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Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:57 PM

The day is coming when a device will be available to explode ammunition remotely in your 30 rd

Magazine.

It's already here for IEDs at a distance , research stage right now , but not far off DOD deployment ...then a matter of time before my gizmo can explode your 50 cal magazine in your cammo pants...thoughts on your second amendment rights at THAT point?

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Reply The day is coming when a device will be available to explode ammunition remotely in your 30 rd (Original post)
pkdu Feb 2013 OP
MadHound Feb 2013 #1
pkdu Feb 2013 #4
MadHound Feb 2013 #6
pkdu Feb 2013 #7
MadHound Feb 2013 #10
pkdu Feb 2013 #14
MadHound Feb 2013 #15
krispos42 Feb 2013 #2
pkdu Feb 2013 #5
defacto7 Feb 2013 #3
kelly1mm Feb 2013 #23
Xithras Feb 2013 #85
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #87
Union Scribe Feb 2013 #8
pkdu Feb 2013 #9
Union Scribe Feb 2013 #12
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #101
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #11
Union Scribe Feb 2013 #13
slackmaster Feb 2013 #44
Canuckistanian Feb 2013 #100
Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #102
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #71
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #16
pkdu Feb 2013 #18
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #17
pkdu Feb 2013 #19
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #33
napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #21
sarisataka Feb 2013 #24
defacto7 Feb 2013 #26
Recursion Feb 2013 #46
shadowrider Feb 2013 #55
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #89
oldhippie Feb 2013 #62
Recursion Feb 2013 #66
napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #120
Recursion Feb 2013 #121
napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #122
jberryhill Feb 2013 #126
baldguy Feb 2013 #125
Coyote_Tan Feb 2013 #37
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #38
GaYellowDawg Feb 2013 #20
defacto7 Feb 2013 #27
pinboy3niner Feb 2013 #22
kelly1mm Feb 2013 #25
Deep13 Feb 2013 #29
kelly1mm Feb 2013 #30
stevenleser Feb 2013 #49
Deep13 Feb 2013 #64
Deep13 Feb 2013 #28
graham4anything Feb 2013 #31
Union Scribe Feb 2013 #50
graham4anything Feb 2013 #52
Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #90
NickB79 Feb 2013 #32
ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #34
lumberjack_jeff Feb 2013 #41
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #35
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #36
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #39
Recursion Feb 2013 #47
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #80
Recursion Feb 2013 #82
Recursion Feb 2013 #48
Recursion Feb 2013 #40
jmowreader Feb 2013 #106
Recursion Feb 2013 #107
oldhippie Feb 2013 #42
Recursion Feb 2013 #45
oldhippie Feb 2013 #61
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #92
oldhippie Feb 2013 #93
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #94
oldhippie Feb 2013 #95
slackmaster Feb 2013 #43
SayWut Feb 2013 #51
Incitatus Feb 2013 #53
theKed Feb 2013 #75
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #54
dairydog91 Feb 2013 #65
Motown_Johnny Feb 2013 #56
EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #57
slackmaster Feb 2013 #60
apocalypsehow Feb 2013 #104
cherokeeprogressive Feb 2013 #70
99Forever Feb 2013 #58
rl6214 Feb 2013 #103
99Forever Feb 2013 #109
rl6214 Feb 2013 #117
Marengo Feb 2013 #110
99Forever Feb 2013 #112
Marengo Feb 2013 #114
99Forever Feb 2013 #115
Marengo Feb 2013 #118
99Forever Feb 2013 #119
Marengo Feb 2013 #123
99Forever Feb 2013 #124
Marengo Feb 2013 #128
pkdu Feb 2013 #111
99Forever Feb 2013 #113
raidert05 Feb 2013 #59
dairydog91 Feb 2013 #63
MineralMan Feb 2013 #67
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #69
MineralMan Feb 2013 #72
Buzz Clik Feb 2013 #74
MineralMan Feb 2013 #76
Left2Tackle Feb 2013 #68
99Forever Feb 2013 #73
nick of time Feb 2013 #77
Left2Tackle Feb 2013 #96
mokawanis Feb 2013 #99
Posteritatis Feb 2013 #81
2on2u Feb 2013 #78
Fla_Democrat Feb 2013 #79
JVS Feb 2013 #83
Recursion Feb 2013 #108
Initech Feb 2013 #84
Riftaxe Feb 2013 #86
GoneOffShore Feb 2013 #88
GreenStormCloud Feb 2013 #91
jayfox122 Feb 2013 #97
rl6214 Feb 2013 #98
Dash87 Feb 2013 #105
randome Feb 2013 #116
madrchsod Feb 2013 #127

Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:06 AM

1. My question, why do you sound like you are salivating for this to become reality.

 

You're sounding as bloodthirsty as those you oppose, perhaps more so.

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Response to MadHound (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:15 AM

4. Hmmm, salivating , bloodthirsty ,oppose and "more so" . Four strong words/phrases.

I'm posing a real question that is likely to face the "right to bear arms" viewpoint , why thse four words and phrases?

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Response to pkdu (Reply #4)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:17 AM

6. Because I find them to be apt phrases,

 

So again, why do you sound as though you are salivating for this to become reality?

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Response to MadHound (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:21 AM

7. I posted less 100 words. Please tell me which ones evoked those 4 phrases in your mind. Then

I will respond to exactly those.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:24 AM

10. All of them.

 

Now then, why do you seem to be salivating for this to become reality?

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Response to MadHound (Reply #10)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:27 AM

14. I'll answer you , right after you respond with non- bullshit.

..but my expectations are low.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:31 AM

15. You asked the question, I answered. It is one way of saying "the whole tenor of your post".

 

That isn't bullshit, it is the entirety of your post.

Now then, why are you sounding like you are salivating for this to become reality?

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:13 AM

2. So I can legally shoot anybody trying to point this device at me?

Excellent.


Or, I can sue them if I'm hurt from the shrapnel of a gun exploding nearby?

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:17 AM

5. I'm asking you. What's your view of 2a under that circumstance.really shoot all that make u nervous?

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:14 AM

3. Sounds like an excellent deterrent to me.

If you want to carry said magazine, you accept the possible consequences.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:15 AM

23. I am sure the LEO's that have to carry 'said magazine' will thank you for your

concern. Can you think of the damage inflicted on LEO's if someone were able to pack one of these devices in a cargo van and drive around NYC? The test generator had a range of 65 ft so you could basically sweep a street (both sides) of all LEO's just by driving down the middle of the road.

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:10 PM

85. Can you imagine the fun on the 4th of July?

Pull up to a fireworks booth, flip a switch, and BOOM. Pity the poor 6 year old with a firecracker in his pocket. Fireworks, after all, use gunpowder just like bullets do.

And it's really just a matter of time until some civilian gets his hands on one and reverse engineers it. Once that happens, anyone with a few community college EE classes can build one. It'll be pretty awesome when the LEO's kick down the door of some criminals house during a raid and the officers weapons all explode

And can you imagine one of these on the battlefield? Talk about your "disruptive technologies"!

Luckily, of course, I paid attention in my physics classes, and I understand that it's not actually possible to build a device like this.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:39 PM

87. If it would work for 30 round why wouldn't it work for just 1?

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:21 AM

8. Is it Random Disjointed Gun Thought Day and no one told me?

Or, "lol wut?"

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:24 AM

9. That's every day in the Gungeon ...please proceed Mr Gungeoneer! Nt

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Response to pkdu (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:25 AM

12. Oh good, now disjointed thoughts about me.

Little Friday night celebration going on there?

