger James Delk,
“as long as he obeys the Constitution. They should enforce the laws they have instead of taking it out on innocent gun owners.”

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OFFENSIVE excerpt from #1 + 2:
Wearing orange foam earplugs to muffle the nearby thunder of relentless automatic weapons fire, a grizzled man with SS lightning bolt tattoos on his forearms pulls a little red wagon loaded with rifle ammunition. Carefully picking his way through the teeming crowd, he passes table after table laden with machine guns, gas masks, combat knives, war memorabilia and bomb-making guides. The man sheds his camouflage tactical vest to reveal a worn black T-shirt emblazoned with a Totenkopf, the Death's Head symbol of the Waffen SS. Then he parks his wagon to join a huddle of shoppers surrounding a hard-faced spokeswoman from Valkyrie Arms who's extolling the virtues of the Olympia, Wash.-based arms maker's new product, the Valkyrior 556 Rotary Gun.

"It's .223-caliber, six barrels, basically you're looking at a hand-cranked mini-gun," she says.

The man asks, "What's the rate of fire?"

"Just as fast as you can crank it," she replies. "We just shipped a load of these babies to civilian security contractors in Iraq for convoy protection. When I go to sleep tonight, I'll dream of t***** heads splattering all over the place."

"We need to ship a few to the border and start splattering M*******," he says.



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Response to farminator3000 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:12 AM

1. I've been to knob creek. Its a great event.

 

Every subculture has its small percentage of wackos, and Class III collectors are no different. Thankfully history shows us that even the wackos of the group, however fucked up their views may be, are ultimately harmless. The number of crimes since 1934 which involved legally owned fully automatic weapons can literally be counted on one hand. Machine gun owners are one of the most law abiding groups in the country. Their weapons are registered and they must undergo an extensive several month long FBI background check before purchasing them. 99.9999% of the owners are good people. Looking at a couple crazy booths at an event that hosts thousands of people, and then trying to make broad generalizations about the whole group based on those few extremists is dishonest.

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Response to justanidea (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:36 PM

5. not trying to offend you at all...i'd even go if skinheads were 'frowned upon'...

but they literally make my skin crawl. they aren't just in KY, and sometimes have hair...? i'm 'aware' of some, personally

i don't know if you caught the event's 'organizer's' thing about strip clubs being everywhere, so nazis can be, too?

when's the last time you saw a strip club next to a school? (i'm sure there is one somewhere, not gonna bother finding out.)

maybe more common near churches? whatever...

i think 99.9999% good is a bit generous, however.

there were more KKK members than democrats, perhaps?

and such an event attracts both fun-loving and 'extreme' elements.

to wit-
NOT COOL if a border patrol vigilante from AZ goes to KY because he can't get a big enuf gat in AZ (i WISH that was a joke..)

and is 'inspired' by the 'lady's' gatling gun spiel?

trying to make broad generalizations about the whole group based on those few extremists is dishonest.

the fact that they are there is not a generalization, and you thankfully can make the choice to avoid them...

perhaps things were 'slow' at the nazi booth because they know the feds are watching?

other 'odd' things-
the NRA having a booth NEXT TO the nazis
the military contractors 'views' on foreign policy.
RNC possibly involved with questionable racist 'propaganda'
kids in deathhead nazi shirts.

perhaps more than ODD?

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/kentucky-supreme-court-upholds-splc-s-crushing-legal-victory-against-notorious-kla
03/16/2012
Kentucky Supreme Court Upholds SPLC’s Crushing Legal Victory Against Notorious Klan Leader


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Response to farminator3000 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:24 AM

2. Do you expect neo-Nazis and skinheads to abide by laws demanding they disarm?

Serious question.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:59 AM

3. not at all. i expect there are undercover fbi agents where appropriate? top priority and all...

i think they shouldn't be able to buy any rotating artillery gun they want!

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/03/08/how-to-track-terrorists-from-your-phone

The Digital Terror + Hate app, released Tuesday by the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights organization that runs "Museums of Tolerance" in New York, Los Angeles and Jerusalem, features information on jihadists, white supremacists , anti-Semitic and other hate groups. It's a handheld version of the organization's annual digital terror and hate watch lists, which have been used by the Department of Homeland Security and other law enforcement organizations.

