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Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:42 PM

Abortion rights and Gun rights

I would like to propose that people who buy guns should have the same background checks as..women who want an abortion. People who want to buy guns should have ultrasounds, body cavity searches and so on and so forth. Moreover, people who buy guns should only be able to buy them in umm...maybe one or two places in a state. And when they go to buy the gun or ammunition, there should be paid hecklers there to sort of even things up and make it all fair.

People who want to buy guns should have to pass a course or two about how and when you shoot a gun. Sort of like birth control education. Only without the baby. People who buy guns should be able to pass a first aid test, since so many of the hunters shoot themselves or someone else anyway. People who buy guns should watch those films that abortion foes want pregnant women to watch--you know, the kind where somebody is dead and sucked into a vacumn cleaner.

In some states, women who have an abortion are threatened with having their names released in the media. So people who want to buy guns should also. And if they shoot themselves or someone else-even if its an accident, they too should have their names posted. Then too, people who sell guns should have their names posted, especially if one of their sales results in a death.

People who buy guns should have a waiting period and they should not be able to buy guns during some parts of the year--like at Christmas or Thanksgiving, stuff like that. And never on the Sabbath.

What else is there?

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MichiganVote Feb 2013 OP
JaneyVee Feb 2013 #1
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #2
Thinkingabout Feb 2013 #3
Recursion Feb 2013 #4
11 Bravo Feb 2013 #5
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #8
Control-Z Feb 2013 #6
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #11
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #7
CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #10
slackmaster Feb 2013 #12
slackmaster Feb 2013 #15
slackmaster Feb 2013 #9
derby378 Feb 2013 #13
slackmaster Feb 2013 #14
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #16
slackmaster Feb 2013 #19
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #20
JoePhilly Feb 2013 #17
MichiganVote Feb 2013 #18

Response to MichiganVote (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:44 PM

1. Forced trans-anal ultra-sounds.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:44 PM

2. Right. Forgot about those. How hard can it be?

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Response to MichiganVote (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:01 PM

3. Great post, line up gun nuts, let the world know about you.

Bet lots of those buying weapons of war have been some of the hecklers at abortion clinics. They shout "we are prolife except when we want to shoot something with our guns and those forced births can now be aborted". It does not make sense, we don't need weapons of war on out streets. They hate Muslims and they run the streets like thugs packing their guns on their backs.

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Response to MichiganVote (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:11 PM

4. Why *don't* people heckle or protest gun stores and shows?

Seems like that would get some visibility?

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Response to Recursion (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:20 PM

5. Heckling armed people of dubious sanity strikes me as a risky proposition.

(I'm a gun owner, but some of the group ARE FUCKING NUTS!)

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:25 PM

8. As I said down thread, the NRA wants armed teachers so let's use them.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:22 PM

6. Because the possible outcome

of pissing off a gun nut is far more dangerous than that of a scaring and shaming a little 16 year old girl?

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Response to Control-Z (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:27 PM

11. Well the Transvaginal or rectal in the case of guys could cause concern-true.

But its all for the greater good of maintaining the "rights" of people, so why not? We could print out some pamphlets and shit for them if they need it. And hey, we could even dispense birth control at the gun shops--God knows its needed.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:24 PM

7. Well I thought about that. We'll just hire/arm out of work teachers. Simple.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:26 PM

10. there is a gun show in my town tomorrow and I thought about it for

like ten seconds before deciding antagonizing a bunch of armed insecure paranoid people might not really be a good idea.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:28 PM

12. In other words, you are too insecure yourself to go through with it

 

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Response to Recursion (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:37 PM

15. Because they're CHICKEN!

 

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Response to MichiganVote (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:25 PM

9. What a strange post. I'm pro-choice on both guns and abortion, and I believe there should be...

 

...background checks on firearm transfers because through due process of law we have enacted laws prohibiting certain classes of people from owning firearms.

But an abortion is a medical procedure, and my opinion is that as with all other medical procedures there should never be any kind of government-imposed hurdle other than ensuring that the procedure is done by a properly trained and licensed practitioner and in a manner consistent with accepted medical practice. The only check on someone requesting an abortion IMO should be verification that the person is either an adult or legally emancipated, and therefore legally qualified to make a medical decision without the consent of a parent or legal guardian.

In some states, women who have an abortion are threatened with having their names released in the media. So people who want to buy guns should also.

What a bizarre opinion. Wouldn't it be better if neither group of people had their names released in the media for their private, personal decisions?

I've seen some weird things posted on a supposedly progressive board, but this takes the cake.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:31 PM

13. I'm assuming the "Sacrasm" graphic was left out on purpose

And I'm with you on abortion as a medical procedure. The OP, if not joking, has clearly jumped the shark.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:33 PM

14. I understand that the OP is an exercise in rhetoric.

 

It's just not very good rhetoric.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:47 PM

16. Try a little imagination, its easy if you try.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:59 PM

19. I understand, really. It's just not funny, doesn't skewer any hypocrisy that isn't already skewered

 

...or have any other redeeming value. It's unoriginal and uninspired.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:43 PM

20. Thank you for comments and criticism but I think I'll exercise my free speech too.

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Response to MichiganVote (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:48 PM

17. You are on to something very important I think.

The GOP wants to stop all Abortions. But Roe V Wade prevents that. So, they nibble around the edges. They create an endless series of hoops that are intended to make it harder for a woman to have an abortion.

I think those of us who want some sensible guns controls laws should take a similar approach. Pass laws that allow one to "keep and bear" arms ... but start to make the PURCHASE of such weapons more difficult. You can KEEP AND BEAR them AFTER you jump through the hoops of PURCHASE and SALE.

At the federal level, use the COMMERCE CLAUSE. Congress can REGULATE the SALE and the PURCHASE of goods and services. And so again, do nothing to prevent one to "KEEP AND BEAR" arms, but regulate the SALE and PURCHASE.

The anti-abortion folks try to pass laws as to who can perform an abortion. Only an OBGYN tied to a Hospital.
OK, only a federally licensed dealer can SELL weapons.

The anti-abortion right is on to something here ... ignore Roe V Wade ... attack ACCESS AND AVAILABILITY of Abortion.

Gun control advocates can learn from that approach ... sure, you can KEEP AND BEAR, but the 2nd amendment says NOTHING about the SALE AND PURCHASE.

So let's focus our efforts there. Regulation not of ownership, but of the sale and purchase.


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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:52 PM

18. :)

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