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Response to pkdu (Reply #9)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:05 AM

101. That one's expressed his disdain for DU's progressive values quite often, including this whiny

"GBCDU" post that he later had to self-delete when it became obvious that his vow to never post here again was not going to be fulfilled by the one doing the so-promising:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240104600

When called on this later in Meta, all he could do was about how unfair it all was that people should hold him to his stated word, or expect him not to post pro-NRA talking points on Democratic Underground.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:25 AM

11. I am due beer and travel money

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:27 AM

13. (and many experiences) nt

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:05 PM

44. Yeah, me too

 

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #11)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:56 AM

100. hahahaha

What was his name again?

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Response to Canuckistanian (Reply #100)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:05 AM

102. Random Thought

A wonderfully disjointed individual.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:15 PM

71. I should have read your post immediately after reading the OP. It would have saved time.

The OP is ... well ... damn.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:36 AM

16. My thoughts on "my" Second Amendment are not going to changed by disjointed posts on a message board

Put THAT in your hookah/bong/pipe and smoke it.

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Response to cherokeeprogressive (Reply #16)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:04 AM

18. I have never Hookahed , Bonged , piped , smoked , anything but YOU can infer what ever you like .

How very progressive.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:01 AM

17. You might want to check on that

There are some basic physics to overcome

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:06 AM

19. You apparently haven't ...try it.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #19)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:54 AM

33. I have...and it does not look like it will impact small arms in the least

Which is why I brought up the basic physics issue.

It is going after the detonators for IEDs. Very different

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:34 AM

21. Apparently it uses EM resonance frequencies.

Like the opera note that breaks the wine glass, but with radio.

It would be interesting to experiment with this idea. Not with IED's of course, but rather with some bullet primers. Is there a loud audio frequency you can find that will detonate them? A radio frequency?

edit: link
http://www.gizmag.com/exploding-ieds-remotely-using-electromagnetic-energy/17893/

And after thought: how would it get through the ground that buries the IED? Or the shielding of a magazine? I think I'm still a bit skeptical too.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:16 AM

24. Hint

it targets electrically fired detonators...

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:28 AM

26. It's probably similar to the device I built that

explodes car stereo speakers within a block if they are pushing more than a certain wattage. No more Boom, Boom.

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:22 PM

46. The magazine is itself a shield. It's a Faraday cage. Electrical field must be isotropically zero...

... at the surface, and gradient lines must be normal to the surface at all points. A good place to start is here:



Which I also have tattooed on my arm, for quick reference.

(Interestingly, Special Relativity falls out of those equations as a direct consequence, it just took Einstein to see that.)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:48 PM

55. You could tell me

that's secret code for grandma's bread and I still wouldn't understand it.

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #55)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:48 PM

89. I swear it's

the pattern from my bathroom wallpaper.

I hate my bathroom.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #46)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:01 PM

62. I don't have tattoos, but ...

.... I have a Tee shirt with those equations, vector form on the front and the Integral form on the back. I get lots of strange looks but some smiles of recognition.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #62)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:06 PM

66. I use the D-B-E-H differential version so I don't have all the epsilons and mus

Interesting trivia: Maxwell invented none of those, and didn't list them together at any point in his Treatise.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #46)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:00 PM

120. Aha! You've outed yourself Mr. Jono!

I see your tattoos on this page here:

http://talklikeaphysicist.com/2009/tuesday-physics-tattoo-jonos-maxwells-equations/

Surely this is not a common tattoo.... Right? Right?

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #120)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:04 PM

121. Well that means there are at least two of us!

Mine are in a ring around my left bicep. I think I'm in a book of science tattoos somewhere, though.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #121)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:11 PM

122. Oh darn. Worth a guess. Cool tat though.

I always liked the Euler's identity tats. With my luck though, whatever I got tattooed would be proven wrong the next week!

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Response to napoleon_in_rags (Reply #122)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:36 AM

126. I have the Fermat's original proof of his last theorem

...but it was almost too big to fit where I had it done.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:29 AM

125. And what about magazines made out of plastic?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:13 AM

37. He may have gotten mixed up between that and a Doctor Who episode...

 

Sontarans I believe it was...

