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Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:14 AM

How about if someone posts a satirical article, let us know before you


get to the end of the post?

I think that would just be common courtesy.


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Reply How about if someone posts a satirical article, let us know before you (Original post)
raccoon Feb 2013 OP
hobbit709 Feb 2013 #1
Coyotl Feb 2013 #36
geckosfeet Feb 2013 #2
odiumestpuritas Feb 2013 #3
cali Feb 2013 #8
odiumestpuritas Feb 2013 #9
cali Feb 2013 #11
odiumestpuritas Feb 2013 #12
Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #17
odiumestpuritas Feb 2013 #25
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #30
TeamPooka Feb 2013 #50
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #56
juajen Feb 2013 #28
NCTraveler Feb 2013 #27
TreasonousBastard Feb 2013 #4
Iggo Feb 2013 #52
onlyadream Feb 2013 #5
OneGrassRoot Feb 2013 #6
rurallib Feb 2013 #7
skydive forever Feb 2013 #13
NewJeffCT Feb 2013 #14
SCVDem Feb 2013 #15
datasuspect Feb 2013 #18
Mira Feb 2013 #21
Coyotl Feb 2013 #40
treestar Feb 2013 #53
baldguy Feb 2013 #10
alphafemale Feb 2013 #16
SCVDem Feb 2013 #45
alphafemale Feb 2013 #49
paulbibeau Feb 2013 #19
SCVDem Feb 2013 #46
rickford66 Feb 2013 #20
paulbibeau Feb 2013 #22
csziggy Feb 2013 #24
paulbibeau Feb 2013 #42
rock Feb 2013 #23
Sheldon Cooper Feb 2013 #26
mountain grammy Feb 2013 #39
Coyotl Feb 2013 #29
demwing Feb 2013 #31
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #33
demwing Feb 2013 #38
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #32
SemperEadem Feb 2013 #34
mountain grammy Feb 2013 #35
iandhr Feb 2013 #37
quinnox Feb 2013 #41
cyberswede Feb 2013 #44
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2013 #43
SCVDem Feb 2013 #47
rickford66 Feb 2013 #48
ZombieHorde Feb 2013 #51
Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #54
DavidDvorkin Feb 2013 #55

Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:20 AM

1. Too many people fail to gauge the size of the sarchasm in the sarcasm.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:58 AM

36. A Modest Proposal regarding the cooking and eating of babies

If the cooking and eating of babies is involved, yes, by all means let us know it is satire first, in case we don't get it.

Warning Satire: "Conservative; Noun. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.”
Ambrose Bierce


That just doesn't work for me.

Warning Satire: “All animals are equal but some are more equal than others.” Orwell.


Again, better without the warning.

Viewer Warning: This show consists of absurdist satire targeted at everyone. Prepare to be mocked.



Satire should force you to question beliefs and accept no outside authority. The warning disrupts the purpose.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:33 AM

2. smiley alerts are acceptable

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Response to odiumestpuritas (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:20 AM

8. lol. so you think that most people writing satire can even come close

to Swift's brilliance? Furthermore, the internet is not a medium that lends itself all that well to sarcasm. Not to mention that there are so many factual stories that read like satire.

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Response to odiumestpuritas (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:26 AM

11. uh, no. Not if the satire is exceedingly poor. And much of it is.

Same goes for sarcasm. You are just wrong.

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Response to odiumestpuritas (Reply #12)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:59 AM

17. I fully agree with the other poster and since you are being brusk and insulting the intelligence of

others I am going to point out that while telling us how unintelligent DU is you ask if DUers "take things to literal now?"
That should read 'too literally now'. Too, not to. Literally, not literal.
Now I make plenty of spelling errors but I also don't tell others they are too stupid to read well.

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Response to odiumestpuritas (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:51 AM

30. you're right--you didn't call anyone stupid

your posts insinuated that they are.

don't act brand new.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:26 PM

50. they were new and they are gone now.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #50)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 05:53 AM

56. good job

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:45 AM

28. LOL. You beat me to it.

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Response to odiumestpuritas (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:43 AM

27. Most du members are not at the Swift level of writing.

I know I am not. So using that as your reasoning completely fails to make the point. Although there are some very good writers here.

"the level of intelligence here so low" If that is what you feel then you must agree that they shouldn't be making an attempt at sarcasm. Good sarcasm takes some skill. Some here are really good at it, some are not.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:06 AM

4. That would tend to void the point of satire, would it not? Better that readers...

get it, shut up, or at least admit when they've been had.

Blaming the writer for one's own rush to judgment is really bad form-- satire is a game and your father should have told you complaining when you lose is not the grown up way to deal with it.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:33 PM

52. Yep.

I was halfway through that Mexican restaurant story yesterday before I realized it was bogus.

So what? Still funny.

