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Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:23 PM

"Like if you put a speed limit on highway-pretty soon they're going to take your car away from you"

Like if you put a speed limit on a highway, pretty soon they're going to take your car away from you. -- David Corn of Mother Jones on the NRA's "slippery slope" argument
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Reply "Like if you put a speed limit on highway-pretty soon they're going to take your car away from you" (Original post)
kpete Feb 2013 OP
liberal N proud Feb 2013 #1
PLARS1999 Feb 2013 #2
PA Democrat Feb 2013 #7
A HERETIC I AM Feb 2013 #17
Sheepshank Feb 2013 #3
freshwest Feb 2013 #4
Wait Wut Feb 2013 #13
freshwest Feb 2013 #15
Wait Wut Feb 2013 #16
freshwest Feb 2013 #19
SunSeeker Feb 2013 #5
patrice Feb 2013 #6
dkf Feb 2013 #8
Taitertots Feb 2013 #9
arthritisR_US Feb 2013 #10
krispos42 Feb 2013 #11
dkf Feb 2013 #12
smccarter Feb 2013 #14
TheKentuckian Feb 2013 #18
guardian Feb 2013 #20

Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:28 PM

1. NRA is for the paranoid

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:52 PM

2. Funny

On RT 78 next to my house they raised the limit from 55 to 65 and the number of accidents didn't change even though the church moms were all predicting blood and piss and ass flying about everywhere.

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Response to PLARS1999 (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:35 PM

7. Funny...

But I prefer data to anecdotes....

Deaths, Injuries Increase With Higher Speed Limits

Deaths and injuries on America's interstates have increased since the repeal of the federal 55-mile-per-hour speed limit in 1995, a new study finds, and some believe it's time to slow down again.

Researchers tracking fatalities attributed 12,545 deaths and 36,582 injuries in fatal crashes to higher speed limits implemented during the 1995-2005 study period.

"Our study clearly shows that policy can directly result in more deaths as well as reducing deaths on our country's roads," said lead researcher Lee S. Friedman of the division of environmental and occupational health sciences in the School of Public Health at the University of Illinois, Chicago.

Their results show that seemingly harmless policy decisions can have long-term repercussions, the researchers said. They called for implementation of a national speed management policy that would include a maximum speed of 55 mph and development of camera networks to curb speeding.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/articles/2009/07/16/deaths-injuries-increase-with-higher-speed-limits

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Response to PA Democrat (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:11 PM

17. Inherently flawed study

During the same time period, decent driver education programs have all but disappeared.

What we need in the US is a driver education system similar to those of Germany and England, where getting a drivers license is tantamount to getting a private pilots license in this country.

The real reason accidents increase is because Americans, by and large are utterly clueless as to how to properly use a high speed, limited access highway.

It's called "Lane Discipline" and Americans sorely lack it.

It isn't the speed itself that causes accidents.

It's the Disparity in speeds between vehicles.

This is 36+ years of operating motor vehicles talking, 23 of those in heavy, commercial tractor trailers.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:15 PM

3. I've had the same thoughts myself....

I would really like to hear from LaPierre where the 2nd Amendment/total gun ban slippery slope starts?

I had stated a thread with this same wondering. Can OC be safely done at a bank?, how about brandishing the weapon in a preschool or day care?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:24 PM

4. Just more libertarian buffoonery. No regulations, now and forever.

Too bad the Founders put that terrible word in the Constitution so many times. What were they thinking?



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/22/931076/-Jefferson-Madison-Hamilton-160-Left-wing-Radicals


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Response to freshwest (Reply #4)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:53 PM

13. Wow. You just reminded me of something I saw this morning.

Almost that exact same pic with "Founding Right Wing Extremists" above it.

I almost ran off the road. They really are very, very delusional...and uneducated. Same truck had "American Infidel" sticker, NRA sticker, and a bunch of others I can't remember.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:01 PM

15. Sounds like a precursor to a train wreck there.. Uh, car wreck...

I try to stay a few car lengths behind such folks to avoid several things. Like getting the evil eye, watching where they turn off and the traffic accident they'll cause. Just like hanging back when a suspected drunk is ahead of you on the road. Since patience and caution are advisable with both groups. Same mentality, probably.

P. S. Was there a gun rack in the back window if it was a truck? I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but it used to be pretty a standard in some areas with NRA and America Love It Or Leave It stickers.