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Response to Coyote_Tan (Reply #37)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:17 AM

38. I hate it when that happens

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:19 AM

20. I think that'd be wonderful at schools, theaters, and other public places

The idea of someone's ammunition exploding as they approached a school to shoot students and grievously wounding them in the process is great, as far as I'm concerned. The second that someone decides to harm kids, I don't give a damn what happens to them - they have abrogated any rights or considerations as a human being as far as I'm concerned.

But I would want prominent signs up to warn those who carry legally and for self-defense.

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Response to GaYellowDawg (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:31 AM

27. It wreaks with choices and responsibility for all.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:46 AM

22. Not likely

I'm seeing slow-, medium- and high-speed car chases on my local news every night--even though we already have the technology to shut down a car's engine remotely. What's up with that?

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:18 AM

25. Sounds like a good way to clear a street of LEO's before one's buddies come up after

and attack a target. Seriously though, how would you suggest that this could be made safe for LEO's?

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:37 AM

29. Cops won't need guns anymore. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #29)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:56 AM

30. And how would you suggest they respond to a bat/knife/chain wielding perp or, better

yet, group of perps?

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:37 PM

49. I'm guessing the discussion is headed toward DEWs

Directed Energy Weapons, all of which have been promised for several decades now and we have yet to see hand held lasers, masers, phasers or photons weapons.

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:05 PM

64. Greater numbers, batons, pepper spray, taser or...

...or they can rely on their police training to de-escalate the situation by talking.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:36 AM

28. Well, to avoid that premature explosion, ...

...one should just think about baseball.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:12 AM

31. you know, I want guns banned from the street, legal and illegal, using the above example

 

if we could get a new law suggesting guns can remain ONLY in a private home
but not on the street or in the street or in other places accessed from a street
(so that home means that specific home and the property lines only of that home

so collectors can hang em on the wall
hunters can use them from their back yard or use a bow and arrow
go to shooting ranges and borrow theirs

and only federal state and local authority has permission to have a gun on a street during their shifts only




then, the above scenerio in OP well-that is the answer to the gunnies when they ask
how does that prevent the person who brings a gun into a street

all it takes is some new technology and a little bit of luck.
and it would all be legal.
and even easier if guns can be reclassified as a wmd


and also mix in my suggestion the other day of the SuperPac Bloomberg and others have,
to ourright buy up every single gun store, gun dealer, and manuracturer of bullets
and then sell those off to the US military or have one big super duper 4th of july fire works display

(and the superpac can buy the people's buisness, then provide something for each piece of land nationwide, so that all those workers don't lose their jobs.
John's Gun Store can now be John's NY real pizza owned by Bloomie.
and make it with great ingredients and not too much fat. AND no 48 ounce sodas.

things do get a little easier once you understand as the 60s curio went.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:41 PM

50. I'm sorry, this thread already has its quota of

incoherent rambling. Please hang up and dial again.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #50)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:44 PM

52. sorry the operator just said 40cents more for the next 3 minutes, and I deposited it.

 

with apologies to Sylvia's mother.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #31)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:53 PM

90. A law that "suggests"?!?!

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 07:21 AM

32. You apparently don't realize how IED's work

They typically use a radio transmitter rigged to the detonator to receive an incoming call from a cellphone when the spotter sees a targeted vehicle enter the killzone. The IED killer technology you mentioned can identify the frequency used and remotely detonate the bomb before the insurgent spotter can.