I like smart jokes and I like dumb jokes. And if sometimes the joke's on me, well that's just the price of admission ain't it.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:15 AM

5. I give up

Is the OP being sarcastic here?

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:15 AM

6. Too many are duped by satirical sites, like dailycurrant

Everything is so batshit crazy that what used to be obvious satire is no longer obvious.

I'm coming across too many articles referring to how liberals have been duped by satirical articles, sharing them and making them go viral -- believing they're factual reports -- even though they're not based in truth. The recent Ann Coulter/pilot thing is one.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:20 AM

7. the one on Limbaugh at the Mexican restaurant got me

I was already to start sending it around.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:29 AM

13. Me too

completely fell for it. Mostly because it was so believable.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:30 AM

14. I didn't send it around

but, it was believable to me as well.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:49 AM

15. Nowhere did it say satire.

I believed it and not until I read some of the responses did I know it was fake.

If I were the first reader and acted, it would have been to a lie, not satire.


Our bad if we miss seeing 'The Onion' on a story link.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:17 AM

18. satire does not equal fictional story

 

is idiocracy already here?

was idiocracy a documentary?

i can see people getting tricked: there is no attempt at satire except for labeling it as such.

i agree with you.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:26 AM

21. Identical thing happened to me on that one.

It's how wishing it were so can momentarily cloud your judgment!

I think - actually - that a caution ahead of time takes away part of the joy of satire. The startling second, when it dawns on you that you are being had, is fun and stimulating, and part of it's magic.
Though I do think an indication of it being satire at the end is appropriate to make sure folks like you and I get bridled in time.

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Response to Mira (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:03 AM

40. The inevitability of the event got me at first. This should happen to Rush!

The poster did a good job of putting the URL downpost and hiding the dailycurrent part until the end.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:43 PM

53. I believed that too until it was pointed out

Didn't know that site. Story not all that implausible!

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:25 AM

10. Because too often real life out-WTFs satire.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 08:54 AM

16. That kind of ruins the point of satire.

Saying "This is satire" at the beginning.

The game is to keen onto that by clues in the story.

good lord

spoiler alerts wanted for sarcasm now


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Response to alphafemale (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:05 AM

45. Seeing anything from 'The Onion' is a giveaway

Knowing that doesn't change the popularity, does it? The stories are still funny, right?

I'm not up on my satire sites other than that.

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Response to SCVDem (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:15 PM

49. um....no.

Some things are meant to be figured out.

That is the fun part of it.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:20 AM

19. I respectfully disagree.

I write satire. Sometimes I try to make it bone dry. I like to explore that point where it becomes disorienting. I wrote a piece in which someone was describing how Michele Bachmann was actually making a few reasonable points recently, and embedded in the text were clues that the writer was having some kind of neurological event. NO ONE got it. I wish I'd connected with more readers - I like sharing the joke, when people surface from the insanity of the prose, and realize what I am actually saying. But I wouldn't change it.

Here's what I'm trying to do, successfully or not: Make you pay attention. Make you cling to the words, like you're trying to figure out the code to disarm the bomb that every, absolutely every, worthwhile message contains.

Here's what I'm trying to avoid, and this occurs on many, many political websites: That moment where you can't stop agreeing with me long enough to think about what I really mean.

I'm not perfect at what I do. Sometimes I'm not even good at it. But shortcuts like you describe spoil it. And it's worth doing.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:07 AM

46. Michele Bachmann was actually making a few reasonable points

Satire and Alert!!!

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:23 AM

20. I agree

Some satirical headlines are obviously believable otherwise they aren't satire. But, many of us looking to read real news or facts feel like we've wasted time. Satire in the comments are entertaining of course but we've had the heads up and expect it. Those who want fake headlines can always go to WND and FOX. I don't waste time on the Freeper sites unless someone here posts a link to something relevant to the discourse at hand. Just my thoughts.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:33 AM

22. And about fake news stories that cross the line...

I didn't like the Ann Coulter-on-the-plane piece either. But I could tell it was satire, because it wasn't a well-sourced news story. There was no indication of how the reporter knew what he or she knew. No quotes that could be backed up, or debunked.

Think about that. And think about this: Maybe the people who want easy, problem-free access to "facts" are looking at this exactly the wrong way. The mental skill set you need to analyze satire is the same you need to think critically about "real news." And you should never, ever put that toolbox down - especially when you read something you want to agree with.

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Response to paulbibeau (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:37 AM

24. Thank you!

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Response to csziggy (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:15 AM

42. You're very welcome.

Don't you think it makes us better at being progressive? I do. I'd say the same to my thoughtful conservative friends. I have a buddy who is a crazy rightwinger, but he's tough to argue with, because he really, honestly puts his whole brain at work when he advocates for his appalling madness. So I have to work. I have to think, "Why do I think he's about to lead us to a dystopian nightmare? Why exactly is that?" And then I get down to what I believe and know.