The app and project is endorsed by Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal. He says the app will help local police departments, which don't have the resources to keep tabs on the online activities of hate groups.

"This app is a tremendous resource for law enforcement to help communicate to them the steps to correct and eradicate the threat of hate crimes," Blumenthal says. "At the national level, the FBI is on top of the worst stuff, but at the local level, they're lucky if they have one person assigned to "

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i also think the 'leaders' are either smart enough to be in it for the $$$ power and 'fame', and won't do anything, or aren't a threat because they might have trouble tying their shoes.

there are pros on this shit 24/7, thank god.
03/16/2012
Kentucky Supreme Court Upholds SPLC’s Crushing Legal Victory Against Notorious Klan Leader
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/kentucky-supreme-court-upholds-splc-s-crushing-legal-victory-against-notorious-kla

serious question:

how many of these jerks do you think exist because of whiney wayney lapuke's 'hate speech'? and 'hate laws'?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/map-gun-laws-2009-2012
The NRA Surge: 99 Laws Rolling Back Gun Restrictions

~95% since ~1977?

Hate Map
Is there a hate group in your state? Explore our map of more than 1,000 hate groups in the United States.
http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/hate%20map

Hate Incidents
Incidents of apparent hate crimes and hate group activities listed here are drawn primarily from media sources. These incidents include only a fraction of the approximately 191,000 reported and unreported hate crimes that a 2005 government report estimated occur annually.
Search returned 3808 results.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-incidents

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:11 PM

4. The authorities have a pretty poor track record on enforcing prohibitions

I see no reason to believe they will become super-competent just because some new words have been added to yet another piece of paper. And then there are those occassions when the authorities have been the oppressors, i.e. Bull Connor

People being actively attacked can't afford to wait for the next FBI undercover sting operation. No, I'm not saying someone needs a 30 gigajoule railgun but anything the police carry in the ordinary day-to-day performance of their duties seems like a good choice for self-defense as it has been professionally vetted using a performance based criteria.

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Response to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:46 PM

7. very true. the reason is the ATFs miserable budget. but the FBI is doing ok, i think.

Neo-Nazi Leader James Porrazzo Mixes Racism with Leftist Ideology
Intelligence Report » Winter 2012
The arrests last spring of 14 American Front (AF) members in Florida capped a year of tumultuous infighting that began with the killing of the organization’s national leader, David Lynch. Now, an earlier AF national leader has returned and is working to lead Lynch’s former followers to a bizarre new ideology that mixes ideas of the radical right with those of the extreme left.
http://www.splcenter.org/search/apachesolr_search/fbi%20arrests

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http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/summer/georgia-bill-attacks-paper-terrorism-
In one case in Georgia, Temple Police Chief Tim Shaw was harassed, threatened and hit with false liens totaling more than $800,000 by a sovereign citizen angered by a traffic citation. Other sovereigns who were being prosecuted under the RICO Act filed baseless property liens and lawsuits against government officials involved in their case. In such cases, officials can become entangled in legal proceedings that can take years and thousands of dollars to sort out.

The measure comes as sovereign citizens pose an increasing threat to law enforcement. In February, the FBI announced it was dedicating more resources to the movement, which the agency has designated as “domestic terrorist.” Six law enforcement officers have been killed by sovereigns since 2000, and Oklahoma City bombing co-conspirator Terry Nichols held sovereign beliefs.


anything the police carry in the ordinary day-to-day performance of their duties seems like a good choice for self-defense as it has been professionally vetted using a performance based criteria.


that's pretty much my point, i don't think most cops want to have to carry a hand-cranked rail gun in the trunk...

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Response to farminator3000 (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:40 PM

6. "A Friends of the NRA fundraising booth was located within sight of a stall of swastika flags. "

April 13, 2011

Also for sale were the race war fantasy novels Hunter and The Turner Diaries by William Pierce , founder of the National Alliance, a notorious hate group. A Friends of the NRA fundraising booth was located within sight of a stall of swastika flags.

forgot my most important point in the OP!

from link #6 in OP.

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:57 PM

8. Now, now, let's not let a few bad apples prejudice our views!

After all, every subculture has a few whackos, right?

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