Last time I checked, there weren't many 30-rd magazines that incorporated radio-controlled bullets in them

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:55 AM

34. Sssssh, don't confuse them with facts and science

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Response to NickB79 (Reply #32)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:49 AM

41. They all work one way? I thought the "I" stood for "Improvised".

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 09:57 AM

35. I'm reasonably confident reality doesn't work that way. (nt)

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 10:13 AM

36. The cartridge in the chamber is completely shielded by solid metal.

Magazines are made of metal and completely shield the cartridges. Back to the drawing board with your dream.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:32 AM

39. Not that a pile of gunpowder sitting out in the open could be set off by radio, either. (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #39)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:28 PM

47. A laser could conceivably do it; that's a kind of radio transmission

Admittedly a very very specialized kind.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:56 PM

80. That's like saying "the IR signal emitted from a lit match could do it." (nt)

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Response to Posteritatis (Reply #80)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:58 PM

82. Which is also in the least useful sense "true" (nt)

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:29 PM

48. Poor Mr. Faraday... forgotten again

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 11:35 AM

40. Are you familiar with a Faraday cage?

Guess what a metal magazine is.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #40)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:29 AM

106. Guess what a round of ammunition is?

All this "the mag is a Faraday cage" talk is true, but it ignores the metal the ammunition itself is made from.

I was thinkin, 'well, why not just make a device that would heat up the round until it cooked off?" until I remembered such a device would also be thwarted by the metal the ammo is made from. You would be better off inventing a death ray that turned the shooter into 170 pounds of cooked meat.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #106)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:30 AM

107. That's a good point too

Poor Faraday. He didn't have the Calculus, and Maxwell ate his lunch. There's a Tesla/Edison analogy there, somewhere.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:01 PM

42. As an Old Crow kind of guy, and .....

... having worked on testing counter IED technology in my last few years at work, I can tell you that you are fantasizing. Also, such devices are easily defeated with relatively simple ECM. The emissions from such devices can be detected, located, and interdicted in almost real time.

Dream on.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #42)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:18 PM

45. Old Crows

For years I would pass by the Braddock Road metro and wonder what the hell the "Association of Old Crows" was, until I met some people in signals. You guys sure are secretive, which I guess is the point...

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Response to Recursion (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:56 PM

61. Yes they are ....

... but not as bad as some others. For awhile back in the early 80's I was with No Such Agency. They are REALLY tight lipped. My military 201 (personnel file) has my assignment for those years listed as "Detailed." My orders for that assignment had me report to a Post Office Box in the World Post Office at LAX. I had a hell of a time finding someone to report to.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #92)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:14 PM

93. Yep, worked with those guys ....

.... '72 - '76 in WestPac and SEA at a number of their facilities with lots of antennas and an elephant cage.

Being a ham operator for 50+ years now, I run into a lot of the old morse intercept guys.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #93)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 04:27 PM

94. I was an R-390 & R-390A repairman.

April 1965 to May 1966, 3rd Radio Research Unit, Davis Station, Tan Son Nhut, RVN. Being a ditty bop was a high stress job for those guys. I was glad that I flunked the test on the ability to learn Morse.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #94)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 05:00 PM

95. I was OIC of ....

... a small group that did field engineering and troubleshooting of the links and systems at the stations when the local folks ran out of options and ideas. We were mostly based out of Taipei under a number of different cover units, but worked all of WestPac and EastAsia. I loved that job, but alas, I got promoted and had to come back Stateside in '76.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:04 PM

43. That's a fine authoritarian wet dream you have there

 

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:42 PM

51. Personal injury lawyers are salivating already.

 

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:45 PM

53. It's a good thing I don't walk around with a 50 cal magazine in my pants then, eh? nt

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Response to Incitatus (Reply #53)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:22 PM

75. I only have the metaphorical kind

if you know what I mean.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:45 PM

54. What is the point of this thread? I am quite serious and would like to hear from pkdu.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #54)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:06 PM

65. He's demonstrating that humanity will never reach Peak Stupid?

We might run out of fuel one day, but dumb is forever.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:49 PM

56. IEDs have a detonator

The idea that a device will be able to explode gunpowder inside a cartridge, inside a magazine, at a distance is one hell of a leap.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:49 PM

57. The more we have to hear from gun nuts, the more I want their world to crash and burn around them...

 

Anything to wipe their smug, fucking self-entitled smirks off the faces attached to their empty heads is fine by me.