And then maybe I add a fart joke. Blog writes itself after that, really.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:34 AM

23. Are you being sarcastic?

Well, I am.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:39 AM

26. This is satire, and it's obvious to everyone:

Hillary Clinton Opens Chili's Franchise Just Outside Of Washington, D.C.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/hillary-clinton-opens-chilis-franchise-just-outsid,31125/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

It's clearly satire because it's preposterous on its face. The story about Limbaugh being thrown out of a Mexican restaurant is not (good) satire because the story is mostly believable.

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Response to Sheldon Cooper (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:01 AM

39. And I love it! Yay "Onion!"

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:45 AM

29. And take all the fun out of a good satire. I hope not.

Sorry you got snookered though.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:52 AM

31. Part of the responsibility rests with the reader

Have you never had someone respond to a post, and it's clear they didn't read the post, just the title?

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Response to demwing (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:53 AM

33. I thought for awhile "respond based on thread titles only" was somewhere in the TOS. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #33)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:59 AM

38. No fair

you didn't use the tag. How can anyone understand you without pictures?

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:53 AM

32. I think it's more courteous to assume readers aren't that dense.

Most satirical articles here aren't terribly subtle.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:55 AM

34. I take it this refers to the article about

limpfuck being booted from a Mexican restaurant...

I, too, didn't get the satirical spin at first. But once I got into the article, the language being used and the things said made me question how they got away with that. So I went to the website and clicked on their home page and took a look at the other articles... when I saw most of the titles were over the top, then I realized that it was like The Onion.

It's too bad the story wasn't true--would have made my day.

Word of caution---take the time to read the story from its website--and look at other articles from the website before posting it and then being called out for it being false.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:58 AM

35. The Limbaugh story got me too, so very believable

and I've been reading "The Onion" for years, plus, I've often been called a sarcastic bitch, so I think I know sarcasm. Rarely does a fake story get by me. What I don't understand, is why some on this thread seem so offended because a few of us just "didn't get it." Lighten up!

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:59 AM

37. Disagree

The whole point of some of the stuff the Onion does is that the line between satire and reality have blurred.

EG Todd Akin spend election night trying to figure out what went wrong.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:03 AM

41. its easier to just put those who try to pass off satire as real on ignore

 

It is so childish, like they are 5 years old or something.
I don't want to waste my time clicking on their threads in the first place.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #41)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:00 AM

44. LOL - the only two DUers I have on ignore...

are Don Davis and ThisThreadIsSatire.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:31 AM

43. Watch out for confirmation bias,

which is basically that you want to believe things that reinforce your existing opinion. So if, for example, you read an article about a Mexican restaurant refusing to serve Rush Limbaugh because he's a racist, or Ann Coulter refusing to fly on an airplane whose pilot was a black woman, you might miss the satire because you don't like these people, you know they have expressed racist views in the past, and you are inclined to believe the worst of them. So you read the articles and think "Ha! I knew something like this would happen to these assholes someday!" Doesn't mean you're stupid; it means you're susceptible - as everyone is - to confirmation bias. Just be aware of it - and remember that good satire will make you laugh as well as go "Ha! I knew it!" Bad satire will just confirm your bias. (The Daily Currant is usually bad satire because it's not very funny, just borderline libelous.)

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:20 AM

47. Here's the problem with the story as satire.

It was only a week or so ago when a waiter of a restaraunt booted customers who wished to be reseated.

"Garcia, who works at the Houston restaurant Laurenzo's, was waiting on a family, regulars with a 5-year-old child, Milo, who has Down syndrome. The server said that another family at the restaurant commented on Milo’s behavior, which Garcia described as “talking and making little noises." Garcia moved the complaining family to another table, but they were still unhappy. "Special needs children need to be special somewhere else," the father reportedly said.

The waiter then took a stand. He told FoxNews.com that such talk is ignorant and is due to people's fear of the unknown. "My personal feelings took over," he said, leading him to tell the father, "Sir, I won't be able to serve you.” The family left the restaurant." The Lookout http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/waiter-refused-customer-becomes-hero-144638357--finance.html


So while this could have been satire , the Rush story comes on the heels of this and copy cats are not uncommon. Maybe this waiter energized peoples sensibilities.


Or would that be


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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:20 AM

48. Maybe FOX is really satire

I give those wingnuts a hearty round of applause. They really had me fooled.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:29 PM

51. Wait, is this OP satire?

Are you really saying we are dumb if we believe a satirical article was meant to be true?

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:47 PM

54. "Never post anything from the Daily Currant" is a pretty good rule.

Since pretty much everything from that wannabe-Onion site is not clever or funny.

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Response to raccoon (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:00 PM

55. Yes!

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