Although these hyper partisan wingnuts are not as laid back as those guys were, they didn't feel the need to show every thought that blipped through their skull from talk radio on their vehicles. Just leave them alone and they'd do the same. In my experience, anyway.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 06:10 PM

16. I see it every single day in AZ.

I had just never seen that particular sticker before. It blew my friggin' mind. I haven't met a Republican, yet, that thought the Founders were RW extremists. That guy has got to be waaaaaaayyyyy out there.

I didn't notice a gun rack because I was too intrigued by the HAM radio antenna.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #16)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:28 PM

19. Oh, the anti-Founding Fathers thing comes from them being anti-colonialists.

You know, like Obama's daddy was an anti-colonialist. That meme was kicked around for a while.

It appears you have crossed paths with a rare specimen of RW wackjobbery. Get your vomit bag ready for a sanitized tour of this cult's belief system :

They say the Founding Fathers practiced Satanism and the founding of the USA was a royalist plot. We were never free from England, or if so, they say the USA ceased to exist after the Civil War. It's now incorporated, not a country! Check that fringe on the flag. We are undone!

They'll tell you about a secret meeting on Jekyll Island by the nefarious millionaires, or banksters who created the IRS and Federal Reserve. They were in league with a gang who sank the Titanic to kill an American milllionaire who sought to foil their plot.

All of the banksters come from an ancient line in Europe that got rich from having insider information to make a killing on the London stock exchange with a false report on the outcome of the Battle of Waterloo. And now all of your hard earned income tax money goes to the Queen of England!

That's a small sample of that world view they believe in. Toss in a few historical references and they are soooo smart and everyone else is soooo dumb!

The HAM antenna is because they must have alternative means of communication with other patriots, when they are on the run from the evil Obama. They've got a whole 'nother world they live in.

Makes me feel like I'm at a party gone terribly, horribly wrong.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:23 PM

5. K&R

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:24 PM

6. And in re Concealed Carry: If there were "cloaking devices" for cars, that would be just fine. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:36 PM

8. What if they banned your car because it can go faster than 55 mph?

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:38 PM

9. It is only a slippery slope argument when people don't advocate going down the slope.

There are groups that want to draconian gun control. People who own firearms would be stupid to think they could pacify people who want a total ban by giving them a partial ban.

The argument simply doesn't make sense because the vast majority of the people who advocate speed limits don't advocate car bans.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:40 PM

10. Yep, and the next thing you know they'll be

removing all the stop signs and traffic lights

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:41 PM

11. The better analogy would be that...

...having decided that any deaths from an automobile are unacceptable, vehicle-control forces decided to mechanically limit all cars to 20mph, 20 horsepower and 2 gallons of gasoline, allow ownership of cars on a need-tested basis, and do a background check on all people trying to buy a car.


But they let some popular cars continue to be sold, as long as they don't have "fast-looking" cosmetic attachments.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #11)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:42 PM

12. No spoilers!

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 05:55 PM

14. This analogy is a bit off base.

The 2nd amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. There is nothing in the constitution that guarantees our right to drive a motor vehicle on public (or private) roads.

Having said that... and while I support the 2nd amendment - as it is written. Americans do have the right to own firearms, but the "well regulated" statement should come to bear at some point. You have the right to own a firearm, but the government (us) has the right to regulate that ownership. Whether it be the type(s) of weapon, the number of weapons, the type of ammunition, whatever... or the determination as to whether you are responsible enough to own a weapon. And that is a huge responsibility. We need to get some sense about this issue. It IS a constitutional right.. no doubt about it. But... and it's a very big but... it NEEDS to be regulated.

The neighbor to my right is a weapons expert in the Navy. He is well trained and at one point was a trainer. Anyone with that background should be allowed to own an AR-15, or any other weapon he's been checked out on. The neighbor to my left is a radical, angry, ill-tempered redneck with very little sense about him. I'm not sure if I'd agree that he needs to be allowed to own an AR-15. Of course... the neighbor to my right does own a weapon and would definitely know how to use it if my neighbor to the left decided to get blitzed and start shoot'n an'a gett'n rowdy an stuff. (I live in Milton, FL - the arm pit of Alabama).

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:05 PM

18. If there were actual legislative proposals to ban cars in general use then I'd say

concern about taking them away wouldn't be to far down the slope even if the traction is pretty good.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Feb 1, 2013, 07:53 PM

20. The difference is

 

that people talking about speed limits never talked about banning cars or confiscating cars. Many of those advocating gun controls DO talk about banning guns and gun confiscation.

Also, I don't remember people talking about speed limits endlessly insulting and demeaning car owners.

I hope all the antigunners enjoy the fact that their actions put 10 million more guns on the streets in the last two months.

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