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

60. Paging Lauren Bacall...

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #60)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:10 AM

104. Except, being liberal doesn't mean we accept ugly right-wing memes or those who spout them.

Pardon me: I should really remove the pronoun "we" from any discussion with you that talks about liberals or progressives, as by your own admission you are a "moderate" which really means...well, we know what it means. You are a "moderate" who just happens to buy into and re-post on DU every single right-wing meme the NRA has current, and are proud of it. There's another name for someone of the political persuasion, actually. It isn't "liberal."

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Response to EastKYLiberal (Reply #57)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:14 PM

70. This post is wonderfully violent.

Nicely done!

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

58. Ut oh!

You seemed to have sent the Delicate Flower Brigade into a hissy fit!


They get all bent out of shape when someone even suggests that there might be a limit on their obsession with toting their *The Precious* with them every where they go.

Bwaaaaaa hahahahahahahahah!


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Response to 99Forever (Reply #58)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:10 AM

103. Juvenile post of the day?

 

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #103)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:53 AM

109. Not even close.

There are quite literally hundreds of completely ridiculous "juvenile" posts on this board by Delicate Flowers, each and every day.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #109)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 08:52 PM

117. There ya go, here's another one.

 

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #58)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:45 AM

110. What do you think of the concept as described by the OP?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #110)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:53 PM

112. Sounds like some very...

... poetic justice to me. Whether it's actually feasible or not, is above my pay grade.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #112)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:55 PM

114. Justice? For what?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #114)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:23 PM

115. I guess you want to play "let's pretend," huh?

Like ...

"Let's pretend that Delicate Flowers walking in public places are in so very much danger that they simply *must* have their *The Precious* at all times close at hand, to fend off the roving bands of hostel attackers ready to pounce on them at any moment."

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #115)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 07:27 AM

118. And I am guessing you are incapable of answering a simple question?

In many localities it is entirely legal to carry a firearm concealed. How is exploding a magazine carried on their person, which is beyond the capabilities of the technology in question at any rate, a form of "justice" if no crime is committed?


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Response to Marengo (Reply #118)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 08:59 AM

119. Save the NRA talking points for the Delicate Flowers.

I'm not interested. I have no sympathy for anyone that thinks it's okay to walk around in public with a deadly weapon, concealed or open carry, legal or not, should what they are shopping for, befall them. Should there be that technology at some point, I'm perfectly okay with it being used to PROTECT sane people from Delicate Flowers. Frankly, I don't give a shit if you don't like it.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #119)

Mon Feb 4, 2013, 11:16 PM

123. What are they "shopping" for?

No sympathy to the point where you are perfectly okay with a device which would cause the magazine to explode potentially injuring the carrier, licensed by the state, who is engaging in a legal activity?

That's not sane, no matter how you characterize sanity.

How do you envision it would be utilized, on random people walking on the street?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #123)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 07:46 AM

124. Have a nice day.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #124)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 08:18 PM

128. As I expected...

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #58)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:53 AM

111. ...and still Hissing and Fitting today...even to the point of getting pizza-ed like jay fox below.

They seem to know that even if they can fight off laws with the 2A militia bullshit , science and innovation will overrun their stockpiling eventually.

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Response to pkdu (Reply #111)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:57 PM

113. The Delicate Flower Brigade is coming to...

.. the inevitable conclusion that their reign of terror on the sane members of society is headed the way of the dinosaurs. And like dinosaurs, they scream the loudest as the end goes closer. I think it's a hoot.


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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 12:53 PM

59. This place is...

 

Awesome I find more interesting stuff here to read than any other place...

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:03 PM

63. Yeah. It's called a nuke.

Or, for that matter, any weapon which generates a sufficient thermal pulse to ignite the gunpowder.

It's already here for IEDs at a distance , research stage right now , but not far off DOD deployment

LOL. IED's are often electronically triggered, hence techies can jam the trigger frequency, send a copycat signal to detonate the IED, etc. Nothing like the chemical primers in ammunition.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:07 PM

67. I call bullshit on this.

Thinking about modern ammunition, I cannot think of any remote device that could be made that would detonate the powder in any such cartridge. In fact, I cannot think of any way one might do that.

So, what you propose is not possible, as far as I can tell. A pipe dream, perhaps, but bullshit, nevertheless.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #67)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:13 PM

69. Neutrino wave guide amplification modulators.

This is a big secret that is being harbored deep in the Pentagon.

Just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #69)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:18 PM

72. Oh, yeah. I forgot about that.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #72)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:21 PM

74. Don't thank me. We're here for each other.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #74)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:23 PM

76. Cool hat, bro...

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:11 PM

68. Someone will come up with a countermeasure.

But that's not the point. Take a look at Afghanistan. We have superior weapons by far, alot of good it does against a populous with the belief that they must defend themselves against us.

It's not that the second amendment gives us the right to own a handgun, rifle or sword that makes it important. It's what the meaning behind that right represents. If we want to keep our rights and our Constitution we need to defend them. Against anyone and with whatever means available.

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Response to Left2Tackle (Reply #68)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:19 PM

73. Ahhh yes.

So you are going to "defend your rights" with your peashooter "private arsenal" against who, exactly?

Welcome to DU, enjoy your visit.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #73)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:28 PM

77. My thoughts exactly

 

but the jury let it stand 5-1.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #73)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:28 AM

96. The who doesn't matter.

We each have the right to defend ourselves and our property against anyone. How effective we will be will vary quite a bit. The OP posed how would a hypothetical military weapon effect 2A rights. And it wouldn't do anything to them. That was all I was trying to say.

And thank you, I'm learning alot and enjoying the discussions.

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Response to Left2Tackle (Reply #96)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:54 AM

99. The who matters a great deal

I wouldn't want you to suffer dire consequences because you chose to fight a far superior opponent who happened to have the law on their side.

I'm glad you're learning and enjoying. You shoulda joined in the discussions when you joined 3 years ago, cuz they're so much fun.

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Response to Left2Tackle (Reply #68)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:57 PM

81. They'd have to come up with the measure, first; the OP's hypothetical is absurd. (nt)

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:31 PM

78. The day will be coming when people will wrap their rifles in tin foil as well as their

 

heads. Similar idea, different approach.... or not.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:32 PM

79. Ok, so make 32 round magazines and it will be completely flummexed.

Will it count each individual round, and add 1 for in the chamber?








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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:07 PM

83. There are always such new and exciting ways of not understanding how guns work in this forum.

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Response to JVS (Reply #83)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:31 AM

108. ^ That

Heh

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:10 PM

84. Paranoid much??

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:30 PM

86. I am sure that my phaser made by the same manufacturer

will be immune...

Perhaps it is time you stopped staring at your Harry Potter posters and went outside for some fresh air.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:43 PM

88. Cool story bro.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sat Feb 2, 2013, 03:41 PM

91. In 1967 I read a sci-fi story about such a device.

In the story the Americans were stalemated in a war with the Russian when a GI got the idea. He persuaded the brass to let him build it and give it a try. It worked, the American troops were outfitted with swords and crossbows, while a plane flew over the lines radiating the field, exploding all the Russian ordinance. The inventor was overjoyed until it was explained to him what it would mean in the next war when some enemy would also have the device. Modern war would be back to middle ages equipment. The casualty figures of some ancient battles dwarf most modern battles.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:43 AM

98. Aren't they able to do this because of the electronics in an IED?

 

There are no electronics in a bullet.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 01:26 AM

105. Will we finally get light sabers now?

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Response to Dash87 (Reply #105)

Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:26 PM

116. Here you go. Start building it.

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Response to pkdu (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2013, 09:48 AM

127. this post is silly.........

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